View Full Version : Do you think we should have another vote on Brexit?
Matthew.
01-07-2018, 10:47 AM
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Considering we now have more information than we did when we originally had the vote 2 years ago, do you think we should have another referendum on Brexit?
RileyH
01-07-2018, 10:52 AM
I'm not a politics person but no
I voted Remain last time but I think a second vote would be too divisive and would rather we just focused our energy on getting the best possible deal rather than trying to overturn the result. Say a second referendum happened and Remain won then that would not be the end of it, half the country would be furious and feel betrayed and they'd want another vote. If you don't respect the result of the first vote then you can't expect any future vote to be respected either
Brillopad
01-07-2018, 11:14 AM
I voted Remain last time but I think a second vote would be too divisive and would rather we just focused our energy on getting the best possible deal rather than trying to overturn the result. Say a second referendum happened and Remain won then that would not be the end of it, half the country would be furious and feel betrayed and they'd want another vote. If you don't respect the result of the first vote then you can't expect any future vote to be respected either
Well said! :thumbs:
Brillopad
01-07-2018, 11:18 AM
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Considering we now have more information than we did when we originally had the vote 2 years ago, do you think we should have another referendum on Brexit?
Absolutely not - it would not be accepted by the Leavers in much the same way the original vote was not accepted by the Remainers. A third vote would be needed at least. It is not practicable and democracy doesn’t work that way.
How can anyone say we have more information - we don’t - the boundaries are even more blurred than ever. That is just the remainers saying that in the belief they have managed to scaremonger enough people to change their vote!
Withano
01-07-2018, 11:19 AM
Should really. No point going through with it if most people do not want it to happen.
chuff me dizzy
01-07-2018, 11:29 AM
You dont have a 2nd vote on a general election result so why on Brexit ? and if it went the same way would Remoaners want another and another ..........
Nicky91
01-07-2018, 11:31 AM
You dont have a 2nd vote on a general election result so why on Brexit ? and if it went the same way would Remoaners want another and another ..........
well said Chuff, i also think if it stays the same that majority wants Brexit, the moaners will want another and another
you can't go forcing other people to remain in the EU while they don't want that
Northern Monkey
01-07-2018, 11:33 AM
No,Even if the country voted to rejoin another two times and the EU let us then we’d more than likely rejoin on less favourable terms,They might not agree unless we join the Euro plus half the country would be so disenfranchised with UK democracy they probably wouldn’t vote again in a GE as they’d know their vote is pretty much worthless.
Having a second referendum would be completely undemocratic. I voted remain last time round, but if another vote was forced, i would vote to leave out of democratic principle.
Scarlett.
01-07-2018, 11:44 AM
I voted Remain, but no, Brexit is happening, let's just get on with it and make the best we can of it.
Greg!
01-07-2018, 11:51 AM
It wouldn't make sense. I think the whole thing is a shambles but a second vote wouldn't make any difference. The government and EU have spent over 2 years making preparations, we can't just turn round and go "actually no soz we don't want to leave anymore x"
Greg!
01-07-2018, 11:55 AM
Scotland going independent tho, now that's the tea
https://i.imgur.com/f8aM2aC.gif
Amy Jade
01-07-2018, 11:58 AM
Yes so I can buy a glam voting/funeral outfit
Amy Jade
01-07-2018, 12:00 PM
It wouldn't make sense. I think the whole thing is a shambles but a second vote wouldn't make any difference. The government and EU have spent over 2 years making preparations, we can't just turn round and go "actually no soz we don't want to leave anymore x"
How most tibb 'I am leaving' threads go
Matthew.
01-07-2018, 12:00 PM
Scotland going independent tho, now that's the tea
https://i.imgur.com/f8aM2aC.gif
yass
Matthew.
01-07-2018, 12:01 PM
How most tibb 'I am leaving' threads go
drag the lot!
