NATALIE went because the audience no longer likes negativity

[elliebrew]

The audience has changed.

They no longer want to see negativity, shouting and drama.

It drains the house of life and soul

Natalie loved the sound of her own voice. I didn't

Im very happy she's gone.

[Smithy]

Ok

[Samm]

the audience has always been voting out black females, nothing changes

https://78.media.tumblr.com/4f9fb2add735e071bdd218180fa71612/tumblr_pa2v7ozhwq1xw7h9io1_250.gif

[Cherie]

Agree, the audience are seeing a chance of some actual social interaction, Gabby has not encouraged Dan, Ben is going to stalk Roxy, Hardeep is going to be isolated by some of the females not for what he has done in the house but because of his storm, Chloe is going to be targetted because she isn't a celeb, this is what BB is about, not shouting and fake arguments.

[elliebrew]

Agree, the audience are seeing a chance of some actual social interaction, Gabby has not encouraged Dan, Ben is going to stalk Roxy, Hardeep is going to be isolated by some of the females not for what he has done in the house but because of his storm, Chloe is going to be targetted because she isn't a celeb, this is what BB is about, not shouting and fake arguments.

sense at last

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

No

[chuff me dizzy]

The GBP wont accept loud mouthed chavs simple as that and esp the ones who come in claiming they have won the show before it even starts, the first chance they get they evict them

[DouglasS]

the audience has always been voting out black females, nothing changes

https://78.media.tumblr.com/4f9fb2add735e071bdd218180fa71612/tumblr_pa2v7ozhwq1xw7h9io1_250.gif

Hannah and Deborah were the last remaining pair last season.... Hannah survived numerous Vote to evict's. This is nonsense.

[Elliot]

They were British not American

[Black Dagger]

The audience has changed.

They no longer want to see negativity, shouting and drama.

It drains the house of life and soul

Natalie loved the sound of her own voice. I didn't

Im very happy she's gone.

Good for you.

[y.winter]

the audience has always been voting out black females, nothing changes

https://78.media.tumblr.com/4f9fb2add735e071bdd218180fa71612/tumblr_pa2v7ozhwq1xw7h9io1_250.gif

Because they're mostly the same unintelligent VH1 trash?
Deborah and Hannah were better than that "feisty black" template.

[Robodog]

She was nominated because of her behaviour

She was evicted because of her behaviour


Shame, because she had a good side with a lot of fun and energy

But she blew it by taking the 'bad girl' persona too far


Clearly, it was how she acted that got her evicted, not 'what she looked like'

FFS :facepalm:

[lewys]

the audience has always been voting out black females, nothing changes

https://78.media.tumblr.com/4f9fb2add735e071bdd218180fa71612/tumblr_pa2v7ozhwq1xw7h9io1_250.gif

tea ! i didn't see ANY of this energy for katie hopkins / helen wood / bear when they all came top 2 !

[lewys]

the audience has always been voting out black females, nothing changes

https://78.media.tumblr.com/4f9fb2add735e071bdd218180fa71612/tumblr_pa2v7ozhwq1xw7h9io1_250.gif

this is scientifically proven with EVIDENCE when scotty t and darren day beat miss tiffany pollard, single handedly THE best cbb housemate ever

[Robodog]

tea ! i didn't see ANY of this energy for katie hopkins / helen wood / bear when they all came top 2 !

They were all crowd-splitters, just like Natalie

If Nat had shown more of her positive side then she'd still be there and have a great chance of going all the way

[Alf]

The MTV audience tried hijacking Big Brother with their fakeness, but the real Big Brother fans gave them the middle finger.

Take your aggressive, disgusting women and get back to MTV where you belong with your fake sh!t.

[Elliot]

Bear having a positive side tea

[lewys]

They were all crowd-splitters, just like Natalie

If Nat had shown more of her positive side then she'd still be there and have a great chance of going all the way

WHAT positive side did any of the three mentioned have, especially katie n helen had much more of a vile nasty streak to them more than natalie

[Samm]

Hannah and Deborah were the last remaining pair last season.... Hannah survived numerous Vote to evict's. This is nonsense.

Because they're mostly the same unintelligent VH1 trash?
Deborah and Hannah were better than that "feisty black" template.

