dutch politician Willie Dille ends her own life after raped, assaulted by muslims

[Nicky91]

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PVV (party for freedom) member Willie Dille has tragically ended her own life after she was raped, assaulted and kidnapped by muslims, a plan orchestrated by her former colleague at PVV Arnoud van Doorn

she was well known for her hate towards muslims, she once stated that all muslims should be wiped out with an atomic bomb, so she was very controversial here in our dutch politics, same as PVV leader Geert Wilders

Willie Dille was 53 years old, she had 4 kids

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Dille

http://www.dagelijksestandaard.nl/2018/08/brekend-haagse-pvv-raadslid-willie-dille-heeft-zelfmoord-gepleegd/

i can't say i am shocked about the rape and assault at her from muslims, since she had said many nasty things about them, which might've also triggered anger against her, but she was told to just tell the police and file charges against her abductors/rapists, but she didn't probably out of fear

[Niamh.]

That sounds horrendous if it's true but it seems unproven? I can only read the wiki page as I don't speak Dutch

[Nicky91]

That sounds horrendous if it's true but it seems unproven? I can only read the wiki page as I don't speak Dutch

it was true, but her video was about her saying she wanted to wipe out all muslims with an atomic bomb

[Niamh.]

it was true, but her video was about her saying she wanted to wipe out all muslims with an atomic bomb

I mean is it proven that she was actually kidnapped and raped? The Wiki page says it wasn't

[arista]

Terrible Rape, if true
and her ending her life.

[Niamh.]

Terrible Rape, if true
and her ending her life.

If it is true, the fact that a rival politician was involved is crazy and I hope they're thoroughly investigating that accusation

[ArgyESC]

That's awful

[glibberglobber]

/"I just want the world to know the truth. 15 March 2017 I was kidnapped, raped and assaulted by g roup of Muslims because they wanted me to keep quiet in the Hague city council", she said in the video, according to AD. March 15th last year was the day of the parliamentary elections. "After it happened, I did not tell anyone, I just did my debates the next day."

In the video, Dille announced that she is quitting as politician. She said that she recently received death threats stating that "we will soon cut your throat and let you bleed to death". "I'm just afraid that they will hurt my children, my guests. I can not live with that. They don't like women at all. They don't like me at all", she said. She wants to continue to fight, but her children need her and she fears for her life, she said. "That's why I decided to stop."

wow horrible

[jaxie]

If true this is a very sad story and the person who supposedly instigated her kidnapping should be in jail.

The problem I have with what you said Nicky is you almost seem to imply that because she said horrible things it was expected that she would be abused. The thing is words are words. Putting your hands, or any other body part on someone takes it to a whole different level. No words justify that. Words justify words in return, nothing more.

[Withano]

Wait. Somebody hated muslims so much that somebody else specifically hired muslims to rape her?

Thats just bizzare. This world can be ****ed up on so many levels.

[Withano]

That sounds horrendous if it's true but it seems unproven? I can only read the wiki page as I don't speak Dutch

Does your device not have a translate button? Its super useful

It has become clear today that council member Willie Dille died for the PVV yesterday by suicide. After a lot of fuss around a video she had posted on Facebook, she indicated that she was still threatened this week and feared for her life. Many people declared her crazy, but are now faced with her suicide .

In the video on Facebook she said that she was raped by Muslims and that it was commissioned by Arnoud van Doorn, the party leader of the Islamist Party of the Unity. In addition, she indicated that she would stop working in politics, because she is repeatedly threatened and fears for her own life and that of her loved ones.

