Emo's targeted on public transport

[Kristen]

I read somewhere recently that a lot of emo’s have been beaten up and are being targeted on public transport. One girl was even called an ‘emo s*ut’ and punched in the stomach.
Do you think the emo sub-culture should have a right to express themselves with makeup and clothes or does their appearance gather the wrong attention meaning they should take their exterior down a notch?

[MarkWaldorf]

Where I live, they're deathly targets. Their the one thing gangs like to take on. There's a massive group of them in my school, and the 'gangsta' group are always targetting them. I think it's just the way they feel to express themselves, through fashion etc which is the thing that makes them a target, because they're so different. It's just not acceptable to some people.

[Stu]

I disagree with emo-haters and anything to do with beating the **** out of people and what not but I also disagree with the vast majority of the emo-culture with their bad music , rich dads and made up problems in life.

[Sunny_01]

This is so sad, I hate the fact that any group of people will be targets for violence because of the style of life they live, its just wrong.

[Stu]

Its a constant problem over here. Their are gangs of 16-19 year olds who just go around on a Friday night looking for someone to kick the head off.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Stu
Its a constant problem over here. Their are gangs of 16-19 year olds who just go around on a Friday night looking for someone to kick the head off.

Thats so sad really for those being attacked and for those doing the attacking. What makes young people think that this is an acceptable thing to do. Where is their parental supervision, their role models. Why have the nothing better to do?

[Stu]

They glorify it on their Bebo pages then putting it down as their interests ''Blitzing the gaf and ruining polish lives''.

Its all sickening really. Makes social life a real grey area. I hate Cork anyway , theirs no bloody culture or acceptance for anything out of the norm in it.

[Sunny_01]

Stu that sounds so sad - I feel lucky that I live in an area that accepts other cultures and general differences. No it is not perfect here but nothing like what you describe

[Mrluvaluva]

Everybody should be able to express themselves without being the target of hate, within reason (ie, as long as it is not offensive). Predjudices do unfortunately exist, but this is just mindless violence.

[lily.]

This is Blair's Britain people. Chav Culture and Asbo Pride are in abundance.

I was a goth at school and I got targetted a bit for it, but it didn't bother me too much cuz there were just as many of us as there were of the 'casuals'. People should be able to dress how they like and be how they wanna be without the shiit they have to put up with in today's lawless British society!

[Ruth*Star]

At our school, its cool to dress in black and act gothy, theres the wannabe models and the gothys and they mix fine together, i'm just a quite one who trys to fit in with the gothys, it really depends on the areas because gothys never get targeted here, well i haven't seen any.

[lily.]

You are lucky Ruth. It sounds like your school and area are quite good for people getting along.

I guess it's true what you say, it does depend on the area and the amount of little thugs that are being raised to think it's ok to kick the shiit out of someone for no reason. There are a lot of them around here, and you can see that they are heading for trouble before they even get to 16.

[Bells]

You get the odd clashes between chavs and emos round here, but really I don't see what's wrong with emos... it's not so much them that's the problem, even though made up problems are a bit overboard. I just don't like the idea of groups at all, but sadly I can always see them existing... people just want to be individual, different, and feel they can express themselves by dressing and acting like someone of a particular group. Mind you, this is not always the case but it happens to a lot of people.

[Stu]

Originally posted by ~~
Everybody should be able to express themselves without being the target of hate, within reason (ie, as long as it is not offensive).
Thats EXACTLY my opinion. You should be allowed do WHATEVER you want with your life as long as it does not interfere with another life in a negative way.

[Psylocke]

Meh!

Emos hair is offensive to my eyes,but they dont hurt anyone,leave em be.
Scum-bag chavs are the one who should be targeted

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Meh!

Emos hair is offensive to my eyes,but they dont hurt anyone,leave em be.
Scum-bag chavs are the one who should be targeted

Totally disagree - no-one should be targeted - we should all be able to express ourselves freely. Whether we dress to follow the crowd or try to be a little individual shouldnt matter at all.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Originally posted by Psylocke
Meh!

Emos hair is offensive to my eyes,but they dont hurt anyone,leave em be.
Scum-bag chavs are the one who should be targeted

Totally disagree - no-one should be targeted - we should all be able to express ourselves freely. Whether we dress to follow the crowd or try to be a little individual shouldnt matter at all.

What i mean is the Chavs that are targeting the emos in the first place need to be targeted and stopped.

[Sunny_01]

Ah I am with you now - I agree something needs to be done about the culture that belives that they are above the law!

