Chester Hospital:Healthcare worker arrested on suspicion of murdering 8 babies

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/healthcare-worker-arrested-on-suspicion-of-murdering-eight-babies-11424735

[A female healthcare worker has been arrested on suspicion of murdering eight babies and attempting to murder another six.
Police said the arrest followed an ongoing investigation of the neonatal unit at the Countess of Chester Hospital, which got under way after several babies died at the hospital.
Officers were initially looking at the deaths of 15 infants between June 2015 and June 2016 when the investigation was launched in May last year]

This is terrible news

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[Livia]

That "healthcare worker" is a nurse. This is the NHS being obstructive as ever. I'm pleased this story is out. The NHS, for all the great work it does, closes ranks under accusation.

[Vicky.]

Oh this is so awful..just why on earth would someone do this..

[Livia]

It was bad enough hearing about the doctor who killed all those elderly people and was repremanded, but not struck off. But to hear of someone killing babies... I can't get my head around it.

[Vicky.]

It was bad enough hearing about the doctor who killed all those elderly people and was repremanded, but not struck off. But to hear of someone killing babies... I can't get my head around it.

Yeah I just said that to Gavin..like..its not as bad when its adults they are killing, but babies in the neonatal unit..who are already chance to be fighting for their lives (neonatal is where the seriously premature babies go right?)..its just unthinkable really.

[Niamh.]

Yeah I just said that to Gavin..like..its not as bad when its adults they are killing, but babies in the neonatal unit..who are already chance to be fighting for their lives (neonatal is where the seriously premature babies go right?)..its just unthinkable really.

100% what kind of a mind must this "person" have to so something like that

[Kazanne]

This story is quite disturbing and scarey, the poor parents of these babies.

[Amy Jade]

I have loads of mutual friends with her on facebook. This is so messed up, I will never understand how anyone could want to harm an innocent baby.

I can't see much of her page but my friend said she was always sharing posts about baby care units and the NHS and how nurses need support. Sick bitch.

[LaLaLand]

Innocent until proven guilty, yet social media want her head.

Will hold my opinion until we know more.

[Nicky91]

this story is very disturbing, who would even want to kill poor innocent babies

[LaLaLand]

She's been released on bail.

[arista]

She's been released on bail.


Thats so wrong.

[GoldHeart]

This story is quite disturbing and scarey, the poor parents of these babies.

It reminds me of a old story years of a nurse who was a serial killer
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/06/ukcrime.health

Both stories are horrible and disturbing :shocked:

[LaLaLand]

Thats so wrong.

Why? They don't have 100% hard evidence to charge her or they clearly would have with the number of deaths.

[LaLaLand]

It reminds me of a old story years of a nurse who was a serial killer
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/06/ukcrime.health

Both stories are horrible and disturbing :shocked:

I remember her! Pure evil.

[RichardG]

Why? They don't have 100% hard evidence to charge her or they clearly would have with the number of deaths.

That's what worried me yesterday when watching the news reports, the frequent use of the word 'suspected'. You shouldn't be allowed to broadcast someones face all over the television and the internet next to such severe accusations unless they've been charged and convicted. If she's innocent, she'll never be able to move on from this.

[LaLaLand]

That's what worried me yesterday when watching the news reports, the frequent use of the word 'suspected'. You shouldn't be allowed to broadcast someones face all over the television and the internet next to such severe accusations unless they've been charged and convicted. If she's innocent, she'll never be able to move on from this.

I agree, her identity should only be revealed if and when she's charged in a court of law.

-If- she's innocent and this is somehow one big mix-up or misunderstanding, her life is absolutely over.

[Brillopad]

https://news.sky.com/story/healthcare-worker-arrested-on-suspicion-of-murdering-eight-babies-11424735

[A female healthcare worker has been arrested on suspicion of murdering eight babies and attempting to murder another six.
Police said the arrest followed an ongoing investigation of the neonatal unit at the Countess of Chester Hospital, which got under way after several babies died at the hospital.
Officers were initially looking at the deaths of 15 infants between June 2015 and June 2016 when the investigation was launched in May last year]

This is terrible news

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It’s early days - she’s been arrested not charged - nevermind found guilty. Let’s not do a trial by newspaper shall we.

[GoldHeart]

I agree, her identity should only be revealed if and when she's charged in a court of law.

-If- she's innocent and this is somehow one big mix-up or misunderstanding, her life is absolutely over.

It's one hell of a F UP ! if this is one big "mistake " . And i feel that's unlikely otherwise why did they arrest her in the first place? , they must of had good reason :suspect: she must of behaved guilty .

[kirklancaster]

That's what worried me yesterday when watching the news reports, the frequent use of the word 'suspected'. You shouldn't be allowed to broadcast someones face all over the television and the internet next to such severe accusations unless they've been charged and convicted. If she's innocent, she'll never be able to move on from this.

:clap1::clap1::clap1: It is time that the law was changed to prevent this from happening, Richard. It is wrong and unfair.

[Brillopad]

It's one hell of a F UP ! if this is one big "mistake " . And i feel that's unlikely otherwise why did they arrest her in the first place? , they must of had good reason :suspect: she must of behaved guilty .

Out of interest have you ever felt guilty about something when you’re not - I know I have. You feel some people think you are and almost believe it yourself except you know you’re not. Coincidence often gets misconstrued by those with an agenda.

