Whats happening with trumps wall....not heard much.

[Beso]

post away

[Crimson Dynamo]

There are eight prototypes bidding to become the model for President Donald Trump's proposed border wall - so still in tender as is normal for such a big project

MAGA

[Withano]

Of course not! It would cost the tax payers 70 billion dollars.

Also, people have been buying the land on the border for lols, just to make it physically impossible.

It was something Trump said to impress the idiots, he wasn’t ever gonna do it.

[Beso]

There are eight prototypes bidding to become the model for President Donald Trump's proposed border wall - so still in tender as is normal for such a big project

MAGA

Cheese n toast.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Do you know if any eu companies/countries can bid on it.

I would sincerely doubt it.

[Beso]

Of course not! It would cost the tax payers 70 billion dollars.

Also, people have been buying the land on the border for lols, just to make it physically impossible.

It was something Trump said to impress the idiots, he wasn’t ever gonna do it.

What do you mean by "impress the idiots"

Do you mean its such a bad idea that only idiots would support it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

A Customs and Border Protection spokesperson said the testing phase has concluded and the department is now evaluating which wall -- or parts of various walls -- it will use.

source: CNN

[Withano]

What do you mean by "impress the idiots"

Do you mean its such a bad idea that only idiots would support it?

Not everyone who wants the wall is an idiot, but all idiots want the wall.

[Beso]

A Customs and Border Protection spokesperson said the testing phase has concluded and the department is now evaluating which wall -- or parts of various walls -- it will use.

source: CNN

So only an idiot would believe its not going to happen?

[Crimson Dynamo]

What do you mean by "impress the idiots"

Do you mean its such a bad idea that only idiots would support it?

Its a tired but popular tactic to call people who dont share your views idiots

you know because you cant be one if you dont share their views

[Withano]

...i mean, also a 70 billion dollar wall that will serve zero purpose (because it isn’t a magic wall) is idiotic.

[arista]

Not heard much.


It has not started yet,
but why the FECK has the Democrats
Not got a new leader???????????????????????????

[Crimson Dynamo]

It has not started yet,
but why the FECK has the Democrats
Not got a new leader???????????????????????????

Too scared to go up against an increasingly popular pres

[arista]

At this time in USA
Its all about illegal immigrants
have their kids taken away from them,

Trump says criminals are using kids to get into USA,

I amazed Maru does not have a thread on this.


Ref: CNN HD Live
and FoxNewsHD Live (online only for UK , at this time)

[arista]

Too scared to go up against an increasingly popular pres



Yes but someone
Must be a Leader before the next Election
its Pathetic out there

[Beso]

...i mean, also a 70 billion dollar wall that will serve zero purpose (because it isn’t a magic wall) is idiotic.

Isnt it to stop the illigal smuggling of drugs and illigal entry of humans....sounds like a good enough purpose to me.

[Withano]

Isnt it to stop the illigal smuggling of drugs and illigal entry of humans....sounds like a good enough purpose to me.

It would be if it was a magic wall that would genuinely stop these things from happening.

[Crimson Dynamo]

http://uk.businessinsider.com/trump-border-wall-construction-photos-new-mexico-2018-4/#though-reporters-on-monday-questioned-whether-the-bollard-wall-was-the-one-trump-had-envisioned-hull-said-it-was-accurately-described-as-a-wall-because-its-a-very-serious-structure-6

http://static5.uk.businessinsider.com/image/5acd29d17708e95b1d15c5be-1200/hull-said-the-wall-would-be-18-feet-including-a-5-foot-anti-climbing-plate-at-the-top-he-added-that-it-would-consist-of-concrete-filled-with-rebar-it-delves-6-feet-into-the-ground-with-an-additional-2-feet-of-concrete-positioned-below.jpghttp://static2.uk.businessinsider.com/image/5acd29d27708e95b1d15c5bf-1200/its-very-much-a-wall-hull-told-one-reporter-and-were-going-to-use-it-to-stop-illegal-entries.jpg

[Beso]

It would be if it was a magic wall that would genuinely stop these things from happening.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dezeen.com/2017/04/25/turkey-completes-first-phase-900-kilometre-wall-syrian-border/amp/



Like this one paid for by the eu.:joker:

[Withano]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.dezeen.com/2017/04/25/turkey-completes-first-phase-900-kilometre-wall-syrian-border/amp/



Like this one paid for by the eu.:joker:

You seem to hopping the fence now (lols) because it seems like you’re implying that turksh wall was a bad idea (it is) but the usa wall is excellent (its not). Pick a side parm.

[Beso]

You seem to hopping the fence now (lols) because it seems like you’re implying that turksh wall was a bad idea (it is) but the usa wall is excellent (its not). Pick a side parm.

Youve answered my question...both walls are a bad idea....


Especially to terrorist sympathisers.

[Withano]

Youve answered my question...both walls are a bad idea....


Especially to terrorist sympathisers.

Keep me updated on your magic wall though. They sound great.

[The Slim Reaper]

Funny you should ask, because currently, trump and his government is in the business of separating the children from the parents of anyone entering the USA in search of asylum/attempted illegal immigration. These children are locked away in cages, ad these are children as young as a few months old being locked up with other children who are having to provide care.

Trump is using these children as bargaining chips to try and get the democrats to go along with his wall. These are appalling fascists, and there is no low they won't stoop to to get their own way, regardless of the needs of the country.

Reason number 1 why the wall is unworkable is the fact that the all the land that would need to be built on is not currently owned by the US government, and anyone who's supported a football team looking to buy houses around the ground knows these are complicated negotiations that lat years.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Funny you should ask, because currently, trump and his government is in the business of separating the children from the parents of anyone entering the USA in search of asylum/attempted illegal immigration. These children are locked away in cages, ad these are children as young as a few months old being locked up with other children who are having to provide care.

Trump is using these children as bargaining chips to try and get the democrats to go along with his wall. These are appalling fascists, and there is no low they won't stoop to to get their own way, regardless of the needs of the country.

Reason number 1 why the wall is unworkable is the fact that the all the land that would need to be built on is not currently owned by the US government, and anyone who's supported a football team looking to buy houses around the ground knows these are complicated negotiations that lat years.


well it sure sounds like you are looking at this from a balanced perspective...

:umm2:

[Beso]

Keep me updated on your magic wall though. They sound great.

Its not a magic wall...what a bloody childish thing to try and ridicule peoples opinions with...magic wall geez.


What would be withanos suggestion to stop the flood of illigal drugs and people both in usa and turkey?

[The Slim Reaper]

well it sure sounds like you are looking at this from a balanced perspective...

:umm2:

There's not a lot of balance to holding children hostage, but whatever works for you, I guess...

[The Slim Reaper]

Its not a magic wall...what a bloody childish thing to try and ridicule peoples opinions with...magic wall geez.


What would be withanos suggestion to stop the flood of illigal drugs and people both in usa and turkey?

You do know that immigration in the US is a net negative? That means there are more immigrants leaving than arriving, as has been the case for quite a few years now.

[Withano]

Its not a magic wall...what a bloody childish thing to try and ridicule peoples opinions with...magic wall geez.


What would be withanos suggestion to stop the flood of illigal drugs and people both in usa and turkey?

Do you believe a wall would stop someone from crossing a border haha. Idk why we’re having this discussion. Its 70billion dollars wasted.

Tougher penalties and more regular checks by a wider variety of people would make more sense than a wall.

A 70 billion dollar, muggle wall.

[Withano]

God I’m so sick of living in mexico

Lets go america

Cant, theres a wall

Oh ****

Yeh its literally impossible now

[Oliver_W]

At this time in USA
Its all about illegal immigrants
have their kids taken away from them,

I guess the alternatives to separating families are either releasing foreign criminals, or keeping children in the same facilities as adult criminals, neither of which are too appealing. Some kind of border control would be the best option, to stop the problems reaching that point.

[arista]

I guess the alternatives to separating families are either releasing foreign criminals, or keeping children in the same facilities as adult criminals, neither of which are too appealing. Some kind of border control would be the best option, to stop the problems reaching that point.


Trump will stop it
Once the Democrats agree to fund his wall.

Its a big Tangle.

[Alf]

If Mexico wasn't run by drug cartels and corrupt leaders, then they wouldn't want to leave.

Why don't the Mexican people build an army and take their country back? Why should it be the people of the US problem, because the Mexicans can't get their own house in order?

[arista]

If Mexico wasn't run by drug cartels and corrupt leaders, then they wouldn't want to leave.

Why don't the Mexican people build an army and take their country back? Why should it be the people of the US problem, because the Mexicans can't get their own house in order?


Alf
at this time the Mexican Army
is having Shoot outs with fully armed Drug Gangs
They even get help from the FBI, at times.

[Beso]

You do know that immigration in the US is a net negative? That means there are more immigrants leaving than arriving, as has been the case for quite a few years now.

But do they include the ones sneeking in?

No, hence the need for the wall.

[Beso]

Do you believe a wall would stop someone from crossing a border haha. Idk why we’re having this discussion. Its 70billion dollars wasted.

Tougher penalties and more regular checks by a wider variety of people would make more sense than a wall.

A 70 billion dollar, muggle wall.

Ahll those checks by a wide variety of people for a border that big in legnth would obviously be done by voulanteers in your world....in mine it would mean an awful lot of people needing employed, trained..stationed year after year after year....i wonder how much that would eventually cost.

