Years & Years' Olly Alexander says Homophobia is EVERYWHERE

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Years & Years frontman Olly Alexander became a cover boy -- and a provocative one, at that -- when he graced PAPER magazine in a silken Versace shirt while sensually resting his head on a model’s bare thigh - once again linking homosexuality only with sex as seems to be the norm.

In the interview, the singer gets serious, firing shots at the passive homophobia that he still sees lingering around the music industry.

"In many ways, this is the very best time to be a gay artist ever," he says. "We wouldn't be where we are today without all the gay artists that have come before us and broken down so many barriers. But barriers aren't gone. Particularly for less privileged members of the queer community. There is this very insidious casual homophobia that exists in the fabric of everything including the music industry.”

Such discrimination isn’t so overt anymore, he adds, but nevertheless continues to detract from his capacity to commit himself fully and honestly to his music, a frustration many queer artists have recently vocalized.

Labels and people in positions of power pay lip service to supporting LGBTQ artists. And that's great,” he continues. “But when are we going to see a gay artist really thrive and succeed? Selling out arenas, hitting number ones. I guess that kind of happened with Sam Smith, but I just think from my personal experience, the amount of comments like 'Oh, this is very gay' or 'This is going to turn some people off' is a real problem.”


https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/pride/8464799/hayley-kiyoko-kehlani-interview-working-with-queer-artists


When will a gay singer be popular? :shrug:

[Cherie]

did his Mum cut his fringe

[chuff me dizzy]

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Years & Years frontman Olly Alexander became a cover boy -- and a provocative one, at that -- when he graced PAPER magazine in a silken Versace shirt while sensually resting his head on a model’s bare thigh - once again linking homosexuality only with sex as seems to be the norm.

In the interview, the singer gets serious, firing shots at the passive homophobia that he still sees lingering around the music industry.

"In many ways, this is the very best time to be a gay artist ever," he says. "We wouldn't be where we are today without all the gay artists that have come before us and broken down so many barriers. But barriers aren't gone. Particularly for less privileged members of the queer community. There is this very insidious casual homophobia that exists in the fabric of everything including the music industry.”

Such discrimination isn’t so overt anymore, he adds, but nevertheless continues to detract from his capacity to commit himself fully and honestly to his music, a frustration many queer artists have recently vocalized.

Labels and people in positions of power pay lip service to supporting LGBTQ artists. And that's great,” he continues. “But when are we going to see a gay artist really thrive and succeed? Selling out arenas, hitting number ones. I guess that kind of happened with Sam Smith, but I just think from my personal experience, the amount of comments like 'Oh, this is very gay' or 'This is going to turn some people off' is a real problem.”


https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/pride/8464799/hayley-kiyoko-kehlani-interview-working-with-queer-artists


When will a gay singer be popular? :shrug:

George Michael didnt do bad for himself :shrug: But then again he didnt make himself look a total twat with photos like these ^^^ and George could actually sing which is a Brucie bonus

[Niamh.]

George Michael didnt do bad for himself :shrug: But then again he didnt make himself look a total twat with photos like these ^^^ and George could actually sing which is a Brucie bonus

Elton and Freddie are not amused either :nono:

[chuff me dizzy]

Elton and Freddie are not amused either :nono:

I adored Freddie, one of my regrets in life never seeing him live

[Niamh.]

I adored Freddie, one of my regrets in life never seeing him live

I went to see Queen with Adam lambert last year, not quite Freddie but Adam did a fantastic job (another gay super star incidentally)

[Crimson Dynamo]

When will Prince?

[bots]

Marc Bolan, Soft Cell, Jimmy Summerville, the pet shop boys .... not popular at all :laugh:

[chuff me dizzy]

I went to see Queen with Adam lambert last year, not quite Freddie but Adam did a fantastic job (another gay super star incidentally)

Adam is good as you say, but there's only one Freddie

[Brillopad]

did his Mum cut his fringe

:joker:

[Vicky.]

“But when are we going to see a gay artist really thrive and succeed? Selling out arenas, hitting number ones. I guess that kind of happened with Sam Smith, but I just think from my personal experience, the amount of comments like 'Oh, this is very gay' or 'This is going to turn some people off' is a real problem.”


How ridiculous. Many gay artists have succeeded.

However, I do agree that homophobia is everywhere. But so are many forms of discrimination.

[chuff me dizzy]

How ridiculous. Many gay artists have succeeded.

However, I do agree that homophobia is everywhere. But so are many forms of discrimination.