'We are going to cut your throat shortly and let you bleed to death', would have been said. ,, I'm just afraid that they will take my children, my guests. I can not live with that. They do not like women at all. They do not like me at all. "
The councilor says that she must continue to fight, but that her children need her and that she fears for her life. "That's why I decided to quit." She apologizes to her neighbors on the images. ,, It just does not work anymore. "
Of course there was mixed response, with messages of support and very negative messages. She was declared crazy, racist, or a liar. Although she was no longer available for comment, the PVV from The Hague has issued a statement:

"I want to deny the image that is now being sketched as Willie would be a labored joke. Friend and foe will confirm that Willie is a very strong woman who does not let herself be fooled. The video is made after a year of misery, no support from the police or mayor. Willie is a very social, driven, intelligent politician who will never stop defending the free word and who will continue the fight against Islam. The last threat, however, was the proverbial drop, but there is no question of stopping. The way some media report about this is outright disgusting and shows a very wrong bias. Not only Willie has been violated, but also the freedom of expression. Media who do not take this seriously should be ashamed. An extended response to the event will come when the peace has returned. The request is now to leave Willie alone. "

With the suicide of Dille, this story gets a whole new chapter and the opponents of the PVVer will have to scratch their heads. She does not just commit suicide and this is just another example of a right-wing politician who is threatened because of his or her ideas. How many warnings are there yet to come? Of course, everything must first emerge before any conclusions can be drawn. Let it be clear that her suicide indicates that there is much more going on, whether she was right, or whether she was no longer spiritually right.

[Nicky91]

I mean is it proven that she was actually kidnapped and raped? The Wiki page says it wasn't

it's now in the news here a lot and they mention her having been kidnapped and raped


but the things she had said makes it hard to sympathize for her, same what people in UK could think of Corbyn who also is a controversial politician

[Nicky91]

thanks for the translating Withano, i hope people here will understand it better now they can read it in english

[Withano]

it's now in the news here a lot and they mention her having been kidnapped and raped


but the things she had said makes it hard to sympathize for her, same what people in UK could think of Corbyn who also is a controversial politician

So where is the investigation at?

Has it been proven that she was kidnapped and raped?
But not proven that a rival politician hired the rapists to do it?

The articles and wikipedia makes it sound like none of this has been confirmed?

[Niamh.]

Thanks Withano, I'm on my work PC and no translate option popped up

[Nicky91]

So where is the investigation at?

Has it been proven that she was kidnapped and raped?
But not proven that a rival politician hired the rapists to do it?

The articles and wikipedia makes it sound like none of this has been confirmed?

the rival politician is Arnoud Van Doorn, he had hired them to rape, assault and kidnap her


Arnoud was first PVV but went to a rival pro-muslim political party


and yeah the investigation is still ongoing i guess, but this is what we know so far

[smudgie]

She feared for her life, then committed suicide.
I hope this is looked into thoroughly as it sounds iffy.

[Niamh.]

the rival politician is Arnoud Van Doorn, he had hired them to rape, assault and kidnap her


Arnoud was first PVV but went to a rival pro-muslim political party


and yeah the investigation is still ongoing i guess, but this is what we know so far

If that's true he should be locked up for life imo, it seems a bit far fetched though (certainly not impossible though)

[Nicky91]

She feared for her life, then committed suicide.
I hope this is looked into thoroughly as it sounds iffy.

the mayor of the Hague Pauline Krikke multiple times had told her to go to the police and file charges against her attackers but she didn't do that so basically this is confirmation she was probably fearing for her life


she thought this ruined her life completely, i really feel so sad for her kids and husband now

[Withano]

the rival politician is Arnoud Van Doorn, he had hired them to rape, assault and kidnap her


Arnoud was first PVV but went to a rival pro-muslim political party


and yeah the investigation is still ongoing i guess, but this is what we know so far

Thats what she alleged? I cant see anywhere that says it has been confirmed. Its a horrid story either way, im just confused as to how someone would go about hiring rapists, and then the victim would go about finding that info out. It seems almost implausible? Like, none of that makes sense to me?

Or has it got to the point where the Arnoud has admitted it, or the rapists expressed that they were hired, or the investigators found out through means of their own, and the articles are a bit outdated?

Im just trying to work out where the speculation starts and stops

[Nicky91]

If that's true he should be locked up for life imo, it seems a bit far fetched though (certainly not impossible though)

he was becoming more and more anti-PVV due to their anti-muslim views, so maybe he had become really angry when she had said those horrible things about muslims


i'm myself more SP (socialistic party) support, for Emile Roemer, who are more for equality in our country, but only against crime in general so also from the dutch people, whereas PVV only focusses on the foreigners being criminals and not good for our country

[Nicky91]

Thats what she alleged? I cant see anywhere that says it has been confirmed. Its a horrid story either way, im just confused as to how someone would go about hiring rapists, and then the victim would go about finding that info out. It seems almost implausible? Like, none of that makes sense to me?

