So we’re back to normal nominations after 5 years

[Jake.]

Very happy I must say. Was so sick of having 4+ people up every week

[Josy]

Yep its better

[Headie]

Head to heads are boring and predictable. Why are they adored so much???

I doubt we'll have one surprising eviction this series.

[Black Dagger]

Head to heads suck.

[Jake.]

Far more tense actually!

[JoshBB]

People love to complain lol. It's so nice to have the format back :love:

& im genuinely surprised it exceeded the first week. must be a record for c5

[AProducer'sWetDream]

They're so much more tense and unpredictable! I much prefer head to head evictions. Plus it adds an extra element of game playing to the house as housemates actually fear being nominated.

[Pete.]

Amazing :flutter:

[Jack_]

Head to heads are series ruining and have always been SO overrated, and they're even worse under vote to save

Everything else about this series is perfect but the rule should be 2 noms and you're up

[armand.kay]

Such a better viewing experience for me. Nominations are actually interesting because theres still hope for your fave being saved from. Also evictions don't even stand out when half the house is up.

[JoshBB]

Head to heads are series ruining and have always been SO overrated, and they're even worse under vote to save

Everything else about this series is perfect but the rule should be 2 noms and you're up

We'd be having 5-6 housemates up every week under that rule, nty. I like that the current rule allows a minimum of 2 but the possibility for more if there is no house consensus.

[Oaker]

It's great :love:

[Greg!]

It's such a bloody scream that after years of moaning about the messy nominations rules, when they are made back to normal people are fumed about it :joker:

[JoshBB]

It's such a bloody scream that after years of moaning about the messy nominations rules, when they are made back to normal people seen fumed about it :joker:

forreal omg. Some people won't be happy until the show is cancelled forever

[Pete.]

Head to heads are boring and predictable. Why are they adored so much???

I doubt we'll have one surprising eviction this series.
I think for me it’s more the fact that it stops someone getting only 2 noms going over someone with like 7 noms it makes the nominations themselves actually count

[Jordan.]

They're so much more tense and unpredictable! I much prefer head to head evictions. Plus it adds an extra element of game playing to the house as housemates actually fear being nominated.

Agree, it was a guarantee half the house would be up before so trying to scheme / gameplay was pointless.

[Cherie]

It's such a bloody scream that after years of moaning about the messy nominations rules, when they are made back to normal people seen fumed about it :joker:

forreal omg. Some people won't be happy until the show is cancelled forever

.

[armand.kay]

Head to heads are series ruining and have always been SO overrated, and they're even worse under vote to save

Everything else about this series is perfect but the rule should be 2 noms and you're up

But the majority of seasons with head to head's are either good or brilliant. While the majority of c5's anyone with a nomination is up have been bloody awful.

[Denver]

So you all cry for back to basics then want one of the mos fundamental parts removed

[BBDodge]

It effectively cancels out the awful Vote to Save rubbish.

Want to evict Chloe - just dial Hardeep's number (and vice versa).

[JoshBB]

It's funny as well because the criticism before was that this would lead to housemates who do nothing being able to float to the final.. yet Chloe's up proabbly for that reason lmfao

[armand.kay]

Imagine any of the golden seasons with the crappy 2 noms and you're up rule. Now that would've ruined the series.

[Headie]

They're so much more tense and unpredictable! I much prefer head to head evictions. Plus it adds an extra element of game playing to the house as housemates actually fear being nominated.

So it encourages less arguments and disagreements so they avoid being nominated? How great :rolleyes:

[JoshBB]

Imagine any of the golden seasons with the crappy 2 noms and you're up rule. Now that would've ruined the series.

SO many entertaining housemates would be easily bootable under that rule, especially with VTE.

[Jack_]

We'd be having 5-6 housemates up every week under that rule, nty. I like that the current rule allows a minimum of 2 but the possibility for more if there is no house consensus.

Good! All head to heads do under VTS is render it pointless and make it a reverse vote to evict, meaning the biggest character goes every time

With 4+ people up and VTS, the non-entities go 80% of the time and therefore the series isn't damaged week upon week! I'll take that thanks

It's such a bloody scream that after years of moaning about the messy nominations rules, when they are made back to normal people seen fumed about it :joker:

Not moi! I've even said normal noms are overrated themselves before

Never ever been interested in head to heads

[JoshBB]

So it encourages less arguments and disagreements so they avoid being nominated? How great :rolleyes:

I don't recall Chloe being argument-hungry tbf. she's literally gotten most of her nominations for 'doing nothing' / 'being lazy' etc.

