Lord Sugar under fire for racist tweet

[Greg!]

Alan Sugar has been criticised for posting a tweet about the Senegal World Cup squad that compared the players to people selling sunglasses and handbags on beaches.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/20/lord-sugar-under-fire-over-racist-senegal-world-cup-team-tweet

mess :skull:

[Crimson Dynamo]

idgi

[Livia]

I thought it was quite funny.

[Greg!]

I thought it was quite racist!

[Greg!]

I don't think he's a racist person but how the hell did he expect people to react to that :skull:

[Livia]

People seem to have lost their sense of humour now that everyone is offended by everything.

[Greg!]

Sis let's not pretend that you wouldn't be (rightfully) offended if the tweet was making fun of Jewish stereotypes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I thought it was quite racist!

Is there something wrong with the folk who sell things on the beach?


I still dont get it

:shrug:

[Greg!]

Not going to fall for your baiting LT! No one is that obtuse :)

[Livia]

Sis let's not pretend that you wouldn't be (rightfully) offended if the tweet was making fun of Jewish stereotypes.

Listen, I laugh at Jewish jokes all the time. The thing about being in a minority is to try not to take offence at everything because most of the time no insult is intended.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not going to fall for your baiting LT! No one is that obtuse :)

im neither I dont get where the racism is meant to be

I take it a lot of young African men sell stuff on the beaches around Marbella and dress in bright colours and or wear footy tops?

Pray tell me when you were last there?

[Greg!]

Listen, I laugh at Jewish jokes all the time. The thing about being in a minority is to try not to take offence at everything because most of the time no insult is intended.

Fair enough! Like I said, I don't think he's a racist person, but he should have known that the tweet would cause a lot of offence to a lot of people

[Ashley.]

That's not a racist tweet, that's a racist joke. The latter are less offensive and generally do not have an underlying agenda. Of course, some racist jokes do, but I don't think that is the case here.

[user104658]

- It's borderline racist but I don't think he necessarily meant to be racist; I believe that he just doesn't "get it" (as he is a bit of a dinosaur... and this is fairly common).

- It isn't funny anyway, whether it's racist or not. It's a sh*t joke. And I actually think he was initially more butthurt that no one found it funny than anything else :hehe:

- He's been stealing like 80% of his catchphrases from TiBB-SD :suspect:.

[Northern Monkey]

It’s an obvious joke(even if poor).People have been making ‘close to the bone’ jokes forever.
Comedy is an important outlet for society to be able to laugh at all these taboo subjects.A release.
I think a sensible head is needed when judging something as an ‘ism’ and if it has malicious intent behind it.Context is key.

Let comedy live

[Jack_]

Anything goes in comedy. This just isn't funny, tbh it probably would've been funnier had it been more offensive

[bots]

not getting why its racist tbh.

[Tom4784]

Ignorant dick but I don't think he's racist, he's just dumb.

[arista]

I thought it was quite racist!

Sure - easy to do.
He needs to say sorry
He is no racist.

[arista]

I thought it was quite racist!

Sure - easy to do.
He needs to say sorry
He is no racist.

[Crimson Dynamo]

not getting why its racist tbh.

i still dont

[Twosugars]

don't think it's racist, more to do with Senegal being poor
either way, pointless observation, pointless tweet

[user104658]

not getting why its racist tbh.

i still dont

OK I will ask, to be answered by either - if you really can't see the link to race - what is the joke? What's the punchline?

[Crimson Dynamo]

OK I will ask, to be answered by either - if you really can't see the link to race - what is the joke? What's the punchline?

That the sellers on the beaches of Marbella are black Africans and wear footy shirts and or bright colours?

more a funny observation?

[Headie]

What a stupid, unfunny, ignorant tweet to make

[Daniel-X]

NOT the Lucky Lucky Men comparison.

[Beso]

NOT the Lucky Lucky Men comparison.

This is probably more racist than sugars tweet.

[Alf]

OK I will ask, to be answered by either - if you really can't see the link to race - what is the joke? What's the punchline?Isn't it just an attempt at a funny analogy?

We can't keep crying racist every time a non White is the punchline, that would just cause division.

[bots]

if someone said the england team looked like TV repair men, would that be equally racist?

[user104658]

if someone said the england team looked like TV repair men, would that be equally racist?

What does a TV repair man look like?

[Kizzy]

So where's the tweet?

[Niamh.]

if someone said the england team looked like TV repair men, would that be equally racist?

No one would ever say that though, I think that's the point. White people as a group are never stereotyped/generalised the way black people as a group are

[Twosugars]

Isn't it just an attempt at a funny analogy?