Sorry I dont agree with this ^^ and him having photos taken dressed like he is doesn't help the "gay cause" at all

[Tom4784]

Of course homophobia is still an issue, you'd have to be wilfully ignorant to think it wasn't.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of course homophobia is still an issue, you'd have to be wilfully ignorant to think it wasn't.

Everywhere?

[Nicky91]

I went to see Queen with Adam lambert last year, not quite Freddie but Adam did a fantastic job (another gay super star incidentally)

Adam is good as you say, but there's only one Freddie

true Freddie was unique in his own way


Adam does really well performing the Queen songs, even Brian May has said that Adam comes really close to Freddie in terms of he performs


my dad went to a queen concert back when he was younger, when queen was in brussels, and it is his fave uk band, he also loved that INXS were performing as the supporting act back then when they were starting to become popular, also the inxs singer we lost too soon Michael Hutchence

[Vicky.]

Sorry I dont agree with this ^^ and him having photos taken dressed like he is doesn't help the "gay cause" at all

I don't get why his photos have anything to do with 'the gay cause' anyway? He can dress how he likes tbh, he can attention seek all he likes, he can talk utter bollocks like he is seeming to do, but he does have a point about homophobia being rife.

[chuff me dizzy]

Everywhere?

:bored::facepalm: "Poor me,Poor me " :bawling:

[Tom4784]

I don't get why his photos have anything to do with 'the gay cause' anyway? He can dress how he likes tbh, he can attention seek all he likes, he can talk utter bollocks like he is seeming to do, but he does have a point about homophobia being rife.

Very true but people who are uncomfortable with LGBT causes will look for any reason to minimalise it. I say **** that though, he could wear a leather codpiece and assless chaps and it doesn't make what he is saying any less valid. It's just a very cheap way to undercut what he's saying because some people don't want to hear it.

[chuff me dizzy]

I don't get why his photos have anything to do with 'the gay cause' anyway? He can dress how he likes tbh, he can attention seek all he likes, he can talk utter bollocks like he is seeming to do, but he does have a point about homophobia being rife.

You dont think the photos are OTT and not needed ?

[Tom4784]

You dont think the photos are OTT and not needed ?

The photos don't matter, you're just focusing on them so you don't have to acknowledge what he is saying.

[chuff me dizzy]

The photos don't matter, you're just focusing on them so you don't have to acknowledge what he is saying.

Of course they matter, he made them matter

[Vicky.]

You dont think the photos are OTT and not needed ?

I think he can do what he likes :shrug: What do the photos have to do with anything? Sounds a little like the 'she was wearing a short skirt, she deserved it' type arguments to me.

[chuff me dizzy]

I think he can do what he likes :shrug: What do the photos have to do with anything? Sounds a little like the 'she was wearing a short skirt, she deserved it' type arguments to me.

Yes he can, but he needs to shut up moaning when people look at him and judge him for the mess he looks in these photos and he looses any credibility he may have had

[Brillopad]

:bored::facepalm: "Poor me,Poor me " :bawling:

As I said - although it seems to have disappeared for some odd reason - he is an attention-seeker.

[Tom4784]

Of course they matter, he made them matter

They don't, you're just clinging on to them to devalue what he is saying.

[Vicky.]

As I said - although it seems to have disappeared for some odd reason - he is an attention-seeker.

Was deleted as it was quoting a deleted post. Deleted post was clearly homophobic, so kind of proving this guys point a bit D:

[chuff me dizzy]

As I said - although it seems to have disappeared for some odd reason - he is an attention-seeker.

Fecking idiot !! he needs to let his voice speak for him, not his bare arse cheeks

[Tom4784]

Fecking idiot !! he needs to let his voice speak for him, not his bare arse cheeks

He is but you are focusing on said arse cheeks because you think it gives you an in to invalidate what he is saying.

[Denver]

Why was my comment deleted

[chuff me dizzy]

He is but you are focusing on said arse cheeks because you think it gives you an in to invalidate what he is saying.

I dont agree with what the attention seeking idiot is saying either :shrug: ... How can he expected to be taken seriously dressed like that ? Same with Izzard, look at my photo and tell me you could look him in the eye dressed like that and complain about potholes

[bots]

Homophobia was never everywhere and it's better now than it ever was .... doesn't mean that there still isn't room for improvement.

[Niamh.]

Homophobia was never everywhere and it's better now than it ever was .... doesn't mean that there still isn't room for improvement.

