Ryan telling a POC they can’t talk about race

[lewis111]

And that it doesn’t matter... Feel like this needs it be discussed more
what an ignorant twat

[Mitchell]

Using the phrase “the brown card” was disturbing

[Denver]

If it was someone who wasn't loved they would be attacked

[Jase.]

Yeah...wtf

[montblanc]

awful

it was kind of uncomfortable to watch tbh

[Greg!]

I would be pissed off too if he always bloody brought it up for no reason

[Matthew.]

yeah i kinda went off him a bit just then

such a shame because i was really starting to like him a lot

[MTVN]

Yeah very out of order

Hardeep was just looking to discuss the perfectly valid topic of racism in football. Apparently that's off limits to talk about because Ryan doesn't like it :umm2:

[Elliot]

The way he worded it was bizarre, but uh I don’t think it was bad intended

[Denver]

I would be pissed off too if he always bloody brought it up for no reason

With all due respect you are a white male so you don't understand what life as a POC is

[lewis111]

I’m assuming race impacts Hardeep’s life on almost a daily basis so he has the right to discuss whenever he wants

[montblanc]

I’m assuming race impacts Hardeep’s life on almost a daily basis so he has the right to discuss whenever he wants

this

[Beso]

It explains his friendship with sally.

[Niamh.]

Isn't he mixed race himself though? But yeah either way he shouldn't be telling anyone not to talk about it

[Greg!]

With all due respect you are a white male so you don't understand what life as a POC is

Maybe not but the HMs say he always brings it up and if I was in there I could see myself getting annoyed by it. You go in BB for a laugh, not to talk about serious topics 24/7

[RileyH]

Him & Dan going in on him over it was tough to watch and I can't stand him :umm2:

[Matthew.]

Isn't he mixed race himself though?

i thought this too

[Swan]

No, wait, i don't give a **** about Ryan, he was right, brown, white, black, WE ARE ALL HUMANS! Stop bringing up race when it's not needed.

We are HUMAN BEINGS. Isn't this attitude what we strive for?

[Denver]

Maybe not but the HMs say he always brings it up and if I was in there I could see myself getting annoyed by it. You go in BB for a laugh, not to talk about serious topics 24/7

But as an Asian Male in Scotland where there are not as many POC as the rest of the UK he will clearly have daily impacts and from what has been showed he always brought it up with validation

[Black Dagger]

He's a bit of a bellend tbh, he's just winning due to the OTT reaction to Roxanne.

[LukeB]

Maybe not but the HMs say he always brings it up and if I was in there I could see myself getting annoyed by it. You go in BB for a laugh, not to talk about serious topics 24/7

Race impacts Hardeep's life though he has every right to talk about it, Ryan shouldn't be annoyed or tell him race shouldn't matter to them.

[Elliot]

Maybe not but the HMs say he always brings it up and if I was in there I could see myself getting annoyed by it. You go in BB for a laugh, not to talk about serious topics 24/7

Yeah like I kinda felt for Ryan Ik people who unironically being race into everything and sometimes it’s just gah

[Alf]

I've been told before that I'm not allowed to talk about it. So I feel Hardeep's pain.

[lewis111]

He wasn’t even like “using the race card” he was talking about race in football
That’s just the same as like talking about women in politics which was talked about a lot last season and no one was accused of using the women card

[MTVN]

He wasn't bringing race into everything though, he was asking Jermaine as a black player about his experience of racism in football. What's wrong with that? It's a pretty well discussed topic

[Elliot]

Apparently he does it all the time

Also he said Ryan couldn’t tak about it bc white (when like no and also he’s not)

[Swan]

The point of progression is to not factor in race, colour. In order to move forward we need to see past this. Every race, every Religion.

Problem is, we can't get past race, when race stops being a big deal, race will stop being a big deal.

Think about that for a moment.

[lewis111]

Race won’t stop being a big deal when people stop talking about it though, or even when people “use the race card”
It will stop being a big deal when racism no longer exists

[Elliot]

It’s more just living in a house with someone that brings up the race card 24/7 not racism as a topic

[montblanc]

Race won’t stop being a big deal when people stop talking about it though, or even when people “use the race card”
It will stop being a big deal when racism no longer exists

:clap1:

[BBDodge]

POC telling another POC...