We can't keep crying racist every time a non White is the punchline, that would just cause division.

this

[Niamh.]

What does a TV repair man look like?

Jim Carey?

[Niamh.]

So where's the tweet?

It's in the link about half way down

[Crimson Dynamo]

No one would ever say that though, I think that's the point. White people as a group are never stereotyped/generalised the way black people as a group are

They probably are in mainly black countries

[Niamh.]

They probably are in mainly black countries

Well show me some tweets, you can't just guess and use that as your argument :nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well show me some tweets, you can't just guess and use that as your argument :nono:

Its an educated guess and i bet i am spot on

[Niamh.]

Its an educated guess and i bet i am spot on

It's a guess though, show me a tweet or something

[Twosugars]

It's a guess though, show me a tweet or something

drag him!
LT always asks for evidence :hehe:

[Nicky91]

1009390874797793280

[Beso]

No one would ever say that though, I think that's the point. White people as a group are never stereotyped/generalised the way black people as a group are

Unless you are a trump supporter then you are either racist or stupid....

[Alf]

1009390874797793280A mistake apologising, now the vultures will swarm in, just like they did when Roseanne apologised.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's a guess though, show me a tweet or something

https://www.news24.com/Video/SouthAfrica/News/watch-racist-anti-anc-land-thief-wmc-stooge-south-african-journalists-read-mean-tweets-20180523

[Marsh.]

Isn't it just an attempt at a funny analogy?

We can't keep crying racist every time a non White is the punchline, that would just cause division.

The fact they're not white is the punchline though.

[Marsh.]

https://img.memecdn.com/the-english-football-team_o_414327.jpg

What relevance is this one?

[Marsh.]

https://www.news24.com/Video/SouthAfrica/News/watch-racist-anti-anc-land-thief-wmc-stooge-south-african-journalists-read-mean-tweets-20180523

Where's the white stereotype?

[Livia]

What relevance is this one?

It's funny and it's not racist and I posted it just because. You don't have to laugh Marshy. It's not compulsory.

[Niamh.]

https://www.news24.com/Video/SouthAfrica/News/watch-racist-anti-anc-land-thief-wmc-stooge-south-african-journalists-read-mean-tweets-20180523

I can't watch that right now, I'm at work

[Marsh.]

It's funny and it's not racist and I posted it just because. You don't have to laugh Marshy. It's not compulsory.

But... this aint a chat thread. :hee: So, unless it's relevant to the topic I'm baffled by its inclusion.

[Alf]

The fact they're not white is the punchline though.Are you outraged by this?

[Livia]

But... this aint a chat thread. :hee: So, unless it's relevant to the topic I'm baffled by its inclusion.

Just trying to lighten things a bit Marshy and stop all you nutters fighting.

I will remove it.

[Niamh.]

Just trying to lighten things a bit Marshy and stop all you nutters fighting.

I will remove it.

I thought it was funny :hehe:

[Livia]

I thought it was funny :hehe:

Thank you, Niamh. It is funny because it's true.

Anyhoo, taken it down now, don't want Marshy getting his yfronts in a knot.

[Marsh.]

Are you outraged by this?

No. And whether I was outraged or not doesn't deflect from the fact that the actual purpose of this joke was to poke fun at Africans.

If it's not to poke fun at them, there is no joke there. Do you see?

[Marsh.]

Thank you, Niamh. It is funny because it's true.

Anyhoo, taken it down now, don't want Marshy getting his yfronts in a knot.

No knots here. Just thought it was a poor attempt at finding a white man joke. :smug:

[Livia]

No knots here. Just thought it was a poor attempt at finding a white man joke. :smug:

I wasn't trying to find a white man joke I looked for a football joke. I was trying to deflect from the uproar caused by such a mild joke. I see no intent in it, and yet, despite the crap going on in the world, people are going to waste their energy reacting to it.

[Marsh.]

I wasn't trying to find a white man joke I looked for a football joke. I was trying to deflect from the uproar caused by such a mild joke. I see no intent in it, and yet, despite the crap going on in the world, people are going to waste their energy reacting to it.

Tbf, I don't think many people see racist intention in it. I actually like Lord Sugar.

He was just dumb to think a racist joke wouldn't be taken the way it has been.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No. And whether I was outraged or not doesn't deflect from the fact that the actual purpose of this joke was to poke fun at Africans.

If it's not to poke fun at them, there is no joke there. Do you see?

and what is wrong with poking fun at Africans?

[Marsh.]

and what is wrong with poking fun at Africans?

Nothing. There's nothing wrong with poking fun at anyone.