Hannah was disliked, and was usually at the top of those VTE votes, she was always usually against more then three people, even though Deborah made it far she revived far too much criticism for her "weird accent"

[y.winter]

Hannah was disliked because she didn't compromise, not because she had this built-in American attitude of "look at me b**** n**** say it to ma face" MTV bull****.

I'm more concerned about the automatic admiration to any bimbo that comes out of those trash tv shows just because "oh wow she's black, must be feisty and diva and hurricane whatever and throwing chairs on people lol funny entertaining". They're mostly just childish. This is really boring and somewhat stigmatic.

[lewys]

I'm more concerned about the automatic admiration to any bimbo that comes out of those trash tv shows just because "oh wow she's black, must be feisty and diva and hurricane whatever and throwing chairs on people lol funny entertaining".

this is such a stupid statement, it's common sense if someone like a housemate who is 'feisty and diva', then they like that trait in housemates. it's just their taste. it's the same as to why boring young white males win every series, it's peoples taste. usually if they come from similar tv shows they behave in similar ways hence why people like them, not JUST because they came from the show so it's automatic

[DouglasS]

They were British not American

Umm Tiffany Pollard got to the final after being up numerous times

[Josy]

I completely agree.

[lewys]

Umm Tiffany Pollard got to the final after being up numerous times

after providing one of the most iconic stints and coming fourth, beaten by 2 attractive white males who did nothing in the whole series ?

[armand.kay]

people acting like Hannah would of made the final had it not been for the her fans campaigning the facebook girlies wanted her OUT https://78.media.tumblr.com/4f9fb2add735e071bdd218180fa71612/tumblr_pa2v7ozhwq1xw7h9io1_250.gif

[chuff me dizzy]

She was nominated because of her behaviour

She was evicted because of her behaviour


Shame, because she had a good side with a lot of fun and energy

But she blew it by taking the 'bad girl' persona too far


Clearly, it was how she acted that got her evicted, not 'what she looked like'

FFS :facepalm:

Its as simple as that ,we've seen it all before and heard it all before,and her way is not the voting publics way :clap1:

[VanessaFeltz.]

natalie went because public likes boring heterosexual men who have decent body because public desire them... or boring women sometimes because they think they are better than them.. Sometimes lots of things go right so we have okay winners but most of the time one of the two things i talk about happens.

[Elliot]

Umm Tiffany Pollard got to the final after being up numerous times

And she lost to Darren day??

[armand.kay]

Umm Tiffany Pollard got to the final after being up numerous times

do you think tiffany would of got so far had she been up in a head to head with mild mannered had in week 1?

[DouglasS]

And she lost to Darren day??

But the point I was replying to is that the audience has always been voting out black women. She wasn't voted out... She made the final. Likewise Hannah wasn't voted out numerous times, she actually went home on the vote to win lines. Deborah again wasn't voted out she made the final..

This isn't true that these women are being voted out because they're black and I've given three instances that are all recent.

[chuff me dizzy]

natalie went because public likes boring heterosexual men who have decent body because public desire them... or boring women sometimes because they think they are better than them.. Sometimes lots of things go right so we have okay winners but most of the time one of the two things i talk about happens.

She was up against Hardeep I wouldn't class him as having a decent body ,but thats only my opinion :shrug:

[armand.kay]

The MTV audience tried hijacking Big Brother with their fakeness, but the real Big Brother fans gave them the middle finger.

Take your aggressive, disgusting women and get back to MTV where you belong with your fake sh!t.

MTV???

[Elliot]

But the point I was replying to is that the audience has always been voting out black women. She wasn't voted out... She made the final. Likewise Hannah wasn't voted out numerous times, she actually went home on the vote to win lines. Deborah again wasn't voted out she made the final..

This isn't true that these women are being voted out because they're black and I've given three instances that are all recent.

Iliterally hailed as the most entertaining housemate of all time and both Rylan and Emma wanted her to win yet she got less votes than Darren day

Also my point is less so black female and more so Americans. I know a many Brits who hate Americans so I think there’s some truth to it

[lewys]

if helen wood / katie hopkins was up against hardeep they would have stayed. period. but the tea is they were more vile than our nat !