[Epic.]

Here for him making the top 2 because of this and beating Ryan in the final vote

[GoldHeart]

He wasn't bringing race into everything though, he was asking Jermaine as a black player about his experience of racism in football. What's wrong with that? It's a pretty well discussed topic

But from what I gather Hardeep talks a lot about Race ,so it's obviously boring for the other housemates. Bare in mind we're only seeing an edited version.

[MTVN]

But from what I gather Hardeep talks a lot about Race ,so it's obviously boring for the other housemates. Bare in mind we're only seeing an edited version.

When there's nothing to do most of the day I bet they do go over the same topics sometimes, if you don't like it then just don't join in the conversation. Hardeep is very into politics and social issues, Ryan probably is not and that's fine but you shouldn't try to shut down someone like that and demean something that they are interested in by saying he's 'playing the brown card'

[lewys]

he's had one warning he deserves ejection now !! justice for rodrigo

[Cherie]

But from what I gather Hardeep talks a lot about Race ,so it's obviously boring for the other housemates. Bare in mind we're only seeing an edited version.

That is not really the point though, Hardeep was asking Jermaine about racism in football, and Ryan decided it was a no go topic of conversation, he had a go at Hardeep yesterday for doing the same thing with him and Kirstie

[Elliot]

Also yeah hardeep is one of those peolle that comes on so strong with their political opinions and I couldn’t stand living with that. Like god how pushy he was with his convo with kirstie early in the series

[Robodog]

Ryan probably means this:

Interviewer: How we gonna get rid of racism?

Morgan Freeman: Stop talking about it! I'm gonna stop calling you 'a white man' and i'm gonna ask you to stop calling me 'a black man'. I know you as Mike Wallace, you know me as Morgan Freeman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ

Basically - seeing people as individuals, not as categories. That is what non-racism looks like.

[smudgie]

Ryan probably means this:

Interviewer: How we gonna get rid of racism?

Morgan Freeman: Stop talking about it! I'm gonna stop calling you 'a white man' and i'm gonna ask you to stop calling me 'a black man'. I know you as Mike Wallace, you know me as Morgan Freeman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ

Basically - seeing people as individuals, not as categories. That is what non-racism looks like.

That just about sums it up.
Not forgetting that Ryan will have come across this issue in his own life.

[Vanessa]

That just about sums it up.
Not forgetting that Ryan will have come across this issue in his own life.

:clap1:

[chuff me dizzy]

Wow what a clever, arrogant racist pig Hardeep showed himself to be tonight, and to call Dan and Ryan KKK members !! :rant:

[Cherie]

Wow what a clever, arrogant racist pig Hardeep showed himself to be tonight, and to call Dan and Ryan KKK members !! :rant:

Have you gone off him Chuff :fan:

[GoldHeart]

Wow what a clever, arrogant racist pig Hardeep showed himself to be tonight, and to call Dan and Ryan KKK members !! :rant:

He did what !!???! :shocked:, Hardeep has lost the plot :facepalm:

[Vanessa]

Not to mention that Ryan isn't even white, he's mixed race. So Hardeep comment is ridiculous :skull:

[Cherie]

He did what !!???! :shocked:, Hardeep has lost the plot :facepalm:

He wasn't being serious, are you not watching?

[MTVN]

Wow what a clever, arrogant racist pig Hardeep showed himself to be tonight, and to call Dan and Ryan KKK members !! :rant:

Another great Hardeep quote

[Epic.]

Wow what a clever, arrogant racist pig Hardeep showed himself to be tonight, and to call Dan and Ryan KKK members !! :rant:

He was joking I thought

[chuff me dizzy]

Have you gone off him Chuff :fan:

Have I ever !! how dare he call Dan and Ryan KKK members !!

[chuff me dizzy]

He was joking I thought

Not something to joke about though is it ?

[Vanessa]

Not something to joke about though is it ?

Getting saved is going to his head.