Making their race the butt of the joke, however, is.

[Twosugars]

A mistake apologising, now the vultures will swarm in, just like they did when Roseanne apologised.
Alf you're so exasperating :nono:
Can't you be consistent and talk sense THROUGHOUT a thread? :laugh:
You started well and then you went and dragged Roseanne into this.
Sugar's tweet was nowhere near as offensive as Roseanne's
Sugar tried to be funny and misjudged, Roseanne oth is racist

[Marsh.]

Tbf, Roseanne always tries to be funny with her racist comments.

[Alf]

No. And whether I was outraged or not doesn't deflect from the fact that the actual purpose of this joke was to poke fun at Africans.

If it's not to poke fun at them, there is no joke there. Do you see?But you see that this happens both ways right? You do know I could find some videos of Black comedians making jokes about White people, for just being White, don't you? And we'd all more than likely laugh at them too.

[Nicky91]

Nothing. There's nothing wrong with poking fun at anyone.

Making their race the butt of the joke, however, is.

it's ok to joke at anyone, as long as you keep it funny and it's not racist


but Lord Sugar apologized for this now, so hopefully his humour can improve from now on

[Twosugars]

calling sb a monkey? not funny

[Marsh.]

calling sb a monkey? not funny

I don't recall saying it was. However, Roseanne thinks it is, ergo she says it for a laugh. The point being made.

You don't think she simply makes the comparison? She makes the comparison as her idea of a laugh and a joke to mock someone she doesn't like.

[Marsh.]

But you see that this happens both ways right? You do know I could find some videos of Black comedians making jokes about White people, for just being White, don't you? And we'd all more than likely laugh at them too.

Knock yourself out, doesn't make your belief these kind of jokes aren't racist any less wrong.

[Kazanne]

People seem to have lost their sense of humour now that everyone is offended by everything.

Got in there before me Livia,:hehe: I totally agree,people just seem to want to find something to whinge at today,I thought it funny too:laugh:

[Marsh.]

Got in there before me Livia,:hehe: I totally agree,people just seem to want to find something to whinge at today,I thought it funny too:laugh:

Yes, because you really have to search hard to see racism in a racist joke.

[Twosugars]

but why is it a racist joke?
he could have said that about any team from a country known for enterprising migrants
why not Polish team full of plumbers and builders? Idgi

[Twosugars]

but why is it a racist joke?
he could have said that about any team from a country known for enterprising migrants
why not Polish team full of plumbers and builders? Idgi

[Marsh.]

but why is it a racist joke?

Because the punchline is based on being derogatory about Africans... based on them being African.

[Twosugars]

Because the punchline is based on being derogatory about Africans... based on them being African.

it's about them doing two jobs, selling sunglasses in Spain and playing football for Senegal
enterprising migrants comes to mind, not skin colour
no, I don't get it, sorry sis :shrug:
nvm

[Alf]

Because the punchline is based on being derogatory about Africans... based on them being African.So what do you think should happen now?

Should the Police get involved?
Should the BBC fire him?
Should he be branded a racist for the rest of his days?
Should he give money to a charity?
Or now that he's apologised, shall we just move on?
Or something else?

[Marsh.]

it's about them doing two jobs, selling sunglasses in Spain and playing football for Senegal
enterprising migrants comes to mind, not skin colour
no, I don't get it, sorry sis :shrug:
nvm

You don't see where race comes into it?

So, he'd have used this joke alongside an image of ANY football team then, right?

[Marsh.]

So what do you think should happen now?

Should the Police get involved?
Should the BBC fire him?
Should he be branded a racist for the rest of his days?
Should he give money to a charity?
Or now that he's apologised, shall we just move on?
Or something else?

I don't know nor do I care. Like I said, I don't think any offence was intended by him and like him.

I was responding to you claiming it's not a racist joke, when it is.

But you continue deflecting and moving the goalposts of the discussion. Carry on.

[Twosugars]

You don't see where race comes into it?

So, he'd have used this joke alongside an image of ANY football team then, right?

idk, if any nationalities sell wares in Marbella then yes
he could have cracked a joke about Polish players doing his bathroom too :shrug:
I get there's an issue otherwise they'd be no backlash, but I just don't see it, can't help it

[Alf]

I don't know nor do I care. Like I said, I don't think any offence was intended by him and like him.

I was responding to you claiming it's not a racist joke, when it is.

But you continue deflecting and moving the goalposts of the discussion. Carry on.Did I claim it wasn't a racist joke? I thought I just said that we can't keep shouting racist every time a non White is the punchline.