Even when it was illegal? :skull:

[Smithy]

Even when it was illegal? :skull:

:skull::skull:

Got killed for being gay but homophobia was NEVER everywhere

[bots]

Even when it was illegal? :skull:

yes, even when it was illegal .... a time that i'm old enough to remember. Something can be illegal and still be accepted

[chuff me dizzy]

yes, even when it was illegal .... a time that i'm old enough to remember. Something can be illegal and still be accepted

I remember gay men when I was growing up in the 60s, but I never, ever saw any of them dressed like this idiot demanded to be treat as a special case, they just got on with their lives

[Black Dagger]

:skull::skull:

Got killed for being gay but homophobia was NEVER everywhere

They might have got it for just being a bit annoying. Can't have been for their homosexual tendencies!!!

[Niamh.]

yes, even when it was illegal .... a time that i'm old enough to remember. Something can be illegal and still be accepted

Ah stop, I bet war hero Alan Turing felt accepted when they fired him and chemically castrated him for being gay :skull:

[Ashley.]

How can he expected to be taken seriously dressed like that ?

It's a real shame that homosexual men/women are facing the same criticisms that women have been receiving for years. If that isn't proof of homophobia then I don't know what is.

[Niamh.]

It's a real shame that homosexual men/women are facing the same criticisms that women have been receiving for years. If that isn't proof of homophobia then I don't know what is.

Sexism doesn't exist either Ashley :nono:

[chuff me dizzy]

It's a real shame that homosexual men/women are facing the same criticisms that women have been receiving for years. If that isn't proof of homophobia then I don't know what is.

Dont talk daft !! he has left himself open ( in more ways than one) to be criticised

[Tom4784]

I dont agree with what the attention seeking idiot is saying either :shrug: ... How can he expected to be taken seriously dressed like that ? Same with Izzard, look at my photo and tell me you could look him in the eye dressed like that and complain about potholes

I don't care if someone's dressed in a dress or S&M gear, it does not impact what they are saying.

What you are promoting with this post is judging books by covers and close mindedness. It doesn't matter how people choose to dress, it's what they have to say that matters.

[Ashley.]

Dont talk daft !! he has left himself open ( in more ways than one) to be criticised

I'm not talking daft... I just can't believe another woman is saying that someone deserves everything they get because of how they dress.

[chuff me dizzy]

I'm not talking daft... I just can't believe another woman is saying that someone deserves everything they get because of how they dress.

Dont misquote me please I said he cannot expect to be taken seriously dressed like that

[Ashley.]

Sexism doesn't exist either Ashley :nono:

If we wear trousers, stay at home, preferably in the kitchen, quit our jobs, have two children and stop divorcing our husbands, we wouldn't have a problem!

[Niamh.]

If we wear trousers, stay at home, preferably in the kitchen, quit our jobs, have two children and stop divorcing our husbands, we wouldn't have a problem!

Gold Digger :idc:

[Tom4784]

Dont misquote me please I said he cannot expect to be taken seriously dressed like that

And that is a statement that is often thrown at women to undercut their views.

[chuff me dizzy]

And that is a statement that is often thrown at women to undercut their views.

I thought your moan was about gay people ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

He is but you are focusing on said arse cheeks because you think it gives you an in to invalidate what he is saying.

No

not knowing a thing about the music industry may however

[Tom4784]

I thought your moan was about gay people ?

It's remarkable I know but people can oppose more than one thing at a time.

The struggles of the LGBT community is not far removed from the plight that women face. There's overlapping issues which you have displayed with your willingness to value a person's appearance over their opinion.

[MB.]

Nothing like a bunch of straight people to lecture us on where homophobia is and isn't!

[chuff me dizzy]

Nothing like a bunch of straight people to lecture us on where homophobia is and isn't!

Do you ever think straight people are sick to the back teeth of groups of people DEMANDING to be treat as a special case due to their sexuality or race ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nothing like a bunch of straight people to lecture us on where homophobia is and isn't!

sometimes its good to get perspective

:)

[Tom4784]

Do you ever think straight people are sick to the back teeth of groups of people DEMANDING to be treat as a special case due to their sexuality or race ?

Poor straight people, it must be so tiring to hear about inequality and abuses that other people suffer.

[chuff me dizzy]

Poor straight people, it must be so tiring to hear about inequality and abuses that other people suffer.

I know lots of gay people, some in my family, not one of them have been attacked :bored:

[chuff me dizzy]

Poor straight people, it must be so tiring to hear about inequality and abuses that other people suffer.

What do you want to be equal in that you are not equal in already ?

