Jeremy Corbyn admits being present at wreath-laying for Munich terrorists

[Northern Monkey]

Labour leader confirms he attended ceremony where 'wreath was laid' for attackers who murdered 11 Israeli athletes.

Jeremy Corbyn has admitted attending a ceremony for the terrorists behind the Munich massacre, but denied laying a wreath himself.

The Labour leader said he was “present” at a memorial event commemorating those responsible for the 1972 attack, despite his office previously insisting he was only at the event in question honouring Palestinians killed in an Israeli air strike.





https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-munich-attack-wreaths-palestinian-terrorists-antisemitism-a8489731.html

[UserSince2005]

sick ****ing bastard

[kirklancaster]

WHY is such a despicable bastard STILL in the Labour Party let alone LEADING it? :shrug:

[smudgie]

:shrug: it's his thing.
He does like terrorists.

[Northern Monkey]

A picture speaks a thousand words...


https://news.sky.com/story/benjamin-netanyahu-attacks-jeremy-corbyn-over-wreath-laying-memorial-11471988


He says he never layed a wreath.Maybe he was just holding it and not laying it

[Oliver_W]

What makes it appropriate to attend an event mourning the loss of terrorist life?

[UserSince2005]

it just foul.
its disgusting.
not even donald trump would do such a thing.
hes a rat.

[jaxie]

And a few days ago labour pundits were calling for Boris sacking for daring to mention the burqa. Oh the hypocrisy.

[Oliver_W]

Creepy hashtags such as #WeStandWithCorbyn and from last week, #WeAreCorbyn will continue to trend...

[Ammi]

Labour leader confirms he attended ceremony where 'wreath was laid' for attackers who murdered 11 Israeli athletes.

Jeremy Corbyn has admitted attending a ceremony for the terrorists behind the Munich massacre, but denied laying a wreath himself.

The Labour leader said he was “present” at a memorial event commemorating those responsible for the 1972 attack, despite his office previously insisting he was only at the event in question honouring Palestinians killed in an Israeli air strike.





https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-munich-attack-wreaths-palestinian-terrorists-antisemitism-a8489731.html

...hmmmm, I guess we’ll see how this ‘story’ unfolds...the problem for me with Jeremy is that he seems to be ‘present’ at too many terrorist associated honouring, type things through his life...things that commemorate those who have callously and brutally taken innocent lives...I do feel the country so desperately needs a strong labour government atm especially...but I fear Jeremy isn’t the person to lead it...not by a long mile...

[user104658]

Hmm. He is at far too many of these things, that's fairly clear. On the other hand - I don't think he actually "supports terrorist action" - I think he genuinely believes what he's saying (that he wants to see cycles of violence end) and he actually believes that he's going about it the right way. However I think there are some major glaring flaws in his logic... And also at this point, Labour definitely needs a new leader.

But then... They all need to go tbqfh. We're in major need of a clean slate in British politics... The likes of BoJo and cronies need to **** off too and let us enter a new and hopefully better era of politics.

[bots]

yeah, the picture below shows he really wasn't involved in the ceremony

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/13F15/production/_102958618_cdc2bfd7-e666-45b2-916a-55b62e7a2d77.jpg

[Beso]

Mr Corbyn*said: “I was present when it was laid. I don’t think I was actually involved in it.”.............please dont let there be a picture of me laying it.

[Oliver_W]

Hmm. He is at far too many of these things, that's fairly clear. On the other hand - I don't think he actually "supports terrorist action" - I think he genuinely believes what he's saying (that he wants to see cycles of violence end) and he actually believes that he's going about it the right way. However I think there are some major glaring flaws in his logic... And also at this point, Labour definitely needs a new leader.

Speaking to both sides on equal footing would be one thing. But what would attending the wreath-laying for an out and out terrorist achieve?

[arista]

yeah, the picture below shows he really wasn't involved in the ceremony

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/13F15/production/_102958618_cdc2bfd7-e666-45b2-916a-55b62e7a2d77.jpg



Yes he should now say he was there
close to the Ceremony.
A year before he became leader.

The longer he does not make a 2nd statement
on TV and Radio news - the worse it gets
as Live TV & Radio debates are going on, right now.

[arista]

Some say the Daily Mail got rid of Ed Miliband

It appears
The Daily Mail could also get rid of the Current Labour Leader
Jeremy Corbyn?

[Livia]

And John McDonald has a plaque hanging in his office right now - the office of the Shadow Chancellor - commemorating the IRA and INLA hunger strikers, or martyrs, as they are described on the plaque. Nothing surprises me any more except the fact that some people still support them.

[y.winter]

Filthy antisemitic. Should've already been kicked out of Labour.

[RileyH]

Gross

[GoldHeart]

Filthy antisemitic. Should've already been kicked out of Labour.

Corbyn doesn't know what to do as he can't win no matter what he does .

He gets called anti-Semitic one minute then he gets called a terrorist sympathiser . I hope people are happy when Teresa May gets another term in office :whistle: .

The character assassination is crazy on corbyn , he hasn't a chance in the next election.

The government will always be the same but the faces may change :bored: .

[arista]

He has spoken again today Ch4HD News
saying he was there in memory of the attack in 1985 Tunisia
which was condemned Worldwide.
And he layed a wreath

[kirklancaster]

Corbyn doesn't know what to do as he can't win no matter what he does .

He gets called anti-Semitic one minute then he gets called a terrorist sympathiser . I hope people are happy when Teresa May gets another term in office :whistle: .

The character assassination is crazy on corbyn , he hasn't a chance in the next election.

The government will always be the same but the faces may change :bored: .

Are you REALLY being serious, Goldheart?

One can be both anti-Semitic AND a terrorist sympathiser and scheming bastard Corbyn has proved to be BOTH over decades in politics.

Like Livia, I am bewildered how ANYONE in this country can continue to defend this slimeball.

We NEED a Labour Party - one which honestly and fairly represents the best interests of the poorer classes of society as well as the United Kingdom in general, and one which offers a GENUINE alternative to the Conservatives.

Labour as it now does NEITHER and Corbyn and his REAL motives for wanting power is responsible for a large part of just WHY Labour is NOT fit to form a Government.

He is a ****ing disgrace.

[Kazanne]

Are you REALLY being serious, Goldheart?

One can be both anti-Semitic AND a terrorist sympathiser and scheming bastard Corbyn has proved to be BOTH over decades in politics.

Like Livia, I am bewildered how ANYONE in this country can continue to defend this slimeball.