[DouglasS]

do you think tiffany would of got so far had she been up in a head to head with mild mannered had in week 1?

She didn't scream at loads of people for literally no reason. She lost her temper quite a few times but she actually had comedy with it, Natalie had no comedy or wit like Tiffany, she was literally just a gob which is why I found Natalie so tiresome.

I think Tiffany would have had quite a good chance yes.

[chuff me dizzy]

if helen wood / katie hopkins was up against hardeep they would have stayed. period. but the tea is they were more vile than our nat !

Because they are a lot nicer people than Natalie

[VanessaFeltz.]

She was up against Hardeep I wouldn't class him as having a decent body ,but thats only my opinion :shrug:

I am not talking about hardeep i am talking about in general how public elects "attractive" heterosexual men to win most of the times and evict women who have any type of personality. I dont think even hardeep will survive long.

[armand.kay]

Because they are a lot nicer people than Natalie

Helen is a monster no redeeming qualities at all.

[VanessaFeltz.]

Also Tiffany New York Polard lost against a cheater and 2 bores..

[chuff me dizzy]

Helen is a monster no redeeming qualities at all.

But the GBP who voted her as Queen on CBB dont agree with you

[Elliot]

Lmao we live in a world where Natalie can be the first evictee and Helen can win a series scream

[chuff me dizzy]

I am not talking about hardeep i am talking about in general how public elects "attractive" heterosexual men to win most of the times and evict women who have any type of personality. I dont think even hardeep will survive long.

No I dont think he will last long, but last night was the 1st eviction and Natalie lost out to an over weight man

[VanessaFeltz.]

No I dont think he will last long, but last night was the 1st eviction and Natalie lost out to an over weight man

natalie was an alpha woman so thats why she was always going to go... that is the type of person public hates the most no matter what

[chuff me dizzy]

What made last nights great eviction even better was Natalie sat their in her crown

[Alf]

Helen is a monster no redeeming qualities at all.You only call her a monster because she's White.

This identity politics game works both ways.

[poppsywoppsy]

Harking back to Emma and Rylans interviews with Natalie, it was very evident she does not listen to what others are saying and asking her.

When having her own bad behaviour shown to her, she turns it around on others pointing out their faults therefore negating hers. Or she just ignores it and carries on regardless, pointing out no one apologizes to her. Why would they after the onslaughts she threw their way.

[chuff me dizzy]

Harking back to Emma and Rylans interviews with Natalie, it was very evident she does not listen to what others are saying and asking her.

When having her own bad behaviour shown to her, she turns it around on others pointing out their faults therefore negating hers. Or she just ignores it and carries on regardless, pointing out no one apologizes to her. Why would they after the onslaughts she threw their way.

I noticed that with Emmas interview

[Cherie]

She was up against Hardeep I wouldn't class him as having a decent body ,but thats only my opinion :shrug:

:joker:

[armand.kay]

But the GBP who voted her as Queen on CBB don't agree with you
ok and is that supposed to change my mind on her?
You only call her a monster because she's White.

This identity politics game works both ways.
most of my profile faves are white so how about you shut up because clearly you have no idea what you're talking about x

[armand.kay]

I've literally got two white women in my sig so clearly race is not a problem with me. Just because I speak on race doesn't make me anti white stupid.

[Alf]

ok and is that supposed to change my mind on her?

most of my profile faves are white so how about you shut up because clearly you have no idea what you're talking about xTouched a nerve have I?

Thanks for showing me your weakness.

[chuff me dizzy]

Hannah was disliked because she didn't compromise, not because she had this built-in American attitude of "look at me b**** n**** say it to ma face" MTV bull****.

I'm more concerned about the automatic admiration to any bimbo that comes out of those trash tv shows just because "oh wow she's black, must be feisty and diva and hurricane whatever and throwing chairs on people lol funny entertaining". They're mostly just childish. This is really boring and somewhat stigmatic.

Me too

[Northern Monkey]

The MTV audience tried hijacking Big Brother with their fakeness, but the real Big Brother fans gave them the middle finger.

Take your aggressive, disgusting women and get back to MTV where you belong with your fake sh!t.

100%.

That crap don’t wash anymore.It s been done to death.

[armand.kay]

Touched a nerve have I?

