Police Charge 16 year old boy: Bute island Girl murder investigation

[arista]

[People on the Scottish island have
been told to stay vigilant while
officers hunt for the killer of
six-year-old Alesha MacPhail.]

[Officers in Scotland launched the murder investigation after receiving the results of a post-mortem examination.
Alesha MacPhail was reported missing from her home in Rothesay by her grandmother at 6.25 on Monday morning.]

https://news.sky.com/story/murder-investigation-launched-over-alesha-macphail-6-on-isle-of-bute-11425393

On Ch4HD news
the reporter said They do not lock their doors
on that island.

That 6 year old girl
was found dead in the woods.

[LaLaLand]

Oh my God, such a tiny community too. Mad to think something like this could happen there!

[chuff me dizzy]

Dad is highly suspicious IMO ,why didnt they let the little girls Mother know she was missing ? Cadaver checking the grandparents house

[arista]

A man has been arrested

https://news.sky.com/story/alesha-macphail-man-arrested-on-suspicion-of-murder-on-isle-of-bute-11426436

[chuff me dizzy]

A man has been arrested

https://news.sky.com/story/alesha-macphail-man-arrested-on-suspicion-of-murder-on-isle-of-bute-11426436

I think my gut feeling could be right, poor little girl

[Kazanne]

Poor little kid,what was she doing out at that time in the morning?

[Kazanne]

Dad is highly suspicious IMO ,why didnt they let the little girls Mother know she was missing ? Cadaver checking the grandparents house

Is it her dad Chuff or stepdad?

[hijaxers]

Is it her dad Chuff or stepdad?

OMG Kaz its a teenager that's been arrested !

[Kazanne]

OMG Kaz its a teenager that's been arrested !

Oh hijaxers,that's awful,poor little kid,any idea what she died of yet?

[Nicky91]

how awful, poor little girl

[chuff me dizzy]

Is it her dad Chuff or stepdad?

Dad had taken her to his parents home, the Mam found out via Facebook that she was missing ( very wrong) but its neither Dad or Grandad who's done it, its someone a lot younger, poor little lass

[Kazanne]

Dad had taken her to his parents home, the Mam found out via Facebook that she was missing ( very wrong) but its neither Dad or Grandad who's done it, its someone a lot younger, poor little lass

Thanks Chuff,I see a teenager been arrested,I suppose he has had a terrible life and will get a slap on the wrist !!! at least he still has his life,bet he doesn't go to a mans prison.

[Denver]

Thanks Chuff,I see a teenager been arrested,I suppose he has had a terrible life and will get a slap on the wrist !!! at least he still has his life,bet he doesn't go to a mans prison.

You can not send under 18 to a man's prison

[chuff me dizzy]

You can not send under 18 to a man's prison

It time you were allowed to and without being segregated

[chuff me dizzy]

Thanks Chuff,I see a teenager been arrested,I suppose he has had a terrible life and will get a slap on the wrist !!! at least he still has his life,bet he doesn't go to a mans prison.

No doubt the poor little lad will blame being from a dysfunctional family, no Dad around, will go to a young offenders place, day trips out ,designer clothes, Xbox etc and when time comes to release him he will be given a new identity :rant:

[Denver]

It time you were allowed to and without being segregated

So you want 10 year old boys to be sent to prison with men that are sad sadistic and violent??

[chuff me dizzy]

So you want 10 year old boys to be sent to prison with men that are sad sadistic and violent??

If they are in prison age 10 they are no better then a man in the same prison

[Denver]

Megaton a horrible thought to have when the young kids are the easiest to integrate back into society

[Kazanne]

You can not send under 18 to a man's prison

They should send him to one when he is 18 but his sentence probably wont belong enough.:smug:

[Cherie]

Poor little mite

[Beso]

Megaton a horrible thought to have when the young kids are the easiest to integrate back into society

They are if the system works...it doesnt in the uk if you look at john venables...a 10 yr old given all the treatment the uk can give for 10 years or so...so if you cant cure someone like that then they need locking up for life....and tbh i couldnt give 2 ****s where...cant do the time...etc

[Denver]

They are if the system works...it doesnt in the uk if you look at john venables...a 10 yr old given all the treatment the uk can give for 10 years or so...so if you cant cure someone like that then they need locking up for life....and tbh i couldnt give 2 ****s where...cant do the time...etc

You can only help them if they want to be helped

and a high number of youths would love a chance to make something of thier lives and turn their back on crime

[Beso]

You can only help them if they want to be helped

and a high number of youths would love a chance to make something of thier lives and turn their back on crime

We are talking murder here, perhaps rape as well...this isnt your petty thief.

And to me it doesnt look like the system can mend them...

[Denver]

We are talking murder here, perhaps rape as well...this isnt your petty thief.

And to me it doesnt look like the system can mend them...

Where is the suggestion it could be rape? A lot of murders happen by accident not all are premeditated

[Beso]

Where is the suggestion it could be rape? A lot of murders happen by accident not all are premeditated

Perhaps rape i said..which is an opinion..