We NEED a Labour Party - one which honestly and fairly represents the best interests of the poorer classes of society as well as the United Kingdom in general, and one which offers a GENUINE alternative to the Conservatives.

Labour as it now does NEITHER and Corbyn and his REAL motives for wanting power is responsible for a large part of just WHY Labour is NOT fit to form a Government.

He is a ****ing disgrace.

Well ,Kirk,I can't really add much tothat,very well said:wavey:

[kirklancaster]

Well ,Kirk,I can't really add much tothat,very well said:wavey:

:wavey: Hi Kaz.

I don't know how ANYONE can lambaste Trump whilst they are defending Corbyn. :shrug:

[JoshBB]

oh wow.

I only saw bits on this through twitter, and I got the impression that he was laying a wreath for someone else and these bastards' graves just happened to be nearby.

Labour really need a new leader

[GoldHeart]

Are you REALLY being serious, Goldheart?

One can be both anti-Semitic AND a terrorist sympathiser and scheming bastard Corbyn has proved to be BOTH over decades in politics.

Like Livia, I am bewildered how ANYONE in this country can continue to defend this slimeball.

We NEED a Labour Party - one which honestly and fairly represents the best interests of the poorer classes of society as well as the United Kingdom in general, and one which offers a GENUINE alternative to the Conservatives.

Labour as it now does NEITHER and Corbyn and his REAL motives for wanting power is responsible for a large part of just WHY Labour is NOT fit to form a Government.

He is a ****ing disgrace.

People are fickle AF I remember the OTT praise Corbyn got when he became labour leader , they even started complimenting his son saying he looks like a "Hollywood actor & model" .

And they treated Corbyn like superman , wow how things have turned predictable much :bored: .

The point I'm making is what ever Corbyn does he's now slated, and this hate campaign against him is happening while sweeping under the rug all Teresa May's dirty antics :suspect:.

I don't believe Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser one bit, he never said he was laying a wreath for terrorists, he said he was paying his respects to the victims.

I'm not saying Corbyn is perfect, after all the guy is human but it just makes me laugh how quickly the media and everyone has turned against him , when not long ago people were treating him like a hero :facepalm: . I know opinions change but jeeeez ! .

[Maru]

People are fickle AF I remember the OTT praise Corbyn got when he became labour leader , they even started complimenting his son saying he looks like a "Hollywood actor & model" .

And they treated Corbyn like superman , wow how things have turned predictable much :bored: .

The point I'm making is what ever Corbyn does he's now slated, and this hate campaign against him is happening while sweeping under the rug all Teresa May's dirty antics :suspect:.

I don't believe Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser one bit, he never said he was laying a wreath for terrorists, he said he was paying his respects to the victims.

I'm not saying Corbyn is perfect, after all the guy is human but it just makes me laugh how quickly the media and everyone has turned against him , when not long ago people were treating him like a hero :facepalm: . I know opinions change but jeeeez ! .

While I do see your point (particularly the first three paragraphs) about the extremes of media coverage, as I understand the article, he laid the wreath for the attackers and posed over their grave sites?... maybe he laid a wreath for the victims as well, but that hardly matters for those who feel the first action was unacceptable.

The other point to be made is he felt the need to leave out the pertinent bits about his actions regarding the wreath. I understand wanting to dovetail a controversy, but he inevitably fueled it when he decided rather than cop to what had transpired, he would render misleading statement(s) instead.

Jeremy Corbyn has admitted attending a ceremony for the terrorists behind the Munich massacre, but denied laying a wreath himself.

The Labour leader said he was “present” at a memorial event commemorating those responsible for the 1972 attack, despite his office previously insisting he was only at the event in question honouring Palestinians killed in an Israeli air strike.

Wreath laying photos and placements
Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6057121/Benjamin-Netanyahu-condemns-Jeremy-Corbyn-wreath-laying.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ito=1490&ns_campaign=1490

Even it is clear what he said, but if his actions aren't as clear as his words, then his detractors are going to tend to focus on the bits that don't add up...

My general thoughts on this story:

We in the US as well are having issues with Anti-Semitic-ism and other forms of racism. So it is understandable if folk there would prefer not to see the culture go further our direction when it comes to this. So I think it makes sense to want to map out an opposition party that doesn't cater to either. I wouldn't say that condemnation here is often now reciprocal enough. Certain forms of racism and discrimination go under the radar often here, but it just seems as an outsider that the UK is better about dealing with both sides of the equation when it comes to race-relations? Whereas our focus is very minute one and often one-sided... very politics-driven.

Though admittedly, this notion of governing all race relations from our own cultural perspective is getting a bit hairy. Yes, we should condemn all forms, but we can't operate in such a way that we attempt to domineer relations between members of groups we the individual don't reside in...

In Corbyn's case however, he will potentially be the PM and will govern policy. So it is important he is on the right page morally. Granted that page is more difficult to find now when both sides are growing further and further apart when it comes to the overall moral spectrum. So yeah, endless smear campaigns as both sides attempt to shame-boast their moral opponents into a political oblivion ... so while one side argues this means nothing, the other would argue it means everything, etc...

But yeah, this constant muck-muck campaign is getting old fast... so I'm on board with your primary point. However, Corbyn potentially being PM, it would not be good if he were to be elected and only sided with certain groups... I'd prefer we had a lame duck President than one that only worries about one side of the political equation... and we haven't had that kind of leader in a really long time it feels like...

[Ammi]

Hmm. He is at far too many of these things, that's fairly clear. On the other hand - I don't think he actually "supports terrorist action" - I think he genuinely believes what he's saying (that he wants to see cycles of violence end) and he actually believes that he's going about it the right way. However I think there are some major glaring flaws in his logic... And also at this point, Labour definitely needs a new leader.

But then... They all need to go tbqfh. We're in major need of a clean slate in British politics... The likes of BoJo and cronies need to **** off too and let us enter a new and hopefully better era of politics.

..yeah I think basically this...it is interesting how Corbyn has become such a perceived ‘hero/saviour’ type leader...and I think it’s because the western world is becoming more and more right wing in its views, so it’s a pulling back from that possibly..?..but then pulling back too far left when centre is more the thing the most people want...both right and left viewed people..?...and he’s not the person to achieve any type of centre in politics...so a clean slate as it were but that’s not realistically going to happen either...or any time soon, I don’t feel..centre will take a long time to achieve ..?...all of this tug of war stuff of politics will go on I fear...