Tbf i usually agree with you on most things but you underestimate the power of the format :love:

[Oaker]

Like.. if BB8 had C5 rules Charley would have been evicted in week 3 :laugh:

The old rules are much better.

[Headie]

Imagine any of the golden seasons with the crappy 2 noms and you're up rule. Now that would've ruined the series.

Like.. if BB8 had C5 rules Charley would have been evicted in week 3 :laugh:

The old rules are much better.

But that was 10 years ago, we're living in an area of BB now where you get nominated for having an argument with someone else instead of the actual person nominating them, as well as people nominating someone on someone else's behalf.

Just look at almost all of Natalie's noms being to do with "making Gabby cry" or w/e... If BB8 had been done 10 years later Charley would've been gone immediately "for making Chanelle want to go home" or something :joker:

[JoshBB]

Like.. if BB8 had C5 rules Charley would have been evicted in week 3 :laugh:

The old rules are much better.

You are referring to the "current" way? (ie. the new, old way) or do you mean the "old, new" way (lack of consistent format)

[Oaker]

You are referring to the "current" way? (ie. the new, old way) or do you mean the "old, new" way (lack of consistent format)

the current way

[Headie]

I don't recall Chloe being argument-hungry tbf. she's literally gotten most of her nominations for 'doing nothing' / 'being lazy' etc.

Tbf i usually agree with you on most things but you underestimate the power of the format :love:

Well of course there was going to be non-argumentative people up this week because all the argumentative ones have left, it's not rocket science :laugh:

It's all well and good them nominating Chloe because "she doesn't do anything" but it's laughable how unaware of themselves they are when everyone on the outside is saying the same thing about them :joker:

[Jack_]

Like.. if BB8 had C5 rules Charley would have been evicted in week 3 :laugh:

The old rules are much better.

But you know what's to blame for that? Vote to evict. There's no bigger problem than VTE but having head to heads under VTS renders it a pointless system

The best solution is vote to save and multiple nominees, she'd never go then

[Ashley.]

You are referring to the "current" way? (ie. the new, old way) or do you mean the "old, new" way (lack of consistent format)

If BB8 had the format of 5/6 people going up each week, Charley would've been up a lot sooner and would have been evicted. Then, the same people complaining about head-to-head evictions would have complained about that. Again, it's just a case of rules only being accepted if it suits the person.

Two people up is much better in my opinion.

[Greg!]

But that was 10 years ago, we're living in an area of BB now where you get nominated for having an argument with someone else instead of the actual person nominating them, as well as people nominating someone on someone else's behalf.

Just look at almost all of Natalie's noms being to do with "making Gabby cry" or w/e... If BB8 had been done 10 years later Charley would've been gone immediately "for making Chanelle want to go home" or something :joker:

Charley only escaped being up for eviction because of the nominations format though. If it was messy C5 rules (2 noms and you're up) she would have been up and out week 3 (had a cheeky wee look at the noms table)

[JoshBB]

Well of course there was going to be non-argumentative people up this week because all the argumentative ones have left, it's not rocket science :laugh:

It's all well and good them nominating Chloe because "she doesn't do anything" but it's laughable how unaware of themselves they are when everyone on the outside is saying the same thing about them :joker:

That's because the C5 crowd are used to contrived drama and manipulated series. Give time to adjust, and the series (if it isn't axed) will surely grow in viewership over time with a consistent format.

[Jordan.]

If BB8 had the format of 5/6 people going up each week, Charley would've been up a lot sooner and would have been evicted. Then, the same people complaining about head-to-head evictions would have complained about that. Again, it's just a case of rules only being accepted if it suits the person.

Pretty much.

[Denver]

Well of course there was going to be non-argumentative people up this week because all the argumentative ones have left, it's not rocket science :laugh:

It's all well and good them nominating Chloe because "she doesn't do anything" but it's laughable how unaware of themselves they are when everyone on the outside is saying the same thing about them :joker:

You clearly not been watching since friday then

[JoshBB]

A lot of people are forgetting that this is CBB, where deadwood and bores are pretty much inevitable -- these celebrities don't want to rubbish their careers, after all.