[Robodog]

Hardeep tonight: Upset about racism

Also Hardeep tonight: (to Jermaine) 'May the Best Brown win'



:facepalm:

[Vanessa]

Hardeep tonight: Upset about racism

Also Hardeep tonight: (to Jermaine) 'May the Best Brown win'



:facepalm:

:skull:

[chuff me dizzy]

Hardeep tonight: Upset about racism

Also Hardeep tonight: (to Jermaine) 'May the Best Brown win'



:facepalm:

Did he say that ? Sweet Jesus and the orphans i must have missed that

[chuff me dizzy]

Getting saved is going to his head.

VERY much so

[Marsh.]

And that it doesn’t matter... Feel like this needs it be discussed more
what an ignorant twat

He's mixed race and therefore a "POC" himself and entitled to that opinion.

[Marsh.]

Hardeep tonight: Upset about racism

Also Hardeep tonight: (to Jermaine) 'May the Best Brown win'



:facepalm:

I don't understand. Are you suggesting he can't get upset about racism because the comment you quote was racist? I don't think it is.

[Robodog]

I don't understand. Are you suggesting he can't get upset about racism because the comment you quote was racist? I don't think it is.

Imagine the eviction announcement was dan v gabby

Imagine Dan saying to gabby 'may the best white win'

!

That's how racist that BS sounds

[GoldHeart]

He wasn't being serious, are you not watching?

I haven't watched it back yet, I'm going by posts

[tiger_greengrass]

Ryan probably means this:

Interviewer: How we gonna get rid of racism?

Morgan Freeman: Stop talking about it! I'm gonna stop calling you 'a white man' and i'm gonna ask you to stop calling me 'a black man'. I know you as Mike Wallace, you know me as Morgan Freeman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ

Basically - seeing people as individuals, not as categories. That is what non-racism looks like.

Morgan Freeman is a legend and took down SJWs

[Marsh.]

Imagine the eviction announcement was dan v gabby

Imagine Dan saying to gabby 'may the best white win'

!

That's how racist that BS sounds

You clearly have no fundamental understanding of what racism is.

Using something that has not happened as an "example" does not help any point you're trying to make.

[JoshBB]

I feel like I post this in like 90% of racism-debates I post on, but some of y'all really need to google the concept of a 'false equivalency'. That is all.

[Elliot]

Draining political debates over the guy that farts all the time ugh

[tiger_greengrass]

Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

[Denver]

Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Basically sums who how the white race has treated the black race for 100s of years

[Marsh.]

Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Which a tongue in cheek comment like "May the best brown win!" does not.

"May the best man win!"
"May the best woman win!"
"May the best blonde win!"

It's not racist, sexist or anything else.

It's merely identifying a similarity between two people going head to head.

[Robodog]

1.You clearly have no fundamental understanding of what racism is.

2.Using something that has not happened as an "example" does not help any point you're trying to make.

1. No need to be insulting.

2. Of course it helps. "Hypothetical examples" are constantly used by everyone across the world, in order to illustrate points and to put things into perspective.

[tiger_greengrass]

Which a tongue in cheek comment like "May the best brown win!" does not.

"May the best man win!"
"May the best woman win!"
"May the best blonde win!"

It's not racist, sexist or anything else.

It's merely identifying a similarity between two people going head to head.

I wasn't the one saying it was racist. I'm just putting it here for the people who:
- believe you can't be racist to white people
- overuse the term

[Marsh.]

1. No need to be insulting.

2. Of course it helps. "Hypothetical examples" are constantly used by everyone across the world, in order to illustrate points and to put things into perspective.

How was it insulting?

If you believe "May the best brown win" was a racist comment, you clearly don't know what racism is because it is not racist. It's simply factual.

[Marsh.]

I wasn't the one saying it was racist. I'm just putting it here for the people who:
- believe you can't be racist to white people
- overuse the term

I never said you did.

[Robodog]

It sounded a little moody mate, tbf. No worries tho.

I was just saying Hardeep's 'may the best brown win' was like Dan saying 'may the best white win':

!

Not exactly racist i know, but weird for him to racially categorise it like that,
especially when he'd just been complaining about racism (which is all about racial categorisation).

.

[Marsh.]

It sounded a little moody mate, tbf. No worries tho.

I was just saying Hardeep's 'may the best brown win' was like Dan saying 'may the best white win':

!