Thanks for showing me your weakness.

Only thing weak here are these responses.... Like does this have anything to do with the topic? If you think I take anything on a bloody big brother forum seriously then you're seriously fooling yourself...

[chuff me dizzy]

100%.

That crap don’t wash anymore.It s been done to death.

Maybe after last nights result the producers will be more picky when choosing future hm8s

[armand.kay]

Hannah was disliked because she didn't compromise, not because she had this built-in American attitude of "look at me b**** n**** say it to ma face" MTV bull****.

I'm more concerned about the automatic admiration to any bimbo that comes out of those trash tv shows just because "oh wow she's black, must be feisty and diva and hurricane whatever and throwing chairs on people lol funny entertaining". They're mostly just childish. This is really boring and somewhat stigmatic.

It's not really automatic because a lot of them were suggested by fan's who've seen their respective shows so of course they're gonna get a significant fan base before they've even entered.

[y.winter]

Yet, we're happy to open polls on which out of three housemates is the best, and not address the fact that they were not randomly chosen, but also share the same skin colour.

Maybe people automatically go against housemates because they're black and female, but there's a big enough crowd that automatically like them based on that same assumption. I've seen it work both way.

[chuff me dizzy]

It's not really automatic because a lot of them were suggested by fan's who've seen their respective shows so of course they're gonna get a significant fan base before they've even entered.

But not a big enough fan base to even get them past week one

[armand.kay]

But not a big enough fan base to even get them past week one

I'm confused what does this have to do with what I was saying :conf:

[chuff me dizzy]

I'm confused what does this have to do with what I was saying :conf:

You're claiming that they have a significant fan base before entering the house, Im pointing the fan base cant get them past week one

[Ashley.]

Yet, we're happy to open polls on which out of three housemates is the best, and not address the fact that they were not randomly chosen, but also share the same skin colour.

Maybe people automatically go against housemates because they're black and female, but there's a big enough crowd that automatically like them based on that same assumption. I've seen it work both way.

Perfectly said. It's a constant clash between people who dislike them by default, and people who like them by default.

[Northern Monkey]

She was up against Hardeep I wouldn't class him as having a decent body ,but thats only my opinion :shrug:

Back hair shaming :fist:

[armand.kay]

You're claiming that they have a significant fan base before entering the house, Im pointing the fan base cant get them past week one

Significant doesn't necessarily mean the majority of viewers. I was responding to a post that claimed that people automatically liked Natalie because she's black and I pointed out that a lot of her fans knew her before she went in...

[chuff me dizzy]

Back hair shaming :fist:

Theres body hair and theres body hair and by God hes got loads of it :joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

Significant doesn't necessarily mean the majority of viewers. I was responding to a post that claimed that people automatically liked Natalie because she's black and I pointed out that a lot of her fans knew her before she went in...

And a lot on here supported her because she was a black American,loud mouthed thug

[armand.kay]

Yet, we're happy to open polls on which out of three housemates is the best, and not address the fact that they were not randomly chosen, but also share the same skin colour.

Maybe people automatically go against housemates because they're black and female, but there's a big enough crowd that automatically like them based on that same assumption. I've seen it work both way.

Perfectly said. It's a constant clash between people who dislike them by default, and people who like them by default.

Have you not considered the fact that the last few black females on CBB were from similar reality tv backgrounds so will all get similar fans? Also surely we should be more concerned about the people who automatically dislike them because while both are problematic (and I have spoke in the past about how turning black women into these sassy caricature is damaging even when it's being admired) the fact that black women are automatically at a disadvantage is more concerning to me.

[armand.kay]

And a lot on here supported her because she was a black American,loud mouthed thug

A lot on here knew her from her stint on the bad girls club and have known about her for ages. I mean look at all the campaigns to get her in.

[reece(:]

There's no like by default, I've been a Natalie fan since 2012 :joker:

[chuff me dizzy]

A lot on here knew her from her stint on the bad girls club and have known about her for ages. I mean look at all the campaigns to get her in.