[GiRTh]

The wall will never be built. 70 billion is a bit steep but it will cost at least 30-40 minimum.

[GiRTh]

well it sure sounds like you are looking at this from a balanced perspective...

:umm2:Are you following it LT? Been on about it on cable news for a about a week and the White house press secretary has actually called it biblical to execute this policy. There arent really two sides to this issue. Children are being separated from their families for Donnies political gain.

[Scarlett.]

well it sure sounds like you are looking at this from a balanced perspective...

:umm2:

So I imagine this is just fake news?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df_a3dBWkAA-gKZ.jpg:small

[arista]

So I imagine this is just fake news?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df_a3dBWkAA-gKZ.jpg:small


No it is real .
reported on CNN HD/FoxNewsHD/UK Radio 4
and Ch4HD News.

[Beso]

That guard needs to turn round cause theres 3 sneeking out.

[Withano]

Ahll those checks by a wide variety of people for a border that big in legnth would obviously be done by voulanteers in your world....in mine it would mean an awful lot of people needing employed, trained..stationed year after year after year....i wonder how much that would eventually cost.

So, zero staff at your wall... sounding a bit like a magic wall again.

[Beso]

So, zero staff at your wall... sounding a bit like a magic wall again.

Hell no, armed guards every 10 meters.

You're the only one bothered about costing.:shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

Hell no, armed guards every 10 meters.

You're the only one bothered about costing.:shrug:

The republicans have just put a stop to the chip programme which specifically helps poor and disabled children get healthcare, and they've also ended the provision in Obamacare which stopped insurance companies hiking up prices, or just flat out refusing to offer a policy to a person with a pre-existing condition.

As a citizen of any country, where would your funding priorities lie?

[GiRTh]

Hell no, armed guards every 10 meters.

You're the only one bothered about costing.:shrug:Who's going to provide this security - The Mexicans? So is the US to pull resources from other law enforcement departments to patrol Donnies wall when it has already been stated that net immigration is down in the US? And something tells me - dont know if you'll agree - this wall will be a target for vandalism.

[Beso]

The republicans have just put a stop to the chip programme which specifically helps poor and disabled children get healthcare, and they've also ended the provision in Obamacare which stopped insurance companies hiking up prices, or just flat out refusing to offer a policy to a person with a pre-existing condition.

As a citizen of any country, where would your funding priorities lie?

With both...and as a leader i am fully expecting trump to better any crap that suspected paedophile on some conspiracy theorists websites,obama could come up with.

[Beso]

Who's going to provide this security - The Mexicans? So is the US to pull resources from other law enforcement departments to patrol Donnies wall when it has already been stated that net immigration is down in the US? And something tells me - dont know if you'll agree - this wall will be a target for vandalism.



:shrug:

You lost me mate.:shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

With both...and as a leader i am fully expecting trump to better any crap that suspected paedophile on some conspiracy theorists websites,obama could come up with.

Do you think Obama is a pedophile? You do know that he wanted a more progressive single-payer healthcare plan, but he pandered to the right to try and make it bipartisan by actually using what was Bob Dole's old healthcare proposal.

Here's the kicker for you, all of Trumps healthcare proposals have all been scored (by the independent, bipartisan CBO) as kicking tens of millions off healthcare coverage and raising costs. Obamacare was supposed to be the first step towards providing healthcare at a reasonable cost (obama even said it needed to be improved). Before Obamacare, the biggest reason for bankruptcies in the US was healthcare costs.

[GiRTh]

:shrug:

You lost me mate.:shrug:Ok then we leave it there. :thumbs: I think the point I make is quite easy to understand but if you are struggling then. :shrug:

[Withano]

Hell no, armed guards every 10 meters.

You're the only one bothered about costing.:shrug:

:joker: thats the most stupid idea ever.

[GiRTh]

Yes, we are experiencing a net outflow of illegal, undocumented workers from America back to Mexico (http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2017/apr/26/ron-kind/yes-experiencing-net-outflow-illegal-undocumented-/)

[Beso]

Ok then we leave it there. :thumbs: I think the point I make is quite easy to understand but if you are struggling then. :shrug:

Oh ok lets discuss vandalism to the wall.

[Beso]

Yes, we are experiencing a net outflow of illegal, undocumented workers from America back to Mexico (http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2017/apr/26/ron-kind/yes-experiencing-net-outflow-illegal-undocumented-/)

Politifact.....must be true.


How bloody stupid to believe anything.

We are stuck with what we got, i prefer my own mind to make up whats going on in the world.

[GiRTh]

Oh ok lets discuss vandalism to the wall.We don't have to discuss it, I was stating an opinion. Do you disagree with said opinion then thats OK but I think whatever can be smashed up will be smashed up on a regular basis; I see the wall becoming quite symbolic to both sides but if you disagree that is OK.

So who's providing this astonishing level of security and do you think resources should be pulled from other departments when as has been stated twice Mexicans are going back not coming to America

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes, we are experiencing a net outflow of illegal, undocumented workers from America back to Mexico (http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2017/apr/26/ron-kind/yes-experiencing-net-outflow-illegal-undocumented-/)

You can post as many truisms and facts as you like, but if trump says something different, then that becomes their truth. Really weird to see guys on this island have such a crush on him though.

[The Slim Reaper]

You can post as many truisms and facts as you like, but if trump says something different, then that becomes their truth. Really weird to see guys on this island have such a crush on him though.

And as if by magic...

Politifact.....must be true.


How bloody stupid to believe anything.

We are stuck with what we got, i prefer my own mind to make up whats going on in the world.

[Beso]

Do you think Obama is a pedophile? You do know that he wanted a more progressive single-payer healthcare plan, but he pandered to the right to try and make it bipartisan by actually using what was Bob Dole's old healthcare proposal.

Here's the kicker for you, all of Trumps healthcare proposals have all been scored (by the independent, bipartisan CBO) as kicking tens of millions off healthcare coverage and raising costs. Obamacare was supposed to be the first step towards providing healthcare at a reasonable cost (obama even said it needed to be improved). Before Obamacare, the biggest reason for bankruptcies in the US was healthcare costs.

So why dont you just wait and see what trump comes up with:shrug:

[Beso]

And as if by magic...

I would give you that if i believed or cared what trump thinks or does....I dont.

[GiRTh]

Politifact.....must be true.


How bloody stupid to believe anything.

We are stuck with what we got, i prefer my own mind to make up whats going on in the world.Again, we have to leave it there is you feel that way. Shame cuz you started this thread but it looks like you dont really have much to say. :shrug:

[Beso]

Again, we have to leave it there is you feel that way. Shame cuz you started this thread but it looks like you dont really have much to say. :shrug:


If you look at the original thread you will see i just wondered what was happening with the wall....i got my answer early on....

The rests just a few opinionated chaps snarling at me from afar....

[The Slim Reaper]

So why dont you just wait and see what trump comes up with:shrug:

He's already come up with 2 plans. On the back of republicans shouting "repeal and replace" for the last 7 years of Obama's presidency. I guess maybe you want him to have another 20 years at it, whilst kids and the poor are kicked off healthcare. The truth is he has no idea what he's doing, and the people he has brought in have no interest in providing care to all citizens.

[GiRTh]

If you look at the original thread you will see i just wondered what was happening with the wall....i got my answer early on....

The rests just a few opinionated chaps snarling at me from afar....I can see at least three people in this thread who are agreeing with you, so not sure who you are saying with 'opinionated chaps snarling' at you? :shrug:

[Beso]

I can see at least three people in this thread who are agreeing with you, so not sure who you are saying with 'opinionated chaps snarling' at you? :shrug:


Agreeing with me with what?


Those opinionated chaps gave me the answer to the question i asked...im, err not sure what your issue is girth?

[Tom4784]

Trump's dehumanisation of immigrants continues, and now that extends to kids too! Yay!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44518942

But who cares right? They're only immigrants, they aren't real people!

Trump is a **** of the highest order, He has rallied people through their hatred and through misleading the gullible into putting him into power and now he's engaging in what is holding children hostage to get his way. He's a monster and he'll continue to do **** like this because his supporters refuse to see reality. The world is in a poor state when so many people will reject facts because they prefer the fiction.

The wall is a stupid idea that Trump only wants to build because he thinks it'll be a lasting monument to him. It's not worth the billions it'll cost when people on the poverty line in the US have to work 2 or 3 jobs just to keep affloat. The wall's only purpose is to serve Trump's ego and like a fluffer on a porn film set, people are far too quick to oblige him.

[GiRTh]

Agreeing with me with what?


Those opinionated chaps gave me the answer to the question i asked...im, err not sure what your issue is girth?I have no issue, this is supposed to be a serious debate that you started? Do you think its that?

[Beso]

He's already come up with 2 plans. On the back of republicans shouting "repeal and replace" for the last 7 years of Obama's presidency. I guess maybe you want him to have another 20 years at it, whilst kids and the poor are kicked off healthcare. The truth is he has no idea what he's doing, and the people he has brought in have no interest in providing care to all citizens.

Only in america, huh.:joker:

[Beso]

I have no issue, this is supposed to be a serious debate that you started? Do you think its that?

A what..i was asking for a news update, not a debate fgs....its been debated time and time again..why go round and round again...feel free to debate in the thread though but im never going to waste my mobile data on debating some american crap.