[Matthew.]

his twitter is such a mess

selling a box of pick and mix! only £15

and now this :skull:

[Alf]

his twitter is such a mess

selling a box of pick and mix! only £15

and now this :skull:I think those sweets are the business of the lady that won the apprentice.

15 notes for a few little sweets is highway robbery. You'd have to be made of money to purchase them.

[Marsh.]

Did I claim it wasn't a racist joke? I thought I just said that we can't keep shouting racist every time a non White is the punchline.Implying the joke doesn't deserve the racist tag?

If you thought it was racist you wouldn't have a problem with it being called such.

[Matthew.]

I think those sweets are the business of the lady that won the apprentice.

15 notes for a few little sweets is highway robbery. You'd have to be made of money to purchase them.

yeah they are

and £15 for the Sweets in the City or £1 for a wee tub of them down at the Co-Op - I’ll go Co-Op, ta

his excuse for the high prices is that they come in a nice little box with a personalised message :hehe:

[Marsh.]

idk, if any nationalities sell wares in Marbella then yes
he could have cracked a joke about Polish players doing his bathroom too :shrug:
I get there's an issue otherwise they'd be no backlash, but I just don't see it, can't help itAs long as you don't think that because you don't see the issue that there isn't an issue.

But you don't seem to be be so that's fair enough.

[MTVN]

idk, if any nationalities sell wares in Marbella then yes
he could have cracked a joke about Polish players doing his bathroom too :shrug:
I get there's an issue otherwise they'd be no backlash, but I just don't see it, can't help it

He didn't say it because beach sellers are always from Senegal though, he said it because beach sellers are pretty much always black. He probably would have said it about any African team

It's clearly disrespectful to take a pic of a team of professional footballers representing their country at the World Cup and basically say 'lol black guys, look like they should be selling sunglasses'

[Niamh.]

He didn't say it because beach sellers are always from Senegal though, he said it because beach sellers are pretty much always black. He probably would have said it about any African team

It's clearly disrespectful to take a pic of a team of professional footballers representing their country at the World Cup and basically say 'lol black guys, look like they should be selling sunglasses'

Exactly.

[Twosugars]

ok, understand it better now
didn't know beach sellers are usually black, never go to crowded beaches/resorts
still, I'd call it condescending rather than racist, as to me it's more about economic status, but not gonna argue
like I said to Marsh, there's clearly an issue so not gonna pretend it's not racist only because I can't see it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He didn't say it because beach sellers are always from Senegal though, he said it because beach sellers are pretty much always black. He probably would have said it about any African team

It's clearly disrespectful to take a pic of a team of professional footballers representing their country at the World Cup and basically say 'lol black guys, look like they should be selling sunglasses'

Is it not they wear colourful clothes and or footy tops?

And are always black?

[Marsh.]

Well no, since many people wear colourful clothes and footie tops.

Just like... every other team at the World Cup and if you think any other team are interchangeable and he would've made the same comment/joke about ANY football team is being wilfully blind.

[Nicky91]

many of the world cup teams have lovely outfits i guess

I Love Senegal's bc i Always like colourful outfits

[Kizzy]

What is laughable is when you have people actually saying they are offended at his 'joke' and yet white people still can't see what's wrong... there must be something wrong with them...no sense of humour or something clearly, if this rich white man can't make a funny on twitter :/

'Osasu Obayiuwana, the British-Nigerian associate editor of New African magazine and contributor to the BBC’s World Football show, wrote: “Dear ⁦@Lord_Sugar⁩, I’m afraid no Senegalese or African will see this as funny. What you wrote was hurtful and plays to a racist stereotype. If you really don’t see what’s wrong with what you’ve written, you have a lot to learn still. You should know better!”'

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/20/lord-sugar-under-fire-over-racist-senegal-world-cup-team-tweet

[arista]

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[Beso]

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/lord-sugar-facing-calls-to-be-sacked-over-racist-senegal-world-cup-beach-vendor-tweet-a3868001.html%3famp

:joker:

You couldnt make this **** up.

[arista]

[Ms Butler, Labour MP for Brent Central, has said the BBC, which airs Lord Sugar's reality programme The Apprentice, should take "swift action" against him.]
From above link

Its getting worse.
Maybe he should Go live on every TV News
and clear this UP.

[Alf]

[Ms Butler, Labour MP for Brent Central, has said the BBC, which airs Lord Sugar's reality programme The Apprentice, should take "swift action" against him.]
From above link

Its getting worse.
Maybe he should Go live on every TV News
and clear this UP.The BBC allows Diane Abbott on, so it would be a bit hypocritical of them.