But a lot didn't know her as well, but thats by the by, she was an awful hm8s and person and was ditched by the majority vote from an audience who were disgusted by her behaviour

[armand.kay]

There's no like by default, I've been a Natalie fan since 2012 :joker:

The BGC thread is one more active ones in the reality tv forum despite the show being cancelled and people are really putting her popularity on here down to her being black and American. LOL

[Crimson Dynamo]

There's no like by default, I've been a Natalie fan since 2012 :joker:

:umm2:

[Ashley.]

Have you not considered the fact that the last few black females on CBB were from similar reality tv backgrounds so will all get similar fans? Also surely we should be more concerned about the people who automatically dislike them because while both are problematic (and I have spoke in the past about how turning black women into these sassy caricature is damaging even when it's being admired) the fact that black women are automatically at a disadvantage is more concerning to me.

That's the exact reason why I'm saying it's an issue. I'm not saying disliking females based on ethnicity isn't, and of course, it's a much bigger issue than the former. Nevertheless both are damaging to black women, whether you're turning them into a "meme" without intent but out of admiration or into a figure that we should be ashamed of. One is much more wrong than the other but both are still wrong.

There's no like by default, I've been a Natalie fan since 2012 :joker:

That's fair enough. To people on both sides, if you don't believe mine or Winter's comments concern you then they probably don't.

[Cherie]

There's no like by default, I've been a Natalie fan since 2012 :joker:

oh please, remember when Suki and Imran were faves for some before they entered the house, I wonder why that was

[reece(:]

The sweeping generalisations on here get more ridiculous by the series.

[Elliot]

oh please, remember when Suki and Imran were faves for some before they entered the house, I wonder why that was
And sukhi was great so..???

[Cherie]

And sukhi was great so..???

she might have been if she hadn't walked

[Withano]

I think there will always be about 40% of the votes going to the airtime-snatchers.

...40% isnt enough in a head to head, but she would have topped the vote if it was a 3 or 4-way

[Elliot]

she might have been if she hadn't walked

Literally go on any bb18 compilation vid or Facebook thread 50% of the top comments are ‘damn I wish sukhi wouldn’t have walked she was fantastic’

[Jordan.]

Not the racist public spending their money saving an asian man to get the black woman out :omgno:

She went because she is not famous in the UK and has no fanbase besides twitter gays. Also the fact she did nothing to endear herself to the viewers.

[Crimson Dynamo]

She could not even beat Hardeep

International queen runs LA

:laugh2:

[BB-Germany]

She was evicted because the haters voted for Hardeep, simple as that.

[Livia]

Not the racist public spending their money saving an asian man to get the black woman out :omgno:

She went because she is not famous in the UK and has no fanbase besides twitter gays. Also the fact she did nothing to endear herself to the viewers.

There is nothing more to say. Apart from good riddance.

[glibberglobber]

what even was her storm

[montblanc]

Because they are a lot nicer people than Natalie

i have to LAUGH at this :laugh3:

[Crimson Dynamo]

what even was her storm

no one cared enough about her to ask

:hehe:

[Daniel-X]

Well you’re a clever little cookie aren’t you Mrs!

[Black Dagger]

And they clearly do want negativity. They bloody let Coleen Nolan win.

[Glenn-C]

I'm just saying. Helen Wood and Bear were WORSE than Natalie and yet...

[Tozzie]

the audience has always been voting out black females, nothing changes

https://78.media.tumblr.com/4f9fb2add735e071bdd218180fa71612/tumblr_pa2v7ozhwq1xw7h9io1_250.gif

oh god, why does colour have to come into it, she went because she was a vile woman!

[GoldHeart]

The audience has changed.

They no longer want to see negativity, shouting and drama.

It drains the house of life and soul

Natalie loved the sound of her own voice. I didn't

Im very happy she's gone.

No I think it depends .

There's been some vile housemates in the past that have gone the distance .

I also think Americans have a less chance of staying when they act so OTT , Natalie repeated herself far too much and drowned people out too much and just shouted too much . The arguments became tiresome & petty :bored: .

If she was just bitchy with funny one liners and actually entertaining then she might still be in the house . But instead she only showed a fun side on her last night when it was too late .

[Marsh.]

We are drama'd out when it comes to housemates who start arguments just for the sake of arguing.

[Marsh.]

I'm just saying. Helen Wood and Bear were WORSE than Natalie and yet...