[GiRTh]

Shame cuz it could have been a serious debate but the Op doesn't seem to want one. Third time in this thread that I have to say, we must leave it there. No more replies from me in this thread. :thumbs:

[Beso]

Shame cuz it could have been a serious debate but the Op doesn't seem to want one. Third time in this thread that I have to say, we must leave it there. No more replies from me in this thread. :thumbs:

Ive offered the thread to others to debate in....shame you arent willing to debate with willing debators.::shrug:

[Beso]

But if you want to debate why people dont debate certain debatable topics then i will start a thread and debate in it.

[GiRTh]

Ok one more post.Ive offered the thread to others to debate in....shame you arent willing to debate with willing debators.::shrug:
Have to disagree Parmy.


Hell no, armed guards every 10 meters.

You're the only one bothered about costing.:shrug:
Sorry but it was this post that started the 'debate' and it came from you. Three replies to this so unless you meant this comment as a joke then you were also quite happy to debate. What changed your mind?

[Beso]

An obvious throw away remark after withano took the thread into never never land with his magic wall comment.

[Withano]

An obvious throw away remark after withano took the thread into never never land with his magic wall comment.

Youre the one giving magical abilities to a physical object :suspect:

[Beso]

Youre the one giving magical abilities to a physical object :suspect:

Time will decide that, not you:nono:

[Withano]

Time will decide, that not you:nono:

Time will decide what haha? Whether the wall is magic? I honestly have no idea where we’re at in this discussion.

The wall is meanigless without the staff.., the wall would also be meaningless with staff. It’s a waste of money.

[Beso]

Time will decide what haha? Whether the wall is magic? I honestly have no idea where we’re at in this discussion.

The wall is meanigless without the staff.., the wall would also be meaningless with staff. It’s a waste of money.

Is it a magical staff?

[Withano]

Is it a magical staff?

Would depend on if its happening in or outside of your head I’d imagine.

[Beso]

Would depend on if its happening in or outside of your head I’d imagine.

Stop pretending you didnt mention magic walls first.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://m0.joe.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/30155302/vIS2wALLL.gif

If the Mexicans get a dragon, then not even magic walls can keep them out.

[Beso]

https://goo.gl/images/Ded7vz

[Oliver_W]

Time will decide what haha? Whether the wall is magic? I honestly have no idea where we’re at in this discussion.

The wall is meanigless without the staff.., the wall would also be meaningless with staff. It’s a waste of money.

did you know - physical barriers make it harder to get to places?

[user104658]

No it won't be built because it is a showman's idea that in practical terms is utterly ****ing ludicrous no matter how hard people try to pretend that it isn't. Sure it might make it a little harder. For some people. Maybe it would cut illegal immigration from Mexico by a few percent. Not by any significant margin. And that's if it even was feasible to build and staff a 2000 mile long wall (which, by the way, if there was just one guard every 100m would need a constant staff of over 31,000... So a total staff of well over 100,000). Which it is not.

It would be a colossal waste of time, money and resources for very little payoff. It was a catchy soundbite to win over some simple-minded voters and it worked. There's no reason for him to actually do it.

[user104658]

I actually don't think he ever was serious about it. He said it as a throwaway comment thinking that everyone would get that it was hyperbole, then he realised that certain people were loving the idea and was like "lol... Yeah sure it's a real wall! Why not!". I also don't think at the time when he was spouting that rhetoric he ever actually believed he would win. By the time it became a realistic possibility that he would become the POTUS, that wall-promise was a huge aspect of his voters loyalty. He just hasn't found a way to break it to them yet that it was never going to happen.

He'll probably let people continue buying up the land to "block" the imaginary wall, and then he'll be like "O NO its emposserble now becuzza the damn lefty liberals buying the land!"

[bots]

Contrary to the popular view, i think Trump is very serious about his wall and given the opportunity will carry it out.

For those that are not aware, Trump has created a new branch of the armed services called "Space Force" So that the USA has domination in space .... and for those that think it's a joke ... think again

"It is not enough to merely have an American presence in space. We must have American dominance in space," Mr Trump said at the White House.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44527672

[Crimson Dynamo]

:clap1:

King of Space

[user104658]

Contrary to the popular view, i think Trump is very serious about his wall and given the opportunity will carry it out.

For those that are not aware, Trump has created a new branch of the armed services called "Space Force" So that the USA has domination in space .... and for those that think it's a joke ... think again

"It is not enough to merely have an American presence in space. We must have American dominance in space," Mr Trump said at the White House.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44527672

If it was feasible he would carry it out. It is not feasible. Let alone sensible.

[Beso]

No it won't be built because it is a showman's idea that in practical terms is utterly ****ing ludicrous no matter how hard people try to pretend that it isn't. Sure it might make it a little harder. For some people. Maybe it would cut illegal immigration from Mexico by a few percent. Not by any significant margin. And that's if it even was feasible to build and staff a 2000 mile long wall (which, by the way, if there was just one guard every 100m would need a constant staff of over 31,000... So a total staff of well over 100,000). Which it is not.

It would be a colossal waste of time, money and resources for very little payoff. It was a catchy soundbite to win over some simple-minded voters and it worked. There's no reason for him to actually do it.

Well the eu is nearly finished the one runnining along the turkish border.

[user104658]

Well the eu is nearly finished the one runnining along the turkish border.

There's quite a large difference between 475 miles (the length of that wall) and 2000 miles.

[Beso]

There's quite a large difference between 475 miles (the length of that wall) and 2000 miles.

Size isnt important really...both walls are needed....both will be built. Its only 4 times the legnth anyway...america probably has 4 times the wealth of the eu.


Racist yanks voted in trump because of the wall and racist remainers voted to stay in the eu cause of this turkish wall....

[Livia]

The Berlin Wall was torn down in the end. The same will happen with Trump's wall if it ever gets built, which I doubt because I would be surprised if he makes it to the end of his first term, let alone into a second term.

[bots]

The point I was making earlier is that Trump has decided to create a space force .... and he will do it, so given that mankind has been building walls for centuries, what on earth makes you think he wont build a wall? If he wants a wall, he will have one.

[Livia]

The point I was making earlier is that Trump has decided to create a space force .... and he will do it, so given that mankind has been building walls for centuries, what on earth makes you think he wont build a wall? If he wants a wall, he will have one.

If he has time before he goes...

[Livia]

I am amused at his Space Force idea. Making the galaxy great again.

[Niamh.]

I am amused at his Space Force idea. Making the galaxy great again.

Oh god, what's that about?

[bots]

If he has time before he goes...

yes, things are certainly coming to a head. Unfortunately, it's got the potential to turn very ugly

[bots]

Oh god, what's that about?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44527672 :joker:

[Niamh.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44527672 :joker:

:facepalm:

[The Slim Reaper]

This dickhed has probably seen guardians of the galaxy and is worried about space racoons.

[Livia]

https://i.imgur.com/xD0UwHI.jpg

[Niamh.]

https://i.imgur.com/xD0UwHI.jpg

:laugh2:

[Beso]

Kirk ts and withano....

[user104658]

Kirk ts and withano....LT is Scotty.

[Tom4784]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44531187

The latest developments from the Trump Administration's endorsed child abuse.

Yaas Trump! Victimise children and hold them hostage so that Congress finally gives you your wall!

[arista]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44531187

The latest developments from the Trump Administration's endorsed child abuse.

Yaas Trump! Victimise children and hold them hostage so that Congress finally gives you your wall!

Thats the plan.

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/VeTYwSFRLorvj78MNEleOw/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/O8whVGhlQhCKACuyhQjI_metro.JPG

[Beso]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44531187

The latest developments from the Trump Administration's endorsed child abuse.

Yaas Trump! Victimise children and hold them hostage so that Congress finally gives you your wall!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44503514


Says in there its a democratic law they ae forced to use.

[user104658]

Anyone who doesn't see the terrifying parallels between the current situation in the US and other events throughout history is surely either willfully blinkered... or actually closet agrees with those events. Pretty much that simple.

At the very least we're getting a good insight into how these "unthinkable" events come to pass. When it comes right down to it... people just don't really give a **** until it's far too late.

[arista]

Anyone who doesn't see the terrifying parallels between the current situation in the US and other events throughout history is surely either willfully blinkered... or actually closet agrees with those events. Pretty much that simple.

At the very least we're getting a good insight into how these "unthinkable" events come to pass. When it comes right down to it... people just don't really give a **** until it's far too late.


Sure TS.
but these kids are safe
in that old Walmart Store.
They are away from their Parents
who broke into to USA.
The Parents are the illegals.


I did a thread on Poland
they do not take any Muslims,
I added the Video from Ch4HD news.
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=342433



Look at Italy
now not taking any Illegals from boats.
Italy under a new power, of course.

[bots]

Anyone who doesn't see the terrifying parallels between the current situation in the US and other events throughout history is surely either willfully blinkered... or actually closet agrees with those events. Pretty much that simple.

At the very least we're getting a good insight into how these "unthinkable" events come to pass. When it comes right down to it... people just don't really give a **** until it's far too late.

I agree. There is a strategy being played out in America right now that is not healthy. It's also interesting that the USA's democracy has been recently downgraded and is no longer top tier. These are worrying times.

USA Downgraded from a full democracy to a flawed democracy

http://fortune.com/2017/01/25/us-democracy-downgrade/

[user104658]

Sure TS.
but these kids are safe
in that old Walmart Store.
They are away from their Parents
who broke into to USA.
The Parents are the illegals.