For Civilian BB, where hopefully the casting process has been improved (it seems like it might have), this rule will show why it is the best way to organise nominations.

[Jack_]

Agree, it was a guarantee half the house would be up before so trying to scheme / gameplay was pointless.

I don't think there's much scope for gameplay under the UK format anyway though, not least when they can't even discuss noms

I've said before that if you can 'play a game' on BBUK it has to be one of the easiest on television. Befriend everyone, be a useful housemate, don't say or do anything the whole series, play the "nice guy/girl" role, float to the final, suddenly turn up in the last week and you've given yourself a shot. Bonus points if you're an attractive male

Not only is there no strategy involved in that, it's also completely counter productive from an entertainment standpoint

[armand.kay]

But that was 10 years ago, we're living in an area of BB now where you get nominated for having an argument with someone else instead of the actual person nominating them, as well as people nominating someone on someone else's behalf.

Just look at almost all of Natalie's noms being to do with "making Gabby cry" or w/e... If BB8 had been done 10 years later Charley would've been gone immediately "for making Chanelle want to go home" or something :joker:

Yeah but charley was able to actually get people on her side days before nominations. She knew how to play the game and was aware that she could survive nominations if she gets a few people on her side. Charley was more self aware than Natalie and knew that her behaviour put her in the firing line, while Natalie was shocked at being put up. Had that season been 2 noms and you're up rule she wouldn't of had a chance.

[Ashley.]

A lot of people are forgetting that this is CBB, where deadwood and bores are pretty much inevitable -- these celebrities don't want to rubbish their careers, after all.

For Civilian BB, where hopefully the casting process has been improved (it seems like it might have), this rule will show why it is the best way to organise nominations.

That's right. The show has been going on for almost twenty years, it's becoming rarer for celebrities to "mess up" because most of them would have learned, by now, from past mistakes. Like you said, hopefully they'll get the casting right for BB and not just throw in a bunch of people saving face in order to secure some sort of deal on the outside.

[armand.kay]

I don't think there's much scope for gameplay under the UK format anyway though, not least when they can't even discuss noms

I've said before that if you can 'play a game' on BBUK it has to be one of the easiest on television. Befriend everyone, be a useful housemate, don't say or do anything the whole series, play the "nice guy/girl" role, float to the final, suddenly turn up in the last week and you've given yourself a shot. Bonus points if you're an attractive male

Not only is there no strategy involved in that, it's also completely counter productive from an entertainment standpoint

Nobody on recent seasons has known how to play the game. People now try to play the game by also trying to play the public and most times the housemates see what they're up to anyway.
But if you look at older seasons housemates like Victor and Makosi their transparency gained them a lot of support.

[Jack_]

If BB8 had the format of 5/6 people going up each week, Charley would've been up a lot sooner and would have been evicted. Then, the same people complaining about head-to-head evictions would have complained about that. Again, it's just a case of rules only being accepted if it suits the person.

Two people up is much better in my opinion.

No, I'd be complaining about vote to evict as usual which IS the biggest flaw in BBUK's format

Get rid of that and none of this matters, except not having head to heads under VTS because it's just a reverse VTE

[Headie]

Charley only escaped being up for eviction because of the nominations format though. If it was messy C5 rules (2 noms and you're up) she would have been up and out week 3 (had a cheeky wee look at the noms table)

Yeah I understand your point but that's not what I'm saying. I agree with your point... if it was 2007. But it's 2018 now, no longer the same show as it was, and someone like Charley would probably have been up straight away on a C5 series with the "old rules" of 2 or more up because people nominate on other people's behalf nowadays.

Like, if they'd had the "old rule" for other C5 series, we'd be seeing head to heads like Gemma vs Tiffany, Kim vs Jedward etc. very early on and those series would've been nowhere NEAR as iconic as they ended up being if we'd lost those early.

[armand.kay]

A lot of people are forgetting that this is CBB, where deadwood and bores are pretty much inevitable -- these celebrities don't want to rubbish their careers, after all.

For Civilian BB, where hopefully the casting process has been improved (it seems like it might have), this rule will show why it is the best way to organise nominations.

This. Also celebrity big brother is also different because they're cast on the basis of their names rather than their personalities and the dynamic of the whole cast together.

