Tommy Robinson has a message for UKIP

[Crimson Dynamo]

Interesting times...


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[user104658]

Ohhh dear. Someone's let the "Free Tommy" hype go to his head.

"The name Tommy Robinson has become a symbol! It's become far more than me! It's about people all over the world who feel oppressed!"

:umm2: Little man with a messiah complex? Not that interesting LT. Tale as old as time.

[JoshBB]

oppressed by whom exactly? :joker:

[Jack_]

I have a message for Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon

































































Piss off

[user104658]

oppressed by whom exactly? :joker:

Well, 99%+ of the world's population is oppressed (to varying degrees) by a miniscule elite who hold literally all of the real power, money and influence. I'm not going to say he's wrong to say that the average person (yes, even in the west) is effectively sucking dick for scraps, but Tommy... err... he seems to be becoming a little bit deluded in considering himself a global symbol, or his methods to be the answer.

[JoshBB]

Well, 99%+ of the world's population is oppressed (to varying degrees) by a miniscule elite who hold literally all of the real power, money and influence. I'm not going to say he's wrong to say that the average person (yes, even in the west) is effectively sucking dick for scraps, but Tommy... err... he seems to be becoming a little bit deluded in considering himself a global symbol, or his methods to be the answer.

It seems to me though, that he's implying he is oppressed due to being white and/or right-wing, which just seems absurd.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have a message for Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon

































































Piss off


Omg you said his other name

Amazing

[Tom4784]

He's a professional wannabe victim that says a bunch of entry level **** and thinks he's some sort of messiah for it.

He's an utter narcissist that's only in it for himself and relies on gullible people to peddle his bull**** to. He is an utter **** of a human being.

[Brother Leon]

Imagine feeling oppressed as a White,Straight, British Male :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Imagine feeling oppressed as a White,Straight, British Male :laugh:

Imagine thinking you cant

[Jack_]

Omg you said his other name

Amazing

Omg you're baiting again

Amazing

[Crimson Dynamo]

Omg you're baiting again

Amazing

If that's all you can muster

I'd say you are worried

[Scarlett.]

A narcissistic criminal thinking he's the second coming? What's new?

[Alf]

Oh Tommy Tommy

Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Robinson

[Crimson Dynamo]

:hehe:

[Scarlett.]

Oh Tommy
You're so ****e
You're so ****e it blows my mind
Hey Tommy
Hey! Hey!
Hey Tommy!

[user104658]

It seems to me though, that he's implying he is oppressed due to being white and/or right-wing, which just seems absurd.

I think he thinks he speaks for the " 'ole of tha workin' claaars mate"

[Livia]

I think he thinks he speaks for the " 'ole of tha workin' claaars mate"

The last group of people that is obviously acceptable to rip the piss out of.

Don't you 'ave no working class in Scotland?

[Northern Monkey]

Whether he actually is or not.Tommy Robinson has been portrayed by British media as ‘far right’.
UKIP have to weigh up whether or not getting all of Robinsons supporters votes is worth taking on that label.

UKIP are pretty much dead now in this country but if we end up with a super soft Brexit they could make gains on that issue alone.
Taking TR on board may alienate alot of Brexiteers who may have been persuaded to vote for them.
A big decision.

[user104658]

Don't you 'ave no working class in Scotland?

No, everyone in Scotland is posh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No, everyone in Scotland is posh.

I cant believe you have never been to Fife :shocked:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Whether he actually is or not.Tommy Robinson has been portrayed by British media as ‘far right’.
UKIP have to weigh up whether or not getting all of Robinsons supporters votes is worth taking on that label.

UKIP are pretty much dead now in this country but if we end up with a super soft Brexit they could make gains on that issue alone.
Taking TR on board may alienate alot of Brexiteers who may have been persuaded to vote for them.
A big decision.

It would be great for the MSM as they have always wanted to prefix UKIP with Far Right anyway

[kirklancaster]

Bankers, Company Directors, even Politicians - anyone with a job - are 'Working Class'.

[user104658]

Bankers, Company Directors, even Politicians - anyone with a job - are 'Working Class'.

Well. Not by the definitions. Which are pretty out of date, to be fair.

[Livia]

Bankers, Company Directors, even Politicians - anyone with a job - are 'Working Class'.

Yes Kirk, that's right. And they don't all talk with a cockney accent and wipe their nose on their cuff.

The liberals made Tommy Robinson. The people who've decided anyone can come here, and anyone who questions that is a racist.

[Scarlett.]

If in doubt, blame the liberals!

[Crimson Dynamo]

If in doubt, blame the liberals!

that isnt a saying

:joker:

[Tom4784]

If in doubt, blame the liberals!

How dare Tommy Robinson or anyone else be held responsible for their own decisions!

[user104658]

The liberals made Tommy Robinson.