RileyH
01-07-2018, 12:02 PM
How most tibb 'I am leaving' threads go
Jordi & BBUK-Fan clocked
https://i.imgur.com/f8aM2aC.gif
The EU is just German rule over the rest of Europe. They tried twice by force in the last century, but were stopped by outside interference. The EU is just a vessel for Germany to dominate Europe without the brute force.
My answer to this question is the same answer you'd get from the likes of Anna Soubry and Chuka Umunna if you asked them if you think we should have another vote on their seat in parliament?
Greg!
01-07-2018, 12:20 PM
My answer to this question is the same answer you'd get from the likes of Anna Soubry and Chuka Umunna if you asked them if you think we should have another vote on their seat in parliament?
"There will be in 2022, possibly before then"?
"There will be in 2022, possibly before then"?I mean, the day after they were elected into their seat, and every day after that.
smudgie
01-07-2018, 12:31 PM
No.
I voted leave, but I would feel the same if the remain vote won.
Tom4784
01-07-2018, 12:35 PM
No, people made their beds and they shouldn't get to take it back because they ignored all the obvious pitfalls of leaving because it wasn't something that they wanted to hear. They 'had enough of experts' after all, in the words of Micheal Gove.
Kizzy
01-07-2018, 04:33 PM
No, however I do hope that as suggested brexit isn't used as a power grab for powers from the devolved unions, or as an out from our hard won rights and protections in this country.
No, the system doesn't expect the voter to be completely infallible... it is dependent on their influence, but it's not like a voter can be absolutely have it all established for them before they hit the polls. It's not always a fully informed vote... it's impossible for the voter to be 100% aware of all the facts anyway at all times... not everyone can decipher information to that level or understand what it means... they only care what it means for them*. Sometimes, a vote from the gut is more than ample to get a fair result... they voted with the information they had at the time. Doing another vote will not necessarily "invalidate" the last result... if the new result were too close, then it would be very contentuous... plus if there is another referendum, it's possible that may "pollute" the waters so to speak, because then people will feel well... maybe I didn't have it right the first time, since they redid the vote. May actually suppress their vote or confuse them further, so it would not be a true result anyway...
* Now, I think the exception is when the circumstances behind the vote change entirely. Say Brexit will actually happen fundamentally different than how it was described on the ballot... then a new vote should be done, as it's technically a new referendum. Say Brexit was about leaving the union, but then became a totally new type of agreement... then it's important to get a new result I think if the actual outcome would be completely different than what was polled... unless for reason, Brexit is completely unreversible (can't go back to the EU, etc)... then I think that should probably be handled at a high court level, maybe referring to the constitution in those instances, what the default would be, etc... because then I think it would be far too technical for the voter to effectively decide...
glibberglobber
01-07-2018, 07:35 PM
No... 2 years have passed and if people really were having regrets there would be massive petitions and stuff... I haven't really noticed much change but I am not a political person
kirklancaster
01-07-2018, 09:22 PM
Having a second referendum would be completely undemocratic. I voted remain last time round, but if another vote was forced, i would vote to leave out of democratic principle.
:clap1::clap1::clap1:
hijaxers
01-07-2018, 09:26 PM
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Considering we now have more information than we did when we originally had the vote 2 years ago, do you think we should have another referendum on Brexit?
Absolutely not.
kirklancaster
01-07-2018, 09:26 PM
I'm afraid that I have to admit to being something of a ditherer when it comes to; 'Should We Brexit, Shouldn't We?' Oh......Whatever the majority think.
Shaun
01-07-2018, 09:58 PM
If there's a chance to jump out of a car that's heading towards a cliff, I'll take it.
I appreciate that it would make us look weak in the EU if we decided to remain after all, but :shrug:
Firewire
01-07-2018, 10:15 PM
Yes let's vote again!
I'm afraid that I have to admit to being something of a ditherer when it comes to; 'Should We Brexit, Shouldn't We?' Oh......Whatever the majority think.
What does this comment mean, kirk? When I think of dithering... I automatically think of pixels... not referendums
reece(:
01-07-2018, 10:33 PM
There should be a vote on the final deal terms
Brillopad
02-07-2018, 05:37 AM
Yes let's vote again!
