Just the worst type of uneducated trash

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean really

:skull:

[Beso]

All these threats..1
.2...3...4...5...of them..but not a warning...more to the point, she aint followed through on one.

[montblanc]

if you don’t like her thats fair but she hasn’t said anything that showed her to be uneducated? :skull:

[BBUK-Fan]

She is trying to cause arguments for no reason and is a waste of space. Get her out

[montblanc]

someone not agreeing with your political views don’t make them uneducated :skull:

[Gusto Brunt]

She's so stupid she thought Kirstie had made the decision to build the Lego wall.

[Beso]

She is trying to cause arguments for no reason and is a waste of space. Get her out

All mouth and no trousers...she probably wept after her 3some.

[Amy Jade]

someone not agreeing with your political views don’t make them uneducated :skull:

You are totally correct but wasting your time saying it here :laugh:

[montblanc]

She's so stupid she thought Kirstie had made the decision to build the Lego wall.

not stupid just ignorant :skull: she’s probably never seen the show before

[Crimson Dynamo]

if you don’t like her thats fair but she hasn’t said anything that showed her to be uneducated? :skull:

Ageism. Taking a sh1t in the wall?

Utterly vile

[Marsh.]

someone not agreeing with your political views don’t make them uneducated :skull:

She's not just disagreeing though? She's being a child about it.

She's literally attacking Kirstie because she knows she voted for Trump, not because of anything Kirstie has actually said or done. That kind of calls into question her intelligence and, therefore, her education.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She is old like trump

Imagine she said

He is gay like Macron

Or he is black like Obama


?

[montblanc]

She's not just disagreeing though? She's being a child about it.

She's literally attacking Kirstie because she knows she voted for Trump, not because of anything Kirstie has actually said or done. That kind of calls into question her intelligence and, therefore, her education.

she technically didn’t attack kirstie for it she just asked :skull: what would happen if kirstie followed the bait into the conversation after we won’t know since she didn’t

i’m not denying that she doesn’t have some sort of resentment towards kirstie for her political views but imo it’s mostly stemming from the task and her possible belief that kirstie is ACTUALLY making these decisions on her own will

[poppsywoppsy]

I saw her going through all sorts of psychological tests in a US reality show and she was told how she comes across and she just ignored them.

She may be educated but does not have the ability to realise BB is a game show, now that is stupid.

[Marsh.]

she technically didn’t attack kirstie for it she just asked :skull: what would happen if kirstie followed the bait into the conversation after we won’t know since she didn’t

i’m not denying that she doesn’t have some sort of resentment towards kirstie for her political views but imo it’s mostly stemming from the task and her possible belief that kirstie is ACTUALLY making these decisions on her own will

And the fact that she's making wild assumptions about Kirstie without any provocation is making her seem even less educated.

I don't think her brain has ever focussed on a thought longer than 2 seconds.

[Rob!]

She was pretty awful tonight. Hardeep and Kirstie have done nothing to her really and she’s just creating arguments for no reason.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She has nothing but swear words and bravado. Playing to the "the guy in chzrge/" the boss is sh1t" tired stuck record. Iv seen her type all my life. Trash.

[GoldHeart]

I saw her going through all sorts of psychological tests in a US reality show and she was told how she comes across and she just ignored them.

She may be educated but does not have the ability to realise BB is a game show, now that is stupid.

But she runs LA :joker:

I've seen enough of her on Bad girls club,and clips of previous reality shows to Know she's self centered with anger issues and narcissistic .

I'm convinced her friends who hang around her are as self centered as her or they only hang around with her because she has money and can offer them free perks .

[Headie]

Aaaaaaand the racism begins

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[montblanc]

Aaaaaaand the racism begins

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welp not ‘getto girl’

:skull:

[GoldHeart]

Aaaaaaand the racism begins

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Hayden come on :facepalm:

[montblanc]

Hayden come on :facepalm:

it wouldn’t have been racist if it weren’t for that last part so :nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I saw a nasty aggressive side to her tonight with Hardeep. I BB stamp on this

[Headie]

Hayden come on :facepalm:

https://67.media.tumblr.com/5225bb72646ec12e16d72a273a026698/tumblr_o8i6daQzHH1v9roxto2_400.gif

"ghetto girl" is racist af. End of discussion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hayden come on :facepalm:

Its the same every year. Exhausting

[LukeB]

Aaaaaaand the racism begins

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Yikes.