[Tom4784]

What do you want to be equal in that you are not equal in already ?

I'm bisexual, I know what it's like to walk down the street with a woman and how different it is when I do the same with a man. With a woman, I can be physically affectionate without worrying about a thing but with a man I won't even think of holding their hand. With a man I have to constantly be wary of people and how they react and if they might react violently. If I'm in a relationship with a man, I can't talk about it with people like I would if I was in a relationship with a woman because I constantly have to think 'would this person be a threat if they knew I wasn't straight?'

I've lived on both sides and homophobia is definitely a thing, especially when you look at this thread and see straight people denying that homophobia exists.

[chuff me dizzy]

I'm bisexual, I know what it's like to walk down the street with a woman and how different it is when I do the same with a man. With a woman, I can be physically affectionate without worrying about a thing but with a man I won't even think of holding their hand. With a man I have to constantly be wary of people and how they react and if they might react violently. If I'm in a relationship with a man, I can't talk about it with people like I would if I was in a relationship with a woman because I constantly have to think 'would this person be a threat if they knew I wasn't straight?'

I've lived on both sides and homophobia is definitely a thing, especially when you look at this thread and see straight people denying that homophobia exists.

Its 2018 not 1918

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm bisexual, I know what it's like to walk down the street with a woman and how different it is when I do the same with a man. With a woman, I can be physically affectionate without worrying about a thing but with a man I won't even think of holding their hand. With a man I have to constantly be wary of people and how they react and if they might react violently. If I'm in a relationship with a man, I can't talk about it with people like I would if I was in a relationship with a woman because I constantly have to think 'would this person be a threat if they knew I wasn't straight?'

I've lived on both sides and homophobia is definitely a thing, especially when you look at this thread and see straight people denying that homophobia exists.

no one is denying it exists :shrug:

that is just silly

[Mystic Mock]

I get where he is coming from to some extent, but for example on average you aren't gonna see many straight guys buy gay guys Music because yes there is gonna be a stigma behind it with some Homophobic remarks thrown in, but also straight guys tastes and gay guys tastes in Music do tend to be very different when putting them into stereotypical boxes.

Women tend to normally be more comfortable with supporting gay guys in the Music Industry I think.

[Tom4784]

Its 2018 not 1918

Yet it's still a problem, unless you're trying to tell me that you know more about homophobia then someone that's lived it?

[Smithy]

no one is denying it exists :shrug:

that is just silly

Its 2018 not 1918

Really?

[chuff me dizzy]

no one is denying it exists :shrug:

that is just silly

To the degree that's being claimed? I don't think for one minute it does

[Vicky.]

I'm bisexual, I know what it's like to walk down the street with a woman and how different it is when I do the same with a man. With a woman, I can be physically affectionate without worrying about a thing but with a man I won't even think of holding their hand. With a man I have to constantly be wary of people and how they react and if they might react violently. If I'm in a relationship with a man, I can't talk about it with people like I would if I was in a relationship with a woman because I constantly have to think 'would this person be a threat if they knew I wasn't straight?'

I've lived on both sides and homophobia is definitely a thing, especially when you look at this thread and see straight people denying that homophobia exists.

Got to agree with this. been a long time since I was with a woman, but the difference is stark. Its a bit different, I think for female/female relationships than male/male, as men tend to like female/female stuff so instead of abuse we got random pervs shouting sexual stuff at us. I am not sure if I would prefer homophobic abuse or perverts still being homophobic but thinking they are behaving in a 'positive way'. People who have never experienced this deny it exists, but it really does. And yes, its everywhere. Even the stares and such are pretty bad. I can walk holding hands with my husband and noone thinks anything of it but do it with a female and its all eyes on you + comments. The pervy guys get even more pervy than usual too, instead of having erections brushed on you, you get them grabbing your hand to put it on their erection. Ugh. Just remembering this all is enough to put you off men for life tbh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I get where he is coming from to some extent, but for example on average you aren't gonna see many straight guys buy gay guys Music because yes there is gonna be a stigma behind it with some Homophobic remarks thrown in, but also straight guys tastes and gay guys tastes in Music do tend to be very different when putting them into stereotypical boxes.

Women tend to normally be more comfortable with supporting gay guys in the Music Industry I think.

well this will be news to Elton John where i would estimate 96% of all his music sales came from hetro people

[Beso]

Thats an interesting point about linking homosexuals with sex all the time...