Not happening.
kirklancaster
02-07-2018, 06:34 AM
What does this comment mean, kirk? When I think of dithering... I automatically think of pixels... not referendums
:laugh: I was being facetious, Maru. I oppose our 'membership' of the corrupt EU with every fibre of my being. To dither means to be anxiously unable to make a decision or act one way or the other.
thesheriff443
02-07-2018, 07:13 AM
No, it was a bad relationship to be in, the eu are making it difficult.
Rumours are, that it turns out that Cameron asked Obama to say "we'll go to the back of the queue"
Russian collusion eh?
arista
02-07-2018, 11:41 AM
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Considering we now have more information than we did when we originally had the vote 2 years ago, do you think we should have another referendum on Brexit?
We are not having a 2nd Vote.
Both Labour and Conservative has said no.
LibDem is so small in numbers , they do not count.
PM Cameron went on Every TV station
and Radio news telling everyone this was a Vote of a Lifetime
no other Referendum would take place.
It was made Very Clear.
As for the current PM May
she is back peddling
and could be removed
only if they get the amount of votes
The EU has confirmed we leave at 11PM
Friday 29th March 2019
FECKING FACT
Brillopad
02-07-2018, 11:43 AM
We are not having a 2nd Vote.
Both Labour and Conservative has said no.
LibDem is so small in numbers , they do not count.
PM Cameron went on Every TV station
and Radio news telling everyone this was a Vote of a Lifetime
no other Referendum would take place.
It was made Very Clear.
As for the current PM May
she is back peddling
and could be removed
only if they get the amount of votes
The EU has confirmed we leave at 11PM
Friday 29th March 2019
FECKING FACT
Well said Arista!
arista
02-07-2018, 11:44 AM
Rumours are, that it turns out that Cameron asked Obama to say "we'll go to the back of the queue"
Russian collusion eh?
Yes the Conservatives Did
as in USA its back of the Line
Its a fact , no rumor.
USA President should have stayed well away of our Politics.
arista
02-07-2018, 11:47 AM
There should be a vote on the final deal terms
Conservative and Labour
say NO.
No Vote on the Deal
with any Public.
Fact
arista
02-07-2018, 11:49 AM
If there's a chance to jump out of a car that's heading towards a cliff, I'll take it.
I appreciate that it would make us look weak in the EU if we decided to remain after all, but :shrug:
No its got Child Locks
and no windows will open.
Marsh.
02-07-2018, 11:49 AM
No.
What then? We have further new information in 2 more years so we have another vote?
When do you draw the line?
arista
02-07-2018, 11:52 AM
I voted Remain, but no, Brexit is happening, let's just get on with it and make the best we can of it.
Well done
That's The Spirit
Brillopad
02-07-2018, 11:54 AM
No its got Child Locks
and no windows will open.
It always amazes me how those not in the know act as though they are! Each side has its opinion but no one can stand up and state as a fact it will be the catastrophe they claim. It’s all supposition on their part. Even the economic ‘experts’ disagree!
Crimson Dynamo
02-07-2018, 12:10 PM
I am still smarting about Gamu on the X-Factor so its a no from me
arista
02-07-2018, 01:19 PM
Rumours are, that it turns out that Cameron asked Obama to say "we'll go to the back of the queue"
Russian collusion eh?
Its a fact now
https://e3.365dm.com/18/07/1096x616/skynews-david-cameron-barack-obama_4351147.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180702114544
[Cameron 'personally requested Obama's back of the queue Brexit warning'
An ex-White House adviser says the former PM asked Mr Obama to be pessimistic about a trade deal in April 2016.]
https://news.sky.com/story/cameron-personally-requested-obamas-back-of-the-queue-brexit-warning-11423669
no, cause we hold all the aces as it stands....
user104658
02-07-2018, 01:45 PM
no, cause we hold all the aces as it stands....
Can you elaborate on how we "hold all of the aces"?