I did a thread on Poland
they do not take any Muslims,
I added the Video from Ch4HD news.
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=342433


Look at Italy
now not taking any Illegals from boats.
Italy under a new power, of course.

They're physically "safe"... a large number of them will be permanently psychologically damaged with anxiety and separation disorders. Especially the younger ones.

[arista]

They're physically "safe"... a large number of them will be permanently psychologically damaged with anxiety and separation disorders. Especially the younger ones.


Yes TS
that's the way the Dice are Rolling
Trump is the President, he himself has said its Horrible
he seems to stay solid in this, at this time,
but its a USA "Local" Elections in Nov
and some now.
So it can change soon.

[Northern Monkey]

I agree with Americas right to build a wall to protect their borders.
However this that he’s doing now is quite chilling to see.Kids locked behind fences prison style crying to go home.
Something they’ll never forget.
There has to be a way to either turn the illegals back or prosecute them without splitting them from their kids.

[arista]

I agree with Americas right to build a wall to protect their borders.
However this that he’s doing now is quite chilling to see.Kids locked behind fences prison style crying to go home.
Something they’ll never forget.
There has to be a way to either turn the illegals back or prosecute them without splitting them from their kids.


Yes Trump wants that
but Democrats , do not.
Its up to them,

America is Split
just like Failed Corrupt H. Clinton Vs Trump Election
was.


It was Build The Wall.
on every clip of Trump , back then.

[Kizzy]

https://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdwfkrUomc1qa1tuko6_250.gif

[Livia]

How much longer? Hasn't he done enough damage now? The images and sound of those children on the news was heart-rending. How long till the USA gets some reality back?

[Beso]

Surely the parents must shoulder the majority of blame here..they knew the risks, but yet record numbers are trying to come through each month.

Do we feel as much sympathy for the common criminal whos kids are seperated from them when they get locked up.

All these tapes and recordings are designed to tug at the heartstrings like the photo if the kid on the beach.

[arista]

How much longer? Hasn't he done enough damage now? The images and sound of those children on the news was heart-rending. How long till the USA gets some reality back?



Its the Democrats stopping the Deal
sadly

[arista]

Surely the parents must shoulder the majority of blame here..they knew the risks, but yet record numbers are trying to come through each month.

Do we feel as much sympathy for the common criminal whos kids are seperated from them when they get locked up.

All these tapes and recordings are designed to tug at the heartstrings like the photo if the kid on the beach.

Yes they Broke into USA
Illegally,

Its against USA Border Laws

[arista]

_61hzuGGJX0

[Tom4784]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44503514


Says in there its a democratic law they ae forced to use.

And that's the line that Trump is using, it's bull**** though and it falls to pieces when you actually fact check it.

Trump could end this in an instant but it's a situation that he can use to his advantage. He does not think these people are human, he calls them an infestation and he is holding these kids hostage so that he can build his pointless wall and is trying to pin it on the democrats when it's HIS administration in control.

[Livia]

Surely the parents must shoulder the majority of blame here..they knew the risks, but yet record numbers are trying to come through each month.

Do we feel as much sympathy for the common criminal whos kids are seperated from them when they get locked up.

All these tapes and recordings are designed to tug at the heartstrings like the photo if the kid on the beach.

When criminals are arrested, their kids aren't usually locked into a cage with other kids who've been separated from their parents.

If they think it's worth going through to give their kids a better future, their lives must be pretty hard.

The USA is a nation of immigrants, ask the Native Americans. It says on the Statue of Liberty:

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Someone tell Trump this doesn't mean pulling crying babies from the arms of sobbing mothers.

[bots]

And that's the line that Trump is using, it's bull**** though and it falls to pieces when you actually fact check it.

Trump could end this in an instant but it's a situation that he can use to his advantage. He does not think these people are human, he calls them an infestation and he is holding these kids hostage so that he can build his pointless wall and is trying to pin it on the democrats when it's HIS administration in control.

i completely agree, he is holding disabled children in ****ing cages ... what kind of sad bastard would do that for political gain other than a completely loopy dictator. I'm seriously angry about it here, so I can only imagine what people in the USA are thinking

[Tom4784]

Anyone who doesn't see the terrifying parallels between the current situation in the US and other events throughout history is surely either willfully blinkered... or actually closet agrees with those events. Pretty much that simple.

At the very least we're getting a good insight into how these "unthinkable" events come to pass. When it comes right down to it... people just don't really give a **** until it's far too late.

The people that voted Trump into power did so with the full knowledge of who he was and all of his flaws and they ignored all of it because he told them what they wanted to hear and they preferred his fiction to the truth of reality.

They won't care about these kids because they're more invested in Trump's tales and false promises. Who needs facts when these people have their feelings? You don't need to be informed if you can screech fake news at anything you don't want to hear.

The world is ****ed and it's people's inaction and passiveness that's to blame.

[Livia]

i completely agree, he is holding disabled children in ****ing cages ... what kind of sad bastard would do that for political gain other than a completely loopy dictator. I'm seriously angry about it here, so I can only imagine what people in the USA are thinking

It's made people feel like that, Bots... angry. I feel the same.

[The Slim Reaper]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44503514


Says in there its a democratic law they ae forced to use.

No it doesn't, and if it did it would be a lie because this is a change in policy by the current administration.

[The Slim Reaper]

Its the Democrats stopping the Deal
sadly

What on earth are you talking about?

[bots]

It's made people feel like that, Bots... angry. I feel the same.

the latest coming in is that children are being moved from the southern border to NYC .... and they are all young girls .... wtf ... seriously

Here is a link

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2018/06/20/children-at-nyc-immigration-foster-care-center-

[Beso]

I wouldnt believe any of these pics...its already been proven that some are from 2014 during a protest against the democrats original policy.

[Northern Monkey]

i completely agree, he is holding disabled children in ****ing cages ... what kind of sad bastard would do that for political gain other than a completely loopy dictator. I'm seriously angry about it here, so I can only imagine what people in the USA are thinking

I can see mass protests and unrest if it carries on much longer.

[Tom4784]

I wouldnt believe any of these pics...its already been proven that some are from 2014 during a protest against the democrats original policy.

The pictures were released by the government themselves because they didn't allow reporters and other visitors to take their own pictures.

[Beso]

The pictures were released by the government themselves because they didn't allow reporters and other visitors to take their own pictures.

Not all of them.:nono:

[Tom4784]

I can see mass protests and unrest if it carries on much longer.

Trump can't be impeached fast enough, Mueller needs to get a move on. This presidency has made a mockery of the US and it's people and, like Laura Bush has said, this situation is far too reminiscent of internment camps in WW2. Under Trump, the US are repeating mistakes they should never repeat.

[The Slim Reaper]

The pictures were released by the government themselves because they didn't allow reporters and other visitors to take their own pictures.

The lengths people go to in order to justify/ignore/excuse these actions are pretty enlightening.

[Tom4784]

Not all of them.:nono:

Explain the logic of it to me because I don't see it. The government didn't allow for pictures to be taken so they release inflammatory pictures themselves that can easily be seen as fake? Why? Explain it to me.

You've either made this up or you've got it from a very unreliable source.

[Beso]

Explain the logic of it to me because I don't see it. The government didn't allow for pictures to be taken so they release inflammatory pictures themselves that can easily be seen as fake? Why? Explain it to me.

You've either made this up or you've got it from a very unreliable source.

People are using photos from 2014 to stoke up anger and hate...the photos were taken at a protest that involved kids behind cages...the protest was against the democrats immigration policies.....im sure ive said that earlier......I DO NOT MAKE STUFF UP.

[Tom4784]

People are using photos from 2014 to stoke up anger and hate...the photos were taken at a protest that involved kids behind cages...the protest was against the democrats immigration policies.....im sure ive said that earlier......I DO NOT MAKE STUFF UP.

Then why would the GOVERNMENT release those pictures saying that they are of their current facilities?

[Beso]

www.snopes.com/fact-check/toddler-cage-photo/

[bots]

People are using photos from 2014 to stoke up anger and hate...the photos were taken at a protest that involved kids behind cages...the protest was against the democrats immigration policies.....im sure ive said that earlier......I DO NOT MAKE STUFF UP.

They don't need to produce fake pictures to stoke up anger. The evidence is there, the statements from the administration are there.

[Beso]

Then why would the GOVERNMENT release those pictures saying that they are of their current facilities?

They aint..but it doesnt take much to fool a bleeding heart does it...just someone with an alterior motive and a way with words.

[Tom4784]

Ah, so you're moving the goalposts.

[Tom4784]

Fake news doesn't detract from what the government have released, the outrage has come from the statements and evidence provided by the government. You can't cite fake news to override that or downplay the issue.

[Beso]

Ah, so you're moving the goalposts.

What are you on about now...why have i moved goalposts...i stated clear enough originally that there are fake photos going around...only you can explain why you thought i was claiming they were gov pics when i said they are fake and not from 2018..just looking for anything these days are we?

[Beso]

Fake news doesn't detract from what the government have released, the outrage has come from the statements and evidence provided by the government. You can't cite fake news to override that or downplay the issue.



Most of the outrage is coming from people hearing and seeing crying children...some of which is fake...

[Tom4784]

Most of the outrage is coming from people hearing and seeing crying children...some of which is fake...