[Smithy]

To the degree that's being claimed? I don't think for one minute it does

Congrats on your ignorance then

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thats an interesting point about linking homosexuals with sex all the time...

time and time again

if the wee fella did actually care about homosexual rights he would have told them to stick their purile photoshoot

[Twosugars]

To the degree that's being claimed? I don't think for one minute it does

so it does exist?
but at levels you're comfortable with?
mustn't let those gays let equality get to their heads?

[chuff me dizzy]

Got to agree with this. been a long time since I was with a woman, but the difference is stark. Its a bit different, I think for female/female relationships than male/male, as men tend to like female/female stuff so instead of abuse we got random pervs shouting sexual stuff at us. I am not sure if I would prefer homophobic abuse or perverts still being homophobic but thinking they are behaving in a 'positive way'. People who have never experienced this deny it exists, but it really does. And yes, its everywhere. Even the stares and such are pretty bad. I can walk holding hands with my husband and noone thinks anything of it but do it with a female and its all eyes on you + comments. The pervy guys get even more pervy than usual too, instead of having erections brushed on you, you get them grabbing your hand to put it on their erection. Ugh. Just remembering this all is enough to put you off men for life tbh.

Straight girls in short dresses in town every Saturday night get the same thing

[Twosugars]

well this will be news to Elton John where i would estimate 96% of all his music sales came from hetro people


he fooled you, pretended to be straight, got you hooked on his stuff, then came out when it was a done deal :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

he fooled you, pretended to be straight, got you hooked on his stuff, then came out when it was a done deal :hehe:

:oh:

at least Bowie was straight

[Mystic Mock]

well this will be news to Elton John where i would estimate 96% of all his music sales came from hetro people

One case isn't exactly the norm is it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

One case isn't exactly the norm is it?

what about all the other artists quoted in this thread ?

all huge icons of the music industry

[chuff me dizzy]

Congrats on your ignorance then

And well done to you too :hug:

[Vicky.]

Straight girls in short dresses in town every Saturday night get the same thing

Yes, women in general do. However women in relationships with each other get it worse, from my experience anyway.

[Marsh.]

George Michael didnt do bad for himself :shrug: But then again he didnt make himself look a total twat with photos like these ^^^ and George could actually sing which is a Brucie bonus

No he just got himself arrested for cottaging.

Nothing like only seeing what you want to see.

[Marsh.]

Yes he can, but he needs to shut up moaning when people look at him and judge him for the mess he looks in these photos and he looses any credibility he may have had

He's not talking about being judged for how he looks in those photos though.

You're choosing to focus on those photos that have been included in the thread rather than bothering to understand the words you're reading.

But... hey... it doesn't affect you so therefore it doesn't exist.

Ignorance is indeed bliss.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He's not talking about being judged for how he looks in those photos though.

You're choosing to focus on those photos that have been included in the thread rather than bothering to understand the words you're reading.

But... hey... it doesn't affect you so therefore it doesn't exist.

Ignorance is indeed bliss.

I think wearing arseless trousers is not the best look when broaching this subject...

[chuff me dizzy]

No he just got himself arrested for cottaging.

Nothing like only seeing what you want to see.

He broke the law... you do the crime, you do the time .....Simple

[chuff me dizzy]

I think wearing arseless trousers is not the best look when broaching this subject...

Exactly !!

[Marsh.]

He broke the law... you do the crime, you do the time .....SimpleGeorge Michael? Exactly.

Always made a show of himself drugged up and having sex in public.

[chuff me dizzy]

George Michael? Exactly.

Always made a show of himself drugged up and having sex in public.

And your point it what ?

[Glenn.]

I dont agree with what the attention seeking idiot is saying either :shrug: ... How can he expected to be taken seriously dressed like that ? Same with Izzard, look at my photo and tell me you could look him in the eye dressed like that and complain about potholes

:umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

George Michael? Exactly.

Always made a show of himself drugged up and having sex in public.

he had a drug problem


:bored:


how can you come on here defending homophobia and at the same time hate on people with addictions?


wow

[Twosugars]

would it overcomplicate the issue if I introduced a gay Muslim?

https://i.imgur.com/4u17BCn.jpg


Chuff, thoughts? Mine are: nice pins and uphill struggle to fit in

[Ashley.]

would it overcomplicate the issue if I introduced a gay Muslim?

https://i.imgur.com/4u17BCn.jpg


Chuff, thoughts? Mine are: nice pins and uphill struggle to fit in

Fabulous. I'd borrow those sunnies.