If it was an accident then of course the boy will need lots of help in coping....if not, and if it is as bad as it looks from the outside..then again, the uk cant help him.

[chuff me dizzy]

We are talking murder here, perhaps rape as well...this isnt your petty thief.

And to me it doesnt look like the system can mend them...

You can't mend evil despite throwing millions of taxpayers money at them ........Venables is evil and if not locked up for life could kill again

[user104658]

What a horrible story :(.

I think we should wait until there's an official report on what actually happened before jumping to bizarre conclusions, though. Not really helpful.

[Beso]

You can't mend evil despite throwing millions of taxpayers money at them ........Venables is evil and if not locked up for life could kill again

My point exactly..its futile.

Only way is to dope them up enough so they cant move.

[Denver]

You can't mend evil despite throwing millions of taxpayers money at them ........Venables is evil and if not locked up for life could kill again

Same goes for Tommy Robinson aswell

[Tom4784]

What a horrible story :(.

I think we should wait until there's an official report on what actually happened before jumping to bizarre conclusions, though. Not really helpful.

Yup, the bloodthirstiness doesn't really help anyone.

It's a horrible situation, I can only hope it's resolved quickly and the killer is brought to justice.

Imagine the paranoia this attack would have brought into the community, this is the kind of incident that will probably change that town forever.

[user104658]

My point exactly..its futile.

Only way is to dope them up enough so they cant move.

This isn't really true or accurate though, the successful rehabilitation rate of child offenders is actually very high (much higher than the rate for adult prisoners), someone like Venables is an extreme example of it not working, but he is the exception rather than the rule.

Many child offenders had no idea what they were doing at the time and are completely non-violent as adults.

Also the reason for not locking up child offenders in adult prisons isn't just for the protection of the child from violence. In fact, most "hardened" criminals WOULDN'T harm a child. More likely scenario is that career criminals would end up taking child prisoners "under their wing" for the years that they're in there and by the time they're released, they'll be criminal mini-me's ripe for reoffending.

[Denver]

This isn't really true or accurate though, the successful rehabilitation rate of child offenders is actually very high (much higher than the rate for adult prisoners), someone like Venables is an extreme example of it not working, but he is the exception rather than the rule.

Many child offenders had no idea what they were doing at the time and are completely non-violent as adults.

Also the reason for not locking up child offenders in adult prisons isn't just for the protection of the child from violence. In fact, most "hardened" criminals WOULDN'T harm a child. More likely scenario is that career criminals would end up taking child prisoners "under their wing" for the years that they're in there and by the time they're released, they'll be criminal mini-me's ripe for reoffending.
Well said my friend

[Beso]

This isn't really true or accurate though, the successful rehabilitation rate of child offenders is actually very high (much higher than the rate for adult prisoners), someone like Venables is an extreme example of it not working, but he is the exception rather than the rule.

Many child offenders had no idea what they were doing at the time and are completely non-violent as adults.

Also the reason for not locking up child offenders in adult prisons isn't just for the protection of the child from violence. In fact, most "hardened" criminals WOULDN'T harm a child. More likely scenario is that career criminals would end up taking child prisoners "under their wing" for the years that they're in there and by the time they're released, they'll be criminal mini-me's ripe for reoffending.

I would like a better break down on the crimes committed and the figures for each crime.

[user104658]

I would like a better break down on the crimes committed and the figures for each crime.

I don't have them or really time to look deeply into it right now, though I'm sure they can be found. Off the top of my head - reoffending rates for petty crime (theft, destruction of property etc.) is higher in juveniles than adults but serious violent crime (long sentences) is lower. Also far lower where high standards of education / mental health treatment are offered compared to purely punitive incarceration, so much so that there are huge calls for an overhaul of the juvenile detention system to make it less punitive. The only argument against it, basically, is that it "leaves a bad taste in people's mouths" if it looks like offenders are "getting it too easy". Even though "making it harder" increases the risk of reoffending. People have a revenge mindset that just isn't helpful.

[Kizzy]

This isn't really true or accurate though, the successful rehabilitation rate of child offenders is actually very high (much higher than the rate for adult prisoners), someone like Venables is an extreme example of it not working, but he is the exception rather than the rule.

Many child offenders had no idea what they were doing at the time and are completely non-violent as adults.

Also the reason for not locking up child offenders in adult prisons isn't just for the protection of the child from violence. In fact, most "hardened" criminals WOULDN'T harm a child. More likely scenario is that career criminals would end up taking child prisoners "under their wing" for the years that they're in there and by the time they're released, they'll be criminal mini-me's ripe for reoffending.

I actually don't agree with this, As my children have grown up the children in the neighbourhood who were horrible bullies have remained so, with charges of domestic violence and/ or child neglect. NOT ALL from lone parent families I might add.
It's a small random longitudinal study but that's my finding.

[user104658]

I actually don't agree with this, As my children have grown up the children in the neighbourhood who were horrible bullies have remained so, with charges of domestic violence and/ or child neglect. NOT ALL from lone parent families I might add.
It's a small random longitudinal study but that's my finding.