[Kazanne]

Out of interest have you ever felt guilty about something when you’re not - I know I have. You feel some people think you are and almost believe it yourself except you know you’re not. Coincidence often gets misconstrued by those with an agenda.

Yes brillo,I have felt that:wavey:

[Brillopad]

Yes brillo,I have felt that:wavey:

It’s horrible Kaz - so frustrating! :shrug:

[kirklancaster]

Out of interest have you ever felt guilty about something when you’re not - I know I have. You feel some people think you are and almost believe it yourself except you know you’re not. Coincidence often gets misconstrued by those with an agenda.

If she is eventually found innocent of any wrongdoing, there will always be some people who have the IQ of a peanut that do not keep abreast of current affairs who will know that she has been accused of this but not that she has been cleared.

If she is eventually found innocent of any wrongdoing, there will always also be some people who KNOW that she has been cleared but do not accept it because 'There Is No Smoke Without Fire' in their minds.

Anonymity, until proved guilty in a Court of Law, is THE only way to protect an innocent person from both categories of the above.

And innocent people who have been WRONGLY accused of such heinous crimes NEED protecting.

[Brillopad]

If she is eventually found innocent of any wrongdoing, there will always be some people who have the IQ of a peanut that do not keep abreast of current affairs who will know that she has been accused of this but not that she has been cleared.

If she is eventually found innocent of any wrongdoing, there will always also be some people who KNOW that she has been cleared but do not accept it because 'There Is No Smoke Without Fire' in their minds.

Anonymity, until proved guilty in a Court of Law, is THE only way to protect an innocent person from both categories of the above.

And innocent people who have been WRONGLY accused of such heinous crimes NEED protecting.

I agree Kirk. I just ask myself - WHY - it makes no sense. All that training for what! I just can’t get my head round what she has been accused of. If she had any kind of ‘history’ it is unlikely she would have been accepted into a training programme.

Why would an intelligent capable woman with a promising future start killing babies! Surely someone that disturbed wouldn’t have slipped between the cracks! I would really like to know what ‘evidence’ they have!

[GoldHeart]

Out of interest have you ever felt guilty about something when you’re not - I know I have. You feel some people think you are and almost believe it yourself except you know you’re not. Coincidence often gets misconstrued by those with an agenda.

But it's such a serious horrible crime to be accused of , the point I'm making is the police must of had some lead ?! . I don't know what to make of the whole thing . I keep thinking about the poor babies .

[jaxie]

You read and hear of lots of horrible crimes but it's cases like this I find hardest to understand, even where wrong doing is proved you think surely not because it seems to unbelievable that anyone would set out to hurt babies.

[jaxie]

If she is eventually found innocent of any wrongdoing, there will always be some people who have the IQ of a peanut that do not keep abreast of current affairs who will know that she has been accused of this but not that she has been cleared.

If she is eventually found innocent of any wrongdoing, there will always also be some people who KNOW that she has been cleared but do not accept it because 'There Is No Smoke Without Fire' in their minds.

Anonymity, until proved guilty in a Court of Law, is THE only way to protect an innocent person from both categories of the above.

And innocent people who have been WRONGLY accused of such heinous crimes NEED protecting.

I agree they shouldn't name names. Remember the poor guy who was named and photo'd all over the press for the murder of Rachel Nickell in front of her toddler? He was tried by press, hounded, the police tried to get him with a honey trap and it turned out that it had nothing to do with him. Poor man. Being a bit weird isn't a crime.

[GoldHeart]

You read and hear of lots of horrible crimes but it's cases like this I find hardest to understand, even where wrong doing is proved you think surely not because it seems to unbelievable that anyone would set out to hurt babies.

Exactly, and it isn't just one baby she's accused of harming or killing ( which would still be horrible) , but 8 BABIES!!! :shocked: . And it only seems to be her they've accused , they must of had a serious suspicion about her ! .

[LaLaLand]

She was rearrested a few days ago, three new potential attempted murders...

A nurse has been rearrested by police investigating the deaths of babies at the Countess of Chester Hospital's neo-natal unit.

Lucy Letby was first arrested in July last year on suspicion of the murder of eight babies and the attempted murder of another six.

She has now been rearrested in connection with the attempted murder of three additional babies, police said.

Cheshire Police are probing the deaths of 17 infants between 2015 and 2016.

The force launched an investigation two years ago and officers are also investigating 16 non-fatal collapses at the neonatal unit during the same period of March 2015 to July 2016.

Ms Letby, originally from Hereford, had been on bail since July after her home in Chester was searched by police.

A spokesman for the Countess of Chester Hospital said it was "co-operating fully" with the investigation.

Det Insp Paul Hughes said the investigation was "extremely challenging" and that parents of all the babies were being kept fully updated.

"We fully appreciate that it continues to have a big impact on all those involved - including the families of the babies, staff and patients at the hospital as well as members of the public," he said.

"This is an extremely difficult time for all the families and it is important to remember that, at the heart of this, there are a number of bereaved families seeking answers as to what happened to their children."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-48580787

[bots]

i don't understand why she was allowed out. Those are serious crimes she is charged with

[arista]

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[arista]

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[thesheriff443]

The trial is expected to take 6 months

[arista]

The trial is expected to take 6 months

Too long

[arista]

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[LaLaLand]

The details of this case thus far are just harrowing. Jesus.

[arista]

The details of this case thus far are just harrowing. Jesus.


Yes so Evil.

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

If she's guilty then I hope that she never gets out.