[GoldHeart]

it wouldn’t have been racist if it weren’t for that last part so :nono:

Oh for goodness sake ! :bored: . Ghetto can be directed at anyone who's loud and fiery . Obviously because Natalie is American that's why she's been labelled that .

It's like the phrase "hood rat "

[GoldHeart]

https://67.media.tumblr.com/5225bb72646ec12e16d72a273a026698/tumblr_o8i6daQzHH1v9roxto2_400.gif

"ghetto girl" is racist af. End of discussion.

I'm disappointed :nono:
Stop clutching at straws

[montblanc]

Oh for goodness sake ! :bored: . Ghetto can be directed at anyone who's loud and fiery . Obviously because Natalie is American that's why she's been labelled that .

It's like the phrase "hood rat "

‘ghetto’ and ‘hood rat’ have a different connotation when referring to a black person :oh:

[Oliver_W]

Maybe "uneducated" is a bit harsh, but she's certainly ignorant and uninformed.

She stated that the Flint water crisis hasn't been fixed is because most of the people there are black, which is just wrong. The lead pipes were laid decades ago, and the plans are lost; to find them, a lot of the city would need to be dug up, damaging roads, pavements, and the pipes which are okay. Not to mention the huge amount of money it would cost, for a poor area.

[GoldHeart]

‘ghetto’ and ‘hood rat’ have a different connotation when referring to a black person :oh:

I know what you're saying but why do you assume racism ?.

And I'm not stupid I know subtle racism exists ,and I'm allowed my opinion . I don't even like James Jordan but I don't think he's being racist.

If anything it's more because she's American so maybe you could say xenophobic but even then it's a stretch , he did joke to Stacy in his year of CBB that he didn't understand her humour because she's "American" .

[GoldHeart]

Maybe "uneducated" is a bit harsh, but she's certainly ignorant and uninformed.

She stated that the Flint water crisis hasn't been fixed is because most of the people there are black, which is just wrong. The lead pipes were laid decades ago, and the plans are lost; to find them, a lot of the city would need to be dug up, damaging roads, pavements, and the pipes which are okay. Not to mention the huge amount of money it would cost, for a poor area.

But uneducated & ignorant is the same thing :joker: :facepalm:.

I think some people who have been educated still act ignorant though.

[Marsh.]

I know what you're saying but why do you assume racism ?.

And I'm not stupid I know subtle racism exists ,and I'm allowed my opinion . I don't even like James Jordan but I don't think he's being racist.

If anything it's more because she's American so maybe you could say xenophobic but even then it's a stretch , he did joke to Stacy in his year of CBB that he didn't understand her humour because she's "American" .

Take out the fact she's American.

Would he have called Kirstie a ghetto girl if she misunderstood and thought another housemate had thought up a task?

[Marsh.]

But uneducated & ignorant is the same thing :joker: :facepalm:.

Not really.

[montblanc]

I know what you're saying but why do you assume racism ?.

And I'm not stupid I know subtle racism exists ,and I'm allowed my opinion . I don't even like James Jordan but I don't think he's being racist.

If anything it's more because she's American so maybe you could say xenophobic but even then it's a stretch , he did joke to Stacy in his year of CBB that he didn't understand her humour because she's "American" .

i don’t know james jordan so i can’t comment if he’s a racist or not but i was more going on about the comment itself

it was a racist comment

[LukeB]

I know what you're saying but why do you assume racism ?.

And I'm not stupid I know subtle racism exists ,and I'm allowed my opinion . I don't even like James Jordan but I don't think he's being racist.

If anything it's more because she's American so maybe you could say xenophobic but even then it's a stretch , he did joke to Stacy in his year of CBB that he didn't understand her humour because she's "American" .