[Jake.]

I wonder if he would have taken so kindly to a joke stereotyping Jewish people :think:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder if he would have taken so kindly to a joke stereotyping Jewish people :think:

as jews make more jokes sending themselves up than any race or religion i would say yes

[Kazanne]

Blimey,how over the top,really not worth losing his job for,he has apologized,much worse has been said about Jews,did they lose their jobs ? NO, they are still employed.

[Northern Monkey]

No jokes allowed anymore.He can only hope the BBC use some sense(though i doubt they will).

[Cherie]

They won't sack him, if they do thats the Apprentice down the drain, as he puts up the money??? unless they offer BBC jobs to the winner...

[Cherie]

It was ill judged but I have seen worse jokes about potatos on here..

[Crimson Dynamo]

its far more about snowflakes and faux outrage/media than about racism

id say, in mo, 99.9% of people did not really get it or give 2 fcks about it

[bots]

They won't sack him, if they do thats the Apprentice down the drain, as he puts up the money??? unless they offer BBC jobs to the winner...

He has more money and success than he needs. I'm sure he wouldn't care less if the beeb decided to end his show, and as LT says, it's faux outrage that is the order of the day

[Cherie]

He has more money and success than he needs. I'm sure he wouldn't care less if the beeb decided to end his show, and as LT says, it's faux outrage that is the order of the day

Of course it is, if you flip it around its a bit insulting to the beach sellers because their occupation is being dissed

[Alf]

It was ill judged but I have seen worse jokes about potatos on here..Spudulike me to tell another?

[Cherie]

Spudulike me to tell another?

waits for the outrage...

[Kazanne]

Spudulike me to tell another?

Trust you to CHIP in Alf,:laugh:

[Beso]

waits for the outrage...

Yeah, mash will be along in a bit...pointing.

[Kizzy]

waits for the outrage...

As an Irish person the outrage is meant to come from you... :/

I don't think you have the hang of this outrage thing at all :idc:

Luckily there are those who can and do stand up for you when directly mocked. Being diminished as exhibiting 'faux' outrage shouldn't stop anyone from challenging a stereotype.

[Crimson Dynamo]

As an Irish person the outrage is meant to come from you... :/



Luckily there are those who can and do stand up for you when directly mocked.

who?

[Niamh.]

As an Irish person the outrage is meant to come from you... :/

I don't think you have the hang of this outrage thing at all :idc:

Luckily there are those who can and do stand up for you when directly mocked. Being diminished as exhibiting 'faux' outrage shouldn't stop anyone from challenging a stereotype.

Irish people generally don't get offended about the Potato stuff, although if you really think about it, it is an awful thing to joke about, over a million people actually died during the famine and another million emigrated. I think alot of people don't really know much about it though or how bad it really was

*I do really like Potatoes though :hee:

[Cherie]

As an Irish person the outrage is meant to come from you... :/

I don't think you have the hang of this outrage thing at all :idc:

Luckily there are those who can and do stand up for you when directly mocked. Being diminished as exhibiting 'faux' outrage shouldn't stop anyone from challenging a stereotype.

Are they all Senaglese complaining?


why aren't you outraged on my behalf and your own, aren't you part Irish?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Irish people generally don't get offended about the Potato stuff, although if you really think about it, it is an awful thing to joke about, over a million people actually died during the famine and another million emigrated. I think alot of people don't really know much about it though or how bad it really was

*I do really like Potatoes though :hee:

its not about the famine tho, the joke is about your love of tatties

like scots get mean and alcoholics and english get pompous royal cow-tailing milk-sops and the welsh get sheep-shagging inbreds etc

[Marsh.]

its far more about snowflakes and faux outrage/media than about racism

id say, in mo, 99.9% of people did not really get it or give 2 fcks about it

It's not really about how many people give a sh*t though is it?

Something is either racist or it isn't, regardless of how many people care or notice.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's not really about how many people give a sh*t though is it?

Something is either racist or it isn't, regardless of how many people care or notice.

and who decides that?

[Marsh.]

and who decides that?

Decides what? What's racist? Nobody. It's factual.

Like something being blue or green. It either is or it isn't.

[Marsh.]

its not about the famine tho, the joke is about your love of tatties

Of course it is. If it weren't for the famine you think the Irish would still be associated with potatoes? :joker:

[Marsh.]

Are they all Senaglese complaining?

Doubt it.

Just as I doubt Alan Sugar was suggesting all beach sellers are Senagalese.

He was referring to their skin colour/how they look. Which makes the tasteless joke racist rather than xenophobic.