[Tanser_Man]

It's a problem in Birmingham too, althought it's not just the emo's... it's anyone who doesn't roam around looking like a JJB convention.

They attack people who are different, most recently a group of drunken chavs decided to head into an Indie club in Birmingham city centre and started fighting everyone on the dancefloor just because they were dancing to Indie music (me being one of them).

They are sad pathetic people.

[xGemmax]

Pathetic. I ****ing HATE scum bag chavs :mad: I just think, what is their problem? What gives them the right to attack people because they don;t listen to the same **** music as them or wear the same stupid clothes? I would rather die than dress like a chav! They are all a waste of space :bored:

[Psylocke]

Me and a friend were in a take-away wensday night,and a group of Chavs started on us.

They were pushing and goin "Ooh asses to the wall"

I replies "yeah while you and your boyfriend are busy looking at your own asses,ill be all over your girlfriends"

[xDramatick]

Emokids annoy me.
They all lookalike, and they're music sounds the same to me.
&how some kiss the same sex for a camera to look cool.
But tbh.
They dont deserve to be beaten up over it
I could be classed emo.
I dont think I am since I hate to be labelled.
But I'm more emo than anything else if I was to be labelled.
At our school, we do get targetted by chavs, but like.. they generally lay off us when we comeback to things.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by xDramatic
Emokids annoy me.
They all lookalike, and they're music sounds the same to me.
&how some kiss the same sex for a camera to look cool.
But tbh.
They dont deserve to be beaten up over it
I could be classed emo.
I dont think I am since I hate to be labelled.
But I'm more emo than anything else if I was to be labelled.
At our school, we do get targetted by chavs, but like.. they generally lay off us when we comeback to things.


I think Emo culture isnt hated because of the clothes and hair,its more to do with the made up problems,the self harm and plain conciete in general life.Its quite a selfish culture.

[Tanser_Man]

Yeah thats the one.

They all live on stereotypes, so if you happen to have long hair, you want to slit your wrists and constantly talk about death! It's just narrowminded and they really don't have a clue. Like a few weeks ago someone just randomly came upto me and said, what music do you like, so i reply 'Indie & Rock'... there reply was, 'What... Marylin Manson?!'... I think that say it all really.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
Yeah thats the one.

They all live on stereotypes, so if you happen to have long hair, you want to slit your wrists and constantly talk about death! It's just narrowminded and they really don't have a clue. Like a few weeks ago someone just randomly came upto me and said, what music do you like, so i reply 'Indie & Rock'... there reply was, 'What... Marylin Manson?!'... I think that say it all really.

That person sounds ignorant,its like the way all gays have to listen to Cher Bluurrrggghh!


Emo or whatever is cool,its when people use a culture for there own narrsassitic means is when it gets annoying,that can be said for many sub-cultures.It just seems more apparent in emo,because the main people involved are 13-17 year olds.

[lilmissnaughty]

What makes me laugh is these stereotypes who claim to be different but dress the same/like the same stuff.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by lilmissnaughty
What makes me laugh is these stereotypes who claim to be different but dress the same/like the same stuff.

I think they mean different as in different from societys normal dress,not actually being individual from everyone.

[SiMoN!]

Originally posted by Stu
I also disagree with the vast majority of the emo-culture with their bad music , rich dads and made up problems in life.

i could not agree more - i dont like emos - they say they wanna be diffrent and everything -but thye just copye each other

but people who beat them up are jus as bad tut tut

[bananarama]

Oh dear I am getting old. :bigsmile: I am lost on the jargon. Could someone please tell me what is Emo's and chavs..:puzzled:

[Bells]

I do know what they are, but when it comes to describing them, it can be difficult to put it into words! Taken from Wikipedia - hope it helps:



Emo is a somewhat ambiguous slang term most frequently used to describe a fashion or subculture derived from hardcore punk fashion and its subculture. The slang term emo is best known for its fashion style and attitude. Emo may describe this fashion or music, or a general emotive state (as in to "feel emo"). It is also, sometimes pejoratively, used to identify someone fitting a particular emo stereotype or category.

Chav or Charv/Charver even Chavster (male) and Chavette (female) ('ch' pronounced as in chair) is a mainly derogatory slang term in the United Kingdom for a subcultural stereotype fixated on fashions derived from American Hip-Hop (African-American) and Guido (Italian-American) fashions and stereotypes such as gold jewellery and designer clothing combined with elements of working class British street fashion. Chavs are generally considered to have no respect for society, and to be ignorant or unintelligent.