He would never have called a white housemate ghetto girl if they didn't understand this task:shrug:

[GoldHeart]

Take out the fact she's American.

Would he have called Kirstie a ghetto girl if she misunderstood and thought another housemate had thought up a task?

I'm pretty sure there's more to it than that . Kirstie alley isn't famous for having physical brawls and spitting in people's face while screaming and pulling hair and rolling in dirt and bushes ,but whatever let's pretend Natalie is as innocent as her surname :whistle: :bored: .

[Oliver_W]

But uneducated & ignorant is the same thing :joker: :facepalm:.


Not at all.

Some people can coast through education without actually leaving their bubble and learning about life beyond the paper.

[GoldHeart]

i don’t know james jordan so i can’t comment if he’s a racist or not but i was more going on about the comment itself

it was a racist comment

Well guess what , Rodrigo's comment was bells & whistles racist yet he's still in the house so hardly in the same league.

And I think Ghetto has now become universal (yes it's American), but in pop culture when someone is loud and combative then they can be labelled "Ghetto"

[Marsh.]

I'm pretty sure there's more to it than that . Kirstie alley isn't famous for having physical brawls and spitting in people's face while screaming and pulling hair and rolling in dirt and bushes ,but whatever let's pretend Natalie is as innocent as her surname :whistle: :bored: .

Who said Natalie's innocent or an angel?

Are you justifying racial slurs because she's not a particularly nice girl?

[GoldHeart]

Who said Natalie's innocent or an angel?

Are you justifying racial slurs because she's not a particularly nice girl?

Omg :facepalm: I can't !
Have you not seen my comments about Rodrigo using the N word !?? yet you think I would justify racial slurs :umm2::crazy: . I have NEVER and will NEVER defend ANYONE being racist . But I don't think James Jordan is being racist , I'm allowed my opinion .

[armand.kay]

I've never seen a white person be described as Ghetto so it can only be racial in my opinion.

[Marsh.]

Omg :facepalm: I can't !
Have you not seen my comments about Rodrigo using the N word !?? yet you think I would justify racial slurs :umm2::crazy: . I have NEVER and will NEVER defend ANYONE being racist . But I don't think James Jordan is being racist , I'm allowed my opinion .

No, you just said the phrase James Jordan used would never be applied to someone like Kirstie because her behaviour is not the same as Natalie's.

So Natalie's behaviour invites the phrase? The phrase is racist.

[poppsywoppsy]

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"ghetto girl" is racist af. End of discussion.

Yes but Natalie was selectively offended by Uber jokes but didn't say anything to Rodrigo about his n words.

[Withano]

if you don’t like her thats fair but she hasn’t said anything that showed her to be uneducated? :skull:

Fair point

[GoldHeart]

I've never seen a white person be described as Ghetto so it can only be racial in my opinion.

That's a bit of a sweeping statement , surely you're stereotyping by assuming only one particular race is referred to as "ghetto" :conf: .

[GoldHeart]

Yes but Natalie was selectively offended by Uber jokes but didn't say anything to Rodrigo about his n words.

Exactly my point too
She giggled when Rod said the N word , it's hypocrisy . Shouldn't matter who uses that word it's still wrong :nono:

[Marsh.]

That's a bit of a sweeping statement , surely you're stereotyping by assuming only one particular race is referred to as "ghetto" :conf: .

He hasn't assumed anything. He literally began the sentence "I've never seen..."

[armand.kay]

That's a bit of a sweeping statement , surely you're stereotyping by assuming only one particular race is referred to as "ghetto" :conf: .

I'm speaking on my own experience

[GoldHeart]

He hasn't assumed anything. He literally began the sentence "I've never seen..."

But it's also reinforcing negative stereotypes.

The way I see it the word Ghetto has become a general insult for someone loud and argumentative and it came across the pond .

[Daniel-X]

I’ve only ever seen ghetto used myself as to refer to a black person. White people would probably get called ‘white trash’ etc. as the equivalent of what ‘ghetto’ means, which is also quite derogatory. But yeah there’s no denying ‘ghetto’ definitely has racist undertones.