I thought it was the Muslims who ruined his childhood home and made all of his friends take heroin? That's my favourite story of his :joker: "All of my old school mates are junkies now, and it's because of MUSLIMS!"

[The Slim Reaper]

There are certainly some "interesting" posts in this thread,

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[arista]

2 Year old Thread for this Slim?

[The Slim Reaper]

2 Year old Thread for this Slim?

There are so many Tommy Robinson threads started by LT, that I just didn't know which one to pick.

[bots]

slim doing a resurrection, can 2020 get any more shocking

[Niamh.]

There are certainly some "interesting" posts in this thread,

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Truth

[Crimson Dynamo]

i dont think anyone though different in a country with 90% white people but the asian grooming gangs are real and a menace

its like saying forget about the nazis look how many Mao Zedong killed

both are horrific

[Niamh.]

i dont think anyone though different in a country with 90% white people but the asian grooming gangs are real and a menace

its like saying forget about the nazis look how many Mao Zedong killed

both are horrific

all grooming gangs are a menace though. It's like saying I know white people can kill people but those black murderers are awful, the dead person isn't less dead if it's a white guy who killed them. How about lets try stopping all grooming gangs? Maybe Prince Andrew could head that task force?

[Alf]

all grooming gangs are a menace though. It's like saying I know white people can kill people but those black murderers are awful, the dead person isn't less dead if it's a white guy who killed them. How about lets try stopping all grooming gangs? Maybe Prince Andrew could head that task force?However, if there was a sort of pandemic type of grooming Gangs, it would be wise to concentrate on eliminating that one first.

[Alf]

It’s not racist to correct a negative common misconception and report the truth. It’s the oppositeIt's the racist Guardian, you don't need to educate me on what is and isn't racist, I've been calling out racists all my life.

[The Slim Reaper]

Skin colour again, Marsh? You just can't help yourself, can you?

Tommy never had any interest in white grooming gangs though, you can't monetize peoples racism if they're the race doing the abusing. No one ever said that the Muslim world only introduced trigonometry and the guitar into the western world because they were muslim, but yet the grooming gang issue was always about their ethnicity and religion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

all grooming gangs are a menace though. It's like saying I know white people can kill people but those black murderers are awful, the dead person isn't less dead if it's a white guy who killed them. How about lets try stopping all grooming gangs? Maybe Prince Andrew could head that task force?

they are but highlighting a huge news story at the time (Rotherham) isnt a crime as the extreme left Newspaper and slim seem to be insinuating

[Alf]

Crime committed by non white people is a pandemic?

:laugh2:1,400 cases in the small town of just Rotherham, alone. "Everything is normal, nothing to see here"

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tommy never had any interest in white grooming gangs though, you can't monetize peoples racism if they're the race doing the abusing. No one ever said that the Muslim world only introduced trigonometry and the guitar into the western world because they were muslim, but yet the grooming gang issue was always about their ethnicity and religion.

sky sports TV seem to be ignoring child poverty in the UK as are the FA and only concentrating on American black politics ?


seems to be a bigger issue than one wee fella but well, are we surprised?

[The Slim Reaper]

sky sports TV seem to be ignoring child poverty in the UK as are the FA and only concentrating on American black politics ?


seems to be a bigger issue than one wee fella but well, are we surprised?

Equality for black people (and other minority groups) is a worldwide issue, not American black politics.

Pretty vacuous comparisons you've used.

[Alf]

Equality for black people (and other minority groups) is a worldwide issue, not American black politics.

Pretty vacuous comparisons you've used.White people are the minority race of the World.

[SherzyK]

White people are the minority race of the World.

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[Alf]

https://media.tenor.com/images/b21c5d195bdfd9e90b8f5ff2d09c66f3/tenor.gifIt's a fact. Whether you like it or not.

[Marsh.]

1,400 cases in the small town of just Rotherham, alone. "Everything is normal, nothing to see here"

Nobody said it's normal.

Try reading.

[SherzyK]

It's a fact. Whether you like it or not.

You’re in a country where the majority of the population is white, so stop acting like you’ve ever been oppressed in your life and stop using random statistics to push your racist views

[Crimson Dynamo]

77% of the world live in Asia and Africa

[jet]

Tommy never had any interest in white grooming gangs though, you can't monetize peoples racism if they're the race doing the abusing. No one ever said that the Muslim world only introduced trigonometry and the guitar into the western world because they were muslim, but yet the grooming gang issue was always about their ethnicity and religion.

If I remember correctly, the Rotherham etc issue was about police not investigating the grooming gangs properly for fear of being labelled as racist? ….and the men involved were targeting only little white girls. I mean if it were white men targeting exclusively little black girls then quite rightly the outcry would be as loud as well.
People do know that grooming gangs can come from any ethnicity.

The report does say:
Though some studies show a possible overrepresentation of black and Asian offenders, it is not possible to conclude this is representative of all grooming gangs.