[Oaker]

No, I'd be complaining about vote to evict as usual which IS the biggest flaw in BBUK's format

Get rid of that and none of this matters, except not having head to heads under VTS because it's just a reverse VTE

But people like Frenchy, Leslie, Saira, Gemma, Alicia were all lost in VTS 3+ evictions :/

[Headie]

A lot of people are forgetting that this is CBB, where deadwood and bores are pretty much inevitable -- these celebrities don't want to rubbish their careers, after all.

For Civilian BB, where hopefully the casting process has been improved (it seems like it might have), this rule will show why it is the best way to organise nominations.

I really hope you're right. It would be great to have another icon like Charley escape noms every week again <333

But I just genuinely don't see it happening, the show is too different now, people pander alot more to what they think the viewers like/dislike and it always affects noms, whereas that didn't used to happen as much in the golden days.

[montblanc]

i don’t like head to heads

[Jack_]

But people like Frenchy, Leslie, Saira, Gemma, Alicia were all lost in VTS 3+ evictions :/

With 4+ people up and VTS, the non-entities go 80% of the time and therefore the series isn't damaged week upon week! I'll take that thanks

No system is foolproof when you allow the public to choose who stays/goes (but that's a debate that's been done ad infinitum), however it's far safer than VTE or VTS with head to heads

[armand.kay]

I really hope you're right. It would be great to have another icon like Charley escape noms every week again <333

But I just genuinely don't see it happening, the show is too different now, people pander alot more to what they think the viewers like/dislike and it always affects noms, whereas that didn't used to happen as much in the golden days.

I mean the last time we had the 2 or more noms and you're up rule was bb13 and thats easily the best c5 series (although 17 is tugging at her crown)

[Glenn.]

I’m just glad they are sticking to a consistent method. The nominations have been messy for the last few years and it’s nice to have some order.

[Matthew.]

i thought it had been longer than 5 years

[Denver]

Head to head has already given us 1 fantastic result this series

[armand.kay]

i thought it had been longer than 5 years

https://i.imgur.com/DGEoPl3.gif

[tiger_greengrass]

Even if my favourite was evicted, I much prefer this format.

[Maru]

Very happy I must say. Was so sick of having 4+ people up every week

:love::love::love: Yes

The best part is if it stays this consistent, it gives them something to "strategize" around... I think it forces people to step up their game... versus BB doing pretty much whatever it pleases so idgaf

[RileyH]

Not a fan

[Headie]

I mean the last time we had the 2 or more noms and you're up rule was bb13 and thats easily the best c5 series (although 17 is tugging at her crown)

That was down to the cast being pretty amazing though. The series before that (BB12) also had the 2 or more up rule and that was one of the worst series ever (which is proof that the voting format doesn't even matter if casting get the housemates perfect - but they so rarely do these days which is why the format needs to be adjusted slightly to keep the good ones in)

[armand.kay]

Even if my favourite was evicted, I much prefer this format.

This. The format is part of the reason I love watching the show and watching the show get messier and messier just turns me off.

[Headie]

Head to head has already given us 1 fantastic result this series

Whether you like or dislike the evictees you can't deny it's made for very predictable eviction nights. The 2nd eviction hasn't even happened yet and yet we're all talking about is as a foregone conclusion because it's just so obviously predictable :joker:

[Denver]

Whether you like or dislike the evictees you can't deny it's made for very predictable eviction nights. The 2nd eviction hasn't even happened yet and yet we're all talking about is as a foregone conclusion because it's just so obviously predictable :joker:

Nobody knew how the 1st one would go

[armand.kay]

That was down to the cast being pretty amazing though. The series before that (BB12) also had the 2 or more up rule and that was one of the worst series ever (which is proof that the voting format doesn't even matter if casting get the housemates perfect - but they so rarely do these days which is why the format needs to be adjusted slightly to keep the good ones in)

I liked bb12 and would sooner rewatch that that 15 or 17

[Jordan.]

Chloe going would have been predicatable with everyone up

[Headie]

Chloe going would have been predicatable with everyone up

Maybe so, but it would've been less predictable than this

[Headie]

Nobody knew how the 1st one would go

Yeah right... LOL

[Headie]

I agree with Jack_ tho that none of this debate matters if they're gonna use VTE for civilian anyway, I don't know why I'm spending so much time on this especially since civilian is the one I actually care about :laugh:

[Headie]

Now I know how Nicky felt when BB asked ha "why are you so hett up Nicky?" because I genuinely don't know why I'm so bothered :laugh:

[Jack_]

I agree with Jack_ tho that none of this debate matters if they're gonna use VTE for civilian anyway, I don't know why I'm spending so much time on this especially since civilian is the one I actually care about :laugh:

That's why I'm dreading civilian now, they can make all of these amazing changes but keep VTE and add head to heads, and it's going to be a car crash that undoes it all

[Jodie.]