The audio isn't fake nor is the pictures released by the government of kids in cages.

As I said before, citing fake news to downplay government released photos and actual audio evidence of abuse will not work.

You can't focus on one inconsequential fake news story because it benefits your viewpoints while ignoring the majority of the story because it goes against what you want to be true.

[Beso]

But you can say kids in cages, when its kids in caged areas...

[Tom4784]

Oh forgive me, that makes it all okay then :rolleyes:

They are separating children from their parents and locking them up while you've got guards like the one in the audio mocking them for their tears. It is state sanctioned child abuse.

[Oliver_W]

Where are the pictures of kids in cages? All I can find are the pictures from protests.

[Beso]

Oh forgive me, that makes it all okay then :rolleyes:

They are separating children from their parents and locking them up while you've got guards like the one in the audio mocking them for their tears. It is state sanctioned child abuse.

Parents putting thier kids lives and well being at risk dont deserve to keep thier kids imo.

[Tom4784]

Oh look, it's not just 'older kids' that have been seperated from their families either.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5863407/Youngest-migrants-held-tender-age-shelters.html

Even got a Daily Mail source condemning it so you know it's ****ed when even the DM takes a stand against immigration measures.

[Tom4784]

Parents putting thier kids lives and well being at risk dont deserve to keep thier kids imo.

So you agree with the practice then, okay. Werk.

I don't need to say anything else, I just need to highlight this post.

Where are the pictures of kids in cages? All I can find are the pictures from protests.

Look for government pictures, there's plenty of images and plus the audio evidence is undeniable. There's no pretending this isn't happening or blaming anyone else but the government in charge.

[bots]

it's obscene

[Oliver_W]

Look for government pictures, there's plenty of images and plus the audio evidence is undeniable. There's no pretending this isn't happening or blaming anyone else but the government in charge.
I didn't deny it was happening. Where are the government pictures? I googled "government pictures children separated trump" and none of the articles showed anything like those from the protests?

[Beso]

Seems its been going on for over 10 years...
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/03/03/the-lost-children


Amazing what some unconfirmed pictures and audios can do to hl an issue thats over 10 years old.

[Oliver_W]

Seems its been going on for over 10 years...
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2008/03/03/the-lost-children


Amazing what some unconfirmed pictures and audios can do to hl an issue thats over 10 years old.

yeah but Trump is #LiterallyHitler and detaining people in (physical) safety who are trying to break into another country is exactly the same as rounding up citizens and placing them in death camps.

[Beso]

A lot of these people could be smuggling children...

[arista]

Yes Trump has Signed a new Deal
To connect the kids with parents 2PM USA time
still to come.


OK TS
all is good now

[arista]

A lot of these people could be smuggling children...


Yes some are.

[bots]

Yes Trump has Signed a new Deal
To connect the kids with parents 2PM USA time
still to come.


OK TS
all is good now

not really sure how putting them in military camps is all good.

[arista]

not really sure how putting them in military camps is all good.-


Silly you.
TS said the kids are Damaged
by being separated from their parents.

Now for Fecks sake all together
back in a new depot


cheer UP

[bots]

-


Silly you.
TS said the kids are Damaged
by being separated from their parents.

Now for Fecks sake all together
back in a new depot


cheer UP

kids in a military camp? Really? Sorry, i don't think thats "all good"

[Beso]

kids in a military camp? Really? Sorry, i don't think thats "all good"

They could always just send them back......alone.

[Oliver_W]

kids in a military camp? Really? Sorry, i don't think thats "all good"

What should happen to them, then? Should they be separated from their parents permanently and placed in the foster system, while their parents are held? Or should the foreign criminals all just be set loose?
I think they shouldn't reach the point where incarcerating them is "needed", they should either be stopped at the borders, or dropped off on the other side.

[arista]

TS you got your wish

https://news.sky.com/story/us-house-to-vote-on-bill-to-end-family-separations-at-the-mexico-border-11411169

[Marsh.]

With both...and as a leader i am fully expecting trump to better any crap that suspected paedophile on some conspiracy theorists websites,obama could come up with.

:umm2:

[arista]

It was a 20 day Detention
anyway .
USA Local Elections now and Nov , matter.

Ref : Ch4HD News Update.


Sign Of The Times.

[Marsh.]

I am amused at his Space Force idea. Making the galaxy great again.

It's literally like a toddler building a fort with boxes and bits of lego and "only my fwends are allowed in!" :fist:

Only they grow up and continue that line of immature thinking in the ****ing White House! :shocked:

[Marsh.]

Surely the parents must shoulder the majority of blame here..they knew the risks, but yet record numbers are trying to come through each month.

Do we feel as much sympathy for the common criminal whos kids are seperated from them when they get locked up.

All these tapes and recordings are designed to tug at the heartstrings like the photo if the kid on the beach.

Does the common criminal have their children locked in cages and sleeping on the floor?

[Beso]

Does the common criminal have their children locked in cages and sleeping on the floor?

There will be a few sleeping on the floor...i didnt see anyone in cages.:shrug:

[Marsh.]

There will be a few sleeping on the floor...i didnt see anyone in cages.:shrug:

Look harder.

"Land of the Free" indeed.

[Beso]

Look harder.

"Land of the Free" indeed.

Ive been looking all day.

[Oliver_W]

With both...and as a leader i am fully expecting trump to better any crap that suspected paedophile on some conspiracy theorists websites,obama could come up with.
Talk about how this had been going on under Obama too, sure. But crap like that makes it hard to take what you say seriously. Some websites think he's the Anti-Christ as well, why not throw that in?

Look harder.

"Land of the Free" indeed.

Do you have any specific links?

(Nice South Park quote though <3)

[Marsh.]

Do you have any specific links?

(Nice South Park quote though <3)

They've been posted in the thread?

I was quoting the Star-Spangled Banner but :clap1: for me I guess. :hehe:

[arista]

Trump has now Signed the deal.

TS
I hope you are happy , now,

[Beso]

[QUOTE=Oliver_W;10050032]Talk about how this had been going on under Obama too, sure. But crap like that makes it hard to take what you say seriously. Some websites think he's the Anti-Christ as well, why not throw that in as well.


You cant try and tell me off by doing exactly what i did.:nono:

[bots]

Just to add that Trump sneaked a provision into his executive order that removed the time limit that a child can be detained for. Maybe fervent Trump supporters don't see it yet, but the rest of the world do. He is a nasty, egotistical ****.

[Livia]

yeah but Trump is #LiterallyHitler and detaining people in (physical) safety who are trying to break into another country is exactly the same as rounding up citizens and placing them in death camps.

Yes... it's exactly the same.

[user104658]

yeah but Trump is #LiterallyHitler and detaining people in (physical) safety who are trying to break into another country is exactly the same as rounding up citizens and placing them in death camps.

This is the sort of excuse making that allows the latter to develop, though. If you actually take a look at history, nobody just suddenly springs up committing the worst atrocities. Things start small, and seemingly justifiable, and people let it slide. And then they escalate a little, and people let it slide. And then kids and their parents are separated, but people let it slide. Small, creeping changes. The slow, but continuous, removal of little rights and freedoms so that no individual change "seems all that big or bad". Until one day people look at the bigger picture and realise that it's ****ed up.

People are quick to make Nazi analogies, yes, that's true. But the REALLY important part of the rise of Nazi Germany and WWII is that the German people who supported that government, and fought in its armies, were not "evil" people. The German army wasn't a horde of monsters. It was just an army. They weren't funded, fed and equipped by cackling goblins in caves... the German civilians were just... people. Who fell for a tonne of propaganda hook, line and sinker.

[Kizzy]

I agree 100% TS, people are demonised, stereotyped, marginalised,subjugated society is programmed via the media that they are criminals, drains on resources, undesirables.
This makes it easier for them to be mistreated unchallenged by 'society', they are the criminal, poor, workshy, disabled, foreign.

Can anyone hand on heart say they haven't been witness to this...Here in the UK?
Not as yet on the scale the US has it but we're never usually that far behind due to our 'special relationship'.

[Tom4784]

This is the sort of excuse making that allows the latter to develop, though. If you actually take a look at history, nobody just suddenly springs up committing the worst atrocities. Things start small, and seemingly justifiable, and people let it slide. And then they escalate a little, and people let it slide. And then kids and their parents are separated, but people let it slide. Small, creeping changes. The slow, but continuous, removal of little rights and freedoms so that no individual change "seems all that big or bad". Until one day people look at the bigger picture and realise that it's ****ed up.

People are quick to make Nazi analogies, yes, that's true. But the REALLY important part of the rise of Nazi Germany and WWII is that the German people who supported that government, and fought in its armies, were not "evil" people. The German army wasn't a horde of monsters. It was just an army. They weren't funded, fed and equipped by cackling goblins in caves... the German civilians were just... people. Who fell for a tonne of propaganda hook, line and sinker.

Yup, his supporters will rubbish the Nazi comparisons but you can't really deny the similarities unless you are willing yourself not to which a lot of his supporters are doing.

It's something I've been saying a lot lately and I'll say it again, what's truly going to **** up this world is people who will believe a fiction over the reality of a situation just because they like the sound of the lies better.