[Niamh.]

its not about the famine tho, the joke is about your love of tatties

like scots get mean and alcoholics and english get pompous royal cow-tailing milk-sops and the welsh get sheep-shagging inbreds etc

Yeah I know but the whole love for Potatoes comes from the fact that back before the famine (and why the failing potato crops actually caused a famine for Irish people) Irish people were only eating potatoes because they mostly only had tiny plots of land to try and grow food to survive on and Potatoes were the only way they could produce enough to live on. Basically, why irish people are linked with Potatoes in the first place was to avoid starvation while working for British landthievesLords

[Cherie]

Doubt it.

Just as I doubt Alan Sugar was suggesting all beach sellers are Senagalese.

He was referring to their skin colour/how they look. Which makes the tasteless joke racist rather than xenophobic.

Yes it was ill judged, does it deserve all the attention it is getting, no it doesn't

[Marsh.]

Yes it was ill judged, does it deserve all the attention it is getting, no it doesn't

I never said it did.
Like I said before I don't think he intended anything other than a harmless joke. It is racist, however. And he was naive to think it wouldn't get a bad reception in the first place.

[Kizzy]

Are they all Senaglese complaining?


why aren't you outraged on my behalf and your own, aren't you part Irish?

Some , does it matter?

This 'celebrity' didn't mention potatoes, had he shown the Irish team with a few dead bodies and some rotten potatoes strewn around them then yes, I would be having a say on that.
However your glib reference doesn't inspire much outrage sorry.

[Livia]

Are they all Senaglese complaining?


why aren't you outraged on my behalf and your own, aren't you part Irish?

According to Ancestry UK, I am 5% Irish. Who Knew! No one in our family...

Anyhoo, I'm outraged Cherie. Similarly, when I wrote a song about Niamh last Christmas for Eurovision and threw just about every negative Irish stereotype at her, she was outraged too.

Oh no hang on... she laughed.

[Cherie]

As an Irish person the outrage is meant to come from you... :/

I don't think you have the hang of this outrage thing at all :idc:

Luckily there are those who can and do stand up for you when directly mocked. Being diminished as exhibiting 'faux' outrage shouldn't stop anyone from challenging a stereotype.

Some , does it matter?

This 'celebrity' didn't mention potatoes, had he shown the Irish team with a few dead bodies and some rotten potatoes strewn around them then yes, I would be having a say on that.
However your glib reference doesn't inspire much outrage sorry.


Not 5 minutes ago you were suggesting I should be outraged, I can't keep up.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of course it is. If it weren't for the famine you think the Irish would still be associated with potatoes? :joker:

Of course hence why the blight on the potato was do devastating, we did not have a whisky famine in scotland to get a rep for drink

[Marsh.]

According to Ancestry UK, I am 5% Irish. Who Knew! No one in our family...

Anyhoo, I'm outraged Cherie. Similarly, when I wrote a song about Niamh last Christmas for Eurovision and threw just about every negative Irish stereotype at her, she was outraged too.

Oh no hang on... she laughed.

Of course she laughed, she didn't want a smack in the face.

You have a reputation round here. :worry:

Whilst we're here, let poor Kizzy out of that headlock! D:

[Niamh.]

Of course hence why the blight on the potato was do devastating, we did not have a whisky famine in scotland to get a rep for drink

We have that too tbf :oh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I actually think many young people are do confused about racism that if alan sugar had tweeted

"all the players from Senegal are black"

there would have been a much bigger outrage

[Crimson Dynamo]

We have that too tbf :oh:

and fighting


:idc:

[Niamh.]

and fighting


:idc:

:laugh:

[Marsh.]

I actually think many young people are do confused about racism that if alan sugar had tweeted

"all the players from Senegal are black"

there would have been a much bigger outrage

Not really.

[Marsh.]

Tbf Irish whisky is lush.

[Alf]

Peter Fonda is in much more trouble today, for a tweet calling for Trumps young son Barron to be kidnapped and locked in a cage with paedophiles. Apparently Melania contacted secret service.

[Livia]

I think there's an 'e' in Irish whiskey, Marshy. Don't want anyone accusing you of dissing their culture x

[Livia]

Peter Fonda is much more trouble today, for a tweet calling for Trumps young son Barron to be kidnapped and locked in a cage with paedophiles. Apparently Melania contacted secret service.

Easy Rider. What a film...

[Marsh.]

Ooh, you almost made that work as a pisstake of the racism debate. Almost.

[Kizzy]

Not 5 minutes ago you were suggesting I should be outraged, I can't keep up.

So we're discussing you now and your hypothetical?...I can't keep up.