The defining features of the chav clothing in the Burberry pattern (notably a now-discontinued baseball cap) and from a variety of other casual and sportswear brands. Tracksuits, hoodies, sweatpants and baseball caps are particularly associated with this stereotype. Response to the term has ranged from amusement to criticism that it is a new manifestation of classism. The term has also been associated with delinquency, the "ASBO Generation", "Hoodie culture" and "yob culture".

[bananarama]

Wow Ash.......Many thank's for that..........I am getting old so its time to get out my Teddy boy suit and hang out on some street corners.........:bigsmile:

[Emilee]

I dont think tis right to target someone because of their appearence. I just dont like the whole weird hairsltlyles and blackness of goths and moshers....

Emo style is ok...

Indie is better though! :hugesmile:

[JuicyLucy]

No one should be hated for the way they dress...How sad, you can't even dress the way you want these days without getting beat up.

This world is truely *******ed up.

[Dr43%er]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a191/123andrew/emo.jpg

[sarahtheangel]

i think everyone has the right to where and do there make up ay way they like who am i to say other wise , people like to hurt others this world is just so cruel . i no what an emo looks like but what do they stand for is it simular to goth

[Lauren]

I hate how people are given a label. But what I hate more is how people ASPIRE to be a label. Wtf is a "goth" or a "emo"... I know what they're meant to be in popular culture but it's just a goddamned word. People can't be them...


Edit: Actually, top pet hate with labels is when people describe someone as being an "indie"... indie just means independent music label. So when you're calling someone an indie, you're saying they're a music label? Right... normal.
Also, "mosher"... that just means someone whom knocks against another person whilst at a rock concert... er so how come everyone wearing black with long hair are given this sodding label?

[sarahtheangel]

lauren you must have been mad when you said wtf lol:hug:

[Lauren]

Originally posted by sarahtheangel
lauren you must have been mad when you said wtf lol:hug:

Hehe yeah, you can tell when I'm passionate about something cos I swear when I don't usually swear :tongue::hug:

[sarahtheangel]

:wink: i thought so not like you at all hows your mum doing

[Lauren]

Originally posted by sarahtheangel
:wink: i thought so not like you at all hows your mum doing

I'll U2U you so mods can't say we're going offtopic, hehe.

And to make my reply on-topic, hmm... what more can I say. Might as well include another "indie" rant.

Also, when people say they listen to indie music - - they misunderstand the whole genre. Surprise, indie music isn't all music with guitars and men with longish hair and leather jackets singing it. Indie means music on an independent music label, they discounts 90% of the usual bands that are listed under the indie genre. :tongue:

[sarahtheangel]

i never heard of indie music till emily on bb said :conf:

[rex3]

Its completly stupid, ill never understand people who bully others becuase of their appearance.

In London we dont get none of that nonsense attitude.

Youd get mugged for what you got, not for what your wearing.

[Will©]

they can wear want they want but they must be prepared to be aboused

i no it harsh but people think it weird and they will express them selves how they want (PS i dont not go aroung beating up emo)

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Will©
they can wear want they want but they must be prepared to be aboused

i no it harsh but people think it weird and they will express them selves how they want (PS i dont not go aroung beating up emo)

10 years ago it was weird, now - it's just far too generic and widespread. It's far from weird, everyones doing it. :rolleyes:

[rex3]

exactly everyones jelling there fringe over one eye and wearing bum whole tight jeans

[Tanser_Man]

Originally posted by Lauren
Originally posted by sarahtheangel
:wink: i thought so not like you at all hows your mum doing

I'll U2U you so mods can't say we're going offtopic, hehe.

And to make my reply on-topic, hmm... what more can I say. Might as well include another "indie" rant.

Also, when people say they listen to indie music - - they misunderstand the whole genre. Surprise, indie music isn't all music with guitars and men with longish hair and leather jackets singing it. Indie means music on an independent music label, they discounts 90% of the usual bands that are listed under the indie genre. :tongue:

I suppose your right about people misunderstanding.

I listen to indie music, whether it is rock, pop or something else, indie music is my genre. That doesn't mean I’m stupid because I refer to it as indie, the word is used for simplicity and for me includes subcultures in the genre. Indie rock is now becoming more main stream, so of course people are going to refer to it as just indie music, and they wouldn’t be wrong in saying that either.

[rex3]

some like to get technical

[Tanser_Man]

Originally posted by rex3
Its completly stupid, ill never understand people who bully others becuase of their appearance.



Then you said.