[Marsh.]

But it's also reinforcing negative stereotypes.

The way I see it the word Ghetto has become a general insult for someone loud and argumentative and it came across the pond .

....except it hasn't.

It's like saying "The way I see it the n word has become a loving word to mean "My black bestie who I love so much"...

[Maru]

Oh hell, I have called other white folk out for being ghetto before. "That sh*t is ghetto!" "Girl, you're ghetto" is very common language in my area... that term has nothing to do with what color the person was either who said it. We all said it to each other.

Maybe it is different in the UK, but here being ghetto has to do with class differences, life choices, having an attitude specific, a specific type of upbringing that results from having limited money and having to "make do" with what we have... there doesn't have to be a race distinction at all to be deemed "ghetto". Some people wear that label with extreme pride. Like cardboard boxes turned to CPU cases sort of pride. It can also mean someone doesn't feel like they believe in having to pay for "nice" things and they'll gladly settle with knock offs...

The "hood", or hood-rat tends to be the one to have more an ethnic distinction I think. For example, when people from the NE wanted to give an idea to people here where they once lived while living in places like NY/Baltimore, they were clearer to say hood... which tended to trigger the images of poor blank neighborhoods such as the Bronx, LA, etc... i.e. the most authentic example of hood one could cite... On the other hand, poorer Asians and Hispanics call their own neighborhoods that as well. Though white people can certainly be a hood-rat... there are a lot of kids who enjoy wearing those particular labels and wear them proudly.

Keeping in mind though, there are major dialect differences between different parts of the US and certain neighborhoods may proudly wear one label while not another.

[armand.kay]

But it's also reinforcing negative stereotypes.

The way I see it the word Ghetto has become a general insult for someone loud and argumentative and it came across the pond .

I'm not reinforcing anything, in fact I'm calling out the fact that that word is heavily associated with black people especially African Americans. Literally one google search of the words "Ghetto woman" and its just a sea of black women.

also your whole "loud and argumentative" argument just doesn't work I mean would you call kim woodburn ghetto? what about Katie Hopkins? or Megan McKenna? Did anyone call them ghetto? Because if they did I certainly didn't see it.

[armand.kay]

It's like saying "The way I see it the n word has become a loving word to mean "My black bestie who I love so much"...

or "my black lover whom I respect"

[Maru]

I'm not reinforcing anything, in fact I'm calling out the fact that that word is heavily associated with black people especially African Americans. Literally one google search of the words "Ghetto woman" and its just a sea of black women.

also your whole "loud and argumentative" argument just doesn't work I mean would you call kim woodburn ghetto? what about Katie Hopkins? or Megan McKenna? Did anyone call them ghetto? Because if they did I certainly didn't see it.

Try DuckDuckGo:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ghetto+girl&t=hi&iax=images&ia=images

Google Images tracks your prior searches and is heavily influenced by your browser history. I wouldn't go based on that alone... :skull: Look up "filter bubble"

[Ant.]

Oh wow are we really debating this

like no matter what you interpret 'ghetto' to mean it CANNOT be denied that James Jordan meant it in a racist way :idc: I won't be challenged on this

[Moniqua]

Aaaaaaand the racism begins

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not this prick again :fist:

It takes a special and extremely misguided type of person to not believe the statement that there is a racist connotation behind associating the word ghetto with a black person.

Think about it this way, words like "ghetto" and "ratchet" are often, if not always, used to imply that someone is inferior. So when someone uses it to describe a specific group or community, it insinuates that those people are inferior. If that's not racist, then I don't know what is :shrug:

[armand.kay]

Try DuckDuckGo:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ghetto+girl&t=hi&iax=images&ia=images

Google Images tracks your prior searches and is heavily influenced by your browser history. I wouldn't go based on that alone... :skull: Look up "filter bubble"

I mean theres a few more white faces but its still predominantly black, also the caption on one of the pictures of a white girl is "white people that act a different race" :skull:

[GoldHeart]

I'm not reinforcing anything, in fact I'm calling out the fact that that word is heavily associated with black people especially African Americans. Literally one google search of the words "Ghetto woman" and its just a sea of black women.

also your whole "loud and argumentative" argument just doesn't work I mean would you call kim woodburn ghetto? what about Katie Hopkins? or Megan McKenna? Did anyone call them ghetto? Because if they did I certainly didn't see it.