[SherzyK]

77% of the world live in Asia and Africa

Nothing to do with the point I just made but thanks I guess

[GiRTh]

I cant see the point being made here. What does the fact that 77% people live in Asia have to do with this discussion. :conf:

[Crimson Dynamo]

I cant see the point being made here. What does the fact that 77% people live in Asia have to do with this discussion. :conf:

I would have thought bumping a 2018 thread with unrelated content would have got the thread shut but here we are..

[GiRTh]

I would have thought bumping a 2018 thread with unrelated content would have got the thread shut but here we are..Again, I dont really see what thats got to do with anything. :shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

I would have thought bumping a 2018 thread with unrelated content would have got the thread shut but here we are..

Tommy Robinson has the standing he does today because of screaming about muslim grooming gangs. So it was a relevant thread to use. I could have picked one of a number of pro-tommy threads made.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Again, I dont really see what thats got to do with anything. :shrug:

then iam not sure why you are here posting tbh :shrug:

[GiRTh]

I'm posting because its a good article. Dont you think? Very thought provoking

[Crimson Dynamo]

Tommy Robinson has the standing he does today because of screaming about muslim grooming gangs. So it was a relevant thread to use. I could have picked one of a number of pro-tommy threads made.

just make a new thread as your post was not about TR it was an article from the hard left guardian newspaper

it confuses members as witness above:shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

just make a new thread as your post was not about TR it was an article from the hard left guardian newspaper

it confuses members as witness above:shrug:

I wanted to use a Tommy thread because it is relevant to his message.

[GiRTh]

I wanted to use a Tommy thread because it is relevant to his message.Nice one, its a fascinating article,.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wanted to use a Tommy thread because it is relevant to his message.

There is no message as the video does not work so you did not even watch it

:thumbs:

[The Slim Reaper]

There is no message as the video does not work so you did not even watch it

:thumbs:

Anything not to discuss tommy or the grooming gangs issue. You've made a lot of posts in this thread today, not many of relevance though, but if you'd like to have a conversation about tommy, race, and grooming gangs, I'm all in. Always interested in debating the issues with you, LT, it's just a shame we never get your actual opinions on anything, really ever.

[user104658]

There -are- cultural (or more accurately, subcultural) elements involved in the Asian community grooming gangs, though. Namely, a stereotype that working class white girls are "easy" and an idea that they have a lower "worth" than other women (i.e. they're only good for sex).

Its obviously not "because of their race" but it does have roots in cultural ideas and stereotypes.

Does that justify anti-Muslim crusades like Tommo's or further stereotyping and racism? No, obviously not, but being blinkered to it is a mistake and acknowledging it (especially WITHIN those communities) is an essential part in changing those outlooks. Being blinkered or pretending that it isn't a thing helps no one.

Now... Does that mean there aren't plenty of OTHER varieties of grooming gang? Of course not - there is of course the very obvious "wealthy white bloke" style of grooming gang amongst others, but the way each operates and the root indoctrinations that lead people (both perps and victims) are slightly different and need to be tackled from different angles.

Wish we could get away from both the agenda-driven rhetoric and the incredulous pearl clutching and just take a look at the facts for a change, in all honesty. Asian grooming gangs are a thing. Aspects of young Asian male subculture are a huge part of that thing. We shouldn't ignore it.

[The Slim Reaper]

There -are- cultural (or more accurately, subcultural) elements involved in the Asian community grooming gangs, though. Namely, a stereotype that working class white girls are "easy" and an idea that they have a lower "worth" than other women (i.e. they're only good for sex).

Its obviously not "because of their race" but it does have roots in cultural ideas and stereotypes.

Does that justify anti-Muslim crusades like Tommo's or further stereotyping and racism? No, obviously not, but being blinkered to it is a mistake and acknowledging it (especially WITHIN those communities) is an essential part in changing those outlooks. Being blinkered or pretending that it isn't a thing helps no one.

Now... Does that mean there aren't plenty of OTHER varieties of grooming gang? Of course not - there is of course the very obvious "wealthy white bloke" style of grooming gang amongst others, but the way each operates and the root indoctrinations that lead people (both perps and victims) are slightly different and need to be tackled from different angles.

Wish we could get away from both the agenda-driven rhetoric and the incredulous pearl clutching and just take a look at the facts for a change, in all honesty. Asian grooming gangs are a thing. Aspects of young Asian male subculture are a huge part of that thing. We shouldn't ignore it.


Posting an article with the facts, seems to be exactly what you were calling for.

No one said that Asian grooming gangs weren't a thing (to my knowledge - but could be wrong), but for me personally, the weaponisation of Asian grooming gangs wasn't on the level. Anyone ever see Tommy outside Prince Andrews home and being supported financially because of his anti-epstein rhetoric? I don't think it's an agenda vs pearl clutching issue. I think it's an agenda vs the facts issue.