...it’s often felt that ‘PC’, what has become the more negative meaning of ‘PC’ has been the cause of more right leaning views...and of things like Trump being elected and of Brexit happening...and that’s a fair point really...but I think the reverse is also a danger...the more the country pulls right in views, the more likelihood of a very left Prime Minister happening, like Jeremy..?...too right/too left, they’re both opposite sides of the same coin and a coin that isn’t good for any country...

[Oliver_W]

The love of Corbyn is just weird. When people buy tote bags or t-shirts with his face on, and he occasionally has trending hashtags where people declare their love for him, he comes off more as the leader of a creepy cult than the leader of the Opposition.

[Ammi]

The love of Corbyn is just weird. When people buy tote bags or t-shirts with his face on, and he occasionally has trending hashtags where people declare their love for him, he comes off more as the leader of a creepy cult than the leader of the Opposition.

...oh come on Oliver, you know you want one of those t-shirts...you know you do, just give in to it...

https://ih0.redbubble.net/image.151118418.0356/ra%2Cunisex_tshirt%2Cx925%2Cfafafa%3Aca443f4786%2C front-c%2C217%2C190%2C210%2C230-bg%2Cf8f8f8.lite-1.jpg

[Oliver_W]

One of us ... One of us ...

[kirklancaster]

yeah, the picture below shows he really wasn't involved in the ceremony

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/13F15/production/_102958618_cdc2bfd7-e666-45b2-916a-55b62e7a2d77.jpg

There must be thousands of evil terrorists around the world all fervently dreaming of that wonderful day when Corbyn becomes the Prime Minister of the UK.

Oh, what a glorious boost to their cause, destroying a democratic Western world power from within, with policies which will wreck the economy and weaken our defences.

And the naive and misguided, short-sighted Liberal Left which support him will find out to ALL our costs just what long-term misery they have bought into because of illusionary short-term 'gains' for the 'underprivileged'

There is NOTHING more dangerous to the future of the UK than Jeremy Corbyn - except the idiots who support him.

[GoldHeart]

There must be thousands of evil terrorists around the world all fervently dreaming of that wonderful day when Corbyn becomes the Prime Minister of the UK.

Oh, what a glorious boost to their cause, destroying a democratic Western world power from within, with policies which will wreck the economy and weaken our defences.

And the naive and misguided, short-sighted Liberal Left which support him will find out to ALL our costs just what long-term misery they have bought into because of illusionary short-term 'gains' for the 'underprivileged'

There is NOTHING more dangerous to the future of the UK than Jeremy Corbyn - except the idiots who support him.

There's literally an orange maniac in the white House , and you're worried about Corbyn becoming PM ?? :facepalm: .

I'm sure I saw a comment about wreath gate saying "not even Trump would do that " ,what kind of world do we live in where people think corbyn is worse than Trump :umm2::crazy: .

And Corbyn is not George Galloway , he's the one who always seemed best buddies with dictators & terrorists to the point where it was cringy .
I still think the media is twisting this story & running with it to make Corbyn look bad . I still didn't see concrete evidence of what he's accused of . Maybe I've missed something .

I just find it bizarre and predictable how quickly the media & everyone has turned against him, and I doubt many people "love " him these days . I don't love him but I make do with him as he's the labour leader,but I feel whoever is in charge of labour will always get hated . Ed Milliband was constantly mocked , nobody listened to him instead they wished his brother won , which is bs as his brother would of gotten the same thankless treatment.

And don't worry with this spectacular smear campaign against Corbyn, he hasn't got a cat in hell's chance of getting in office . The Tory's will always be in power but the faces may change :sleep:

I think people need to look at the bigger picture, interesting how people have forgotten May's shady antics she basically was revealed as corrupt . I guess it's the Trump effect and all is forgiven while other distractions happen .

[Livia]

There's literally an orange maniac in the white House , and you're worried about Corbyn becoming PM ?? :facepalm: .

I'm sure I saw a comment about wreath gate saying "not even Trump would do that " ,what kind of world do we live in where people think corbyn is worse than Trump :umm2::crazy: .

And Corbyn is not George Galloway , he's the one who always seemed best buddies with dictators & terrorists to the point where it was cringy .
I still think the media is twisting this story & running with it to make Corbyn look bad . I still didn't see concrete evidence of what he's accused of . Maybe I've missed something .

I just find it bizarre and predictable how quickly the media & everyone has turned against him, and I doubt many people "love " him these days . I don't love him but I make do with him as he's the labour leader,but I feel whoever is in charge of labour will always get hated . Ed Milliband was constantly mocked , nobody listened to him instead they wished his brother won , which is bs as his brother would of gotten the same thankless treatment.

And don't worry with this spectacular smear campaign against Corbyn, he hasn't got a cat in hell's chance of getting in office . The Tory's will always be in power but the faces may change :sleep:

I think people need to look at the bigger picture, interesting how people have forgotten May's shady antics she basically was revealed as corrupt . I guess it's the Trump effect and all is forgiven while other distractions happen .

A smear campaign. That's hilarious.


Corbyn - for the many - not the Jew.

[kirklancaster]

A smear campaign. That's hilarious.


Corbyn - for the many - not the Jew.

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:Hi Liv :wavey:

[Livia]

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:Hi Liv :wavey:

Hey Kirk x

[kirklancaster]

There's literally an orange maniac in the white House , and you're worried about Corbyn becoming PM ?? :facepalm: .

I'm sure I saw a comment about wreath gate saying "not even Trump would do that " ,what kind of world do we live in where people think corbyn is worse than Trump :umm2::crazy: .

And Corbyn is not George Galloway , he's the one who always seemed best buddies with dictators & terrorists to the point where it was cringy .
I still think the media is twisting this story & running with it to make Corbyn look bad . I still didn't see concrete evidence of what he's accused of . Maybe I've missed something .

I just find it bizarre and predictable how quickly the media & everyone has turned against him, and I doubt many people "love " him these days . I don't love him but I make do with him as he's the labour leader,but I feel whoever is in charge of labour will always get hated . Ed Milliband was constantly mocked , nobody listened to him instead they wished his brother won , which is bs as his brother would of gotten the same thankless treatment.

And don't worry with this spectacular smear campaign against Corbyn, he hasn't got a cat in hell's chance of getting in office . The Tory's will always be in power but the faces may change :sleep:

I think people need to look at the bigger picture, interesting how people have forgotten May's shady antics she basically was revealed as corrupt . I guess it's the Trump effect and all is forgiven while other distractions happen .