Originally posted by rex3
exactly everyones jelling there fringe over one eye and wearing bum whole tight jeans

Please tell me how you are no different from these bullies?!

Skinny jeans and 'jelled' hair does not represent any genre, never mind indie music, but represents the person's individuality and preference.

[rex3]

thats my point thats what the bullies think, except indies/emo/rockers/grungers/goths are not like that.

[Lauren]

I think he meant it doesn't show individuality because everyone is doing it.

[rex3]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
Originally posted by rex3
Its completly stupid, ill never understand people who bully others becuase of their appearance.



Then you said.

Originally posted by rex3
exactly everyones jelling there fringe over one eye and wearing bum whole tight jeans

Please tell me how you are no different from these bullies?!

, never mind indie music, but represents the person's individuality and preference.

my point: -chavs are being stereotyped as well

[Lauren]

Well, if we really wanna get technical, emo music can condone violence.
Example, Hawthorne Heights song lyrics "So cut my wrists and black my eyes" hmmm.

Anyway... I don't even know what my point to this post was...

[Tanser_Man]

At the end of the day, if your happy, regardless of the popularity of the thing you follow, does it really matter what other people think?

To want to become something purely to follow a trend is pathetic and not something I have done or ever will do, but should my own individuality get tarnished because some other losers can’t think for themselves?

[Tanser_Man]

Originally posted by Lauren
Well, if we really want to get technical, emo music can condone violence.
Example, Hawthorne Heights song lyrics "So cut my wrists and black my eyes" hmmm.

Anyway... I don't even know what my point to this post was...

Haha :rolleyes:

Coffee?

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Tanser_Man
Originally posted by Lauren
Well, if we really want to get technical, emo music can condone violence.
Example, Hawthorne Heights song lyrics "So cut my wrists and black my eyes" hmmm.

Anyway... I don't even know what my point to this post was...

Haha :rolleyes:

Coffee?

Why thank you young man.

[Matt08]

I think chav's being stereotyped it worse than emo's, not all chavs go around causing gang violence and grafitti all over the place, people should be leaving chavs alone aswell as emo's. It's just not fair how both of those groups get stereotyped.

[easypeasy]

I dont get why anybody would want to be part of any one particular music "scene". theres good and bad in all kinds of music so why limit yourself to one thing?
Lauren is spot on when she say's indie isnt a style of music, John Peel was a champion of independent record labels and remember how diverse his radio show was. when i were a lad (lol) i used to go out to illegal outdoor raves (castlemorton etc) or dub reggae all nighters (jah shaka, zion train etc) at weekends and see bands at the universities (Blur,happy monday's, ocean colour scene etc) and local pub (neds atomic dustbin/the family cat etc) in the week.
variety is the spice of life.

[Dr43%er]

"neds atomic dustbin" Now there a blast from the past.

"She said, she said you don't know **** because you never been there."

[sol]

I think that goths and emos are just targeted more because they tend to be quite peaceful people who don't stir up trouble, making them easy targets for chavs as they are often bullys.
At my school there are 3 different categories of people, there's the chavs, the goth/emo type people, and the people who don't fit into either and are just 'themselves' if you can call it that. There's quite often fights between the chavs and the emo/goth people outside the school enterance, if you want to avoid this then just be in the 'themselves' group lol, thats how I avoided it.

[:)tom:)]

yer thats same at my school but the chavs just fight each other and the emos dont talk to each other the 'themselevs' are all happy at school

[Noel]

I wouldnt say Im emo, but I have emo friends and stuff. And I like the musik and all that. I think that the bullying of any culture is unacceptable, not just emos. Emos just express themselves more than anyone else. They have their own styles and people bully them because of that. Its disgusting. People bully them because they may be different.

[Jim]

No group/culture should be target/attacked because of what they where, what music they listen to or what they believe.

[sarahtheangel]

spoken like a wise owl:thumbs:

[InTheFade]

Of course they should be able to express themselves.

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by SiMoN!
Originally posted by Stu
I also disagree with the vast majority of the emo-culture with their bad music , rich dads and made up problems in life.

i could not agree more - i dont like emos - they say they want to be diffrent and everything -but thye just copye each other

but people who beat them up are jus as bad tut tut

Sorry but people who beat them up are infinitely worse. I'm not inclined towards the whole 'emo' trend but it's not as though emo kids are the only group of people guilty of following a trend.

[deffo_fear]

I think emo's have violence thrown at them because they are like chavs worst enemies and i hate to be stereotypical but chavs are prone to violence.