[LaLaLand]

Crazy to think this is literally up the road from me and I've had friends give birth on those very wards when this woman's been working there. Makes my skin crawl at the thought. :sad:

[bots]

sick, evil woman. I don't think there is a worse crime than murdering the sick and vulnerable

[thesheriff443]

sick, evil woman. I don't think there is a worse crime than murdering the sick and vulnerable

This countries governments have been doing that for years

[Mystic Mock]

Crazy to think this is literally up the road from me and I've had friends give birth on those very wards when this woman's been working there. Makes my skin crawl at the thought. :sad:

Thankfully she didn't get the chance to hurt any of those kids.

[Niamh.]

So evil, those poor parents as well, already so worried that their babies won't survive only to find out the one who was there to help them did something like that.

[UserSince2005]

evil bitch. evil nhs

[hijaxers]

Crazy to think this is literally up the road from me and I've had friends give birth on those very wards when this woman's been working there. Makes my skin crawl at the thought. :sad:

Oh yes absolutely ~ its very hard to get your head around how or why she would do this, causing grief for so many familes . Totally heartless vile woman and i hope she gets a life sentence for everyone of those poor little babies.

[Zizu]

If found guilty of these despicable crimes I really don’t think that a life sentence ( out after 10 years possibly) is anywhere severe enough sentence …


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[Crimson Dynamo]

What was her motivation?

Did she want the drama/attention?

[hijaxers]

If found guilty of these despicable crimes I really don’t think that a life sentence ( out after 10 years possibly) is anywhere severe enough sentence …


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A life sentence for each life she took should deal with that ! about a hundred years minimum would be about right.

[arista]

Well done the Mother
catching that Evil Nurse about to Pump in
Oxygen to her baby.

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

What was her motivation?

Did she want the drama/attention?

She probably couldn't handle the job and suffered a mental breakdown in the process.

It's speculation on my part of course.

[Zizu]

Gets worse


Hear today's evidence from the Lucy Letby murder trial @bbcnwt at 6.30 pm from our reporter Andy Gill@MerseyHack.

The jury's heard the nurse tried four times to kill a "resilient" baby which died after the fourth attempt. She denies all the charges.


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[Niamh.]

A life sentence for each life she took should deal with that ! about a hundred years minimum would be about right.And I can't understand why they wouldn't charge her with the murder of each life she took

[Niamh.]

Gets worse


Hear today's evidence from the Lucy Letby murder trial @bbcnwt at 6.30 pm from our reporter Andy Gill@MerseyHack.

The jury's heard the nurse tried four times to kill a "resilient" baby which died after the fourth attempt. She denies all the charges.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ProThat's heartbreaking

[GoldHeart]

Does anyone remember the serial baby killer Beverly Allit , that's what this reminds me of.

How can anyone deliberately kill innocent babies, twisted & grim .

[Zizu]

That's heartbreaking


That’s an extra THREE life sentences !


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[LaLaLand]

Does anyone remember the serial baby killer Beverly Allit , that's what this reminds me of.

How can anyone deliberately kill innocent babies, twisted & grim .

Yeah I do. She's eligible for parole now! :omgno: Crazy.

[Kazanne]

This is a terribly sad story, those poor little mites fighting for life and she snuffs them out, and one little girl she tried to kill 3 times and she fought to live then succumbed to this vile person the forth time, I would be absolutely devastated if one of those babies were mine and would happily do time for this low life excuse for a human.

[arista]

Police found notes in her home including one
that said: ''I AM EVIL I DID THIS''

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/13/11/63337601-11310989-Children_s_nurse_Lucy_Letby_pictured_left_and_righ t_32_is_allege-a-12_1665657424378.jpg

Reporters said she showed No Emotion?

She is Pleading Not Guilty

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11311879/Deaths-babies-hospital-Lucy-Letby-worked-coincidence.html

[GoldHeart]

Police found notes in her home including one
that said: ''I AM EVIL I DID THIS''

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/13/11/63337601-11310989-Children_s_nurse_Lucy_Letby_pictured_left_and_righ t_32_is_allege-a-12_1665657424378.jpg

Reporters said she showed No Emotion?

She is Pleading Not Guilty

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11311879/Deaths-babies-hospital-Lucy-Letby-worked-coincidence.html

:umm2: But still pleading 'Not Guilty ' , she's probably laughing at the justice system ..as she knows she's got nothing to worry about :bored: . Watch her get a super light sentence.

[LaLaLand]

Police found notes in her home including one
that said: ''I AM EVIL I DID THIS''

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/13/11/63337601-11310989-Children_s_nurse_Lucy_Letby_pictured_left_and_righ t_32_is_allege-a-12_1665657424378.jpg

Reporters said she showed No Emotion?

She is Pleading Not Guilty

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11311879/Deaths-babies-hospital-Lucy-Letby-worked-coincidence.html

What makes it more terrifying for me is how she looks like the most innocent, angelic girl next door. Man…

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

Any update on this evil creature ?

Sentence length ?

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[arista]

Still in Court
[Lucy Letby is currently on trial at Manchester Crown Court.]

[Lucy Letby: Nurse rejected
baby move suggestion, jury told]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-64899099

[Zizu]

Why on Earth has it taken 7 years to get to court ?!


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[arista]

Why on Earth has it taken 7 years to get to court ?!



Going through each
case

[Zizu]

Going through each
case


Ahh


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[arista]

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[arista]

In Court again,
she claims when Child A
had trouble
she was shocked??????
She became tearful.