Oh, you've missed something alright, Goldheart; one scandal after another over decades IRREFUTABLY evidencing Corbyn' love for, allegiance to, and shared politics with, one evil terrorist group after another.

Oh, and no need to 'facepalm me - I'm not the one who has so evidently been living in a bubble.

[GoldHeart]

Oh, you've missed something alright, Goldheart; one scandal after another over decades IRREFUTABLY evidencing Corbyn' love for, allegiance to, and shared politics with, one evil terrorist group after another.

Oh, and no need to 'facepalm me - I'm not the one who has so evidently been living in a bubble.

:joker: But yet when he became leader of the labour party people were practically worshipping him ,and even praising his son who nobody ever sees !!! .

Decades of being allied with terrorist groups?? Yet being portrayed as a super hero figure to the point where it's ridiculous , just doesn't make sense to me . Now all of a sudden he's the worst person ever?? .

If you look closely you'll realise the government in general has links with terrorists especially when it comes to helping supply with weapons etc and the list goes on .

Don't get me started on the dodgy deals May is making with the DUP ,I don't trust them.

[user104658]

I'm not a Corbyn fan and I think he's clearly made plenty of suspect and unfortunate decisions, I don't particularly want him to be PM (though no less than I want VoJo or ****ing Tit Mogg as PM)

... but anyone who doesn't think there is currently a deliberate propaganda campaign against him is flat out deluded :joker:. They did the same thing with Milliband; they just had less juicy material to work with so had to target his dad, his sandwich eating proficiency, and the fact that he looks like claymation.

"Corbyn HATES TEH JEWS!" certainly makes bolder headlines.

[user104658]

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:Hi Liv :wavey:Hey Kirk xDon't turn this thread into a silly circlejerk, guys, we're draining the swamp :nono:.

[bots]

:joker: But yet when he became leader of the labour party people were practically worshipping him ,and even praising his son who nobody ever sees !!! .

Decades of being allied with terrorist groups?? Yet being portrayed as a super hero figure to the point where it's ridiculous , just doesn't make sense to me . Now all of a sudden he's the worst person ever?? .

If you look closely you'll realise the government in general has links with terrorists especially when it comes to helping supply with weapons etc and the list goes on .

Don't get me started on the dodgy deals May is making with the DUP ,I don't trust them.

Some people were worshiping him that were unaware of or refused to believe his shady past. Many, including myself have always said the guy is a shady terrorist supporter. Look back over time on this forum and you will see people noting his support of the ira terrorists and middle eastern terrorists. He has shared a platform with dodgy characters for decades. There are only so many times he can play the ... oh, i didn't know card.

His antisemitism is borne from his support of those terrorist organisations, same as many in the labour party, and now its firmly in public focus - as it should be. This guy could be the next PM and no matter peoples politics, its important that people know what they could be letting themselves in for. I am no particular fan of May, really don't like her at all, but she is not and never has been up to the dodgy dealings that Corbyn has.

[GoldHeart]

I'm not a Corbyn fan and I think he's clearly made plenty of suspect and unfortunate decisions, I don't particularly want him to be PM (though no less than I want VoJo or ****ing Tit Mogg as PM)

... but anyone who doesn't think there is currently a deliberate propaganda campaign against him is flat out deluded :joker:. They did the same thing with Milliband; they just had less juicy material to work with so had to target his dad, his sandwich eating proficiency, and the fact that he looks like claymation.

"Corbyn HATES TEH JEWS!" certainly makes bolder headlines.

Exactly !!

Notice how we're hearing less & less about May & the Tories :suspect:.

As I previously said Milliband was mocked & treated like crap ,for no reason . People took the pee out his voice & his looks and even laughed at him eating a sandwich :bored: but none of them bothered to listen to him .

Interesting how people supported Cameron though ,who could easily of been mocked for his face . No matter what Labour always gets mud thrown at them , it's always the same.

[user104658]

I am no particular fan of May, really don't like her at all, but she is not and never has been up to the dodgy dealings that Corbyn has.

Well she did sell billions of pounds worth of military weaponry to Saudi Arabia which were then used on civilians. And, of course, claimed that she "didn't know". But I guess there aren't many high profile politicians who don't have a finger in that particular pie, so it gets overlooked as "the norm".

[Livia]

Corbyn is the leader of a party that has major problems with antisemitism and as leader he's done nothing to help rectify it. That doesn't mean to say the other parties are perfect... but Corbyn and his Labour party do have an antisemitism problem that no one is addressing. That's how I feel. And that's how my family feel, and we've discussed it at length. My grandmother thinks he's a dangerous man and is quite frightened of him, that's mostly because she is a holocaust survivor and knows how little it takes for a whole community to singled out and oppressed. Now, I'm not saying that Corbyn might turn into Hitler, but the fact that he has so many questions to answer and has answered none to my satisfaction makes him look weak at best and antisemitic at worst. Most Jewish people I speak to, including Labour supporters, think Cornbyn needs to piss or get off the pot when it comes to standing up to antisemitism. The fact that he has done so little makes up till now me think he doesn't want to.

[Livia]

Exactly !!

Notice how we're hearing less & less about May & the Tories :suspect:.

As I previously said Milliband was mocked & treated like crap ,for no reason . People took the pee out his voice & his looks and even laughed at him eating a sandwich :bored: but none of them bothered to listen to him .

Interesting how people supported Cameron though ,who could easily of been mocked for his face . No matter what Labour always gets mud thrown at them , it's always the same.


So you think that May and Boris and all the others in the Tory party never get mocked and treated like crap. Interesting...

It saddens me to think that Islamophobia is quite rightly not acceptable in the Labour party... antisemitism though? Well... they're Jews, right? Who cares? At least that's how it's come over to me lately.

[GoldHeart]

Well she did sell billions of pounds worth of military weaponry to Saudi Arabia which were then used on civilians. And, of course, claimed that she "didn't know". But I guess there aren't many high profile politicians who don't have a finger in that particular pie, so it gets overlooked as "the norm".

She'll always say she "didn't know"
Look at the windrush scandal, that's quickly being swept under the carpet now .

[Livia]

No one sold arms under Tony Blair? He took us to war on a lie. Talking about things being swept under the carpet...

[GoldHeart]

So you think that May and Boris and all the others in the Tory party never get mocked and treated like crap. Interesting...

It saddens me to think that Islamophobia is quite rightly not acceptable in the Labour party... antisemitism though? Well... they're Jews, right? Who cares? At least that's how it's come over to me lately.