[Twosugars]

Of course hence why the blight on the potato was do devastating, we did not have a whisky famine in scotland to get a rep for drink

you do your bit to keep that reputation alive :hehe:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=487&pictureid=3602

[Crimson Dynamo]

you do your bit to keep that reputation alive :hehe:

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=487&pictureid=3602

:nono:

I have drunk hardly any whisky in the last month, under a bottle since may

:hmph:

dont ask about wine tho

[Marsh.]

:nono:

I have drunk hardly any whisky in the last month, under a bottle since may

:hmph:

dont ask about wine tho

So you're gonna hit it hard in July to make up for lost time. :clap1:

[Kazanne]

Easy Rider. What a film...

Yes and that song 'Born to be wild' Oh yes:wavey:

[Kizzy]

I actually think many young people are do confused about racism that if alan sugar had tweeted

"all the players from Senegal are black"

there would have been a much bigger outrage

Would there, why?

[Marsh.]

I love how it keeps being thrown into the face of "millennials" and the "young 'uns" that they're "snowflakes" or whatever, when a lot of the people online who originally called out the racist tweet for being racist are actually from an older generation.

But, whatever makes you feel like you're in the right I guess.

[Kizzy]

Because by patronising the opinions of those opposed to regressive points, policies or reportage it's designed to denigrate their opinion as irrelevant.

Not by actually having a counter argument that is reasoned and well thought out ... just a nonsense word will suffice for many. :)

[Marsh.]

:clap1:

[Cherie]

So we're discussing you now and your hypothetical?...I can't keep up.

You commented on it, and I responded, if you felt it was so inconsequential not sure why you bothered

[GiRTh]

Because by patronising the opinions of those opposed to regressive points, policies or reportage it's designed to denigrate their opinion as irrelevant.

Not by actually having a counter argument that is reasoned and well thought out ... just a nonsense word will suffice for many. :):clap1:

[Northern Monkey]

They won't sack him, if they do thats the Apprentice down the drain, as he puts up the money??? unless they offer BBC jobs to the winner...

Well they ruined Topgear so can’t see why they wouldn’t do it to The Apprentice.

[Northern Monkey]

PS you can’t drink Irish or Scotch Whiskey/y anymore unless you have roots there.It’s cultural appropriation.

[Marsh.]

Tbf the Apprentice is long passed its sell by date. Needed putting out of its misery years ago.

[Marsh.]

Well they ruined Topgear so can’t see why they wouldn’t do it to The Apprentice.

No. Jeremy Clarkson and his arselicking costars ruined Top Gear. He assaulted people and they followed him out the door.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No. Jeremy Clarkson and his arselicking costars ruined Top Gear. He assaulted people and they followed him out the door.

total crap

top gear is alive and well on Amazon

the BBC fckd up big time

[Marsh.]

total crap

top gear is alive and well on Amazon

the BBC fckd up big time

How's it crap? :unsure:

Jeremy Clarkson assaulted someone, got himself rightly sacked and his little lackeys followed him out the door.

That's not on the BBC, that's on them.

[Nicky91]

No. Jeremy Clarkson and his arselicking costars ruined Top Gear. He assaulted people and they followed him out the door.

umm more like the newer dull replacement presenters ruined Top Gear


Matt Leblanc and costars

[Crimson Dynamo]

umm more like the newer dull replacement presenters ruined Top Gear


Matt Leblanc and costars

:clap1:

quite right nickster

[Kizzy]

You commented on it, and I responded, if you felt it was so inconsequential not sure why you bothered

Me either.. I'm having a bad day :)

[Marsh.]

umm more like the newer dull replacement presenters ruined Top Gear


Matt Leblanc and costars

:clap1:

quite right nickster

Re-read what I said fools.

[Niamh.]

Well they ruined Topgear so can’t see why they wouldn’t do it to The Apprentice.

Jeremy Clarkson actually punched a guy he works with ffs (he did also insult him for being Irish as well on top of that) but yeah ****ing hell he attacked someone he works with, if that isn't a sackable offence I despair

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jeremy Clarkson actually punched a guy he works with ffs (he did also insult him for being Irish as well on top of that) but yeah ****ing hell he attacked someone he works with, if that isn't a sackable offence I despair
he did not work for the BBC he was freelance and it was way way out of office hours

but then he did not really care as Amazon pay him more

[Marsh.]

he did not work for the BBC he was freelance and it was way way out of office hours

Erm, no it wasn't. It was on set during filming.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Erm, no it wasn't. It was on set during filming.

no it was in a restaurant when he could not get hot food

[Niamh.]

he did not work for the BBC he was freelance and it was way way out of office hours

but then he did not really care as Amazon pay him more

The Perp assaulted someone, he shouldn't be a representative for your national TV Channel :hee:

[Marsh.]

no it was in a restaurant when he could not get hot food

Yes... at lunchtime on the Top Gear set.