Helen Wood was not eligible to be evicted so is not a valid argument.

All she did was beat the sh*tty housemates she was in the final with at the end.

[Elliot]

Helen Wood was not eligible to be evicted so is not a valid argument.

All she did was beat the sh*tty housemates she was in the final with at the end.

Not Ashleigh being sh!tty

[Marsh.]

Not Ashleigh being sh!tty

Yep, one of the blandest housemates ever.

[Beso]

Thing is, it was never argumemts. It was just her very very loud voice.

[*mazedsalv**]

the audience has always been voting out black females, nothing changes

https://78.media.tumblr.com/4f9fb2add735e071bdd218180fa71612/tumblr_pa2v7ozhwq1xw7h9io1_250.gif

Don't play that one. The public bar Helen (as she never faced a vote anyway) don't like those who are argumentative whether they are black or white especially if they go round and starting fights for no reason.

Lesley
Grace
Nicole
Bea
Becky
Caroline

To name a few, these are "white villains"

Also lets not forget the types of Gina, Tiffany, Deana, Deborah were very popular with the public despite having lots of arguments.

It has nothing to do with colour.

It has to do with who they attack and how they do it.

I will never forget something that Craig from BB6 said about Science when he was evicted, "he was having arguments with everyone, and he could have had a row with the favourite to win, once you do that, you are done" and it rings true.

It takes 1 row to make someone hated.

[wendywillow]

cbb always votes out the loud female first boot, well almost always, plus shes American and got the 'bully' tag? im not a huge fan but she did bring drama and could be fun, theyre gonna need more of that after the disaster that was last season (and now Rodrigo is gone? yikes)

[Maru]

What I do respect Natalie on is that she didn't use her race as a reasoning for her being booted... she understood quite clearly why she was booted, hence her massive defense during her exit, on how it wasn't really that bad... and "I don't know what the cameras portrayed", etc... it was her job to earn people's votes, but she failed... it was never a given anyway, no matter how much of a natural "queen bee" she felt she was... she had to be a little bit more than simply a Queen Bee... but she didn't seem to want to bother to show us more (imo)...

[wendywillow]

the hotheads/big characters need to go in subdued and quiet at first avoiding the dreaded uk ire, and then ramp it up as the season goes.....they never do though (sigh)

[GoldHeart]

the hotheads/big characters need to go in subdued and quiet at first avoiding the dreaded uk ire, and then ramp it up as the season goes.....they never do though (sigh)

Natalie could barely last a day without shouting like a fog horn so she was never going to keep a lid on it till later weeks, even on eviction day she had a silly argument about cake & eggs. Again yeah i agree it's stupid they used all the eggs to make a cake NOBODY ate , but again it was unnecessary drama that she prolonged !!! :bored: :facepalm: .

[Ammi]

...they’re all negative housemates though in that they’ve all been chosen for their negative storms which go beyond controversial housemates as some have been in the past...so it can’t be said that the public no longer likes negativity if this series is getting similar size viewers and voters as in the past etc...it really depends on an individual viewer and voter etc as to which type of negativity they find more acceptable or less unacceptable in nature of the storms they all have..?...some of those storms for me are quite difficult to get beyond to see any other parts in their character because of the grim nature...and there seems a lot of reluctance in talking about them so that makes it harder to get on board with any...Natalie was trying to rattle those storms to the surface in the early days and for me that was a positive..?...sadly that wasn’t to be, most of them voted for her because they wanted to hide in their corners and create ‘their own stories’....she was for me a real positive in the house with the theme this year and the characters who have been out in there...

[Robodog]

Don't play that one. The public bar Helen (as she never faced a vote anyway) don't like those who are argumentative whether they are black or white especially if they go round and starting fights for no reason.

Lesley
Grace
Nicole
Bea
Becky
Caroline

To name a few, these are "white villains"

Also lets not forget the types of Gina, Tiffany, Deana, Deborah were very popular with the public despite having lots of arguments.

It has nothing to do with colour.


Good point

Also in Helen's year: remember PAULINE?

Her entrance was one of the most crowd-positive of all time.
The public LOVED her on 1st impressions.

So much so - she was voted as the 1st Power HM.

It was hers to lose, but boy, how she lost it.