Not exactly racist i know, but weird for him to racially categorise it like that,
especially when he'd just been complaining about racism (which is all about racial categorisation).

.

They both have brown skin. He wasn't categorising anything.

Just as if he'd said "May the best man win!" wouldn't have been sexist.

I think the issue is drawing attention to simple remarks about appearance. We don't do it about hair colour.

Edit - "May the best white win!" wouldn't have been racist either.

[Northern Monkey]

Hardeep has the right to talk about race

Ryan has the right to say he’s sick of hearing about it

Nobody was right.Just a difference of opinion.

[jaxie]

Ryan is part Indian himself.

[Clootie Dumpling]

Hardeep has the right to talk about race

Ryan has the right to say he’s sick of hearing about it

Nobody was right.Just a difference of opinion.

I agree, but didn't like Ryan's dismissive attitude. It came across as bullying behaviour - shutting down the underdog, as if Hardeep's opinion were less important.

[Swan]

Hardeep has the right to talk about race

Ryan has the right to say he’s sick of hearing about it

Nobody was right.Just a difference of opinion.

BOTH were right

[GoldHeart]

I agree, but didn't like Ryan's dismissive attitude. It came across as bullying behaviour - shutting down the underdog, as if Hardeep's opinion were less important.

Hardly bullying :facepalm:

[Swan]

****ing hell it's so simple it hurts. WE ARE PEOPLE!

**** race!

Progression is EASY, lets stop over complicating it!

[Clootie Dumpling]

Hardly bullying :facepalm:

Ostracising people and belittling their views are some of the classic bulling behaviours

[armand.kay]

Hardeep tonight: Upset about racism

Also Hardeep tonight: (to Jermaine) 'May the Best Brown win'



:facepalm:

It's a bloody joke get over yourself.

[armand.kay]

I don't like Hardeep at all but I'm so glad he stood his ground. Dan and Ryan are idiots who can't handle a simple conversation about race. People who would rather put their fingers in there ears and scream "I DON'T SEE COLOUR" are part of the problem. I think people in this country should be more open to having a frank discussion about race without any judgement or name calling from either side....

[armand.kay]

Ryan probably means this:

Interviewer: How we gonna get rid of racism?

Morgan Freeman: Stop talking about it! I'm gonna stop calling you 'a white man' and i'm gonna ask you to stop calling me 'a black man'. I know you as Mike Wallace, you know me as Morgan Freeman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ

Basically - seeing people as individuals, not as categories. That is what non-racism looks like.
because just not talking about issues works right...

[Ammi]

Hardeep has the right to talk about race

Ryan has the right to say he’s sick of hearing about it

Nobody was right.Just a difference of opinion.

..yeah Ryan does have the right to say he’s sick of hearing it if that’s how he feels, NM...just as Hardeep has the right to talk about it..but I do feel it’s quite ironic of Ryan...bearing in mind the social issue that has been created with Roxanne’s actions toward him...and how that’s dominated the house and also the viewer’s attention and will most probably be his ‘winning card’...and Ryan knows that, he’s felt the full support from the public..and it’s a social issue that has had great value to be highlighted in the way it has..?...so all extremely important to discuss when it revolved around his storyline...?...but not so much when it’s a real social issue that he doesn’t feel so important or is sick to death of hearing..?...when people live racism in their daily lives but he doesn’t want to hear it or have it discussed around him etc because he personally sick of it...I guess those who experience it or have experienced it are sick of it as well...but ok, that’s fine then...he doesn’t have to be part of any discussion about it...it’s totally his choice but he can’t change the importance of it in terms of discussion and he can’t change the real impact of it on some people’s lives..(..as the impact on what Roxanne did to him has had and he’s so completely wanted to talk about that social issue...)...just because it’s not something which is happening within the house and not something which is happening to a particular housemate...yeah he has every right to say he’s sick of hearing about it but that’s a very insular mindset of ‘I’m alright Jack’...which is the very opposite of Hardeep who very much considers and discusses social issues beyond himself and his own experiences etc...it was the perfect way and opening to a discussion ...which for some reason, Ryan wanted to stifle..so yeah there is a right and a wrong with that and he was wrong completely...do we only discuss social issues if they present themselves in the house to be discussed because of a house incident or storyline...then the housemates can talk about them to death and never get sick of hearing about them...they’re very much ‘on topic then’..but not if it’s something that touches on real life experience for people...and possibly within their chosen career which Hardeep would be interested in...