Trump's ascension to power has been based on nothing but lies and not even good ones. He has been exposed time and time again throughout his campaign and in office. He speaks in nothing but lies and has **** all over his core fanbase whilst being in office but people will still vote for him in the next election, they'll wipe the **** from their eyes and ask for more because they don't care about facts, they don't care about how they are being completely betrayed by someone they've voted for, they only care that the lies that's being spun are pleasant to their ears because at the end of the day, they don't care about these kids, they aren't white so his supporters aren't bothered.

[Beso]

More marginalising and deamonising of about 30 million people by brandishing them racist just because they voted one way out of a possible 2 isnt ****ing helping matters either though...but that will be swept under the carpet.

[Tom4784]

More marginalising and deamonising of about 30 million people by brandishing them racist just because they voted one way out of a possible 2 isnt ****ing helping matters either though...but that will be swept under the carpet.

I care more about the rampant child abuse they are endorsing then their ickle feelings tbh.

[Beso]

I care more about the rampant child abuse they are endorsing then their ickle feelings tbh.

Really, then why dont you save some of your inciteful rehtoric for the parents or smugglers puttung these kids in danger of being seperated from them...:shrug:

[bots]

it should be pretty obvious there is a problem with Trump and his administration when Dezzy and I are in complete agreement :idc:

[Tom4784]

Really, then why dont you save some of your inciteful rehtoric for the parents or smugglers puttung these kids in danger of being seperated from them...:shrug:

I'd rather save my rhetoric for the people infringing on their human rights. I'm going to tell you right now, you can keep trying to blame the immigrants or Obama for this but it's not going to work.

This whole incident is a Trump administration **** up, it's nothing to do with Obama or anyone else because families were only seperated when Obama was in charge if kids crossed the border alone, if the parents posed a danger to the kids or if the officers didn't believe that the adults looking after them were actually parents or guardians. In the Obama years you had only a handful of families split up and only in very specific circumstances, there was never a time when Obama's administration took two thousand children away from their parents in a matter of months.

As I said before, you can either be someone that buys the bull**** because you like the sound of it or you can look at this as what it is, an egregious abuse of human rights and an all too real repeat of the internment camps that darkened the US' reputation in WW2.

[Beso]

Obamas effort didnt work though...the numbers trying to gain illigal entry keep rising month after month....this was done for nothing more than a short sharp shock to the illigals.

[Tom4784]

Oh so child abuse is okay as long as it teaches illegal immigrants a lesson.

[Beso]

Oh so child abuse is okay as long as it teaches illegal immigrants a lesson.

If thats what you class as child abuse then the parents are far worse than i originally thought....if you put your child at risk of child abuse then you deserve your kids taken away from you...lucky for them though trumps a bit of a soft touch.

[Tom4784]

Yes, I'd say separating children from their parents and putting them in confinement does count as child abuse and luckily, there's a **** ton of experts that would agree with me and no amount of trying to blame the parents will change the fact thatit was the US government doing this to children.

No amount of spin will take focus away from the fact that you are basically supporting child abuse as a deterrent to illegal immigration.

[Beso]

Yes, I'd say separating children from their parents and putting them in confinement does count as child abuse and luckily, there's a **** ton of experts that would agree with me and no amount of trying to blame the parents will change the fact thatit was the US government doing this to children.

No amount of spin will take focus away from the fact that you are basically supporting child abuse as a deterrent to illegal immigration.

It will be forgotten about in a few years, and if it helps the suffering of smuggled children in the long run then imo its a very small price to pay.

[Tom4784]

It will be forgotten about in a few years, and if it helps the suffering of smuggled children in the long run then imo its a very small price to pay.

So abuse is okay as long as it's forgotten?

Why are you trying to make out that this is about smuggling? It's not going to fly or justify why over two thousand children in a matter of months have been subjected to this child abuse. It's a false motivation and one that's used to justify child abuse.

[Beso]

So abuse is okay as long as it's forgotten?

Why are you trying to make out that this is about smuggling? It's not going to fly or justify why over two thousand children in a matter of months have been subjected to this child abuse. It's a false motivation and one that's used to justify child abuse.

The only thing this is about is criminals being foolish or uncaring enough that they will risk the well being of their or someone elses kids.

You can blame trump all you want...im fed up arguing the toss about it.

[Brillopad]

So abuse is okay as long as it's forgotten?

Why are you trying to make out that this is about smuggling? It's not going to fly or justify why over two thousand children in a matter of months have been subjected to this child abuse. It's a false motivation and one that's used to justify child abuse.

Maybe the parents should think of that before trying to gain illegal entry into another country. Blame everyone else - but not the parents for their own irresponsible actions. It isn't child abuse on behalf of the authorities and the use of such terminology is simply emotive for effect. America has a right to protect its borders as does any other country.

[montblanc]

i can't believe people are defending this child abuse :skull:

[Marsh.]

Blame the victims. Same old sorry story.

[The Slim Reaper]

The only thing this is about is criminals being foolish or uncaring enough that they will risk the well being of their or someone elses kids.

You can blame trump all you want...im fed up arguing the toss about it.

You do realise that people don't decide to trek 1000 miles across the Americas for ****s and giggles? These folks are seeking asylum. These aren't criminals, they're fleeing cartels and regimes.

It's complete BS.

[Marsh.]

America has a right to protect its borders as does any other country.

Locking kids up and leaving them sleeping on the floor is protecting their borders?

Yeah, ok.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://twitter.com/reveal/status/1009479961059647488

Immigrant children have been forcibly injected with powerful psychiatric drugs at one of the U.S. gov't shelters, Shiloh Treatment Center outside of Houston, according to court documents and interviews.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/immigrant-children-forcibly-injected-with-drugs-lawsuit-claims/

[arista]

You do realise that people don't decide to trek 1000 miles across the Americas for ****s and giggles? These folks are seeking asylum. These aren't criminals, they're fleeing cartels and regimes.

It's complete BS.


They are
as the entered the USA without going through the
official border.
They broke in , that makes them criminals
under current USA laws.

[Oliver_W]

You do realise that people don't decide to trek 1000 miles across the Americas for ****s and giggles? These folks are seeking asylum. These aren't criminals, they're fleeing cartels and regimes.

It's complete BS.

Sounds like they'd have a legitimate claim to go through the official channels, then.

[Beso]

https://twitter.com/reveal/status/1009479961059647488

Immigrant children have been forcibly injected with powerful psychiatric drugs at one of the U.S. gov't shelters, Shiloh Treatment Center outside of Houston, according to court documents and interviews.

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/immigrant-children-forcibly-injected-with-drugs-lawsuit-claims/

Thats as unsubstantial as my obama paedo post.:joker:....i like your style.:wavey:

[The Slim Reaper]

Thats as unsubstantial as my obama paedo post.:joker:....i like your style.:wavey:

How? It's been filed in court documents. You seriously think people are intentionally perjuring themselves to score points against trump?

[Beso]

How? It's been filed in court documents. You seriously think people are intentionally perjuring themselves to score points against trump?

Well the supposed court documents on show are from b4 trumps zero tolerence stance was introduced....

[The Slim Reaper]

Well the supposed court documents on show are from b4 trumps zero tolerence stance was introduced....

I really have no idea what you're trying to say, or what you're even trying to defend anymore. There are a wide number of complaints in there encompassing a wider period of time than first thought. Does that make the complaint less legitimate?

Yesterday you were saying its been going on for years and democrats share the blame, today you're saying that the complaints aren't recent enough for you. I have no idea what events would have had to have taken place in order for you to say "y'know what, that's out of order".

You've gone through the full range of BS in this thread; from conspiracy theories straight from infowars, to refusing to acknowledge the truth to where we are now.

When you find yourself having to obfuscate or flat out ignore reality, then maybe a bit of introspection is needed on your part. I know it's difficult when you want to "own the libs", but c'mon dude.

[Beso]

I really have no idea what you're trying to say, or what you're even trying to defend anymore. There are a wide number of complaints in there encompassing a wider period of time than first thought. Does that make the complaint less legitimate?

Yesterday you were saying its been going on for years and democrats share the blame, today you're saying that the complaints aren't recent enough for you. I have no idea what events would have had to have taken place in order for you to say "y'know what, that's out of order".

You've gone through the full range of BS in this thread; from conspiracy theories straight from infowars, to refusing to acknowledge the truth to where we are now.

When you find yourself having to obfuscate or flat out ignore reality, then maybe a bit of introspection is needed on your part. I know it's difficult when you want to "own the libs", but c'mon dude.

You asked if people want to diss trump/ or would use this to do it....im showing you they are by using court documents from before all this to bring more hatred on him because of this.......:shrug:


But anyway..im done again now....im british not american, but thia is a policy i would agree with if the uk started doing it.

[bots]

Melania Trump wears $39 jacket with 'I REALLY DON'T CARE, DO U?' scrawled across the back as she boards a plane to visit immigrant children being held at the Texas border

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/21/18/4D7E7C4D00000578-0-image-m-42_1529602688156.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/21/18/4D7EFA8A00000578-0-image-a-43_1529602697337.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5871221/Melania-Trump-wears-jacket-REALLY-DONT-CARE-U-visit-immigrant-children.html

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Do these people have any brain cells?

[Beso]

Melania Trump wears $39 jacket with 'I REALLY DON'T CARE, DO U?' scrawled across the back as she boards a plane to visit immigrant children being held at the Texas border

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/21/18/4D7E7C4D00000578-0-image-m-42_1529602688156.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/21/18/4D7EFA8A00000578-0-image-a-43_1529602697337.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5871221/Melania-Trump-wears-jacket-REALLY-DONT-CARE-U-visit-immigrant-children.html

-----

Do these people have any brain cells?

