Teacher accused of sex with schoolboy says claims are like a 'weird porn film'

[michael21]

https://news.sky.com/story/teacher-accused-of-sex-with-schoolboy-says-claims-are-like-a-weird-porn-film-11517350

She going to jail :cheer2:

[montblanc]

she's full of ****e

[Crimson Dynamo]

And all the holidays

[michael21]

The kid must have sh it parents

[bots]

she doesnt appear to be entirely stable

[michael21]

she doesnt appear to be entirely stable

I agree she should not be allowed near kids

[Oliver_W]

Even if she didn't have any sexual contact with him, the fact she provably spoke to him multiple times via phone shows she's not suitable to work with kids - yes, be chatty and cordial to those without friends, let them eat lunch in the class if you're in there and they're lonely etc, but to think of them as actual friends is just weird. Even if she's found 'innocent' she should be barred from working with children, in my opinion.
I think she's guilty as hell, and manipulated a vulnerable child.

[michael21]

Even if she didn't have any sexual contact with him, the fact she provably spoke to him multiple times via phone shows she's not suitable to work with kids - yes, be chatty and cordial to those without friends, let them eat lunch in the class if you're in there and they're lonely etc, but to think of them as actual friends is just weird. Even if she's found 'innocent' she should be barred from working with children, in my opinion.
I think she's guilty as hell, and manipulated a vulnerable child.

She had no friends

Good she evil

[Livia]

I'm worried about the course all this is taking. The trial isn't even over and you've all made up your mind she's either weird or guilty or both.

Hope no one on here is ever wrongly arrested.

[Livia]

She had no friends

Good she evil


I miss the OLD serious debates.

[Livia]

Even if she didn't have any sexual contact with him, the fact she provably spoke to him multiple times via phone shows she's not suitable to work with kids - yes, be chatty and cordial to those without friends, let them eat lunch in the class if you're in there and they're lonely etc, but to think of them as actual friends is just weird. Even if she's found 'innocent' she should be barred from working with children, in my opinion.
I think she's guilty as hell, and manipulated a vulnerable child.

No one is ever found "innocent". And that's quite a skill, Oliver, to be able to reach a verdict based on so little.

If she is found not guilty, what legislation are you going to use to stop her working with kids?

Better wait till the trial is over.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"During the seven months after the school trip there were 339 contacts between the two on the boy's mobile phone, which consisted of 295 text messages, 23 calls, 13 calls that went straight to answer phone and eight multimedia messages."

whether she shagged him or not

that is unacceptable

[Livia]

"During the seven months after the school trip there were 339 contacts between the two on the boy's mobile phone, which consisted of 295 text messages, 23 calls, 13 calls that went straight to answer phone and eight multimedia messages."

whether she shagged him or not

that is unacceptable

What was the nature of the texts? Until we know, I couldn't comment.

[Niamh.]

"During the seven months after the school trip there were 339 contacts between the two on the boy's mobile phone, which consisted of 295 text messages, 23 calls, 13 calls that went straight to answer phone and eight multimedia messages."

whether she shagged him or not

that is unacceptable

Yeah have to agree with that. I would be out for her blood if that was my son. It's particularly bad when it's a teacher, you're supposed to feel like your kids are safe when they're at school

[Livia]

Yeah have to agree with that. I would be out for her blood if that was my son. It's particularly bad when it's a teacher, you're supposed to feel like your kids are safe when they're at school
She sounds like a bloody fool. I'm not sure that makes her guilty.

[Niamh.]

She sounds like a bloody fool. I'm not sure that makes her guilty.

She sounds like she over stepped the boundries atleast from the information that's actually fact and certainly crossed the line of professional conduct towards a student. I would be extremely uncomfortable with that kind of contact between one of my kids and their teacher

[Livia]

She sounds like she over stepped the boundries atleast from the information that's actually fact and certainly crossed the line of professional conduct towards a student. I would be extremely uncomfortable with that kind of contact between one of my kids and their teacher

I still think we're getting the edited and salacious highlights. I'd be very interested to hear from the boy and also his parents. How old is he? Do we know?

Anyhoo, I'll be very interested to see the verdict.

[Oliver_W]

What was the nature of the texts? Until we know, I couldn't comment.

Doesn't matter. There are boundaries in place for adults who work with children, and whatever the content of the texts, be it flirting or merely talking about Emmerdale, it's inappropriate.

[Niamh.]

Doesn't matter. There are boundaries in place for adults who work with children, and whatever the content of the texts, be it flirting or merely talking about Emmerdale, it's inappropriate.

Exactly. Also, teachers, I'm sure are aware of all this, if they were texting about some sort of a problem he was having, I'm pretty sure she would have had to make someone aware of the contact between them, her principal or someone. Just so it's all being noted and is above board

[Redway]

She had no friends

Good she evil

LMAO.

[Babayaro.]

6"2??

:eyes:

[Crimson Dynamo]

6"2??

:eyes:

and in a Airline toilet? :eyes:

[Niamh.]

and in a Airline toilet? :eyes:

Case closed? :laugh:

[Babayaro.]

and in a Airline toilet? :eyes:

Nnn

Could've been a blowy?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nnn

Could've been a blowy?

No the accusation is full blown intercourse

[Babayaro.]

No the accusation is full blown intercourse

:hehe:

[Nicky91]

this is gross, poor children who had this vile woman as their teacher

[Crimson Dynamo]

to be fair when I was 16 all I could think about was banging the hot teachers

[Babayaro.]