Or has it got to the point where the Arnoud has admitted it, or the rapists expressed that they were hired, or the investigators found out through means of their own, and the articles are a bit outdated?

Im just trying to work out where the speculation starts and stops

uh no, but they have some proof of this, from fellow members in the politics who have seen him having been angry at her and PVV as a whole


but Arnoud himself has said something like, ''i feel sad for this dramatic outcome''

[Nicky91]

If true this is a very sad story and the person who supposedly instigated her kidnapping should be in jail.

The problem I have with what you said Nicky is you almost seem to imply that because she said horrible things it was expected that she would be abused. The thing is words are words. Putting your hands, or any other body part on someone takes it to a whole different level. No words justify that. Words justify words in return, nothing more.

Pim Fortuyn, another dutch politician got murdered over his anti-muslim views also by a fellow politician

Theo Van Gogh, who was a highly controversial movie director who had portrayed muslims in a bad way in his movies, got murdered by a muslim who was triggered by those ''racist'' movies


so yeah freedom of speech here in my country isn't really a good thing anymore, now these days you gotta be careful what you say sadly


i myself am quite respectful for muslims in general

[Withano]

uh no, but they have some proof of this, from fellow members in the politics who have seen him having been angry at her and PVV as a whole


but Arnoud himself has said something like, ''i feel sad for this dramatic outcome''

That isnt proof that he hired rapists to rape somebody though?

[JoshBB]

i mean, that's sad, but she did say she wanted muslims wiped out with an atomic bomb... so..

[Niamh.]

i mean, that's sad, but she did say she wanted muslims wiped out with an atomic bomb... so..

That's sad but? You think what she said merited her being kidnapped and raped? (again I still think the story is a bit far fetched but assuming it is true)

[JoshBB]

That's sad but? You think what she said merited her being kidnapped and raped? (again I still think the story is a bit far fetched but assuming it is true)

No it doesn't warrant it, but it makes me have less sympathy.

[Niamh.]

No it doesn't warrant it, but it makes me have less sympathy.

So words make rape less bad, got it

[Nicky91]

So words make rape less bad, got it

i get your point, rape is never good, suicide is never good either


so yeah i find it sad for her that she saw ending her life as the only way out of this

[Withano]

So words make rape less bad, got it

Not to play devils advocate.. but you’d surely find the story more sad if the victim was a woman that always showed upmost respect for muslims and was seen by their country as a lovely person

I mean... maybe it shouldnt have been said, but it is unfortunately true.

[Niamh.]

Not to play devils advocate.. but you’d surely find the story more sad if the victim was a woman that always showed upmost respect for muslims and was seen by their country as a lovely person

I mean... maybe it shouldnt have been said, but it is unfortunately true.

Not really Withano no, she said - emphasis on "said" some racist things that doesn't lessen my sympathy for her being kidnapped and raped no, not even a bit.

[Nicky91]

Not really Withano no, she said - emphasis on "said" some racist things that doesn't lessen my sympathy for her being kidnapped and raped no, not even a bit.

you don't wish bad things on anyone, not even when those say some racist things

true, maybe i just had my own judgemental thoughts based on the bad things she had said, that never really happens to me i know but now i had allowed this getting the best of me


anyway on topic, i just hope we get a good investigation and justice is served to those responsible

[Withano]

Not really Withano no, she said - emphasis on "said" some racist things that doesn't lessen my sympathy for her being kidnapped and raped no, not even a bit.

fair enough... i just think most people would have a scale of sympathy? Like more people would have more sympathy if this happened to my elderly neighbour than if this happened to Jon Venables... and i would too? I know this woman cant be compared to either, but the scale does unfortunately exist (for me and probably others).

I mean it still doesnt need to be said, it isnt at all helpful, i just agree with josh because i see where hes coming from with his statements, i dont think theyre untrue.