I think you will find she was the cataclyst of trumps reversal.

[Tom4784]

The only thing this is about is criminals being foolish or uncaring enough that they will risk the well being of their or someone elses kids.

You can blame trump all you want...im fed up arguing the toss about it.

I will blame Trump because it's his administration that is responsible for state sponsored child abuse.

Try this thing called empathy, try putting yourself in the shoes of someone so desperate to enter a country that they'd do it illegally. These kinds of people rarely think 'Oh wow, let's go pillage the US' benefits system and it's totally bitchin' insurance based health system that would screw us over for generations just because I can't be bothered to find a job in Mexico'

No, people don't take risks like that unless they are desperate. To blame parents for their children being taken from them and mentally and emotionally abused doesn't fly.

You are either against this abhorrent practice or you are for it, no grey areas, no victim blaming, no blaming a previous administration. It's a black or white issue. You either think this is perfectly acceptable or you don't.

Maybe the parents should think of that before trying to gain illegal entry into another country. Blame everyone else - but not the parents for their own irresponsible actions. It isn't child abuse on behalf of the authorities and the use of such terminology is simply emotive for effect. America has a right to protect its borders as does any other country.

So you're supporting state sponsored child abuse because they are immigrants, okay.

[Tom4784]

I think you will find she was the cataclyst of trumps reversal.

She's just a puppet that can't stand him tbh and his 'reversal' ain't worth **** by all accounts. It doesn't really change the situation. It's a pointless gesture with no intent behind it.

His executive order won't change anything because it's not intended to, it's just a hollow gesture.

[Beso]

She's just a puppet that can't stand him tbh and his 'reversal' ain't worth **** by all accounts. It doesn't really change the situation. It's a pointless gesture with no intent behind it.

His executive order won't change anything because it's not intended to, it's just a hollow gesture.

Tbh.....tbh you cant be honest about the fact your trying to prove because you cant honestly see inside her head.

[Tom4784]

Tbh.....tbh you cant be honest about the fact your trying to prove because you cant honestly see inside her head.

It's as valid a response as saying she was the catalyst in Trump's pretend reversal.

[Beso]

It's as valid a response as saying she was the catalyst in Trump's pretend reversal.

And yours was as valid as my references to obama and paedophillia.

[Tom4784]

And yours was as valid as my references to obama and paedophillia.

Well no, you were spouting inaccuracies. You believing Melania had anything to do with this pretend reversal is an opinion just like it's my opinion that she's a puppet.

To blame the democrats or a previous administration for the current administration's recent approach to immigration is simply a false narrative.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I remember when some members tht Donald would be gone by March 2017

Lol

[Beso]

Well no, you were spouting inaccuracies. You believing Melania had anything to do with this pretend reversal is an opinion just like it's my opinion that she's a puppet.

To blame the democrats or a previous administration for the current administration's recent approach to immigration is simply a false narrative.

It was reported on itn news that she and his wife were a strong cataclysm...the coat was worn to confirm that.
You're just imagining you can see in melanies head...:wavey:...cant be arsed tonight, sorry.

[Marsh.]

:joker: Ending the thread because you've lost a debate.

:laugh2:

[montblanc]

screaming not "done"

[Twosugars]

Ive been looking all day.
they had footage of kids in cages on bbc news, Parm
I agree 100% TS, people are demonised, stereotyped, marginalised,subjugated society is programmed via the media that they are criminals, drains on resources, undesirables.
This makes it easier for them to be mistreated unchallenged by 'society', they are the criminal, poor, workshy, disabled, foreign.

Can anyone hand on heart say they haven't been witness to this...Here in the UK?
Not as yet on the scale the US has it but we're never usually that far behind due to our 'special relationship'.
are you surprised, Kizzy? it's either that or people will start twigging who really is to blame, i.e the establishment and the rich and they sure can't have that
I remember when some members tht Donald would be gone by March 2017

Lol
Now, LT, don't troll, this subject is emotive as it is, no need to add fuel

[Twosugars]

but honestly, what the actual f*uck with that coat of hers? I mean, you couldn't make this **** up if you tried!

[Maru]

At this time in USA
Its all about illegal immigrants
have their kids taken away from them,

Trump says criminals are using kids to get into USA,

I amazed Maru does not have a thread on this.


Ref: CNN HD Live
and FoxNewsHD Live (online only for UK , at this time)

Yeah, I kind of needed a break from politics. I haven't been watching and reading as much lately anyway due to work (I have a 2nd job now... :spin:). But it's terrible to hear this is going on, and I would imagine our allies probably are confused how we let this happen (despite Trump)... but I will say my theory...

The policy has been in place since Obama-era, but I would not be surprised if it's gone on even much longer than that (possibly decades). It's very common in the US for beauracracies to turn heads and to "mask" these issues rather than to deal with them the proper way.

Probably, their budget is very limited, hence the ridiculous conditions they are being detained under. Welfare services is very similar in TX. Before my mother got her social worker sorted, she would have to wait 9+ hours just to see someone in a chair with a room of crowded folk (including some illegals).

The authorities (national maybe) running this either don't want to know what is going on, whereas those directly involved may actually compalin, but nothing is done. Probably budgeting does not help, but there is a loophole with regard to criminal charges here. Anyway, we will restrict how much is spent, because these folk are not US citizens... as such, they're not very high on the totem pole for budgeting/representation.

There are unions/organizations that represent the inmates here in TX, and as such, there is a lot more pressure on the upper brass to be more forthright with caring for these individuals and caring for them in custody. However, it's still the same scenario there... the upper brass would rather not want to know how the pie is made so to speak, just that it remains within certain thresholds and that the paperwork lines up. That's how a lot of these things end up "covered up" imo... the lower ranks, the folk directly responsible for caring for these people probably raised the issue multiple times... but usually nothing is done, because nobody further up wants to be held accountable for those conditions should it hit the media and raise questions.

It usually takes a scandal for something like this to actually get addressed. Sad but true, but that is the state of US politics. It is the same in Congress, and it is the same in all our institutions. Only with ample pressure does reform ever occur.

Personally, I'm agitated that Congress won't act and pass a bill dealing with this. Seems irresponsible as it is their job to handle such matters. An executive order can be changed later... but legislature would provide guidance for future laws/reforms to take shape. If there are shortfalls in funding, then those matters should be addressed with legislation citing guidelines that must be followed with these folk who are in our custody.

Right now, the focus is on making this into a political thing. That is wrong and both sides are attempting to milk the issue. It should be about doing what's right, plain and simple, this should be a bipartisan effort once it became known to these folk. Some knew much longer than before Trump was president, that there were serious issues here. However, both sides have their heads up their ***, so I don't think it serves any purpose to point fingers at this point... both are responsible for this having gone on as long as it has.

Nobody is really representing when these people are here. Not even the Democrats. What should happen, imo, is that Mexico should become more involved in the treatment and handling of their citizens in our custody. They are legal citizens of that country, so they should have some interest in their care. They should get involved with the deportation/criminal process as much as possible so that these individuals are cared for properly... they should've been the first to raise an alarm.

If it were a US citizen detained elsewhere in terrible conditions, Trump & co, Congress, etc, would all be raising cane. However, because they are not our citizens, have no affiliations or links to the US (officially), they lack true representation here and that is where the Consulate needs to step up I think. Though hopefully now that this issue has come to the forefront, more will be done on our end to further their care in our custody... especially the children, as emotional support is really key here, having probably gone through enough before even crossing the border. Their parents may make stupid decisions, but I think the right thing would be to step up here and provide services for them while in custody...

Perhaps an educational/child development program can be developed to work with these children and their peers. Something hospitality-focused, so that at least instead of sitting in shared facility full-time, they get a break while their parents handle their case. I don't think that they're "entitled" to these services, but I think it's important that the US send the message that we are compassionate towards the individuals. We do not agree obviously with them coming across legally. However I think if the US were to remain hard and cold towards immigrant populations, it may reform our image and perhaps even people would be more willing to file for asylum the correct way... i.e. nothing personal, but we can't just allow anyone in unconditionally, but we will look after your children properly (and care for their basic needs) while you are in our custody. I think that would be a modern touch to our immigration system... yes we need a wall and to seal our borders, but there should also be understanding that many folk try to come here to find a better life. That was after all the promise of the American dream... their decision to leave their home is not a light one, as I'm sure many people are still emotionally attached to Mexico, their roots.

My school was a vast majority Hispanic (mostly Mexican heritage) and we had those programs, including Spanish-speaking folk who ran the school, mariachi bands, celebrations of their heritage even though it was a US school... it felt appropriate and welcoming to those folk, and a good cultural lesson for myself. So I would like to see that for their children while they are in our custody, that they put in schools that are friendly to them and can accomodate their needs... if even just temporarily (a few weeks) until their case is processed and they are possibly sent back home? I don't know that I agree with putting their parents in jail for simply crossing the border (i.e. rather than violent crimes, etc)... charges yes, but imprisonment... not really, especially if we are just going to send them back.