[Northern Monkey]

I think Clarkson should’ve got a 3 strikes and out policy.
For instance
He could’ve got away with a jab,right cross but just no left hook.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes... at lunchtime on the Top Gear set.

no at night in a restaurant when they finished for the day

[Marsh.]

no at night in a restaurant when they finished for the dayIt was at work, when they took a break from filming and assaulted a colleague in front of all his other colleagues. Whether you want it to be true or not.

If you assault someone at work your defence can't be "we were on a dinner break". :rolleyes:

And if they weren't at work he wouldn't have been berating the producer and making it the producers problem to provide him with hot food in the first place.

But... You already know that.

[Marsh.]

I think Clarkson should’ve got a 3 strikes and out policy.
For instance
He could’ve got away with a jab,right cross but just no left hook.I think he got away with more than 3 strikes during his years at the BBC.

[Northern Monkey]

”we were on a dinner break". :rolleyes:

*Ross from Friends voice

[Marsh.]

*Ross from Friends voice:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It was at work, when they took a break from filming and assaulted a colleague in front of all his other colleagues. Whether you want it to be true or not.

If you assault someone at work your defence can't be "we were on a dinner break". :rolleyes:

And if they weren't at work he wouldn't have been berating the producer and making it the producers problem to provide him with hot food in the first place.

But... You already know that.

what you dont understand is freelance, working for someone as a freelance and tv production

yes, i already know about all of that

:smug:

[Nicky91]

what you dont understand is freelance, working for someone as a freelance and tv production

yes, i already know about all of that

:smug:

many photographers here in holland are also working as a freelance, who need to take pictures at movie premiere's, award red carpet shows, new tv show press presentations

and yes i also know what freelance means

[Twosugars]

LT, don't get why you insist on defending that ****
watch him if you like him, but he is a ****, that's common knowledge

[Marsh.]

what you dont understand is freelance, working for someone as a freelance and tv production

yes, i already know about all of that

:smug:Erm.... that doesn't make a difference.

Freelance doesn't mean he can assault colleagues and he's still an employee of the BBC being paid to host one of their shows.

An assault then led to the BBC rightfully ending their contract with this so called "Freelancer".

[BBUK-Fan]

Lord Sugar made a joke and the PC brigade of today were shook to their very core at something that they don’t like. Lord Sugar has apologised so that should be the end of it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

LT, don't get why you insist on defending that ****
watch him if you like him, but he is a ****, that's common knowledge

er No he isnt, i worked with him and know him (not now, well if I saw him I would say hello)

[Marsh.]

Lord Sugar made a joke and the PC brigade of today were shook to their very core at something that they don’t like. Lord Sugar has apologised so that should be the end of it.Yes... it's the PC brigade who made him say something racist. Of course it is.

[Niamh.]

*Ross from Friends voice

:laugh2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes... it's the PC brigade who made him say something racist. Of course it is.
its them that think its racist but then why am i surprised

[Marsh.]

its them that think its racist but then why am i surprisedOf course it is.

Rich white guy makes disparaging remark about Africans he sees beneath him. And it's not racist. Sure jan.

[Nicky91]

Of course it is.

Rich white guy makes disparaging remark about Africans he sees beneath him. And it's not racist. Sure jan.

it was a weak attempt at humour from Lord Sugar


and well said Marsh, it was definitely a racist joke from him, glad he deleted it now and apologized for it

[Jamie89]

To be fair to him he's shown with his actions over quite a long career and life that he probably isn't racist. The tweet could definitely be construed as racist though so people have the right to criticise him for it and call it out, I just doubt that that was his intent or that he's actually a racist person.

[Redway]

So much trash on this forum.

[Redway]

It's not really about how many people give a sh*t though is it?

Something is either racist or it isn't, regardless of how many people care or notice.

According to LeatherTrumpet black people reacting to racism makes them snowflakes. I bet people who protested against slavery were snowflakes and all.

Caucasian central trolls can bait away about random stuff but racism's in a different league. There's a thing called boundaries. Fool.

[kirklancaster]

To be fair to him he's shown with his actions over quite a long career and life that he probably isn't racist. The tweet could definitely be construed as racist though so people have the right to criticise him for it and call it out, I just doubt that that was his intent or that he's actually a racist person.

^ THIS - which so accurately sums up this incident for me.