[Niamh.]

fair enough... i just think most people would have a scale of sympathy? Like more people would have more sympathy if this happened to my elderly neighbour than if this happened to Jon Venables... and i would too? I know this woman cant be compared to either, but the scale does unfortunately exist (for me and probably others).

I mean it still doesnt need to be said, it isnt at all helpful, i just agree with josh because i see where hes coming from with his statements, i dont think theyre untrue.

Jon Venables is an abuser himself though and has sexually and physically hurt people

[Niamh.]

Just to say though, this is all *If* this even happened, the story does seem a bit far fetched imo

[Withano]

Jon Venables is an abuser himself though and has sexually and physically hurt people

I’m aware, and people would have far more sympathy for this dutch politician woman than they would Jon... there is the other end of the spectrum though full of loving and caring innocent humans which Josh pointed out.

I guess Im just explaining why I dont think hes incorrect, i dont actually feel that strongly on this particular debate. Its nowhere near the main issue.

[Nicky91]

I’m aware, and people would have far more sympathy for this dutch politician woman than they would Jon... there is the other end of the spectrum though full of loving and caring innocent humans which Josh pointed out.

I guess Im just explaining why I dont think hes incorrect, i dont actually feel that strongly on this particular debate. Its nowhere near the main issue.

Willie also did some good things honestly, apart from the negative things already mentioned


she did do a lot for handicapped people, standing up for them in political debates wether or not severe handicapped people should work

[Withano]

Willie also did some good things honestly, apart from the negative things already mentioned


she did do a lot for handicapped people, standing up for them in political debates wether or not severe handicapped people should work

Well thats great. You’ll have to keep us up to date with the investigation Nicky.

There are some huge accusations, it will interesting to hear how they develop.

[Nicky91]

Well thats great. You’ll have to keep us up to date with the investigation Nicky.

There are some huge accusations, it will interesting to hear how they develop.

i agree with you, huge accusations but here we usually make these accusations before we go and find enough evidence to back our theories up

my country is a huge mess, also whenever people go missing here we immediately assume the worst of murder and kidnapping when it sometimes gets good endings like just runaway teens


i am a bit ashamed of that here, that's why i look up to the american authorities, they are really great at finding evidence and only making accusations when they have the evidence for this

[user104658]

I guess it's feasible that it really happened to her and that caused her to become depressed and take her own life. But then, as she vocally hated Muslims, it's also feasible that she was mentally unwell and that manifested firstly as her creating the story about the abduction and attack, and then later taking her life. Which to be honest seems more realistic to me. Especially as it states that she continued her job as normal next day, and it would be nearly impossible for most people to carry on doing so without seeming visibly distressed / in shock after an incident like that.

Though that's supposition and in the absence of an investigation / evidence, it's not really possible to say what has actually happened.

[Kazanne]

Not really Withano no, she said - emphasis on "said" some racist things that doesn't lessen my sympathy for her being kidnapped and raped no, not even a bit.

I agree she is (was) free to think and say what she wants in that country I think , whether or not other people like it or not, it does not make what happened to her any more easier to stomach , plus ,would it enable what she said invalid to her family, friends etc,? I don't think so ,they probably have that hate even more now. the rapists have probably reinforced some peoples feelings of them.

[Niamh.]

I agree she is (was) free to think and say what she wants in that country I think , whether or not other people like it or not, it does not make what happened to her any more easier to stomach , plus ,would it enable what she said invalid to her family, friends etc,? I don't think so ,they probably have that hate even more now. the rapists have probably reinforced some peoples feelings of them.

Well yes *if* this is true (and I again I want to reiterate that I don't necessarily believe it is based on the limited information we have) It's extremely disgusting and worrying, having gangs of men going around punishing women by raping them for saying stuff they don't like. This is why I found the comments about not having sympathy for her pretty tasteless

[Withano]

Well yes *if* this is true (and I again I want to reiterate that I don't necessarily believe it is based on the limited information we have) It's extremely disgusting and worrying, having gangs of men going around punishing women by raping them for saying stuff they don't like. This is why I found the comments about not having sympathy for her pretty tasteless

Nobody said they didnt have sympathy, and you acknowledged why people would have less sympathy if this happened to Venables?