...Hardeep in general is all about the social issues which has been displayed all through his time in the house...whether they’re issues that have impacted his own life or not...he thinks beyond himself and I’m liking him more and more...:love:...it must be so frustrating for him that many housemates don’t seem to want to go deep with Hardeep unless it’s something of their own experience ...either in the house or with their storm story...all about the self, all about the self etc....but Hardeep doesn’t seem to be that skin deep only...

[Ammi]

..it’s just so ironic that in the playing out before our eyes of Roxanne’s deliberate actions have highlighted something really important, which has been a positive...but what a rare thing to have it all on camera as we’ve had ..racism isn’t rare...and it’s not always on camera..and it is very real ..and discussion about it whatever the ethnicity of someone..is extremely important ...regardless of any individual person feeling sick of hearing about it...

[Ammi]

..I wonder how Ryan would feel if the public had got sick of the Roxanne/Ryan issue and storyline and he hadn’t felt their support as he has.. had they had just felt....pfffft, whatever...

[GoldHeart]

..I wonder how Ryan would feel if the public had got sick of the Roxanne/Ryan issue and storyline and he hadn’t felt their support as he has.. had they had just felt....pfffft, whatever...

That's not fair Ammi , hardly a comparison :facepalm: .

It isn't just Ryan who has said he's fed up of Hardeep talking about Race & politics in the house . Dan said it aswell and you can tell the other housemates are aswell .

Hardeep deserved to survive all 3 head to head evictions as he's an interesting housemate , however he's been annoying people aswell. And lately he's been really miserable and defensive with them.

[Ammi]

..yeah he has been annoying people, GoldHeart...lots of annoyances I think from many housemates..but tbh..for me..?...as a general..they’re not really a very deep house this year..mostly quite surface ...until a real social issue presented itself to them all..and then it became a little deeper because they were all impacted by it ...whereas Hardeep has been consitant in his deepness of his interest in social issues ..whether he’s had personal experience of or not...

[KingOfTheMods]

Ryan probably means this:

Interviewer: How we gonna get rid of racism?

Morgan Freeman: Stop talking about it! I'm gonna stop calling you 'a white man' and i'm gonna ask you to stop calling me 'a black man'. I know you as Mike Wallace, you know me as Morgan Freeman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ

Basically - seeing people as individuals, not as categories. That is what non-racism looks like.

Spot on.

[Beso]

Convo wasnt about him was it.

Im sure ryan pulled hardeep up for some similar reaction had to ryan and kirsties discussion when they were talking across hardeep...

[Cherie]

Convo wasnt about him was it.

Im sure ryan pulled hardeep up for some similar reaction had to ryan and kirsties discussion when they were talking across hardeep...

Yes he did, so he was being hypocritical

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wanted to hear what Jermaine thought, its an interesting subject so not sure why Ryan shut him down like that

[Vanessa]

I think Ryan prefers to refer to people as individuals and to by their race. Maybe that's what he meant?

[Elliot]

Honestly I think with hardeep what would do it for me is him CONSISTANTY bringing up races whether it be unprovoked heavy handed political rows or even his sub par jokes, and you know the moment you bring up race he’d go in a grump and call you racist.
I’m not a very politically strong minded person. There’s like one social political topic I care about that the Roxanne situation has provoked, but other than that I try to keep it out of conversation because it’s just so heavy and futile like I’d much rather debate philosophy or science or.. big brother. Hardeep seems like the sort of person who brings politics into EVERYTHING and I know so many people like him that I dread going out with lol especially the race thing because it’s a bit of an uncomfortable topic that I personally have no qualms with approaching but not having it be forced down my throat on a daily basis and having to walk on egg shells when I respond.
I think that’s where peolle like Ryan fall into it. Maybe race might be something that’s importsnt to hardeeps life and I’m not doubting that at all but it hasn’t regally been brought up in the big brother house and nobody has kinda sparked any reason to keep banging on about it. It kinda reminds me of last series where Courtney act wouldn’t stop going on about Ann hating gay people for like 20 episodes and I just couldn’t be around that like it’s so heavy and it just sucks the fun out of everything.
I don’t think anyone wants to forcefully shut up hardeep and telling him to stop going on about it but like idk it’s kinda socially awkward how hardeep approaches everything like even if he did want serious social change there’s 101 better ways to go about it other than forcing it down Ryan thomas’ throat