Its a fact now
https://e3.365dm.com/18/07/1096x616/skynews-david-cameron-barack-obama_4351147.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20180702114544
[Cameron 'personally requested Obama's back of the queue Brexit warning'
An ex-White House adviser says the former PM asked Mr Obama to be pessimistic about a trade deal in April 2016.]
https://news.sky.com/story/cameron-personally-requested-obamas-back-of-the-queue-brexit-warning-11423669So the government pamphlet, celebrities and the media on side, economic doom tales and now collusion with USA and they still lost.
It would have been a much bigger percentage of votes for leave, if they'd have played fair.
Crimson Dynamo
02-07-2018, 01:59 PM
Still the attitude of the EU since we voted to leave sure has me wishing we were back in the club..
:umm2:
user104658
02-07-2018, 02:22 PM
So the government pamphlet, celebrities and the media on side, economic doom tales and now collusion with USA and they still lost.
It would have been a much bigger percentage of votes for leave, if they'd have played fair.
Pure assumption there Alf. The celeb endorsements may well have turned people off, and the message from obama was a total mis-step (I think it defiantly solidified the Leave vote more than helping Remain in any way).
LaLaLand
02-07-2018, 02:42 PM
No, that's not how a democracy works.
Stage a vote - get the result - act on it. Simple.
All of this waiting around to see if people change their mind is disgusting, massive slap in the face from all of the rich twats who are ****ting themselves about losing payouts (war criminal Tony Blair and co coming out of the woodwork to argue the result proving that).
arista
02-07-2018, 03:13 PM
No, that's not how a democracy works.
Stage a vote - get the result - act on it. Simple.
All of this waiting around to see if people change their mind is disgusting, massive slap in the face from all of the rich twats who are ****ting themselves about losing payouts (war criminal Tony Blair and co coming out of the woodwork to argue the result proving that).
Yes Blair can feck Off
he had his time.
Can you elaborate on how we "hold all of the aces"?
Aint it like 250 billion better of with a no deal....so that leaves us with 250 billion bargaining chips....or the rest of eu have 250 billion worth of begging chips.
Ts......
https://www.express.co.uk/videos/544639/QT-Businessman-says-UK-will-gain-250b-from-no-deal-Brexit
kirklancaster
02-07-2018, 04:07 PM
Yes Blair can feck Off
he had his time.
Well said, Arista - the big-eared little bent bastard should be in jail not trying every trick to stay in the public eye. He is ****ing shameless.
Kizzy
04-07-2018, 05:06 PM
Remember the guy who started the whole brexit ball rolling... the 'tw@t'?
His little club just got some new members...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservatives-sweden-democrats-european-parliament-far-right-reformist-group-a8430281.html
arista
04-07-2018, 05:11 PM
Remember the guy who started the whole brexit ball rolling... the 'tw@t'?
His little club just got some new members...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservatives-sweden-democrats-european-parliament-far-right-reformist-group-a8430281.html
Sweden has tried to stop all these new groups.
But Kizzy
look at Italy
the Right Wing Coalition
has stopped Illegal migrant
boats docking.
The EU is in a mess
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=342598
Kizzy
04-07-2018, 05:15 PM
Sweden has tried to stop all these new groups.
But Kizzy
look at Italy
the Right Wing Coalition
has stopped Illegal migrant
boats docking.
The EU is in a mess
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=342598
Yes I see the right wing expansion, we are part of it... complicit.
Vicky.
04-07-2018, 05:17 PM
I voted Remain last time but I think a second vote would be too divisive and would rather we just focused our energy on getting the best possible deal rather than trying to overturn the result. Say a second referendum happened and Remain won then that would not be the end of it, half the country would be furious and feel betrayed and they'd want another vote. If you don't respect the result of the first vote then you can't expect any future vote to be respected either
This..
arista
04-07-2018, 05:18 PM
Yes I see the right wing expansion, we are part of it... complicit.
I am not part of it.
These groups have been in this nation
from before when we were born etc.
Its much better to say
Some in the UK are united/complicit.