No Livia :nono:
That's not what I said ,but they're getting less bad publicity it's do obvious what's happening.

I still don't believe Corbyn is anti-Semitic , he's probably associated or been linked with people who are but doesn't mean he is himself .

[user104658]

No one sold arms under Tony Blair? He took us to war on a lie. Talking about things being swept under the carpet...

I guess there aren't many high profile politicians who don't have a finger in that particular pie, so it gets overlooked as "the norm".

Just because it's become commonplace, does not make it less serious.

[GoldHeart]

No one sold arms under Tony Blair? He took us to war on a lie. Talking about things being swept under the carpet...

:joker: Are you kidding?? , Nothing Blair did was ever swept under the carpet . Even now he still gets blamed for the war on Iraq

[Livia]

No Livia :nono:
That's not what I said ,but they're getting less bad publicity it's do obvious what's happening.

I still don't believe Corbyn is anti-Semitic , he's probably associated or been linked with people who are but doesn't mean he is himself .

I think laying wreaths on the graves of terrorists colours my judgement about him. The IRA, the PLO, Hamas... there are plenty of terrorist causes he and his colleagues support. And he can't make the distinction between being Israeli and being Jewish.

Corbyn could have put an end to the antisemitism allegations a long, long time ago. But he didn't. Instead he's kept his silence and that can only lead me to believe he is antisemitic. And meanwhile his supporters respond with stuff like... It's all a smear campaign... and yeah, but what about the Tories!

[Livia]

:joker: Are you kidding?? , Nothing Blair did was ever swept under the carpet . Even now he still gets blamed for the war on Iraq

And are YOU kidding by claiming the Tories selling arms to Saudi has been swept under the carpet? How come we're talking about it??

Who else should be blamed for the war on Iraq?

All the political parties get trolled by the press. Singling out the Labour party as being particularly affected is more ridiculous than the antisemitism denials.

[user104658]

And are YOU kidding by claiming the Tories selling arms to Saudi has been swept under the carpet? How come we're talking about it??

Who else should be blamed for the war on Iraq?

All the political parties get trolled by the press. Singling out the Labour party as being particularly affected is more ridiculous than the antisemitism denials.

The mainstream UK tabloid press is heavily skewed towards the Conservatives. We're not going to start denying that now too, surely?

[GoldHeart]

And are YOU kidding by claiming the Tories selling arms to Saudi has been swept under the carpet? How come we're talking about it??

Who else should be blamed for the war on Iraq?

All the political parties get trolled by the press. Singling out the Labour party as being particularly affected is more ridiculous than the antisemitism denials.

It's being downplayed , labour are getting a much negative backlash that's my point.

The war on Iraq was both Blair & Bush let's open our eyes :nono:, I never said Blair didn't have a part in it but it wasn't just him .

[user104658]

The war on Iraq was both Blair & Bush let's open our eyes :nono:, I never said Blair didn't have a part in it but it wasn't just him .

To be fair in my opinion there were far bigger global tides driving the Iraq war than individuals like Bush or Blair (it would have happened regardless of who was POTUS or PM) but I think that's a whooole other thread :joker:.

[Livia]

It's being downplayed , labour are getting a much negative backlash that's my point.

The war on Iraq was both Blair & Bush let's open our eyes :nono:, I never said Blair didn't have a part in it but it wasn't just him .

Well I can tell you that the feeling amongst Jews is very different.

I mean, he's denied he laid a wreath on the graves of the terrorist who killed Israelis at the Munich Olympics. He ONLY laid a wreath on terrorists who were training at a PLO camp in Tunis. Oh well, that's fine then!

There's also the fact that Labour want to change the definition of antisemitism. Everyone else in the world uses the definition in its entirety... but Labour want to change it.

I have not personally seen a news story in this country affect the Jewish community so deeply.... ever.

[Livia]

The mainstream UK tabloid press is heavily skewed towards the Conservatives. We're not going to start denying that now too, surely?

I don't read the tabloid press. And no one I know takes them seriously.

Antisemitism is a problem for Labour. With or without the tabloids.

And what do you mean, am I going to deny that "too".

Maybe I'm a little too close to this argument.

[GoldHeart]

To be fair in my opinion there were far bigger global tides driving the Iraq war than individuals like Bush or Blair (it would have happened regardless of who was POTUS or PM) but I think that's a whooole other thread :joker:.

But what I'm saying is nobody ever let's Blair forget that huge mistake he made , but Bush had a part in it as well .

Yeah maybe regardless we would of still gone to war with Iraq, but we'll never know now.

I remember Lib dem's later on saying "oh we'd of never gone to war " , I remember thinking sure it's easier to say that once the damages have been done . Back then lib dem's converted a few people towards them with their no war peace campaign. Now look at what's happened to them :bored: .

[Livia]

Tony Blair took THIS country to war. Bush didn't... Tony Blair was the leader of this country at the time. And it was the wrong decision made on faulty information.

I don't see why he should ever be allowed to forget.

[GoldHeart]

Tony Blair took THIS country to war. Bush didn't... Tony Blair was the leader of this country at the time. And it was the wrong decision made on faulty information.

I don't see why he should ever be allowed to forget.

But DIDN'T you claim people swept Blair's actions under the carpet ?? .
I was pointing out that's NOT the case at all :nono: .

I never agreed with his decision , obviously we should NEVER of gone to war .

[kirklancaster]

Why is this thread being deflected onto Blair/May/The Size Of Donald Duck's Beak?

The subject here is ALL the decades of INCONTROVERTIBLE evidence that Corbyn is anti-Semitic and PRO-TERRORIST.

And as BOTS has pointed out the two are interrelated.

Mitigate all you want, deny all you want, deflect all you want, but the TRUTH is out there for all but the self-blind to see.

[user104658]

Why is this thread being deflected onto Blair/May/The Size Of Donald Duck's Beak?

The subject here is ALL the decades of INCONTROVERTIBLE evidence that Corbyn is anti-Semitic and PRO-TERRORIST.

And as BOTS has pointed out the two are interrelated.

Mitigate all you want, deny all you want, deflect all you want, but the TRUTH is out there for all but the self-blind to see.

Because it's a debate forum and - whilst they did unthinkably add "celeb news" into the mix - as far as I'm aware, the forum is still called "Serious debates and News (...and Celebrity stuff)", not "Serious Announcements, Proclamations and Soapbox Speeches".