[Kazanne]

And that it doesn’t matter... Feel like this needs it be discussed more
what an ignorant twat

He didn't say they 'couldn't' he said it shouldn't be about race and it shouldn't, why bring race into everything as Hardeep does?

[Vanessa]

He didn't say they 'couldn't' he said it shouldn't be about race and it shouldn't, why bring race into everything as Hardeep does?

This! It's exactly what he meant.

[BBDodge]

I wanted to hear what Jermaine thought, its an interesting subject so not sure why Ryan shut him down like that

Not sure why Hardeep shut down 2 people who were having a conversation in the bedroom a couple of days ago, accusing them of talking over him.

If Ryan's in the room, by Hardeep's own standards, then he's part of the conversation.

[chuff me dizzy]

Could it just be a fact that they are sick to the molars of listening to him if he's throwing the race card and playing the " poor me victim: at every chance he gets? Also no one seems perturbed about the KKK dig at Dan and Ryan ,which I found to be bloody disgusting IMO he should have got a warning for that, but once again ..... Double standards :bored:

[armand.kay]

I wanted to hear what Jermaine thought, its an interesting subject so not sure why Ryan shut him down like that

I'm glad that you agree, seeing as we probably disagree on topics like this. It's disappointing to see a group of adults unable to have discussions like this because it makes them a little 'uncomfortable'

[armand.kay]

Also nobody batted an eye lid about the constant discussions about sexism and being a woman in their respective industries but a discussion about racism is too far I guess.

[Elliot]

Also nobody batted an eye lid about the constant discussions about sexism and being a woman in their respective industries but a discussion about racism is too far I guess.

Everyone Ik on Facebook who watches big brother was complaining about how political last series was lol

[tiger_greengrass]

Also nobody batted an eye lid about the constant discussions about sexism and being a woman in their respective industries but a discussion about racism is too far I guess.

Yeah I don't want either. If I wanted those types of issues I'd watch the news

[Marsh.]

Also nobody batted an eye lid about the constant discussions about sexism and being a woman in their respective industries but a discussion about racism is too far I guess.

Are you kidding? There was constant moaning about how serious and political last series got.

[armand.kay]

Are you kidding? There was constant moaning about how serious and political last series got.

Everyone Ik on Facebook who watches big brother was complaining about how political last series was lol

from what I remember the series got a lot of praise because of all the "highbrow" discussion

[armand.kay]

Like isn't the great response from last season what inspired them to tone it down a bit with all the fake drama.

[Niamh.]

Like isn't the great response from last season what inspired them to tone it down a bit with all the fake drama.

I would say so and it's much better

[Elliot]

Was last series well received? Like it was pretty bad and the only discussion I heard of it from places that don’t talk about big brother was over the whole India ginuwine thing?
I mean production wise it was better and it was nice to have a cast that had an iq that exceeded two digits but it was pretty boring lol

[Aaliyah]

Ryan is a POC also, he has every right to tell Hardeep he can't talk about race. Why make things into a massive issue? Like Ryan said, in the house it does not matter.

[Marsh.]

from what I remember the series got a lot of praise because of all the "highbrow" discussion

That doesn't mean there wasn't a great number of people who got tired of the political discussion and spent every episode complaining about it.

[armand.kay]

Was last series well received? Like it was pretty bad and the only discussion I heard of it from places that don’t talk about big brother was over the whole India ginuwine thing?
I mean production wise it was better and it was nice to have a cast that had an iq that exceeded two digits but it was pretty boring lol

Ryan is a POC also, he has every right to tell Hardeep he can't talk about race. Why make things into a massive issue? Like Ryan said, in the house it does not matter.

Ryan being a quarter Indian gives him no more legitimacy. I'm black but that doesn't give me any authority to dictate how much people can talk about racism.