She denies all charges
In court Next week

Evil Women


Ref: Ch5HDnews Live Reporter Outside the Court

[arista]

Found Guilty

to be Sentenced on Monday

She murdered babies just born.


Lucy was not in Court today
she refused to go to court
Judge could not force her

[joeysteele]

Horrific and tragic.

[UserSince2005]

All circumstantial evidence. Let hope the Manchester prosecution haven’t cocked this up like they did that guy they accused as a rapist and locked up for 15 years

[Gusto Brunt]

I don't believe in God or the Devil, but I understand what people mean when they say 'the Devil comes in many forms'.

By that they mean evil beyond words. Under the guise of innocence and normality.

To look at her she looks like an average, 'normal' young woman but inside exists a monster.

Shame we don't have the Death Penality.

[arista]

I don't believe in God or the Devil, but I understand what people mean when they say 'the Devil comes in many forms'.

By that they mean evil beyond words. Under the guise of innocence and normality.

To look at her she looks like an average, 'normal' young woman but inside exists a monster.

Shame we don't have the Death Penality.


Yes real shame,

[Zizu]

I don't believe in God or the Devil, but I understand what people mean when they say 'the Devil comes in many forms'.

By that they mean evil beyond words. Under the guise of innocence and normality.

To look at her she looks like an average, 'normal' young woman but inside exists a monster.

Shame we don't have the Death Penality.


There is only one punishment fit for this monster ..

Killed 7 babies , attempted to murder another 6 ( at least) .

I hope that they do a thorough investigation on all the times she was on duty for years ..


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[Zizu]

Found Guilty

to be Sentenced on Monday

She murdered babies just born.


Lucy was not in Court today
she refused to go to court
Judge could not force her


Only in this country ….


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[UserSince2005]

her friend said on BBC that she knows her very well and she definitely didnt do it.

This is all very strange.

[Zizu]

her friend said on BBC that she knows her very well and she definitely didnt do it.

This is all very strange.


Maybe her friend is as unhinged as she is


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[rusticgal]

Seems like the Hospital have a lot to answer to….had they listened to senior Doctors instead of taking her side and protecting their own reputation and that of the Hospital some of these innocent young lives could have been saved.

[UserSince2005]

Seems like the Hospital have a lot to answer to….had they listened to senior Doctors instead of taking her side and protecting their own reputation and that of the Hospital some of these innocent young lives could have been saved.

Yes something was seriously wrong and they just ignored it as more babies died. Disgusted by the NHS on a daily basis it seems nowadays

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

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Maybe there should be some additional prosecutions ??


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[Gusto Brunt]

Yes real shame,

There is only one punishment fit for this monster ..

Killed 7 babies , attempted to murder another 6 ( at least) .

I hope that they do a thorough investigation on all the times she was on duty for years ..


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She is of course a psychopath, which is a mental illness. None the less it's going to cost millions to keep alive until she dies naturally. But that could be when she's 95!

[arista]

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[MTVN]

her friend said on BBC that she knows her very well and she definitely didnt do it.

This is all very strange.

Yeah I saw that and this case is proper unusual. The odd thing is no motive being assigned to it and she started killing them 3 years after first working on the ward but there's no obvious triggers to start the spree.

There'll be so much true crime content about this in the years to come I think

[Crimson Dynamo]

time for the lags at her prison to step up

[bots]

i don't think there is anything worse than murdering new born babies

[Zizu]

i don't think there is anything worse than murdering new born babies


It may sound heartless but after the horrifyingly cruel things she’s done to those poor , innocent babies I don’t think she even deserves to live …


Those poor tiny babies , parents and families


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[UserSince2005]

i don't think there is anything worse than murdering new born babies

If the younger the worse then murdering unborn babies is surely the worse of the worse.

[arista]

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[Cal.]

What good can come from keeping this tramp breathing?

Just heard on the radio she’s refusing to attend her own sentencing. Drag her there kicking and screaming! Those families deserve to watch her face justice.

[Niamh.]

What good can come from keeping this tramp breathing?

Just heard on the radio she’s refusing to attend her own sentencing. Drag her there kicking and screaming! Those families deserve to watch her face justice.Indeed. Since when are you allowed to not show up to your own murder trial anyway? Wtf

[arista]

Tomorrow
Monday the Judge,
gives that Murder Women
her sentence.

She will not be in court for that.

[bots]

you can be tried in your absence, so there is no legal requirement to attend any of the trial

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[LaLaLand]

you can be tried in your absence, so there is no legal requirement to attend any of the trial

And it's absolutely ridiculous. If you're in court for a serious crime especially, you should be there in person to face the consequences.

They should drag her to that dock whether she likes it or not. Makes my blood boil how we're so lenient with criminals, in particular monsters like this one.

[Niamh.]

Wow this is awful, imagine some of these babies could still be alive if the hospital hadn't tried to brush it under the carpet. I hope they get sued to **** by the parents

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[bots]

the impact statements from the bereaved and affected is over whelming

[Niamh.]

the impact statements from the bereaved and affected is over whelming

I don't understand how she's allowed to stay away, she should be forced to listen to that (not that it would even effect her, if she's someone who's capable murdering those helpless little babies in the first place)

[bots]

I don't understand how she's allowed to stay away, she should be forced to listen to that (not that it would even effect her, if she's someone who's capable murdering those helpless little babies in the first place)

in a way, it will get her the maximum sentence possible, because she is trying to control events of the trial, and the judge wont look leniently on that

[arista]

I don't understand how she's allowed to stay away, she should be forced to listen to that (not that it would even effect her, if she's someone who's capable murdering those helpless little babies in the first place)


PM Sunak
could have brought a Law in
it would have taken 2 days
in Parliament
and would have the backing of MP's


PM Sunak is at fault.