It is a pretty tasteless thing to discuss.. but you have implied you agreed on some level.

[Niamh.]

Nobody said they didnt have sympathy, and you acknowledged why people would have less sympathy if this happened to Venables?

It is a pretty tasteless thing to discuss.. but you have implied you agreed on some level.

If the same thing happened to someone who did that to someone else, that isn't comparable at all but whatever

[Withano]

If the same thing happened to someone who did that to someone else, that isn't comparable at all but whatever

It is though, you are acknowledging the scale of sympathy that was brought up.

Unless you’re saying yours is more of a ‘yes or no’ instead of a scale, i dont see the difference between what you and josh have said.

But even then if you have a yes or no filter, and others have a slider scale, is it that much of a difference anyway?

[Niamh.]

It is though, you are acknowledging the scale of sympathy that was brought up.

Unless you’re saying yours is more of a ‘yes or no’ instead of a scale, i dont see the difference between what you and josh have said.

But even then if you have a yes or no filter, and others have a slider scale, is it that much of a difference anyway?

Ugh Withano, I really have had enough of this argument. I don't think saying anything makes anyone more deserving to be raped than anyone else. End of discussion for me, carry on arguing with yourself if you like though.

[Withano]

Ugh Withano, I really have had enough of this argument. I don't think saying anything makes anyone more deserving to be raped than anyone else. End of discussion for me, carry on arguing with yourself if you like though.

But.. you brought it up again, not me haha.. and your stance isnt clear because youre kind of backtracking on a case like venables.

I sort of struggle to believe anybody would have the same level of sympathy across the board for somebody like venables, somebody like this politician, and somebody like my lovely elderly neighbour. Thats just not how human emotions work.

Thats three very clear different levels of sympathy for me, but if yours is a ‘no, yes, yes’ or a ‘yes, yes, yes’ i get that too... i just dont think anything that was said was technically incorrect.

[Niamh.]

But.. you brought it up again, not me haha.. and your stance isnt clear because youre kind of backtracking on a case like venables.

I sort of struggle to believe anybody would have the same level of sympathy across the board for somebody like venables, somebody like this politician, and somebody like my lovely elderly neighbour. Thats just not how human emotions work.

Thats three very clear different levels of sympathy for me, but if yours is a ‘no, yes, yes’ or a ‘yes, yes, yes’ i get that too... i just dont think anything that was said was technically incorrect.

I'm not back tracking at all, you brought up Venables not me, I would never say anyone deserved to be raped and I think if you read back my posts I didn't actually say that he would deserve to be raped more, I just said that he was guilty of doing something similar

[Withano]

I'm not back tracking at all, you brought up Venables not me, I would never say anyone deserved to be raped and I think if you read back my posts I didn't actually say that he would deserve to be raped more, I just said that he was guilty of doing something similar

Nobody deserves to be raped more, nobody said that! All that was said is about a level of sympathy.

And im struggling to believe anybody would have the same amount of sympathy for the three examples i used in my last post...

[Niamh.]

Nobody deserves to be raped more, nobody said that! All that was said is about a level of sympathy.

And im struggling to believe anybody would have the same amount of sympathy for the three examples i used in my last post...

I also said nothing about sympathy to do with JV so please don't put words in my mouth, you drop a name and then tell me I said it. I didn't and wouldn't.

[armand.kay]

So words make rape less bad, got it

I mean words are pretty powerful especially when you're in politics. She's not some ignorant troll on social media spewing hate, she's a public figure in politics and if she's saying things like all muslims should be wiped out I'm gonna take her very seriously. I'm not at all justifying what happened to her I wouldn't wish that on anybody but I can't say I hold as much sympathy towards her as would to someone who wasn't calling for a genocide

[Niamh.]