[Nicky91]

he looks quite fab though :love:

[Crimson Dynamo]

would it overcomplicate the issue if I introduced a gay Muslim?

https://i.imgur.com/4u17BCn.jpg


Chuff, thoughts? Mine are: nice pins and uphill struggle to fit in

how do you know that is a muslim?

[Jordan.]

All things aside he has such a punchable face and garbage music

[Livia]

The most interesting thing about this chap is that he's gay. He made it that way. Every time I've seen him, that's what he's been on about, not his music... his homosexuality.

Things have changed and are changing. I have lots of gay friends and while we discuss a wide range of subjects, we never discuss gay issues with the angst with which it's addressed on here.

[Cal.]

To the degree that's being claimed? I don't think for one minute it does

You haven’t got the right to say that unless you’re gay to be honest with you. You wouldn’t know.

[Mystic Mock]

what about all the other artists quoted in this thread ?

all huge icons of the music industry

Alot of them at the time were seen more as gay icons than accessable to straight people, it's changed alot for those artists nowadays, but at the time some of them were not necessarily loved by straight people.

And my main point anyway is that gay singers will struggle to sell Music because gay people and straight people on average do tend to have different taste in Music to each other. Anyway I feel that gay actors suffer more prejudice than gay singers, alot of gay actors have to pretend to be straight just to have a career in the TV or Movie world.

[chuff me dizzy]

The most interesting thing about this chap is that he's gay. He made it that way. Every time I've seen him, that's what he's been on about, not his music... his homosexuality.

Things have changed and are changing. I have lots of gay friends and while we discuss a wide range of subjects, we never discuss gay issues with the angst with which it's addressed on here.

Ive never seen so many demanding to be treat as a special case either, all my gay friends get on with their lives without bleating poor me every 2 minutes

[Marsh.]

And your point it what ?You said he never made himself look like a twat.

I'd say continuously getting done for drugs and having sex in public toilets makes you look like a twat.

[Marsh.]

he had a drug problem


:bored:


how can you come on here defending homophobia and at the same time hate on people with addictions?


wowI defended homophobia?

Where was this?

Think before you post.

[Marsh.]

Ive never seen so many demanding to be treat as a special case either, all my gay friends get on with their lives without bleating poor me every 2 minutesHow is wanting to be treated like everyone else asking for special treatment?

[Glenn.]

Ive never seen so many demanding to be treat as a special case either, all my gay friends get on with their lives without bleating poor me every 2 minutes

Asking to be treated like a normal human being and being able to have the luxury of a relationship with the same sex without the fear of being harassed, beaten and murdered for. Something straight people have zero clue about because they don’t have to worry about it. But hey, it’s ok, you’ve got gay friends that seem fortunate enough to have not been subject to much of what I’ve just said. The same can’t be said for other gay people who just want to live a hate free life.

[chuff me dizzy]

You said he never made himself look like a twat.

I'd say continuously getting done for drugs and having sex in public toilets makes you look like a twat.

Dont get personal ,stick to discuss the thread not me .. Thank you

[Cherie]

Asking to be treated like a normal human being and being able to have the luxury of a relationship with the same sex without the fear of being harassed, beaten and murdered for. Something straight people have zero clue about because they don’t have to worry about it. But hey, it’s ok, you’ve got gay friends that seem fortunate enough to have not been subject to much of what I’ve just said. The same can’t be said for other gay people who just want to live a hate free life.

You sure about that, what about mixed race couples? some of them don't have it easy, what about trying to marry into an Asian family or trying to get out of an arranged marriage, the poor me stuff is very wearing

[chuff me dizzy]

Asking to be treated like a normal human being and being able to have the luxury of a relationship with the same sex without the fear of being harassed, beaten and murdered for. Something straight people have zero clue about because they don’t have to worry about it. But hey, it’s ok, you’ve got gay friends that seem fortunate enough to have not been subject to much of what I’ve just said. The same can’t be said for other gay people who just want to live a hate free life.

Who doesn't treat you as a normal human being ?

[chuff me dizzy]

You sure about that, what about mixed race couples? some of them don't have it easy, what about trying to marry into an Asian family or trying to get out of an arranged marriage, the poor me stuff is very wearing

A white person would never be accepted

[smudgie]

Great singer, lovely arse.

[Marsh.]

Dont get personal ,stick to discuss the thread not me .. Thank youWho's getting personal?

We're discussing George Michael?

When did it come up in conversation that you were arrested for cottaging? Are you ok?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Great singer, lovely arse.

:fist:

Filthmonger

[chuff me dizzy]

Who's getting personal?

We're discussing George Michael?