I think because they are our neighbors (Mexico), we should treat their citizens with hospitality. If anything, to better relations. I think that enforcing our laws doesn't need to come at the expense of that care... if Trump is serious about improving our laws and rebuilding our relations as a strong and robust nation, then he has to consider these small transactional relations as well with foreign citizens, not just overarching laws, that if not are handled with care will cause many unintended side-effects... whether our authorities intend this or not, they have to understand the full impact of laws/procedures that they enact... no different than any other institution. I think that repairing relationships on an individual level with foreign citizens is very important for a country as large and significant as the US, if it hopes to unite even folk in its own population...visitors and foreigners who have negative opinions of our country on the whole, they have a more objective perspective and it does help to inflame domestic relations as well when we damage these relations with foreign countries... I think. Like a look in the mirror...

[Maru]

but honestly, what the actual f*uck with that coat of hers? I mean, you couldn't make this **** up if you tried!

I really don't like casual wear that insults other people. It assumes too much what the other person is thinking... especially assuming they might even care, just a little ... but I think in this case, it's probably a message to the media... however, it is too vague even for me, so I think the "message" got lost just like those t-shirts that make people feel bad for just reading their stupid phrases.

Trump has an issue where he says whatever he likes, we know this, except often he is verbally farting into the ether when he does this. So even conservatives have issues trying to understand his core messaging there :laugh:. So it's hard to assume what his final messaging will be, even for those on his staff, as they usually go with one interpretation, only for Trump to re-engage with a latter message...

His wife is just following with his trend of spiting the media with vague & ominous messaging. Trump loves to stir the pot, and I guess so does his wife now?... I think supporters would probably find it amusing that the press is even over-thinking it. I don't think they take him that seriously at all, his odd quirks and the fact she chose a jacket with a childish phrase on the back...

[Twosugars]

But Maru, it looked tacky, not suitable for a First Lady. And more importantly she was going to visit those refugee kids. Don't they have advisers? That **** goes out to the worldwide audience, not just Trump's enemies and supporters.

[Maru]

But Maru, it looked tacky, not suitable for a First Lady. And more importantly she was going to visit those refugee kids. Don't they have advisers? That **** goes out to the worldwide audience, not just Trump's enemies and supporters.

If it is anything like his cabinet, then his/their advisers have probably all quit, been rotated out by now... :laugh: So maybe they found people that have learned from their predecessors just to nod and agree.

It is tacky, but US politics is so obscenely tacky and trollish atm... I personally am tired of reading up on it as it's just gone that far for me. It's only a little bit ridiculous. The whole thing.

[bots]

Hey Maru, nice to see you back

Tell me, how often does the presidents wife go on an official trip wearing a $40 jacket. How often does she have one with a slogan on it? It was intended to send a clear message. How could people possibly say it was a fashion statement :laugh: i mean ... come on :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

of course kids were segregated from their parents like this during the last administration

:/

[Alf]

but honestly, what the actual f*uck with that coat of hers? I mean, you couldn't make this **** up if you tried!A message to the media.

[arista]

of course kids were segregated from their parents like this during the last administration

:/


Yes no alarm then.

[bots]

A message to the media.

it's not a message to the media, its a message to the world. I mean, wearing a poppy or a ribbon or something sends a clear and unambiguous message. Wearing, "I don't care, do you" also sends a message, and if you don't mean literally what you have written on your coat .... don't wear it.

[Alf]

it's not a message to the media, its a message to the world. I mean, wearing a poppy or a ribbon or something sends a clear and unambiguous message. Wearing, "I don't care, do you" also sends a message, and if you don't mean literally what you have written on your coat .... don't wear it."I REALLY DON’T CARE, DO U?” written on the back of Melania’s jacket, refers to the Fake News Media. Melania has learned how dishonest they are, and she truly no longer cares!

President Trump



"Melania Trump removed her controversial jacket before landing in Texas – but wore it again upon returning to Maryland"

ABC News

[bots]

"I REALLY DON’T CARE, DO U?” written on the back of Melania’s jacket, refers to the Fake News Media. Melania has learned how dishonest they are, and she truly no longer cares!

President Trump



"Melania Trump removed her controversial jacket before landing in Texas – but wore it again upon returning to Maryland"

ABC News

Sorry, but trump utters nothing but **** and lies so his explanations are meaningless

[Alf]

Sorry, but trump utters nothing but **** and lies so his explanations are meaninglessMaybe, but his take on this sounds more believable than the main stream media's and the gossip to me.

[Nicky91]

what is this thread about, the OP says close this, i am confused

[Oliver_W]

what is this thread about, the OP says close this, i am confused

It was originally about whether or not President Trump was still gonna build that wall, but it wandered offtopic to the whole "kids in cages" thing, and parmnion felt he was swimming against the tide and wants the whole thread deleted.

[Nicky91]

It was originally about whether or not President Trump was still gonna build that wall, but it wandered offtopic to the whole "kids in cages" thing, and parmnion felt he was swimming against the tide and wants the whole thread deleted.

it feels like trolling to me tbh



and yes it went offtopic with the children

[Alf]

what is this thread about, the OP says close this, i am confusedIt was originally Parmnion asking the qustion, "Is Trump still building the wall" but it's taken a few different directions since then.

[Jake.]

A message to the media.

It really isn’t.

[bots]

Maybe, but his take on this sounds more believable than the main stream media's and the gossip to me.

when you print words and display them to the world, people will take their own interpretations. That's how words work. The Trump family are well aware of this, they knew exactly how it would be interpreted. To add an explanation for it later is just plain silly. Why display the words if it needs an explanation to go with it

[thesheriff443]

Its not a magic wall...what a bloody childish thing to try and ridicule peoples opinions with...magic wall geez.


What would be withanos suggestion to stop the flood of illigal drugs and people both in usa and turkey?

He lives in his own magical world, so you might as well bang your head against a wall than try and communicate with him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes no alarm then.

No because back then there was no concerted media effort to portray the Obama administration in a bad light as it did not sell

There was not enough journos caring

Now we have a critical mass of left leaning journos on twitter and now its a story


:bored:

[thesheriff443]

No because back then there was no concerted media effort to portray the Obama administration in a bad light as it did not sell

There was not enough journos caring

Now we have a critical mass of left leaning journos on twitter and now its a story


:bored:

What have you done with Katy perry? Put her back immediately

[Crimson Dynamo]

What have you done with Katy perry? Put her back immediately

i will in a fortnite

[Alf]

It really isn’t.Don't keep it to yourself, if you have new information, then can't you tell us?

[thesheriff443]

i will in a fortnite

I can't keep an erection for that long.

[thesheriff443]

Ten pages in, whose hit the wall?

[user104658]

What have you done with Katy perry? Put her back immediately

i will in a fortnite

I can't keep an erection for that long.

:laugh2:

[arista]

A message to the media.


Yes CNN HD USA
will spend a hour on her coat.

Fecking Pathetic ALF

[Tom4784]

of course kids were segregated from their parents like this during the last administration

:/

Actually they weren't, that's straight up misinformation you are spreading there.

Child separation only occurred in cases of suspected smuggling or abuse. Only a handful of kids were seperated from their accompanying adults on a yearly basis. Not thousands in a matter of months.

I'm quite tired of people relying on falsities to defend this situation.

[Tom4784]

Maybe, but his take on this sounds more believable than the main stream media's and the gossip to me.

A good example of what's wrong with the world here.

Why listen to facts that people don't want to hear when they find fairy tales spun to them by the likes of Trump and other people that tell them what they want to hear more appealing?

The truth doesn't matter if people don't like what's being said, sadly.

[Tom4784]

It was originally about whether or not President Trump was still gonna build that wall, but it wandered offtopic to the whole "kids in cages" thing, and parmnion felt he was swimming against the tide and wants the whole thread deleted.

The wall and the immigration situation are one in the same, it's not 'going offtopic'.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Actually they weren't, that's straight up misinformation you are spreading there.

Child separation only occurred in cases of suspected smuggling or abuse. Only a handful of kids were seperated from their accompanying adults on a yearly basis. Not thousands in a matter of months.

I'm quite tired of people relying on falsities to defend this situation.

Yes Trump has increased the numbers becasue the numbers coming are unacceptable

Once again he is doing something that Obama did not have the balls or stomach for

this will play well in the USA for voters

[Crimson Dynamo]

good article is here to explain

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/21/17488458/obama-immigration-policy-family-separation-border

[Tom4784]

Yes Trump has increased the numbers becasue the numbers coming are unacceptable

Once again he is doing something that Obama did not have the balls or stomach for

this will play well in the USA for voters

I don't think many people would 'have the balls' to enforce state sanctioned child abuse tbh.

Obama's approach had issues, it wasn't perfect but it didn't infringe on human rights or traumatise children. Trump wanted to 'get one over' on Obama by trying to scrap his policies and in turn created a barbaric new system that, judging by the hollow executive order, he isn't too fussed about fixing.

[Alf]

A good example of what's wrong with the world here.

Why listen to facts that people don't want to hear when they find fairy tales spun to them by the likes of Trump and other people that tell them what they want to hear more appealing?

The truth doesn't matter if people don't like what's being said, sadly.My guess on the meaning of the jacket is that yesterday, actor Peter Fonda tweeted about kidnapping her 12 year old son and locking him in a cage with paedophiles to be raped and the media was silent, unlike they were when Trump supporter Roseanne compared a woman to a character from a film.

So I think that Trump saying the message was aimed at the media sounds plausible. But if you know that they're fairy tales, then that's ok with me.