VTS: Should be 2 noms and you’re up

VTE: 2 or more HM with most votes


That’s what I THINK Xx

[DouglasS]

I mean the last time we had the 2 or more noms and you're up rule was bb13 and thats easily the best c5 series (although 17 is tugging at her crown)

I'm confused as I remember 1v1's being a thing in BB13.


Benedict vs Lauren
Lauren v Luke A

are from my recollection

[Garfie]

To me, the most important thing is consistency, as that way those voting don't feel as if a result is being manipulated, which stops me voting.

Having said that, I do feel head to head evictions can be predictable and can mean we lose bigger characters too early.

I personally think some consistent system that meant the 3 most nominated were up would be the best.

[Withano]

Head to heads are boring and predictable. Why are they adored so much???

I doubt we'll have one surprising eviction this series.

They arent at all predictable lol, thats probably why theyre adored.

[armand.kay]

I'm confused as I remember 1v1's being a thing in BB13.


Benedict vs Lauren
Lauren v Luke A

are from my recollection

Yeah I know thats what I'm saying

[Withano]

This is the best way for sure. Its still possible for there to be lots of nominees.

[rusticgal]

Head to head has already given us 1 fantastic result this seriesr


....and it's going to give us another...Bye Chloe :sleep:

[Headie]

They arent at all predictable lol, thats probably why theyre adored.

We probably get about 2 unpredictable head to heads per series if we're lucky.

[Headie]

Mess if they'd used this format in the last summer series then the first eviction (based off noms - not the silly members club thingy) would've been Sarah vs Chad :skull: and the series before would've seen Jedward vs Kim mid-series :skull:

[tiger_greengrass]

Whether you like or dislike the evictees you can't deny it's made for very predictable eviction nights. The 2nd eviction hasn't even happened yet and yet we're all talking about is as a foregone conclusion because it's just so obviously predictable :joker:

I don't agree, the first one could've went either way.

[rusticgal]

Face to face will surely happen...:laugh:

[Withano]

We probably get about 2 unpredictable head to heads per series if we're lucky.

I couldnt predict the last one or this one, so its already 2 for 2 haha.

I think the reason to dislike it could be ‘the big characters are more likely to go’, but ‘predictable’ just isnt a reason really.

[NotARylanFan]

Never been a fan of head-to-heads tbh.

I actually much preferred the way BBAU did things - it was always the three with the most votes, with extras being added if there was a tie for third place. It kept things interesting as it wasn't an either/or situation - plus it made the result less obvious if there was going to be a clear winner with the most votes to save.

[BBDodge]

The big problem with just 2 up is where the house has split into teams (insiders/outsiders; cool gang/uncool gang, etc.).

The bigger team block votes (after a bit of unsubtle hinting) and puts up two of the smaller group every week until only one remains.

[GoldHeart]

So it's always going to be head to head ? .
I'm curious how things would of gone if Roxy was up as well

[Cal.]

Mess if they'd used this format in the last summer series then the first eviction (based off noms - not the silly members club thingy) would've been Sarah vs Chad :skull: and the series before would've seen Jedward vs Kim mid-series :skull:

Awful

[Jordan.]

Mess if they'd used this format in the last summer series then the first eviction (based off noms - not the silly members club thingy) would've been Sarah vs Chad :skull: and the series before would've seen Jedward vs Kim mid-series :skull:

Now I'm more mad, both of these would have been ideal.

[Scream]

I did want 2 people up each week but I can see how damaging it can be to a series. I think we need 3 up rule instead :joker:

It just needs to be consistent but we don't want nearly all the house up

[Greg!]

3 up would work but only if it was VTS

[y.winter]

I love it. It makes it more dramatic and powerful. Head to head, normally rival camps, 50% of your favourite going once they're up.

Though I do wonder if all we're going to get this series is "Hardeep vs. X", because he's going to be nominated every week until he leaves... if that happens...