It is reinforcing negative stereotypes because we're going backwards, as Maru eloquently put all kinds of people get labelled Ghetto but yes it's an American term and it came form people's background and where they lived etc. Yes it was originally aimed at certain people but that's not the case these days.

So no obviously Megan , Kim or Katie probably wouldn't get labelled that as such . As none of them are American . But then again maybe some people have referred to them as ghetto who know's :shrug: .

I see Ghetto as the American word for Chav

The word chav was and is an insult to people usually youngsters who blare loud music out , commit crime ,behave obnoxiously and fight . It was also aimed at predominantly white youth but nowadays all kinds of people get that label with antisocial behaviour and cheap dress sense and certain style in furniture and other things .

[reece(:]

James Jordan confirmed racist?

[GoldHeart]

....except it hasn't.

It's like saying "The way I see it the n word has become a loving word to mean "My black bestie who I love so much"...

You can't compare the N word with Ghetto come on Marsh :facepalm: .
I feel like we've gone down the rabbit hole now . if Ghetto is racist then what is chav?? .

[Marsh.]

You can't compare the N word with Ghetto come on Marsh :facepalm: .
I feel like we've gone down the rabbit hole now . if Ghetto is racist then what is chav?? .

Who's comparing? I'm pointing out you can't just invent new definitions of words every time you speak.

Chav? Is this the part where you tell me white people are victims of racism too? (Not that chav has ever been a white person insult).

[poppsywoppsy]

Has anyone noticed Jordan didn't spell Ghetto correctly

[Moniqua]

James Jordan confirmed racist?

always got that impression from him tbh,

he really kept pouncing at every opportunity to call Hannah and Debs aggressive during BB18.

also, on launch night for CBB19, he was adamant that Stacy had to be the one "edited out" and wouldn't even consider anyone else

[armand.kay]

It is reinforcing negative stereotypes because we're going backwards, as Maru eloquently put all kinds of people get labelled Ghetto but yes it's an American term and it came form people's background and where they lived etc. Yes it was originally aimed at certain people but that's not the case these days.

So no obviously Megan , Kim or Katie probably wouldn't get labelled that as such . As none of them are American . But then again maybe some people have referred to them as ghetto who know's :shrug: .

I see Ghetto as the American word for Chav

The word chav was and is an insult to people usually youngsters who blare loud music out , commit crime ,behave obnoxiously and fight . It was also aimed at predominantly white youth but nowadays all kinds of people get that label with antisocial behaviour and cheap dress sense and certain style in furniture and other things .
How is acknowledging the racial undertones of the word going backwards? Why do people always want to sweep racism under the carped and pretend that we're in this colourblind utopia and it doesn't exist anymore and call anyone who would rather have a discussion about it "decisive".

Also you point about Natalie being American doesn't hold true because both Hannah and Deborah were called ghetto last year, both english and neither of them tried to hit anyone like Ellie did...

[Maru]

I mean theres a few more white faces but its still predominantly black, also the caption on one of the pictures of a white girl is "white people that act a different race" :skull:

Considering that a lot of people here living in poorer neighborhoods tend to enjoy and emulate more "ethnic" music, that's not surprising either... the ethnic "look" is considered as part of that core aesthetic.

I don't consider ghetto in US, particularly in the southern metros like Houston and Miami where race relations are more relaxed, to be a steady term at all. I've seen it in a variety of uses in our community... that's why I don't really associate it with black/brown-ness... I think a lot of urban poor neighborhoods tend to be on the black/brown side, but if there's white trash living in a trailer park someplace, we tend to class them in as part of the ghetto... maybe it is completely different in the UK and those are terms that are used more sparingly. In the poorer neighborhoods here, a lot of the younger folk have taken back ownership of the word to refer to the type of lifestyle and neighborhood they were born in... so maybe once upon a time it had a racial history to it. Now it doesn't seem to be used that way.. but rather an upbringing that we're all "proud" of, in a weird sort of way...