[Niamh.]

in a way, it will get her the maximum sentence possible, because she is trying to control events of the trial, and the judge wont look leniently on that

I hope so. She should never be let out. She should be sentenced separately for each baby she killed

[user104658]

The thing is legally its basically impossible to make attendance mandatory without also making it necessary - if that makes sense. So if you make it that the criminal can't choose to be absent from the legal process, you also make it that if the criminal CANNOT attend in person (e.g. poor health or simply too dangerous/volatile) then the trial and/or sentencing has to be delayed indefinitely.

In terms of a trade off, it's better to have it non-compulsory.

Also the perceived benefit to family can end up actually being harmful, because what they're looking for is that catharsis of seeing the perpetrator being broken/devastated when sentenced but often they don't get that. Often met with someone who is dissociating (totally blank) or unrepentant and even mocking/taunting.

[arista]

This Judge
has finally getting to the sentence


Whole Life in Prison
She is to die in prison

[Zizu]

This Judge
has finally getting to the sentence


Whole Life in Prison
She is to die in prison


Sooner rather than later , hopefully

They got to that other monster Peter Sutcliffe eventually


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[Niamh.]

This Judge
has finally getting to the sentence


Whole Life in Prison
She is to die in prison

Good news

[bots]

in 10 years, the prison service will say she is a model prisoner and that she regrets her actions and they will let her out

[The Slim Reaper]

Life in prison is the only sensible sentence. The state shouldn't be killing people, even if they are guilty of the most heinous of crimes.

[AnnieK]

the impact statements from the bereaved and affected is over whelming

I had to stop reading them....it was heartbreaking to read, how they have lived through it is beyond me. I don't agree with the death penalty but there is a few exceptions I would make

[Crimson Dynamo]

she should be shot in the back of her head and her body burned

[hijaxers]

No doubt she'll appeal ~ i think no show for sentencing should cancel any grounds for appeal for this evil woman.

[Niamh.]

Life in prison is the only sensible sentence. The state shouldn't be killing people, even if they are guilty of the most heinous of crimes.

I agree but I think for cases where multiple crimes were committed like in this case, they should get a sentence for each crime and those sentences should run back to back not at the same time

[Redway]

I have no words.

[Gusto Brunt]

It's crazy we have a law that says a convicted killer decides to attend court or not.

Madness.

I was spitting feathers when the Judge was talking 'to her' in her absence. Her choice. Who the fook does she think she is!

[Livia]

she should be shot in the back of her head and her body burned

I agree.

[user104658]

The death sentence should never even be an option unless there's no question of guilt (i.e. caught red handed). For any crime. Trials by jury on balance of evidence are not, have never been and never will be infallible and there are waaay too many documented miscarriages of justice to be killing people based on a jury verdict. You just never hear about most of the overturned convictions. Not juicy enough for the press.

Not making a comment on this case in particular; just the idea of capital punishment vs jury of peers in general.

Put it this way; your jury could be made up of 10 random TiBB members.

F* **.

[Zizu]

The death sentence should never even be an option unless there's no question of guilt (i.e. caught red handed). For any crime. Trials by jury on balance of evidence are not, have never been and never will be infallible and there are waaay too many documented miscarriages of justice to be killing people based on a jury verdict. You just never hear about most of the overturned convictions. Not juicy enough for the press.

Not making a comment on this case in particular; just the idea of capital punishment vs jury of peers in general.

Put it this way; your jury could be made up of 10 random TiBB members.

F* **.


What about those monsters who beheaded one of our soldiers on broad daylight … encouraging passers-by to video their slaughter


The last I heard is that the British taxpayers were paying for their appeal costs !!!

Aghhhhhhh !!!! No

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[user104658]

What about those monsters who beheaded one of our soldiers on broad daylight … encouraging passers-by to video their slaughter


I think that would surely fall under the category of "caught red handed" ...

I'm against capital punishment in general but LESS against it when there's 100% concrete unquestionable guilt.

"Found guilty on balance of evidence by a jury" is not unquestionable guilt, miscarriages of justice are uncovered regularly, and verdicts are overturned. The justice system is not infallible, and gets it wrong from time to time.

Likewise if we are going to let our authorities end lives, it should at the very least always be for level-headed reasoning (i.e. an individual is simply too dangerous to continue existing safely). Not out of emotion/outrage/anger.

[bots]

as long as evidence can be faked/planted there is always room for doubt in the process. I know that's extremely unlikely as the police never do anything wrong

[The Slim Reaper]

The state shouldn't be murdering people, full stop. Matching barbarism with barbarism is revenge, not justice.

[Zizu]

So the victims families are distraught as they don’t get to share their victim impact statements as she CHOSE not to attend court !

The judge said that he would pass on their letters to that murdering bitch … you couldn’t make it up !!


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[joeysteele]

She certainly is the lowest of the low.
However she is likely to have an extremely hard time in prison.

No matter the crimes of murder that other prisoners are in prison for.
Most of them hate with a passion child killers.
It will be arranged that it will be made known what she is in for.
So unless she is watched or confined alone 24/7, she will likely be in terror in prison.