I'm speaking more along the lines of one-off serious incidents (involving serious injury or death that would result in a lengthy juvenile detention spell). Kids who are just generally highly aggressive usually come from aggressive homes, and that very sadly is something that is often passed down through the generations. It takes a LOT for a bully to end up with a non-custodial charge of any kind beyond a warning, let alone prison.

[Kizzy]

I'm speaking more along the lines of one-off serious incidents (involving serious injury or death that would result in a lengthy juvenile detention spell). Kids who are just generally highly aggressive usually come from aggressive homes, and that very sadly is something that is often passed down through the generations. It takes a LOT for a bully to end up with a non-custodial charge of any kind beyond a warning, let alone prison.

Well where I would agree with that in part there are also exceptions, nothing is set in stone.

[Josy]

Dad had taken her to his parents home, the Mam found out via Facebook that she was missing ( very wrong) but its neither Dad or Grandad who's done it, its someone a lot younger, poor little lassGenie (the little girls mum lives just up from my sister) she actually found out Alesha had been murdered on fb not just missing, absolutely horrific tbh.

Its a 16 year old boy known to the family thtough the dads gf thats apparently been arrested.

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/boy-16-charged-with-in-connection-with-death-of-alesha-macphail-11427184

The 16 year old lad has now been charged with Murder

[Kazanne]

https://news.sky.com/story/boy-16-charged-with-in-connection-with-death-of-alesha-macphail-11427184

The 16 year old lad has now been charged with Murder

I heard Arista,aw I bet he is too young to know what he was doing :rant::devil:

[Kizzy]

Genie (the little girls mum lives just up from my sister) she actually found out Alesha had been murdered on fb not just missing, absolutely horrific tbh.

Its a 16 year old boy known to the family thtough the dads gf thats apparently been arrested.

That's horrific! I can't imagine what they're going through :(

[Beso]

https://news.sky.com/story/boy-16-charged-with-in-connection-with-death-of-alesha-macphail-11427184

The 16 year old lad has now been charged with Murder

Is that to young to name him in scotland?

[Josy]

Is that to young to name him in scotland?Yes

[Beso]

Yes

What about me posting from england?

[Josy]

What about me posting from england?I already know the boys name but wont post it online, best no one else posts it either, it could impact the case negatively.

[Beso]

I already know the boys name but wont post it online, best no one else posts it either, it could impact the case negatively.

Ok...:hug:

[LaLaLand]

Such an awful case. 16 years old, Jesus.

[Josy]

16 year old just got charged with rape and murder of Alesha

That poor wee girl its such a shame

Court also released a statement saying its a criminal offence in Scottish law to release the boys name due to his age.

[arista]

16 year old just got charged with rape and murder of Alesha

That poor wee girl its such a shame

Court also released a statement saying its a criminal offence in Scottish law to release the boys name due to his age.


Evil Boy.

[bots]

words fail me

[Brillopad]

Megaton a horrible thought to have when the young kids are the easiest to integrate back into society

Many might argue the hardest as to commit such a crime at such a young age is rare and only for the seriously disturbed.

[Kazanne]

Bloody pervert , SIX years old, I hope the Scots handle this better than we have done in the past. Disgusting piece of filth.

[Beso]

16 year old just got charged with rape and murder of Alesha

That poor wee girl its such a shame

Court also released a statement saying its a criminal offence in Scottish law to release the boys name due to his age.

But the girl and her families horror is ok for all perverts to get off on...
:shrug:

[Josy]

But the girl and her families horror is ok for all perverts to get off on...
:shrug:I know its ****ing horrendous

I dont know why anything in this world surprises me any more but yet it always does.

Had a lump in my throat for hours thinking about this, I have no idea how her mither father and the rest of her poor family are coping.

[chuff me dizzy]

Genie (the little girls mum lives just up from my sister) she actually found out Alesha had been murdered on fb not just missing, absolutely horrific tbh.

Its a 16 year old boy known to the family thtough the dads gf thats apparently been arrested.

Yes I read this its awful but Im baffled why ,even when the Mam repeatedly asked the Grandmother about it on Facebook,she didn't answer her ? seems a strange carry on to me

[Beso]

I know its ****ing horrendous

I dont know why anything in this world surprises me any more but yet it always does.

Had a lump in my throat for hours thinking about this, I have no idea how her mither father and the rest of her poor family are coping.

May you rest in peace little one.... a 16yr old boy took your life in the most brutal manner...i am sorry i am associated with a country that allows your face to be plastered on social media for perverts to get off on...but his cant incase of reprisals.


Thats my fb post.

[chuff me dizzy]

His name and photo have been leaked .. Good enough for him

[LaLaLand]

RAPE and murder? I just can't. Absolutely horrific. :(

[chuff me dizzy]

Genie (the little girls mum lives just up from my sister) she actually found out Alesha had been murdered on fb not just missing, absolutely horrific tbh.

Its a 16 year old boy known to the family thtough the dads gf thats apparently been arrested.

Dads gf brother