It's odd how even a thread about someone being kidnapped and raped by a gang comes back to being the womans fault.. not surprised really

[Nicky91]

I mean words are pretty powerful especially when you're in politics. She's not some ignorant troll on social media spewing hate, she's a public figure in politics and if she's saying things like all muslims should be wiped out I'm gonna take her very seriously. I'm not at all justifying what happened to her I wouldn't wish that on anybody but I can't say I hold a lot of sympathy towards her

this exactly, being a politician is a big responsibility, and i think most people will take anything what they have to say seriously


but also agree with you, i wouldn't wish such disgusting thing as rape, assault and kidnapping on anyone, not even my enemies if i had any


she also could've just been thinking like i need to have police protection cause suicide and leaving your children and husband behind is also not really the best option


police protection and good help trying to overcome from this horrible rape/assault incident

[Matthew.]

was she a prominent politician in the netherlands?

[Kazanne]

She must have been absolutely terrified tbh,poor woman,imagine being killed by the very thing you despise.

[Nicky91]

was she a prominent politician in the netherlands?

second most prominent in the PVV behind their party leader Geert Wilders


and some in the Tweede Kamer highest politics branch wanted her out of that because of her anti-muslim views, with also an Eerste Kamer where the lesser debates are held mostly from city mayors and younger teenage politicians

[Matthew.]

second most prominent in the PVV behind their party leader Geert Wilders


and some in the Tweede Kamer highest politics branch wanted her out of that because of her anti-muslim views, with also an Eerste Kamer where the lesser debates are held mostly from city mayors and younger teenage politicians

and is the PVV a prominent party in the netherlands?

[Nicky91]

and is the PVV a prominent party in the netherlands?

awful enough my family voted for them, while i didn't want to


Geert Wilders their leader is more like the dutch Trump, but also a mix with Corbyn i guess


he is against any foreigners in our country, but he's being a bit hypocritical with that since his own wife is from Hungary and also doesn't really speak a word dutch


prominent party's here are CDA (christian democrat party) SP (socialistic party) VVD (freedom of democracy party, also from our current PM Mark Rutte) GroenLinks (they are for the youth and nature)

[Matthew.]

awful enough my family voted for them, while i didn't want to


Geert Wilders their leader is more like the dutch Trump, but also a mix with Corbyn i guess

idgi, how’s he like Jeremy Corbyn if he’s also like Donald Trump?

[Nicky91]

idgi, how’s he like Jeremy Corbyn if he’s also like Donald Trump?

he looks like Trump, on the daily show with trevor noah was also mentioned Wilders could've been Trump's son

his political views are more like Corbyn's

[armand.kay]

It's odd how even a thread about someone being kidnapped and raped by a gang comes back to being the womans fault.. not surprised really

I'm not saying it's her fault at all. It's not gone over my head why something like rape was used as a weapon against a woman and I think it's a repugnant thing to do. I condemn those responsible and hope they receive the harshest sentence possible. However when a lot of my extended family and friends muslim I find it hard to a whole lot of sympathy for someone who would rather they were wiped out.

[Matthew.]

he looks like Trump, on the daily show with trevor noah was also mentioned Wilders could've been Trump's son

his political views are more like Corbyn's

but Corbyn is liberal, you said that this Gert man is conservative

[Nicky91]

but Corbyn is liberal, you said that this Gert man is conservative

i meant Corbyn's anti-semitism views, Wilders also has those views

[JoshBB]

So words make rape less bad, got it

No. I was just saying it personally makes me feel less sympathetic as opposed to someone who'd just been walking around living their life rather than spewing hate. That's all. It still isn't justified though.

Not to play devils advocate.. but you’d surely find the story more sad if the victim was a woman that always showed upmost respect for muslims and was seen by their country as a lovely person

I mean... maybe it shouldnt have been said, but it is unfortunately true.

Yes, that's what I was saying. thank you.

She must have been absolutely terrified tbh,poor woman,imagine being killed by the very thing you despise.

"Thing" - you mean muslims? like, I understand your anger at the rapist but this doesn't represent all muslims..

[JoshBB]

I'm not saying it's her fault at all. It's not gone over my head why something like rape was used as a weapon against a woman and I think it's a repugnant thing to do. I condemn those responsible and hope they receive the harshest sentence possible. However when a lot of my extended family and friends muslim I find it hard to a whole lot of sympathy for someone who would rather they were wiped out.