She will be hated, even moreso once it's known it's babies in her care she murdered.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The state shouldn't be murdering people, full stop. Matching barbarism with barbarism is revenge, not justice.

its justice and closure for victims which is the prime motivation, liberal morality signaling is not welcome

also it saves taxpayers millions

[AnnieK]

its justice and closure for victims which is the prime motivation, liberal morality signaling is not welcome

also it saves taxpayers millions

It costs far more (many millions in fact) to execute prisoners in the States than to imprison them for life due to the complexity of the appeals process. I would imagine we would have to do the same process as every prisoner has the right to appeal.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It costs far more (many millions in fact) to execute prisoners in the States than to imprison them for life due to the complexity of the appeals process. I would imagine we would have to do the same process as every prisoner has the right to appeal.

then simply dont ape the failed USA system, there is no need to and we are not the USA

[Crimson Dynamo]

enjoy..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12428235/Lucy-Letby-jailed-prison-fellow-serial-killer-Joanna-Dennehy-Rose-West-Baby-Ps-mother-served-time-HMP-Low-Newton-inmates-sleep-pink-cells-chance-pet-baby-animals.html

[The Slim Reaper]

its justice and closure for victims which is the prime motivation, liberal morality signaling is not welcome

also it saves taxpayers millions

Morality signalling?

You're so weird at times, LT. Why is it that you and every other far right loon gets to speak with certainties and conviction, but any one with an opposing view doesn't really believe it and is only signalling?

You've just made those reasons up. It doesn't guarantee closure for any grieving parent, and justice is the prison sentence. Anything more than that is a search for revenge.

[bots]

30-40 years in prison will be a far greater punishment than a quick russian style bullet to the head

[Crimson Dynamo]

30-40 years in prison will be a far greater punishment than a quick russian style bullet to the head

bollocks

[Crimson Dynamo]

Morality signalling?

You're so weird at times, LT. Why is it that you and every other far right loon gets to speak with certainties and conviction, but any one with an opposing view doesn't really believe it and is only signalling?

You've just made those reasons up. It doesn't guarantee closure for any grieving parent, and justice is the prison sentence. Anything more than that is a search for revenge.

if you can't make a point without an insult id wager you dont have one..

[The Slim Reaper]

if you can't make a point without an insult id wager you dont have one..

Where is the insult?

This is what you do every time without fail and anyone with eyes can see it. The problem is you're unable to think beyond your own post, so you're just not equipped to discuss anything. You either pretend to be outraged and slighted - see above, or you reply with a joker smiley.

Grown ass man, dude; it's time to grow up a little.

[Zizu]

30-40 years in prison will be a far greater punishment than a quick russian style bullet to the head


Not if she’s living the life of Riley as she’ll be in danger living on the normal cell block


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[joeysteele]

30-40 years in prison will be a far greater punishment than a quick russian style bullet to the head


I agree with this, especially as to her case.

[Jordan.]

its justice and closure for victims which is the prime motivation, liberal morality signaling is not welcome

also it saves taxpayers millions

Meanwhile one of the victims statements

'We hope you live a very long life and spend every single day suffering for what you have done.'

[user104658]

its justice and closure for victims which is the prime motivation, liberal morality signaling is not welcome

also it saves taxpayers millions

There's zero evidence of any kind that the death sentence offered closure for grieving families and in fact most report that it simply doesn't.

What can it possibly offer?

Either you don't believe in the after llife in which case you have to understand that death means nothing to the dead... Or you do believe in an afterlife, in which case you surely believe they're going to the bad version of that, and for eternity, and will go there when they die regardless... In which case, sending them there a couple of decades early is again meaningless.

And this is in fact how most families of victims feel after a death sentence is carried out. Hollow, nothing. It changes nothing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There's zero evidence of any kind that the death sentence offered closure for grieving families and in fact most report that it simply doesn't.

What can it possibly offer?

Either you don't believe in the after llife in which case you have to understand that death means nothing to the dead... Or you do believe in an afterlife, in which case you surely believe they're going to the bad version of that, and for eternity, and will go there when they die regardless... In which case, sending them there a couple of decades early is again meaningless.

And this is in fact how most families of victims feel after a death sentence is carried out. Hollow, nothing. It changes nothing.



and zero the other way

buy why not ask them?

"would you rather the woman who killed your baby died or spent the next 40 years watching sky sports, playing wordle, reading books, wanking to porn and participating in forums"?

i am taking a guess rather than listening to milksop liberals

[thesheriff443]

Killing murderers does not stop others from murdering and it can never bring the victim back

It’s easy to say kill them when you are not doing the killing
If you was offered the job to kill them I think most wouldn’t want to do it.

[thesheriff443]

I will add, killing someone that is trying to kill you or your family is totally acceptable to me

[Swan]

One of the saddest things is this woman will have countless documentaries and murder porn programs made about her over the coming years, the victims and their families will be forgotten about, but their pain and grief will be exploited for profit for many years to come focusing on this evil scumbag.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4FqGzHWEAEU9hm?format=jpg&name=900x900

[user104658]

I will add, killing someone that is trying to kill you or your family is totally acceptable to me

I agree sheriff for me there's only one acceptable reason to kill another human, and that's to protect someone else from being harmed by them. Like if someone walked in on her trying to harm a baby and the only way to stop her was to shoot her, by all means, shoot her.