Twosugars
04-07-2018, 05:30 PM
Still the attitude of the EU since we voted to leave sure has me wishing we were back in the club..
:umm2:
must applaud you for some independent thinking
Twosugars
04-07-2018, 05:33 PM
Sweden has tried to stop all these new groups.
The EU is in a mess
http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=342598
The EU is not in a mess. It's simply trying to cope with a unprecedented mass migration caused by neocon policies of intervention and subsequent chaos and war.
Stop blaming the wrong people.
Kizzy
04-07-2018, 05:45 PM
I am not part of it.
These groups have been in this nation
from before when we were born etc.
Its much better to say
Some in the UK are united/complicit.
Not we as in individuals we as the ideology of our current govt.
Brillopad
04-07-2018, 06:12 PM
The EU is not in a mess. It's simply trying to cope with a unprecedented mass migration caused by neocon policies of intervention and subsequent chaos and war.
Stop blaming the wrong people.
https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-migration-refugees-drop-dead-angela-merkel-matteo-salvini-libya-italy-germany-refugees/
ff
It is in crisis. Hope it ruins Merkel as she has ruined Europe.
kirklancaster
04-07-2018, 06:23 PM
No, that's not how a democracy works.
Stage a vote - get the result - act on it. Simple.
All of this waiting around to see if people change their mind is disgusting, massive slap in the face from all of the rich twats who are ****ting themselves about losing payouts (war criminal Tony Blair and co coming out of the woodwork to argue the result proving that).
Well said, Jonnii.
There is a GREAT clandestine movement to thwart and overturn Brexit which involves the super-rich and powerful in this country and abroad who have 'vested interests' in remaining within the EU, and it is aided by their lapdogs in the Civil Service and within BOTH houses of Parliament.
Twosugars
04-07-2018, 06:51 PM
Well said, Jonnii.
There is a GREAT clandestine movement to thwart and overturn Brexit which involves the super-rich and powerful in this country and abroad who have 'vested interests' in remaining within the EU, and it is aided by their lapdogs in the Civil Service and within BOTH houses of Parliament.
I thke it must be too much sun, Kirk.
Twosugars
04-07-2018, 06:55 PM
https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-migration-refugees-drop-dead-angela-merkel-matteo-salvini-libya-italy-germany-refugees/
ff
It is in crisis. Hope it ruins Merkel as she has ruined Europe.
in your dreams, Brillo.
kirklancaster
04-07-2018, 07:07 PM
I thke it must be too much sun, Kirk.
Yep - On the brains of all you Remainers.
Brillopad
04-07-2018, 09:44 PM
in your dreams, Brillo.
I don’t think so. She’s been like a tough stain that couldn’t be Removed but I think a vanishing act might be on the horizon.
jaxie
06-07-2018, 07:34 AM
I voted leave for many reasons, but largely for the sake of democracy. Huge changes through treaties were made to this country and not once were we consulted for me that is an untenable situation. We joined a trading club and ended up in a political experiment run by Germany. The common fisheries policy shafted our fishing communities and messed with our ocean environment.
We were given a choice, leave or remain, not leave but keep all the brownies or leave and drink only German beer. Leaving and closing the door on our way out is the kind of Brexit we should be having.
No, in a democracy we don't keep voting until the losing candidate reverses the decision. We don't know more now, if we did our research and read all the things we would be informed at the time to make a decision.
Brillopad
06-07-2018, 07:56 AM
I voted leave for many reasons, but largely for the sake of democracy. Huge changes through treaties were made to this country and not once were we consulted for me that is an untenable situation. We joined a trading club and ended up in a political experiment run by Germany. The common fisheries policy shafted our fishing communities and messed with our ocean environment.
We were given a choice, leave or remain, not leave but keep all the brownies or leave and drink only German beer. Leaving and closing the door on our way out is the kind of Brexit we should be having.
No, in a democracy we don't keep voting until the losing candidate reverses the decision. We don't know more now, if we did our research and read all the things we would be informed at the time to make a decision.
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