This sums up why we shouldnt say Roxanne is mentally Ill

[Denver]

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[LaLaLand]

Idk I'm torn tbh. I do think there's something lacking like for her to actually try and do this (and multiple times too!)

[Rob!]

Are you just going to make a thread for every opinion from a vaguely famous person you come across?

[Denver]

Are you just going to make a thread for every opinion from a vaguely famous person you come across?

I think its a fair thing to discuss.

She clearly isnt mentally ill and it is being used as an excuse

[Glenn.]

Tbf it’s kinda right. I don’t believe she’s mentally ill at all. I think she’s just an awful person

[Jordan.]

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[Glenn.]

Not me agreeing with Helly Woo Woo

[LukeB]

Idk I'm torn tbh. I do think there's something lacking like for her to actually try and do this (and multiple times too!)

All of this is odd and her behaviour has been like shes on a soap/tv show/panto or like jo sugden may have left emmerdale but jo sugden hasn’t left her if that makes sense which is not normal behaviour so people are going to question if shes mentally ill.

[Glenn.]

The ****ing ****

[Elliot]

I tried to justify her and be fair but people like her don’t deserve mine or anyone else’s time and sympathy. Despicable person

[armand.kay]

"Mental health issues" doesn't always have to be something serious or diagnosable. Roxanne's behaviour in there was not normal and she could really do with a sit down with a therapist.

[Denver]

"Mental health issues" doesn't always have to be something serious or diagnosable. Roxanne's behaviour in there was not normal and she could really do with a sit down with a therapist.

There is unfortunately no cure for attention seeking

[LaLaLand]

All of this is odd and her behaviour has been like shes on a soap/tv show/panto or like jo sugden may have left emmerdale but jo sugden hasn’t left her if that makes sense which is not normal behaviour so people are going to question if shes mentally ill.

She's quite sociopathic.

[rusticgal]

There is unfortunately no cure for attention seeking

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[Jack_]

It became clear how calculated she was being when she told the boys and said 'don't let anyone else tell you otherwise' cause she was obviously lying. That and the fact she has a history of this and was a bully in school too

The thing that gets me though is how did she EVER think she was going to get away with this on camera? That's not normal, rational or calculated at all

[Withano]

I get her point, but i dont think we can deny its not a possibility

Some people are struggling with their mental health problems and avoid contact with people

Some people are struggling with their mental health and are ****ing charming to people

And some people are struggling with their mental health and are ****ing vile to people


The issue is people may be saying ‘oh Roxannes doing this because she has MH issues’, when really we should be saying ‘Roxanne may have MH issues, maybe she’s taking these issues out on other people’

[tiger_greengrass]

Villain queen Helen telling it how it is.

[Ant.]

I get her point, but i dont think we can deny its not a possibility

Some people are struggling with their mental health problems and avoid contact with people

Some people are struggling with their mental health and are ****ing charming to people

And some people are struggling with their mental health and are ****ing vile to people


The issue is people may be saying ‘oh Roxannes doing this because she has MH issues’, when really we should be saying ‘Roxanne may have MH issues, maybe she’s taking these issues out on other people’

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[Clootie Dumpling]

I'm no expert, but I think she may have a personality disorder - that doesn't mean to say she doesn't deliberately set out to manipulate and knows exactly what she's doing.

[armand.kay]

There is unfortunately no cure for attention seeking

I mean getting to the root of why she's an attention seeker and dealing with that might help.

[Garfie]

I'm no expert, but I think she may have a personality disorder - that doesn't mean to say she doesn't deliberately set out to manipulate and knows exactly what she's doing.

Yes, people can have a personality disorder without having a mental health issue. As a personality, she is a narcissist, hence the attention seeking, the need for everything to be about her and the willingness to put her own needs first, even if that means manipulating and/or destroying others.

She might also have some mental health issues, but her basic personality will determine whether she manages them in a constructive or destructive way, and whether she directs them out at others.

My feeling at this stage is that her behaviour is a personality issue rather than a mental health issue.

[Twosugars]

Yes, people can have a personality disorder without having a mental health issue. As a personality, she is a narcissist, hence the attention seeking, the need for everything to be about her and the willingness to put her own needs first, even if that means manipulating and/or destroying others.

She might also have some mental health issues, but her basic personality will determine whether she manages them in a constructive or destructive way, and whether she directs them out at others.

My feeling at this stage is that her behaviour is a personality issue rather than a mental health issue.

Personality disorders are mental health issues

[GoldHeart]

Personality disorders are mental health issues

Roxanne made some extreme allegations on Ryan! , that's why we have to question her state of mind! . But there's definitely a calculating side to her. She single handedly managed to manipulate and turn 4 people against Ryan :crazy:

It's like when you get criminals masterminding things in such a cunning sly way that you think it's got to be more than mental illness , there's EVIL there aswell. And it's the same with Roxanne :mad:

[puzzled]

Whether or not she has mental health issues, she is a toxic menace.

[Garfie]

Roxanne made some extreme allegations on Ryan! , that's why we have to question her state of mind! . But there's definitely a calculating side to her. She single handedly managed to manipulate and turn 4 people against Ryan :crazy:

It's like when you get criminals masterminding things in such a cunning sly way that you think it's got to be more than mental illness , there's EVIL there aswell. And it's the same with Roxanne :mad:

Exactly. Which is why serial killers and murderers can use the insanity plea if they are diagnosed as having a mental disorder, but cannot if they are regarded as having a personality disorder.