When did it come up in conversation that you were arrested for cottaging? Are you ok?

Im fine thank you

[Marsh.]

Im fine thank youSo we've established you are not George Michael so it's completely within the rules that I discuss him.

Good stuff.

[Nicky91]

Chuff would wish she'd be as successful popstar as George was

[smudgie]

:fist:

Filthmonger

I appreciate things of beauty, and that bottom is lush.

[chuff me dizzy]

Chuff would wish she'd be as successful popstar as George was

Stop trying to earn a Brownie point Nicky and read back my posts I happen to love George Michael, but nice try love :pat:

[Glenn.]

You sure about that, what about mixed race couples? some of them don't have it easy, what about trying to marry into an Asian family or trying to get out of an arranged marriage, the poor me stuff is very wearing

Although not the topic we are discussing, the same can be said. I didn’t say persecution was only for the gays. There’s discrimination everywhere in society and it doesn’t help the move to stamp it out with backwards views that chuff has on homophobia.

Who doesn't treat you as a normal human being ?

Chuff we both know you’re being deliberately pedantic. Research it babe. Plenty of accounts of abuse, harassment aimed at gay people. Thankfully the abuse I’ve had over the years has been mild. The same can’t be said for others.

[Marsh.]

You sure about that, what about mixed race couples? some of them don't have it easy, what about trying to marry into an Asian family or trying to get out of an arranged marriage, the poor me stuff is very wearingStrawman argument!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Chuff would wish she'd be as successful popstar as George was

What in God's teeth are you on about now?

[TomC]

Why do these baiting threads from the right-wing members of the forum pop up every day now? It's funny because the LGBT members of the forum seldom make threads discussing this kind of thing, yet it's us who won't shut up about it and have a 'poor me' attitude

[Glenn.]

Preach it sis

[Jordan.]

Why do these baiting threads from the right-wing members of the forum pop up every day now? It's funny because the LGBT members of the forum seldom make threads discussing this kind of thing, yet it's us who won't shut up about it and have a 'poor me' attitude

https://i1.wp.com/gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Mulan-Pouring-Tea.gif?ssl=1

[montblanc]

Why do these baiting threads from the right-wing members of the forum pop up every day now? It's funny because the LGBT members of the forum seldom make threads discussing this kind of thing, yet it's us who won't shut up about it and have a 'poor me' attitude

drag them

[Tom4784]

Why do these baiting threads from the right-wing members of the forum pop up every day now? It's funny because the LGBT members of the forum seldom make threads discussing this kind of thing, yet it's us who won't shut up about it and have a 'poor me' attitude

Ain't that the truth.

This is a thread basically designed to complain about the LGBT and if anyone says any different they are whining or doing a 'poor me' routine. It's ridiculously ignorant.

If you don't care about LGBT issues, look the other way. Don't preach to people of an LGBT persuasion that they don't suffer and that things aren't different for them because if you aren't of an LGBT persuasian yourself and you lack empathy which, judging from this thread, is an issue then can't tell people that they haven't suffered, that their problems don't exist. You don't understand it, you never will.

The whole 'I've got gay friends/family' excuse is bull**** too. I can guarantee that they don't 'bleat on' about their issues because they can probably tell you don't care, that's not them having no issues, that's more likely them not opening up to a homophobic ear. You want the gays to be seen and not heard, that's the truth of the matter.

[TomC]

Ain't that the truth.

This is a thread basically designed to complain about the LGBT and if anyone says any different they are whining or doing a 'poor me' routine. It's ridiculously ignorant.

If you don't care about LGBT issues, look the other way. Don't preach to people of an LGBT persuasion that they don't suffer and that things aren't different for them because if you aren't of an LGBT persuasian yourself and you lack empathy which, judging from this thread, is an issue then can't tell people that they haven't suffered, that their problems don't exist. You don't understand it, you never will.

The whole 'I've got gay friends/family' excuse is bull**** too. I can guarantee that they don't 'bleat on' about their issues because they can probably tell you don't care, that's not them having no issues, that's more likely them not opening up to a homophobic ear. You want the gays to be seen and not heard, that's the truth of the matter.



:clap1:

And now we wait for the very witty, well thought-out "it's 2018 not 1918" style response.

[Underscore]

Why do these baiting threads from the right-wing members of the forum pop up every day now? It's funny because the LGBT members of the forum seldom make threads discussing this kind of thing, yet it's us who won't shut up about it and have a 'poor me' attitude

right wing wigs have been snatched on this very day

[Smithy]

In my defense of my deleted post I thought this was the chat thread :skull:

[Barry.]