[kirklancaster]

Because it's a debate forum and - whilst they did unthinkably add "celeb news" into the mix - as far as I'm aware, the forum is still called "Serious debates and News (...and Celebrity stuff)", not "Serious Announcements, Proclamations and Soapbox Speeches".

You KNOW all about 'soapbox speeches' T.S. being the greatest exponent, but your post still does not answer why the thread topic is being diverted away from Corbyn.

[Greg!]

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[arista]

Yes he did a New TV news Interview saying it was about
the Attack on Tunisia

[user104658]

You KNOW all about 'soapbox speeches' T.S. being the greatest exponent, but your post still does not answer why the thread topic is being diverted away from Corbyn.

:think: I have strong opinions but I've never discouraged anyone from sharing their own opinion, nor tried to discount opinions on the basis that it "isn't exactly on the thread title topic", as debates evolve as they progress. Discussing other current politicians as a compare / contrast is perfectly valid within a discussion about Corbyn (a current politician).

The idea that we MUST only mention Corbyn and we MUST only talk about the "newspaper facts" that he is antisemitic / a fan of terrorist groups, and that any other discussion is irrelevant, is an agenda-driven attempt to create a one-sided "announcement or proclamation", or soap-box speech.

"Hear ye hear ye! Corbyn hates Jews and loves Terrorism! What's that? Yes, you in the back, what did you say? Wait no, IRRELEVANT. Hear yeee hear ye."

[GoldHeart]

Why is this thread being deflected onto Blair/May/The Size Of Donald Duck's Beak?

The subject here is ALL the decades of INCONTROVERTIBLE evidence that Corbyn is anti-Semitic and PRO-TERRORIST.

And as BOTS has pointed out the two are interrelated.

Mitigate all you want, deny all you want, deflect all you want, but the TRUTH is out there for all but the self-blind to see.

Nothing is being deflected , it's a political thread therefore politics is talked about.

Corbyn is still the main topic

[Nicky91]

Nothing is being deflected , it's a political thread therefore politics is talked about.

Corbyn is still the main topic

true it's still very much on topic about Corbyn, i'd wish he wouldn't be a trending topic anymore tbh, i'm also the same tired about all the trump news, who is the only trending subject to talk about in america ugh


like there isn't anything other in the news than a corbyn or trump

[user104658]

true it's still very much on topic about Corbyn, i'd wish he wouldn't be a trending topic anymore tbh, i'm also the same tired about all the trump news, who is the only trending subject to talk about in america ugh


like there isn't anything other in the news than a corbyn or trump

That's the nature of propaganda Nicky... mass media over-exposure is all part of it.

[Oliver_W]

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While they're not buried in that cemetery, there is a plaque memorialising the Black September terrorists from 1972, which is where he was laying the wreath.

[Livia]

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That's it? That's your contribution?

[Livia]

Why is this thread being deflected onto Blair/May/The Size Of Donald Duck's Beak?

The subject here is ALL the decades of INCONTROVERTIBLE evidence that Corbyn is anti-Semitic and PRO-TERRORIST.

And as BOTS has pointed out the two are interrelated.

Mitigate all you want, deny all you want, deflect all you want, but the TRUTH is out there for all but the self-blind to see.

Because all the gentile Corbyn supporters say that he's not antisemitic. Just like we knew they would. Even Corbyn himself has admitted he was there... but no, he was just there as an innocent bystander. Allegedly.

[Twosugars]

:think: I have strong opinions but I've never discouraged anyone from sharing their own opinion, nor tried to discount opinions on the basis that it "isn't exactly on the thread title topic", as debates evolve as they progress. Discussing other current politicians as a compare / contrast is perfectly valid within a discussion about Corbyn (a current politician).

The idea that we MUST only mention Corbyn and we MUST only talk about the "newspaper facts" that he is antisemitic / a fan of terrorist groups, and that any other discussion is irrelevant, is an agenda-driven attempt to create a one-sided "announcement or proclamation", or soap-box speech.

"Hear ye hear ye! Corbyn hates Jews and loves Terrorism! What's that? Yes, you in the back, what did you say? Wait no, IRRELEVANT. Hear yeee hear ye."
Thank you, TS, for standing up for what SD&N should be. A debating forum.

[bots]

I always have a problem when deflection tactics are used. Does someone elses deeds that is not the topic of the thread somehow reduce the actions of the person in the topic?

I mean really, what has selling arms to Saudi Arabia got to do with it? Which, just for the record is not breaking any embargo's. The UK has a defense industry employing thousands upon thousands of people. Would the preference be for these people to lose their jobs? I might also add that labour has been just as keen to supply the very same countries with arms.

The subject of the thread is another example of a potential future prime minister of this country's link and support for terrorists.

[Maru]

I think we can simply point out (as bits just eloquently did), hey I think that is deflecting here, the reasons why and then just go back to the original issue, and let that be part of the debate...

Though one of my biggest pet peeves during conversation, real life especially, is when it's with folk who almost always want to bring up their annoyances on how they wish the discussion would proceed rather than simply having one. It happens often with certain people, and I almost always end up rage-quitting internally every time... it's usually indicative of defensiveness for me, though there are some people who like too much to referee discussions. I tend to think they suck at conversation for that reason.

Anyway I think off-topic rule should apply here to an extent. Though I should mention quite a few of us are very bad at this at the moment tbqf*f :laugh: (like right now) ...

[user104658]

I always have a problem when deflection tactics are used. Does someone elses deeds [...] somehow reduce the actions of the person [...]?


...


I might also add that labour has been just as keen to supply the very same countries with arms.


... :think:

[Crimson Dynamo]

why was he there graves or no graves?

what has it to do with the UK?

[Maru]

... :think:

It is possible to make multiple points against a single point in the same post since it has already been brought up.

[Oliver_W]

https://image.ibb.co/cVn1YK/corbynnn.png

haha!

[Maru]

https://image.ibb.co/cVn1YK/corbynnn.png

haha!

The root cause, his subconscious has an addiction to controversy! Time to sign up for rehab...

[user104658]

It is possible to make multiple points against a single point in the same post since it has already been brought up.

That doesn't make it sensible to state that you dislike people saying "other people do it too" in an attempt to lessen the severity of an accusation, and then on the next line... Say "Labour did it too!" about an accusation against the Tories. Its either relevant / valid always, or never... Otherwise there's some phrase about having cake and also eating said cake or something like that. And not being able to.

[Maru]

That doesn't make it sensible to state that you dislike people saying "other people do it too" in an attempt to lessen the severity of an accusation, and then on the next line... Say "Labour did it too!" about an accusation against the Tories. Its either relevant / valid always, or never... Otherwise there's some phrase about having cake and also eating said cake or something like that. And not being able to.