I think Hispanics and Blacks here like to use "hood" and "barrio" separately when specifically speaking about their own neighborhoods... but in general, a ghetto is a class of neighborhood in which all types of poor folk generally reside in... (where I live anyway...)

[GoldHeart]

Who's comparing? I'm pointing out you can't just invent new definitions of words every time you speak.

Chav? Is this the part where you tell me white people are victims of racism too? (Not that chav has ever been a white person insult).

I know where the word Ghetto came from i'm not stupid , the point i'm making is it's become ingrained in pop culture and all types of people get called ghetto. Yes there's racist connotations when some people use that word.

Ghetto was usually an insult because of where somebody lived , and lack of education aswell as their behaviour . Yes it was aimed at predominantly black people because when people think of poor areas in America like the hood etc where there's alot of crime it's usually places like compton etc .

I'm just saying you can't immediately assume ghetto is racist when anyone uses it today . Think about context aswell.

Well you were the one trying to say it's as bad as the N word which is ridiculous.

I'm just saying the word Chav can be taken a certain way, but we use it. Chav is aimed at british low class people . the way people dress, act and the way they decorate their homes get's called chavvy .

[Jason.]

James Jordan confirmed racist?

Audley had him sussed?

[Miranda123]

She's not just disagreeing though? She's being a child about it.

She's literally attacking Kirstie because she knows she voted for Trump, not because of anything Kirstie has actually said or done. That kind of calls into question her intelligence and, therefore, her education.

she doesnt actually know who Kirstie voted for, but is it now acceptable to slate someone for their political views, if they are right wing? what happened to freedom of thought??

[GoldHeart]

How is acknowledging the racial undertones of the word going backwards? Why do people always want to sweep racism under the carped and pretend that we're in this colourblind utopia and it doesn't exist anymore and call anyone who would rather have a discussion about it "decisive".

Also you point about Natalie being American doesn't hold true because both Hannah and Deborah were called ghetto last year, both english and neither of them tried to hit anyone like Ellie did...

Sweep what racism under the carpet?? , i don't sweep anything under any carpet when racism is concerned :nono: .

Regarding Deborah & Hannah i never watched that BB , i've seen clips though.

If people referred to them as "Ghetto" then it might of been racially forced if that's the way to put it , which i agree is wrong . Listen i'm not denying racism and subtle undertone racism isn't around believe me i've watched things and been completely irritated at the injustice of people of colour .

I also thing some people get edited a certain way to be seen as "the angry black person" , i've seen it all . But i'm just saying regarding that tweet from james jordan i don't think he's being racist, i know he's a tool bag but i don't think he's racist that's just my opinion .

[Marsh.]

I know where the word Ghetto came from i'm not stupid , the point i'm making is it's become ingrained in pop culture and all types of people get called ghetto. Yes there's racist connotations when some people use that word.

Ghetto was usually an insult because of where somebody lived , and lack of education aswell as their behaviour . Yes it was aimed at predominantly black people because when people think of poor areas in America like the hood etc where there's alot of crime it's usually places like compton etc .

I'm just saying you can't immediately assume ghetto is racist when anyone uses it today . Think about context aswell.

Well you were the one trying to say it's as bad as the N word which is ridiculous.

I'm just saying the word Chav can be taken a certain way, but we use it. Chav is aimed at british low class people . the way people dress, act and the way they decorate their homes get's called chavvy .

I didn't say it was as bad as the 'n' word. In fact I didn't make a comparison on the words at all. READ what I wrote!

You think James Jordan called her ghetto because of her background? Does he know her that well? Or did he think "Oooh, angry black girl"? He's very vocal about all kinds of housemates in CBB and not once has he called a mouthy white girl "ghetto". In fact he's friends with Helen Wood!

[Marsh.]

she doesnt actually know who Kirstie voted for, but is it now acceptable to slate someone for their political views, if they are right wing? what happened to freedom of thought??