Love Years and Years.

[GoldHeart]

Elton and Freddie are not amused either :nono:

I get the impression this Olly guy wants a medal and some privilege treatment for being open and proud .

Exactly Elton has always been a huge success and it's because he's a good singer , Freddie was hugely popular with Queen , George Michael did ok as well .

[Marsh.]

I get the impression this Olly guy wants a medal and some privilege treatment for being open and proud .

Exactly Elton has always been a huge success and it's because he's a good singer , Freddie was hugely popular with Queen , George Michael did ok as well .Wait... George Michael, Freddie Mercury and Elton John have/did have great careers so homophobia doesn't exist?

Is that seriously your argument for this topic?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wait... George Michael, Freddie Mercury and Elton John have/did have great careers so homophobia doesn't exist?

Is that seriously your argument for this topic?

Because that is exactly what GoldHeart said....

[montblanc]

Because that is exactly what GoldHeart said....

but it is what GoldHeart said though :skull:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why do these baiting threads from the right-wing members of the forum pop up every day now? It's funny because the LGBT members of the forum seldom make threads discussing this kind of thing, yet it's us who won't shut up about it and have a 'poor me' attitude

LBGT members don't want to make threads about homophobia when all they have done in this thread is tell the forum how prevelant it is?


Looks like I should be getting plaudits than sly against forum rules member insults

Oh and good to see Dezzy the mod applaud your insult

Good to see how the land lies


Good to see.....

[Marsh.]

Because that is exactly what GoldHeart said....What else does the success of those artists have to do with the topic if that wasn't what he meant?

[Vicky.]

What else does the success of those artists have to do with the topic if that wasn't what he meant?
Because this Olly guy reckons gay artists never do well because of homophobia, except for sam smith :suspect:

[Marsh.]

Because this Olly guy reckons gay artists never do well because of homophobia, except for sam smith :suspect:He's not though.

He literally says people like him wouldn't be where they are without those artists who helped knock down barriers and change things for the better that came before them.

He's merely saying there are still barriers that need breaking down.

Much in the same way women have come a long way over the decades but there's still a way to go to achieve real equality and stamp out the homophobia and sexism.

[Vicky.]

Labels and people in positions of power pay lip service to supporting LGBTQ artists. And that's great,” he continues. “But when are we going to see a gay artist really thrive and succeed? Selling out arenas, hitting number ones. I guess that kind of happened with Sam Smith, but I just think from my personal experience, the amount of comments like 'Oh, this is very gay' or 'This is going to turn some people off' is a real problem.”


:suspect:

Because we have never had gay artists selling out arenas, and thriving and suceeding.

I do get what he is saying, and he is correct, but the way he is saying it..is silly and does come across like gay artists have never been sucessful.

Have found this thread quite eye opening actually. I don't know why I still get surprised but to see people claim homophobia just isn't a thing today (and on a thread full of homophobic comments too)...well :umm2:

[Marsh.]

Get them Vic!!!!

[TomC]

LBGT members don't want to make threads about homophobia when all they have done in this thread is tell the forum how prevelant it is?


Looks like I should be getting plaudits than sly against forum rules member insults

Oh and good to see Dezzy the mod applaud your insult

Good to see how the land lies


Good to see.....

More fool us LGBT members for taking the bait I guess.

[Twosugars]

As TomC says, we don't make endless threads about it, others do. And then attack when we try to defend ourselves. But of course it's us who shove it down their throats

[Crimson Dynamo]

As TomC says, we don't make endless threads about it, others do. And then attack when we try to defend ourselves. But of course it's us who shove it down their throats

Is that the royal We?

[Underscore]

i think you only make these threads to bait, otherwise why would you make them :suspect:

[montblanc]

i think you only make these threads to bait, otherwise why would you make them :suspect:

get them sis!

[Crimson Dynamo]

As TomC says, we don't make endless threads about it, others do. And then attack when we try to defend ourselves. But of course it's us who shove it down their throats

Again

Sigh

The content is not mine

The article is not mine

The message is not mine


Have some balls to deal with the articles content or stay out the thread or here is a novel idea

make your own

[Marsh.]

LT you used to be so much better at this kind of thing.

What happened?

[Twosugars]

Again

Sigh

The content is not mine

The article is not mine

The message is not mine


Have some balls to deal with the articles content or stay out the thread or here is a novel idea

make your own

Why should I?
There's nothing new to be said.
I'm surprised it's such a hot topic for you tho