But to do it as punishment? I just don't understand, really. Like I said, a dead person isn't upset that they're dead... they're just dead. If anything the only people further punished by executing her would be her own parents... and despite LT's insistence otherwise, I just don't think it offers any real benefit to the families of the victims to make it worth it.


And again I would add the caveat that it should never be done on trials by evidence/jury because the verdict IS sometimes wrong. As before that's not me passing comment on this particular case, just pointing out that it does happen, and there are examples of people being executed and then further evidence casting doubt that they were guilty, and a few rare examples of it being outright proven that they were NOT guilty, both in the US and here in the UK when we still had capital punishment.

[Swan]

VYpUtfC7TNE

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Zizu]

This monster has cost £1.5 million in court costs and a further £2 million for her legal aid fees !!

Aghhhh !!!


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[arista]

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[UserSince2005]

All circumstantial evidence. Let hope the Manchester prosecution haven’t cocked this up like they did that guy they accused as a rapist and locked up for 15 years

Looks like they have proper ****ed this up given all the recent news speculation.

She will be out before long most likely.

[arista]

BBC News Text:
[The paper's main story is an exclusive about
a potential upcoming documentary on Lucy Letby,
the British nurse who was sentenced
to 15 whole life terms after being convicted
of killing seven babies and trying
to kill seven more.
Sources tell the Mirror that Netflix is
"working with production company ITN"
to deliver it.]


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[UserSince2005]

Netflix going to expose our NHS and Judicial system. This is going to be juicy.
If it can happen to Lucy it’s can happen to us.
If it can happen to those poor babies it can happen to our babies.
Time to expose the true evil in this country!

[Livia]

The NHS is a mess on every level. It's prime for both crimes and mistakes to happen. I do not trust the NHS and that's a sad thing for a Brit to say.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[user104658]

Whole thing still stinks of scapegoating for massive systemic failures. In my opinion.

[arista]

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[Cherie]

Looks like a miscarriage of justice

Lucy Letby's lawyers and an independent panel of medical experts have presented "new medical evidence" in the case of the killer nurse that they say casts doubt on her conviction.

https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=299&q=lucy+letby+new+evidence&cvid=0f46904451e04ee383e6a8d3a26d8533&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgcIABAAGPkHMgcIABAAGPkHMgYIARBFGD kyBggCEC4YQDIGCAMQABhAMgYIBBAAGEAyBggFEAAYQDIGCAYQ ABhAMgYIBxAAGEAyBggIEAAYQNIBCDUyMzVqMGoxqAIIsAIB&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=LCTS

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dan Wootton DANwootton

Many people will not want to hear this, but I repeat after months of my own research...
LUCY LETBY IS INNOCENT AND HAS BEEN SUBJECTED TO ONE OF THE BIGGEST MISCARRIAGES OF JUSTICE IN BRITISH HISTORY.
I know how difficult this is to accept because it smashes your trust in the NHS, MSM and UK judiciary.
But that is the reality.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gi8LfA2XgAAVgHW?format=jpg&name=small

https://x.com/danwootton/status/1886739523561779464

[UserSince2005]

evil NHS makes me sick

[Cherie]

Lucy Letby did not murder a single baby, experts have claimed.

Presenting “significant new medical evidence” in the case of the convicted killer, a panel of experts in the care of newborn babies alleged that they had died as a result of the poor care they had received.

On Tuesday, analysis conducted by a committee of 14 neonatologists was revealed at a press conference in central London.

Letby, 35, from Hereford, is serving 15 whole-life orders for the murder of seven infants and attempted murder of seven others at the Countess of Chester Hospital between June 2015 and June 2016.

But Dr Shoo Lee, a Canadian neonatologist whose work was cited by the prosecution in the original trial, was critical of the care received by the babies and told the hearing that his work had been misinterpreted and misused by the Crown Prosecution Service.


“In our opinion, the medical opinion, the medical evidence doesn’t support murder in any of these babies – just natural causes and bad medical care.”

During the hearing, Dr Lee talked through a number of the babies and listed failings in the care provided to them or natural causes. In one case, he said doctors had failed to spot a dangerous bacterial infection in one baby, who later died, saying it was a “preventable death”.

The Telegraph

[Crimson Dynamo]

well this is turning into a sh1t show and no mistake

[Niamh.]

Jesus, how awful for her if that's true. What a thing to be wrongly convicted of

[bots]

it's one of those situations that you just don't know how to react. The original trial jury must have been convinced by the evidence that was presented to them, what has changed now. I don't think anything has changed

[rusticgal]

I thought they found some sort of diary she kept where she wrote messages of her guit and evil behaviour?..

[UserSince2005]

I thought they found some sort of diary she kept where she wrote messages of her guit and evil behaviour?..

I think she is a bit mental.

[Cherie]

it's one of those situations that you just don't know how to react. The original trial jury must have been convinced by the evidence that was presented to them, what has changed now. I don't think anything has changed

The guy whose work was cited to convict her says his research was misinterpreted and he believes the babies died due to issues on the ward not down to one single person, Lucy Letby had previously highlighted issues on the ward as well

[Crimson Dynamo]

Peter Hitchens has been on this from the start saying its a travesty of justice

he has been somewhat of a lone voice

[user104658]

The whole case is a mess and even more of a mess if you start delving into healthcare politics, particularly the culture of doctors blaming other staff to avoid criticism, or outright punitively.