People are quick to disregard the lives of muslims as less important. Imagine if a muslim guy had said he wanted all white people wiped out by an atomic bomb.. right-wing trolls have said and done worse to muslims for simply existing.

[Matthew.]

i meant Corbyn's anti-semitism views, Wilders also has those views

corbyn’s not anti semetic lol

[Kazanne]

I'm not saying it's her fault at all. It's not gone over my head why something like rape was used as a weapon against a woman and I think it's a repugnant thing to do. I condemn those responsible and hope they receive the harshest sentence possible. However when a lot of my extended family and friends muslim I find it hard to a whole lot of sympathy for someone who would rather they were wiped out.

It works both ways though armand.kay, they also hate the Western world
0WLM0q64_CU

There are loads of videos like this.

[glibberglobber]

was she a prominent politician in the netherlands?

no respect :shrug:

uncapitalized name of a country :nono:

[Matthew.]

no respect :shrug:

uncapitalized name of a country :nono:

and your point is...

like how is that even relevant mess :skull:

[armand.kay]

It works both ways though armand.kay, they also hate the Western world
0WLM0q64_CU

There are loads of videos like this.

This isn't an us vs them situation where every single muslim wants to see the end the western world. Like I said I have muslim friends and family I don't really think they should be lumped in with radicles.

also theres loads of videos I can find of white people expressing hate towards people like me and you don't see me calling for a white genocide

[Kazanne]

This isn't an us vs them situation where every single muslim wants to see the end the western world. Like I said I have muslim friends and family I don't really think they should be lumped in with radicles.

also theres loads of videos I can find of white people expressing hate towards people like me and you don't see me calling for a white genocide

That's what I said armand.kay it works both ways, I have muslim friends too I think most of us have, it's a shame anyone hates anyone really,but there is a lot of it about.

[Alf]

I mean words are pretty powerful especially when you're in politics. She's not some ignorant troll on social media spewing hate, she's a public figure in politics and if she's saying things like all muslims should be wiped out I'm gonna take her very seriously. I'm not at all justifying what happened to her I wouldn't wish that on anybody but I can't say I hold as much sympathy towards her as would to someone who wasn't calling for a genocideI'd prefer politicians to be honest and say what they believe to gain votes rather than be dishonest to gain votes.

[Parmy]

I think we should all take the ppv's advice and "leave willie alone"


Until the accusations and story is confirmed.

[armand.kay]

That's what I said armand.kay it works both ways, I have muslim friends too I think most of us have, it's a shame anyone hates anyone really,but there is a lot of it about.
yeah it really a shame

I'd prefer politicians to be honest and say what they believe to gain votes rather than be dishonest to gain votes.

Did I give off the impression that I would have it another way?

[Niamh.]

This isn't an us vs them situation where every single muslim wants to see the end the western world. Like I said I have muslim friends and family I don't really think they should be lumped in with radicles.

also theres loads of videos I can find of white people expressing hate towards people like me and you don't see me calling for a white genocideYes it certainly isn't and I don't in anyway shape or form agree with her views or what she said

[jaxie]

It's odd how even a thread about someone being kidnapped and raped by a gang comes back to being the womans fault.. not surprised really

IKR. I hope half of them don't even realize what they are saying because the idea people are justifying physical violance and rape because of hate speech is just terrifying. Do we women really have such little value that words can justify hurting us?

For the record words do not ever justify or excuse doing physical harm to someone no matter how vile their rhetoric.

[Vicky.]

What an odd story. I genuinely do not know what to think of this, but the raping as punishment for saying stuff is ****ing disgusting to be quite honest.

[JoshBB]

It works both ways though armand.kay, they also hate the Western world
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There are loads of videos like this.

Those kinds of people don't represent all Muslims, let alone a signifcant % of the world's 1.8 billion muslims. Making such generalisations only worsens the divide the far-right seek to create.

IKR. I hope half of them don't even realize what they are saying because the idea people are justifying physical violance and rape because of hate speech is just terrifying. Do we women really have such little value that words can justify hurting us?

For the record words do not ever justify or excuse doing physical harm to someone no matter how vile their rhetoric.