I'm not going to speak for Bits, but as I interpreted it, I read it as he was talking about himself and gave full a construction on his different points of view... I didn't take it to be for arguments sake? Just that he agreed/disagreed with various points, in multiple ways... Otherwise I'd agree with you in general, it's undermining the other point during argument.

[Kizzy]

The root cause, his subconscious has an addiction to controversy! Time to sign up for rehab...

And being on the right side of any controversial decision made by the previous or this govt in respects to war and bombings?... is that so controversial?... do people need rehab who go against state sponsored murder, drone strikes. war arms sales that have over the years caused the deaths of thousands of deaths of civilians, refugees, and military personnel.

I would go as far as to say there is something pretty rotten in the subconscious of anyone who brays along with the crowd when there's calls for strikes.. then, when the controversial nay sayers are proved to be right in their condemnation there's an attempt to point the finger of blame on them! ( not you personally)

Whether or not he did or didn't is irrelevant, it's a convenient stick to beat him with. There's so much misinformation out there at the moment it's embarrasing our media is a joke! first the terrorists are buried there and then they aren't... is that responsible reportage or something to whip up the public?

Meanwhile this is a perfect smokescreen it has to be said for the far right dalliances of the no deal brexiteers, primarily boris...this is pure gold for him as it keeps his alt right trope spewing column off the front pages, or any pages.

Jeremy Corbyn is NOT an antisemite, if he chooses not to accept the full definition ( with the acceptance and understanding of the author no less) then why the constant harassment?
The constant barrage of abuse, hate, accusations, lies and misinformation surrounding this whole issue is sickening.

I truly feel for the Jewish community, their plight is being politicised in the worst way that's the most shocking thing to come from this and should some respond in defence of Cobyn they are vilified or ignored!

It's the most distasteful point in British political history for a long long time.

[GoldHeart]

And being on the right side of any controversial decision made by the previous or this govt in respects to war and bombings?... is that so controversial?... do people need rehab who go against state sponsored murder, drone strikes. war arms sales that have over the years caused the deaths of thousands of deaths of civilians, refugees, and military personnel.

I would go as far as to say there is something pretty rotten in the subconscious of anyone who brays along with the crowd when there's calls for strikes.. then, when the controversial nay sayers are proved to be right in their condemnation there's an attempt to point the finger of blame on them! ( not you personally)

Whether or not he did or didn't is irrelevant, it's a convenient stick to beat him with. There's so much misinformation out there at the moment it's embarrasing our media is a joke! first the terrorists are buried there and then they aren't... is that responsible reportage or something to whip up the public?

Meanwhile this is a perfect smokescreen it has to be said for the far right dalliances of the no deal brexiteers, primarily boris...this is pure gold for him as it keeps his alt right trope spewing column off the front pages, or any pages.

Jeremy Corbyn is NOT an antisemite, if he chooses not to accept the full definition ( with the acceptance and understanding of the author no less) then why the constant harassment?
The constant barrage of abuse, hate, accusations, lies and misinformation surrounding this whole issue is sickening.

I truly feel for the Jewish community, their plight is being politicised in the worst way that's the most shocking thing to come from this and should some respond in defence of Cobyn they are vilified or ignored!

It's the most distasteful point in British political history for a long long time.

Corbyn ISNT antisemitic ! They can't even get the god damn story right .
One minute the terrorists are buried there ,then they're not . All the focus on this wreath ,with a photo to use against him .

Like I said it's a hate campaign against Corbyn, and there's a lot of smoke & mirrors to distract us from the farce of the current government.

[Northern Monkey]

The media definitely have a hard on for Corbyn and they have been known to bend the truth but they can’t just make situations up and out and out lie.There has to be some fire creating the smoke or where are they getting the pictures from?
The problem is,It’s not just one incident is it.More and more things from his murky past keep coming out.Are people saying it’s all a made up conspiracy?There’s no truth to any of it?
And every story that comes out is baseless?
That is the more unbelievable hypothesis.
He has a history of calling terrorists friends,brothers etc and he’s admitted being at this event.

[Kizzy]

The media definitely have a hard on for Corbyn and they have been known to bend the truth but they can’t just make situations up and out and out lie.There has to be some fire creating the smoke or where are they getting the pictures from?
The problem is,It’s not just one incident is it.More and more things from his murky past keep coming out.Are people saying it’s all a made up conspiracy?There’s no truth to any of it?
And every story that comes out is baseless?
That is the more unbelievable hypothesis.
He has a history of calling terrorists friends,brothers etc and he’s admitted being at this event.

He has a history of diplomacy, you catch more flies with honey than ****...or bombs.
There is no murky past! If there was a murky past it would be easier to oust him as there would be more ammunition, all there is a pic of him at a ceremony to commemorate the victims of terrorism and another couple of him at protests in the 70s! ...come on get some perspective.

[GoldHeart]

He has a history of diplomacy, you catch more flies with honey than ****...or bombs.
There is no murky past! If there was a murky past it would be easier to oust him as there would be more ammunition, all there is a pic of him at a ceremony to commemorate the victims of terrorism and another couple of him at protests in the 70s! ...come on get some perspective.

:clap1: I agree

[Livia]

The fact remains that many Jews, including Jewish Labour supporters, feel they have a case to be answered. Corbyn fans can twist and turn as much as they want... their denial makes him and his refusal to take a stand against antisemitism in his own party look even more shoddy.

[Robodog]

One of my favourite Corbyn moments was his speech at Glastonbury last year, talking about Trump etc:

"Build bridges, not walls!" he trumpeted to the crowd, and they cheered...

...all from inside the heavily-guarded walls of their privileged festival (@£238-a-ticket).


Funny how no-one tried tearing THAT wall down, in order to let everyone else into their party.

[bots]

Jeremy is in trouble again after a video of him filmed in 2013 emerges

A Jewish Labour MP says she feels "unwelcome" in the party after a video emerged showing Jeremy Corbyn accusing British Zionists of having "no sense of English irony".

Liverpool Wavertree MP Luciana Berger described the Labour leader's comments in a 2013 speech as "inexcusable".

The clip was published on the Daily Mail website as Mr Corbyn makes efforts to tackle anti-Semitism in his party.

A spokesperson for Mr Corbyn denied the comments were offensive.