I think there's a decent chance that not only did Letby not murder those children, it's likely that no one did, and they died because of systemic issues and medical negligence. She was whistleblowing about various consultants being lazy, hardly ever turning up in person to do the checks they should have been doing, under-resourcing, under-staffing, babies were dying unnecessarily. The doctors openly disliked her for "kicking up fuss" and then all of a sudden she's being charged with murder. If it turns out to be anything resembling that, the implications are massive.

I in fact don't even think they intended to frame her for murder - I think they started saying "She's always on shift when things go wrong" (which has been since shown to not even be true) in the hopes that she'd be investigated as dangerously incompetent and struck off the nursing register because they wanted rid of her. But then authorities started sniffing around it questioning if it was intentional - and in fear for their own jobs, they doubled-down and started presenting things in a way that would make sure the gaze stayed on her.

It was a jury trial and so the opinions of both judge and jury were informed mostly by expert opinion and circumstantial evidence, not hard evidence... and the expert opinions were fudged from the start - in some cases have now been all but proven to be inaccurate or plainly wrong.

My genuine belief is that this or something close to this is what has happened here and really all it comes down to now is whether or not it will blow wide open, or be rapidly swept under the rug because of the massive political implications.

[AnnieK]

This is awful if it does end up being a miscarriage of justice. For her having been locked up for it and also for the families of the babies who died, they thought they had a little bit of justice for the loss of their children and been through harrowing court cases and all for what? It will be a very dark day if it's all been for nothing

[Oliver_W]

Her defence was woeful, I think she deserves a re-trial for that alone.

[Cherie]

The compensation for the medical negligence alone would be huge, never mind a miscarriage of justice if that is what we are looking at

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Ammi]

…I mean it would just spark a new word for dreadful if there were no babies killed at all and this was an horrific miscarriage of justice…/…and also if this was all purposefully done as well to cover so many inadequacies and fault with the hospital/to save the facility from being closed down or whatever…was fault and blame deliberately pointed toward Lucy Letby….why were such important and key things misrepresented in court in the first place….and because of the nature of what was presented as her crime, how can that ever be set right again as there inevitably now be many who will never believe her innocence if innocence was what we were looking at as a fact…the headlines above say it all, really…one still has ‘baby killer’ used in the title and another is saying that one of the parents is outraged at the thought of her going free because those parents will have all sat in court and listened to the evidence that Lucy Letby killed their babies…that can’t ever be taken back or erased…that will be the belief of many forever….it just defies words really, doesn’t it…a life label has been placed on her that many always will believe ….

[bots]

if it's found that she was indeed a whistleblower and the nhs/prosecution colluded to blame her and send her to jail for whole life, it could be the biggest conspiracy that has ever been uncovered

At the very least it's going to get a detailed review now, so thats at least good

[MTVN]

Her defence was woeful, I think she deserves a re-trial for that alone.

Yeah I remember thinking that her defence was very weak in the trial whereas the prosecution case seemed much stronger even though it was all circumstantial

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Never before in British legal history has such a highly respected group of medical experts
come together to challenge the evidence against a convicted serial killer"

DT

[Alf]

So she was a Patsy?

[Livia]

I think that after a trial by jury and a subsequent appeal where she was found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, we should hold fire on now presuming her not guilty on the evidence of a group of doctors after the fact, led by one retired doctor from Canada. For the sake of the bereaved families who don't seem to have the benefit of celebrity supporters or sensational headlines, I think we should all wait for more information.

[user104658]

I think that after a trial by jury and a subsequent appeal where she was found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, we should hold fire on now presuming her not guilty on the evidence of a group of doctors after the fact, led by one retired doctor from Canada. For the sake of the bereaved families who don't seem to have the benefit of celebrity supporters or sensational headlines, I think we should all wait for more information.

The thing is though, a paper written by one of the group of medical experts challenging this was used by the prosecution to secure the conviction. The person who wrote the paper they used AS evidence is saying that the findings of the paper were deliberately misrepresented in court.

There is a lot of available information about this and there has been since before she was even convicted. Extremely high levels of skepticism in the healthcare community, at all levels, and very plausible reasons for why it would have happened.

If these babies were dying not by deliberate acts, but because of medical failings, those failings fall upon the consultants. Who have high earnings, and reputations to protect, and would probably lose their careers.

Do I believe those people would, instead, blame one nurse? I absolutely do - especially if their original intent was to frame it as incompetence not murder. Once that ball was rolling they had even more reason to keep rolling with it, as at that point they'd have been facing criminal charges.

Yes the courts and jury convicted - but the evidence they were presented came FROM those consultants. What those parents have been told and believe about what happened, came from the same people. SEVERAL other medical professionals - unbiased ones, who don't have any reason to be anything Hut objective - have cast doubt on what those doctors (whose reputations were on the line if it was found to simply be deaths from a failing system) have said about it.

[Livia]

You would think that her defence lawyers would have thought of all that...

[bots]

i don't know what other evidence there was that led to her conviction, so I agree with Livia, we should be careful about drawing conclusions from what could, relatively, be a small contributor to the evidence.

I don't think there is any harm in reviewing all that was presented at the original trial, that can only be a good thing

[user104658]

You would think that her defence lawyers would have thought of all that...

Plenty of this has been raised since before conviction; not having followed it doesn't mean it didn't happen. If you're trying to make an argument that any justice system (let alone our current justice system) is infallible... it's just not a viable stance. Human systems are flawed; the only hope is ever "as good as possible" not "perfect".

And ours isn't even close to being as good as possible.

[arista]

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