Nobody in this thread has attempted to justify it.

& I disagree with your last part (bolded). For example, Hitler deserved a smack round the face for sure. As would anyone who holded similarly dangerous views

[Parmy]

http://0.static.upcoming.nl/static/images/7e288084bb_1400790469_Willie-Dille-van-de-PVV__list-noup.jpg

PVV (party for freedom) member Willie Dille has tragically ended her own life after she was raped, assaulted and kidnapped by muslims, a plan orchestrated by her former colleague at PVV Arnoud van Doorn

she was well known for her hate towards muslims, she once stated that all muslims should be wiped out with an atomic bomb, so she was very controversial here in our dutch politics, same as PVV leader Geert Wilders

Willie Dille was 53 years old, she had 4 kids

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Dille

http://www.dagelijksestandaard.nl/2018/08/brekend-haagse-pvv-raadslid-willie-dille-heeft-zelfmoord-gepleegd/

i can't say i am shocked about the rape and assault at her from muslims, since she had said many nasty things about them, which might've also triggered anger against her, but she was told to just tell the police and file charges against her abductors/rapists, but she didn't probably out of fear



Did she say those things after she was raped, or raped for saying those things..do we know?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Those kinds of people don't represent all Muslims, let alone a signifcant % of the world's 1.8 billion muslims. Making such generalisations only worsens the divide the far-right seek to create.



Nobody in this thread has attempted to justify it.

& I disagree with your last part (bolded). For example, Hitler deserved a smack round the face for sure. As would anyone who holded similarly dangerous views

Yep, its the wrong type of muslims

[JoshBB]

Yep, its the wrong type of muslims

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If we can't differentiate between normal muslims just living their life and the odd weirdo extremists, we can't progress. i'm glad that you can make the distinction because it seems like some people cant lol

[Scarlett.]

Regardless of her opinions, such a horrific thing to happen that I would not wish upon anyone.

[jaxie]

Those kinds of people don't represent all Muslims, let alone a signifcant % of the world's 1.8 billion muslims. Making such generalisations only worsens the divide the far-right seek to create.



Nobody in this thread has attempted to justify it.

& I disagree with your last part (bolded). For example, Hitler deserved a smack round the face for sure. As would anyone who holded similarly dangerous views

Hitler was responsible for the death of somewhere in the region of 60 million people. There is no comparison possible between Hitler and someone else who talks hate but doesn't act on it.

[Nicky91]

an update: there will be no investigation, due to lack of solid leads of starting a investigation into this case, i think it's because Willie never filed charges against her attackers so there isn't anything about this now on paper, apart from her facebook message


this really feels very strange to me now either

[Livia]

I am disgusted that sympathy for a rape victim has to be quantified. I feel sympathy, but she hated Muslims, so... I care less.

Rape has been a despicable weapon of war since wars have been fought. And anyone who thinks they have slightly less sympathy for her because of her political views... well, that's quite disgusting. But not surprising.

[Nicky91]

I am disgusted that sympathy for a rape victim has to be quantified. I feel sympathy, but she hated Muslims, so... I care less.

Rape has been a despicable weapon of war since wars have been fought. And anyone who thinks they have slightly less sympathy for her because of her political views... well, that's quite disgusting. But not surprising.

rapists and paedophiles are 2 of the lowest types of scum on this world


Rape is a nasty nasty weapon because you also can't find enough solid evidence for to make a solid strong case against your attacker


i feel so sad that there won't coming a investigation for this case, and that her attackers could just walk away without any punishment, that is a injustice but only if she filed charges against them then they could've had a investigation now with a likely outcome of them catching whoever responsible for this crime

[Livia]

rapists and paedophiles are 2 of the lowest types of scum on this world


Rape is a nasty nasty weapon because you also can't find enough solid evidence for to make a solid strong case against your attacker


i feel so sad that there won't coming a investigation for this case, and that her attackers could just walk away without any punishment, that is a injustice but only if she filed charges against them then they could've had a investigation now with a likely outcome of them catching whoever responsible for this crime

So, a right-winger is gang-raped by a bunch of Muslims... and there will be no investigation? Way to make the Right more powerful.