[armand.kay]

That doesn't mean there wasn't a great number of people who got tired of the political discussion and spent every episode complaining about it.

Ok but from what a saw not as big of a deal was made out of it and the main instigators for the political talk were well liked. While Hardeep is getting a lot of **** for his race talk.

[Aaliyah]

Ryan being a quarter Indian gives him no more legitimacy. I'm black but that doesn't give me any authority to dictate how much people can talk about racism.

Is he really that boring that it's all he has to talk about, his race? God what a sad man he is. Dan was right what he said to him, as was Ryan.

[Marsh.]

Ok but from what a saw not as big of a deal was made out of it and the main instigators for the political talk were well liked. While Hardeep is getting a lot of **** for his race talk.

Oh Hardeep is getting a lot of **** for anything he does, I agree with you there.

There's a section of people on here that would praise everything he does as entertainment if he were a bitchy girl.

[Elliot]

Ok but from what a saw not as big of a deal was made out of it and the main instigators for the political talk were well liked. While Hardeep is getting a lot of **** for his race talk.

India had tantrums everytime they brought up women’s issues
Literally the entire house bar malika Andrew and Shane j had a fit everytime Shane brought up the lgbt stuff and how it relates to Ann
Even the people in the house were sick of it

[armand.kay]

Is he really that boring that it's all he has to talk about, his race? God what a sad man he is. Dan was right what he said to him, as was Ryan.

I don't even like the guy but from what I've seen Hardeep has offered a wider range of discussion points than Dan the moron and Ryan who's entire BB run consists of him cackling and crying.

[Tom4784]

Ryan's a twat.

[ethanjames]

hardeep is somebody who has most likely dealt with prejudice for his race and if he wants to talk about he can and should as its an important conversation to have ryan had no right to intervene and say he shouldnt it doesnt mattter if ryan is a poc or not he cannot tell someone what or what not to talk about if they have been opressed about the subject matter themselves. and as far as i can tell hardeep has barely mentioned it

[Paula D]

Ryan is a POC also, he has every right to tell Hardeep he can't talk about race. Why make things into a massive issue? Like Ryan said, in the house it does not matter.

No-one has any right to tell anyone that they "can't" talk about something.

What the hell????

[armand.kay]

India had tantrums everytime they brought up women’s issues
Literally the entire house bar malika Andrew and Shane j had a fit everytime Shane brought up the lgbt stuff and how it relates to Ann
Even the people in the house were sick of it

hmm bar india I don't really remember anyone calling them out on it. Maybe I need to rewatch the season (lol) because all I remember is the constant praise it got inside and outside for the more mature discussions.

[ethanjames]

ryan just behaved like a bit of a knob basically

[tiger_greengrass]

CBB21 was the worst series of all time

[Kazanne]

I never heard Ryan say they 'couldn't' talk about it, I am sure he said it 'shouldn't' be an issue.

[Vanessa]

I never heard Ryan say they 'couldn't' talk about it, I am sure he said it 'shouldn't' be an issue.

:clap1::clap1:

[Elliot]

It was hardeep getting defensive and condescending that halted the conversation anyway to the point where they couldn’t find a middle ground.,, as usual (btw I do love hardeep as a housemate fwiw)

[Vanessa]

I wonder if Hardeep will get in trouble for the kkk comment.

[tiger_greengrass]

I wonder if Hardeep will get in trouble for the kkk comment.

For the sake of consistency, he should. If he didn't, it would be unfair on Rod

[chuff me dizzy]

India had tantrums everytime they brought up women’s issues
Literally the entire house bar malika Andrew and Shane j had a fit everytime Shane brought up the lgbt stuff and how it relates to Ann
Even the people in the house were sick of it

BB is an entertainment show, not a platform for people with a grudge or who think they have a cross to bear

[chuff me dizzy]

For the sake of consistency, he should. If he didn't, it would be unfair on Rod

Exactly!

[Brother Leon]

I talk about race a fair bit personally. Obviously being a mixed race Male, it’s a huge part of my background and myself so it’s only normal. I have had a few white friends say things like “it’s not that deep” though and tbh I would never really expect them to understand either.