[GoldHeart]

Exactly. Which is why serial killers and murderers can use the insanity plea if they are diagnosed as having a mental disorder, but cannot if they are regarded as having a personality disorder.

I think some serial killers will pretend to have a mental illness so they can get sympathy and put in a psych unit rather than prison itself .

[LaLaLand]

So I Googled "Sociopath" and it's basically describing her time in the house:

- Superficial Charm
- Manipulative
- Grandiose Sense of Self
- Pathological Lying
- Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
- Need for Stimulation
- Impulsive Nature
- Irresponsibility

:shrug:

[GoldHeart]

So I Googled "Sociopath" and it's basically describing her time in the house:

- Superficial Charm
- Manipulative
- Grandiose Sense of Self
- Pathological Lying
- Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
- Need for Stimulation
- Impulsive Nature
- Irresponsibility

:shrug:

Pretty much sums her up

[letmein]

She’s a sociopath with narcissistic features. She can’t tell reality from fiction. These people don’t care what they have to do, who they have to destroy in order to get what they want. Everything they do is justified and they are always the victim. These are the people who are a danger to society and need to be behind bars.

[Ammi]

..what I don’t understand is how she ever thought she could have manipulated the viewers with the cameras in the house...she could distort the truth of what happened only to the housemates or try to as she did...but the viewing public were always going to know the truth of it...bizarre...

[GoldHeart]

..what I don’t understand is how she ever thought she could have manipulated the viewers with the cameras in the house...she could distort the truth of what happened only to the housemates or try to as she did...but the viewing public were always going to know the truth of it...bizarre...

Thank goodness IT WAS IN FRONT of the camera's !!! . I still wish the camera angle was closer , but i bet they didn't bother to show a closer angle as he barely made contact :facepalm: so there's literally nothing to debate.

The mind baffles how she thought she'd ever get away with this, she kept digging her hole further and futher!! . It's alarming how twisted her lies were. Especially in her last HL show!! BLOODY HELL! :shocked: .

[Garfie]

..what I don’t understand is how she ever thought she could have manipulated the viewers with the cameras in the house...she could distort the truth of what happened only to the housemates or try to as she did...but the viewing public were always going to know the truth of it...bizarre...

Very bizarre!

To me it must be one of three things:

* she acted on impulse, didn't think it through, and then felt she could not back down

* she thought if she stuck to her story and played her victim role effectively enough, she could manipulate anyone and everyone into believing her version of events

* she started to believe her own lies

The fact that so many other people have now revealed that she has falsely accused them of similar things in the past definitely seems to suggest that she somehow believes she can manipulate others into believing her stories. So, if she's been successful in manipulating others repeatedly in the past, perhaps she just became overly confident she could even do so in this situation?

Baffling really.....

[Ammi]

Very bizarre!

To me it must be one of three things:

* she acted on impulse, didn't think it through, and then felt she could not back down

* she thought if she stuck to her story and played her victim role effectively enough, she could manipulate anyone and everyone into believing her version of events

* she started to believe her own lies

The fact that so many other people have now revealed that she has falsely accused them of similar things in the past definitely seems to suggest that she somehow believes she can manipulate others into believing her stories. So, if she's been successful in manipulating others repeatedly in the past, perhaps she just became overly confident she could even do so in this situation?

Baffling really.....

..yeah I think the first one with that, Garfie...is the feeling I get..?...she wasn’t a part of a play fight, type thing...he did walk up to her as she was in the kitchen just saying something at the time...?...I don’t know whether his ring did catch her and caused any pain..?..maybe it did so there was the genuine ouch moment..but then by the time she had walked to the bedroom..she was acting out a pain in a very purposeful way is how I felt..?..and I reckon she must have thought she would be called into the DR to check if she was ok...but footage like that with her apparent pain etc..I would think..?...would have been checked within seconds or moments, you know..it’s much to serious not have been...but she wasn’t called in though...and then maybe already thinking she couldn’t back down..?...well definately going to pursue it anway...so she asked BB to call her in because then that way would have showed genuine concern from them...rather than her just go in herself...it just all manipulated into the housemates doubting Ryan if BB were calling her into the DR because they were concerned she may have been physically hurt..all very quick thinking with play punches she couldn’t have predicted happening at that moment...seize the moment Roxanne, eh...

[Garfie]

..yeah I think the first one with that, Garfie...is the feeling I get..?...she wasn’t a part of a play fight, type thing...he did walk up to her as she was in the kitchen just saying something at the time...?...I don’t know whether his ring did catch her and caused any pain..?..maybe it did so there was the genuine ouch moment..but then by the time she had walked to the bedroom..she was acting out a pain in a very purposeful way is how I felt..?..and I reckon she must have thought she would be called into the DR to check if she was ok...but footage like that with her apparent pain etc..I would think..?...would have been checked within seconds or moments, you know..it’s much to serious not have been...but she wasn’t called in though...and then maybe already thinking she couldn’t back down..?...well definately going to pursue it anway...so she asked BB to call her in because then that way would have showed genuine concern from them...rather than her just go in herself...it just all manipulated into the housemates doubting Ryan if BB were calling her into the DR because they were concerned she may have been physically hurt..all very quick thinking with play punches she couldn’t have predicted happening at that moment...seize the moment Roxanne, eh...

As I'm reading what you've said here, Ammi, I'm wondering whether it started as the first one and developed into the second one, as her lies seemed to escalate as time went on. The 'punch' became an 'assault', and multiplied from a single punch into about six punches, as just a couple of examples. The story just seemed to become more and more horrendous the more times she told it.