I haven't slated anyone for their political views. :conf:

However, Kirstie was a very vocal supporter of Trump throughout his election which may be what has coloured Natalie's view of her.

[GoldHeart]

she doesnt actually know who Kirstie voted for, but is it now acceptable to slate someone for their political views, if they are right wing? what happened to freedom of thought??

That's why i think Kirstie is now the new Ann Widdecombe , the amount of times people and certain housemates brought up her views.

I don't support tories but i was judging Ann on her behaviour in the house . And i will take Kirstie the same way , plus as it turns out it looks like in the end Kirstie didn't support either candidate in the election but as i've said maybe she's still a republican .

[Marsh.]

That's why i think Kirstie is now the new Ann Widdecombe , the amount of times people and certain housemates brought up her views.

Not really. Ann was very open with her views, opinions and political persuasion. Kirstie hasn't been.

It's fair enough to respond and react to someone should they be sharing those views, discussing them with you/on the show, like Ann did.

However, so far, Kirstie has done no such thing so is getting judged on nothing but a childish assumption that Kirstie has designed the whole Trump themed task.

I can only assume Natalie doesn't know Stormy Daniels was originally going to appear.

[armand.kay]

Considering that a lot of people here living in poorer neighborhoods tend to enjoy and emulate more "ethnic" music, that's not surprising either... the ethnic "look" is considered as part of that core aesthetic.

I don't consider ghetto in US, particularly in the southern metros like Houston and Miami where race relations are more relaxed, to be a steady term at all. I've seen it in a variety of uses in our community... that's why I don't really associate it with black/brown-ness... I think a lot of urban poor neighborhoods tend to be on the black/brown side, but if there's white trash living in a trailer park someplace, we tend to class them in as part of the ghetto... maybe it is completely different in the UK and those are terms that are used more sparingly. In the poorer neighborhoods here, a lot of the younger folk have taken back ownership of the word to refer to the type of lifestyle and neighborhood they were born in... so maybe once upon a time it had a racial history to it. Now it doesn't seem to be used that way.. but rather an upbringing that we're all "proud" of, in a weird sort of way...

I think Hispanics and Blacks here like to use "hood" and "barrio" separately when specifically speaking about their own neighborhoods... but in general, a ghetto is a class of neighborhood in which all types of poor folk generally reside in... (where I live anyway...)
I think though the existence of words like white trash help in separating lower class white people from lower class black people. So we end up with words like ratchet and ghetto being associated more with African Americans. Also I think from the outside looking in you don't really see how different areas might use the words differently depending on racial makeup of the area. You kind of just see it as black and white...

I'm not saying that it's not possible for the word to become a universal term but at the moment for me its still way too heavily associated with black people for me not to consider that when a black woman is called ghetto for being opinionated.

[MB.]

Has anyone noticed Jordan didn't spell Ghetto correctly

It's almost as though he's... uneducated trash :think:

[JoshBB]

Natalie is educated, and I love that she speaks out for BLM, the Flint water crisis, and against Trump.. but sis never heard of satire before???????? maybe it's an American thing?

[GoldHeart]

I didn't say it was as bad as the 'n' word. In fact I didn't make a comparison on the words at all. READ what I wrote!

You think James Jordan called her ghetto because of her background? Does he know her that well? Or did he think "Oooh, angry black girl"? He's very vocal about all kinds of housemates in CBB and not once has he called a mouthy white girl "ghetto". In fact he's friends with Helen Wood!

Natalie Nunn is famous for being a bad girl and getting into fiery arguments and fights. I never watched Helen's year , but prior to her entrance did she have a bad reputation? or did that only come out when she was in the house being loud and obnoxious? .

I'm not a fan of James Jordan , that's his business if he's friends with Helen . He himself was no angel when he was in the BB house so it's irrelevant who he's friends with and who he's not .

I still think it's more to do with Natalie's notorious background and the fact she's American why he used that word . But i guess it's left to interpretation.

As i've said i've seen undertone racism especially regarding the whole "angry black woman" shtick . But i don't know with James' comment .