The spokesperson said: "He was referring to a group of pro-Israel activists misunderstanding -and then criticising - the Palestinian ambassador for a speech at a separate event about the occupation of the West Bank."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45292218


the video on the daily mail website http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6092435/Labour-MP-Luciana-Berger-hits-Jeremy-Corbyn.html

The picture below shows Corbyn at he meeting

On the far right is Daud Abdullah, who called for attacks on the Royal Navy and led a boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day. In the center is Stephen Sizer, who suggested that Israel was behind the 9/11 attack

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/08/23/14/4F552D4100000578-6087783-image-a-12_1535030671183.jpg

[Kizzy]

The fact remains that many Jews, including Jewish Labour supporters, feel they have a case to be answered. Corbyn fans can twist and turn as much as they want... their denial makes him and his refusal to take a stand against antisemitism in his own party look even more shoddy.

If this is in reply to my comments and I'm not suggesting for a second it is, personally I am a Labour/ Corbyn supporter, not a Corbyn fan.
That term I'm sure you'll understand delegitimises any genuine socio-political interest as simply hero worship... I wouldn't want any confusion on that regard.

There is a fact that there is a case to be answered yes, it has been answered, there have been inquiries, reports and personal testimony... it has reached saturation point almost. how many times can the same assurances be made that any abuse is not condoned by or tolerated by the Labour party?..

Take the latest front page assault, a misrepresentation of the term 'zionist'.. We all know they exist, we also know that is a derogatory term used to describe Jews. The media twist is now to infer that the comment referred to the modern abusive non traditional reference and not the traditionally accepted term.

I personally agree as I have said on many occasions across many threads with relating back to history, there IS an irony there.... It's uncomfortable to address but the similarities are there ... There will be bluster and outrage but history cannot be rewritten to suit modern power battles.

[Kizzy]

One of my favourite Corbyn moments was his speech at Glastonbury last year, talking about Trump etc:

"Build bridges, not walls!" he trumpeted to the crowd, and they cheered...

...all from inside the heavily-guarded walls of their privileged festival (@£238-a-ticket).


Funny how no-one tried tearing THAT wall down, in order to let everyone else into their party.

In all fairness he was invited to speak at Glastonbury, and to be fair he stated the exact same sentiments everywhere he went ...with or without walls.

Plus it helps to maintain perspective when you are equating a temporary 6ft high plywood structure that would blow down in a strong breeze to a permanent concrete army patrolled checkpoint.

[Kizzy]

Jeremy is in trouble again after a video of him filmed in 2013 emerges

A Jewish Labour MP says she feels "unwelcome" in the party after a video emerged showing Jeremy Corbyn accusing British Zionists of having "no sense of English irony".

Liverpool Wavertree MP Luciana Berger described the Labour leader's comments in a 2013 speech as "inexcusable".

The clip was published on the Daily Mail website as Mr Corbyn makes efforts to tackle anti-Semitism in his party.

A spokesperson for Mr Corbyn denied the comments were offensive.

The spokesperson said: "He was referring to a group of pro-Israel activists misunderstanding -and then criticising - the Palestinian ambassador for a speech at a separate event about the occupation of the West Bank."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45292218


the video on the daily mail website http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6092435/Labour-MP-Luciana-Berger-hits-Jeremy-Corbyn.html

The picture below shows Corbyn at he meeting

On the far right is Daud Abdullah, who called for attacks on the Royal Navy and led a boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day. In the center is Stephen Sizer, who suggested that Israel was behind the 9/11 attack

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/08/23/14/4F552D4100000578-6087783-image-a-12_1535030671183.jpg

I don't think the issue is the lack of understanding of English irony... it's the English ignorance that's the real problem,faced with a powerful account of the historic implications emotively relayed by a Palestinian ambassador in relation to the conflict ... What are they reduced to for our viewing pleasure?.... Luciana Berger is upset :/


'Asked on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme about the row, John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor and a close ally of Corbyn, said the leader’s words had been taken out of context.

“In certain contexts, certain phrases are appropriate. To take them out of context is unacceptable and I think is not helping the issue, it’s exacerbating the issue,” he said.

A Labour spokesperson added on Friday night: “This was a speech about the need to better teach the history of Israel-Palestine and about the brutality of colonialism, occupation and dispossession.

“A section of the speech that was edited out of the footage posted on YouTube sets his comments in context. He had been speaking about Zionists and non-Zionist Jews and very clearly does not go on to use Zionists as any kind of shorthand for Jews.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/24/corbyn-english-irony-video-reignites-antisemitism-row-labour

[Livia]

If this is in reply to my comments and I'm not suggesting for a second it is, personally I am a Labour/ Corbyn supporter, not a Corbyn fan.
That term I'm sure you'll understand delegitimises any genuine socio-political interest as simply hero worship... I wouldn't want any confusion on that regard.

There is a fact that there is a case to be answered yes, it has been answered, there have been inquiries, reports and personal testimony... it has reached saturation point almost. how many times can the same assurances be made that any abuse is not condoned by or tolerated by the Labour party?..

Take the latest front page assault, a misrepresentation of the term 'zionist'.. We all know they exist, we also know that is a derogatory term used to describe Jews. The media twist is now to infer that the comment referred to the modern abusive non traditional reference and not the traditionally accepted term.

I personally agree as I have said on many occasions across many threads with relating back to history, there IS an irony there.... It's uncomfortable to address but the similarities are there ... There will be bluster and outrage but history cannot be rewritten to suit modern power battles.

It wasn't.

[Kizzy]

Ah well my comments stand for others who may misconstrue support for fandom.

[kirklancaster]

The posts on here from Corbyn supporters who are in denial become more bizarrely delusional by the day.

Nothing else to say. :shrug:

[Kizzy]

The posts on here from Corbyn supporters who are in denial become more bizarrely delusional by the day.

Nothing else to say. :shrug:

Anyone who disagrees with the majority on here and looks at the topic objectively you mean?...

you only came for a snipe as you literally have nothing to say.

[Beso]

In all fairness he was invited to speak at Glastonbury, and to be fair he stated the exact same sentiments everywhere he went ...with or without walls.

Plus it helps to maintain perspective when you are equating a temporary 6ft high plywood structure that would blow down in a strong breeze to a permanent concrete army patrolled checkpoint.

plywood?

It was a million pound super fence, purpose built to keep the poor out...

You cant slag of the gutter press then use gutter press tactics by downplaying the glastonbury fence while sensationalising trumps wall...


https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/what-its-really-like-to-scale-the-glastonbury-fence-and-why-you/amp/