[armand.kay]

welp he blocked me for replying with Ghetto!??

[GoldHeart]

I think though the existence of words like white trash help in separating lower class white people from lower class black people. So we end up with words like ratchet and ghetto being associated more with African Americans. Also I think from the outside looking in you don't really see how different areas might use the words differently depending on racial makeup of the area. You kind of just see it as black and white...

I'm not saying that it's not possible for the word to become a universal term but at the moment for me its still way too heavily associated with black people for me not to consider that when a black woman is called ghetto for being opinionated.

What about when people get called "trailer park trash" surely that's less offensive than "white trash" . I never understood the need for people to bring up someone's race in a derogatory way.

[rusticgal]

Natalie is educated, and I love that she speaks out for BLM, the Flint water crisis, and against Trump.. but sis never heard of satire before???????? maybe it's an American thing?

The Americans have a completely different sense of humour and I don't think they get satire or sarcasm...mind you I find Kirstie very funny with her sarcasm.

[Marsh.]

Natalie Nunn is famous for being a bad girl and getting into fiery arguments and fights. I never watched Helen's year , but prior to her entrance did she have a bad reputation? or did that only come out when she was in the house being loud and angry? .

I'm not a fan of James Jordan , that's his business if he's friends with Helen . He himself was no angel when he was in the BB house so it's irrelevant who he's friends with and who he's not .

It is relevant in the context of what I'm discussing.

For James Jordan, mouthy black girl gets a racial slur, mouthy white girl gets praised as an awesome housemate. The irony being he was one of the nastiest of the series he starred in.

Did Helen have a bad reputation prior to BB? Well, I shan't get into it as it would fill its own thread. But yes, she did.

I still think it's more to do with Natalie's notorious backgroud and the fact she's American why he used that word . But i guess it's left to interpretation.

In that case I guess it's up to James Jordan to explain why he's never used it to describe a white American in the past. He was very vocal about another mouthy American in the form of Farrah Abraham. Not once did he use the word ghetto to describe her though.

Edit - He's defended himself on twitter saying "It's a word people call white people too" yet, he hasn't.

[JerseyWins]

I don't think James is racist for using the word ghetto unless he's only ever used it to refer to a black person (which idk and I won't assume one way or another).

It's like when a black or white person says "I grew up in the ghetto" they're NOT saying they grew up in a black neighborhood. :joker: They're talking about the environment, the lifestyle, usually the crime rates and poverty that they grew up in. And people get tough/abrasive/etc. personalities in that situation and that's what the term has come to describe.

It's associated to the way people act OR where they're from and I've seen it used a ton for all races... white, black, asian, etc.

[JoshBB]

The Americans have a completely different sense of humour and I don't think they get satire or sarcasm...mind you I find Kirstie very funny with her sarcasm.

It comes across cold and blunt to me rather than funny, but i'm glad someone can enjoy it :laugh:

[Marsh.]

I don't think it's clever enough or funny enough to be labelled "satire".

But, yes, it seems to be a kind of attempt at it.

[Maru]

I think though the existence of words like white trash help in separating lower class white people from lower class black people. So we end up with words like ratchet and ghetto being associated more with African Americans. Also I think from the outside looking in you don't really see how different areas might use the words differently depending on racial makeup of the area. You kind of just see it as black and white...

I'm not saying that it's not possible for the word to become a universal term but at the moment for me its still way too heavily associated with black people for me not to consider that when a black woman is called ghetto for being opinionated.

I grew up in the ghetto. My yearbook is probably blacker and browner than most people's here, I was 1 of maybe 5 white folk in a school of 2800ish. This is not me from the outside looking in. Houston is majority-minority.

(Edit) Anyway this is not me discounting your POV. But clearly other people have a right to their own...

[Captain.Remy]

Not only is she educated but she knows how to act around it. She's not stupid, she knows what she is doing and she felt uncomfortable and spoke about it
Natalie a few years ago would have went wild already but she aged since. She talked about what she felt openly and that was a good thing to do. She keeps it real, whether you agree or not.