This reminds me


I swear I saw a pedo music teacher from my school in home bargains yesterday

[Oliver_W]

This reminds me


I swear I saw a pedo music teacher from my school in home bargains yesterday
Was he actually though?

[Babayaro.]

Was he actually though?

Yes he was literally jailed

[Crimson Dynamo]

bound to be a PE teacher

[Oliver_W]

Yes he was literally jailed

Scumbag

[Marsh.]

What was the nature of the texts? Until we know, I couldn't comment.

Tbh, the nature of the texts doesn't matter. It's not appropriate for a teacher to have such personal contact with a pupil. One of the more obvious reasons being protecting herself from such accusations as this. Calling the pupil a "friend" is overstepping the boundaries of a teacher/pupil relationship.

[Marsh.]

Exactly. Also, teachers, I'm sure are aware of all this, if they were texting about some sort of a problem he was having, I'm pretty sure she would have had to make someone aware of the contact between them, her principal or someone. Just so it's all being noted and is above board

Even then it wouldn't be allowed and she'd be advised to keep the contact during school hours, at school and verbal. Not this personal exchange of phone numbers.

Most schools now, the teachers aren't even allowed to add the parents on Facebook/Twitter, never mind the kids. Which is fair enough, it can get in the way of the professional boundaries.

[Livia]

Doesn't matter. There are boundaries in place for adults who work with children, and whatever the content of the texts, be it flirting or merely talking about Emmerdale, it's inappropriate.

Niamh said she would be worried if it was one of her kids. The trouble is, not all mothers are like Niamh; if they were, I'd have nothing more to say.

What if the texts weren't discussing school nor soaps... what if he was saying, "I want to kill myself"? or "My father is abusing me and I'm afraid to speak to anyone officially". We don't know the context of any of this.

I'm not saying this woman is innocent, I'm saying none of us can come to a conclusion on so little evidence. So I'll be interested to hear more about it and eventually know the verdict.

[Livia]

Tbh, the nature of the texts doesn't matter. It's not appropriate for a teacher to have such personal contact with a pupil. One of the more obvious reasons being protecting herself from such accusations as this. Calling the pupil a "friend" is overstepping the boundaries of a teacher/pupil relationship.

See my post above, Marshy x

[Marsh.]

What if the texts weren't discussing school nor soaps... what if he was saying, "I want to kill myself"? or "My father is abusing me and I'm afraid to speak to anyone officially". We don't know the context of any of this.

There are procedures for things like this and there would be a record of her discussing this with a senior colleague at the school, surely?

Thing is, such discussions about things like that would have had to have started in school and face-to-face before the exchange of numbers. No professional teacher's response to a child confiding in them about suicidal thoughts or abuse at home would be to give them their personal mobile number. There is no context for it to be appropriate for a teacher to give a child their personal contact information.

Unless said characters are main characters in Waterloo Road that is. :hehe:

[Livia]

There are procedures for things like this and there would be a record of her discussing this with a senior colleague at the school, surely?

Thing is, such discussions about things like that would have had to have started in school and face-to-face before the exchange of numbers. No professional teacher's response to a child confiding in them about suicidal thoughts or abuse at home would be to give them their personal mobile number. There is no context for it to be appropriate for a teacher to give a child their personal contact information.

Unless said characters are main characters in Waterloo Road that is. :hehe:

Maybe it did start in school face to face. Maybe she wrongly assumed she could help him and didn't want to break his confidence. Maybe she gave him her number so he had someone to turn to. I can't find someone guilty without knowing ALL the facts and extenuating circumstances.

Or.... There may be no extenuating circumstances and she's a monster, preying on young boys. We don't know.

That's all I'm saying. If we could reach a watertight conclusion by reading an edited article, I could have save myself about four or five years of study.

That's all I'm saying, Marshy.

[Marsh.]

Maybe it did start in school face to face. Maybe she wrongly assumed she could help him and didn't want to break his confidence. Maybe she gave him her number so he had someone to turn to. I can't find someone guilty without knowing ALL the facts and extenuating circumstances.

Or.... There may be no extenuating circumstances and she's a monster, preying on young boys. We don't know.

That's all I'm saying. If we could reach a watertight conclusion by reading an edited article, I could have save myself about four or five years of study.

That's all I'm saying, Marshy.

No, hang on. I'm not saying this is evidence that she's a monster or a molester or anything of the sort. I'm saying even WITHOUT any inappropriate sexual relationship, even if it was a perfectly ordinary exchange of messages, it is not appropriate and crosses the boundaries of a teacher/pupil relationship.

There are no extenuating circumstances. Not one.

There's a difference between not breaking his confidence, and giving him your personal contact information. Any sane person knows that.

[Niamh.]

Even then it wouldn't be allowed and she'd be advised to keep the contact during school hours, at school and verbal. Not this personal exchange of phone numbers.

Most schools now, the teachers aren't even allowed to add the parents on Facebook/Twitter, never mind the kids. Which is fair enough, it can get in the way of the professional boundaries.

Yeah you're probably right, as you said both for the pupils and teachers sakes and safety

[Livia]

No, hang on. I'm not saying this is evidence that she's a monster or a molester or anything of the sort. I'm saying even WITHOUT any inappropriate sexual relationship, even if it was a perfectly ordinary exchange of messages, it is not appropriate and crosses the boundaries of a teacher/pupil relationship.

There are no extenuating circumstances. Not one.

There's a difference between not breaking his confidence, and giving him your personal contact information. Any sane person knows that.

And presumably, I'm not a sane person?

This whole thread is people reaching a verdict before the trial is over and after reading one article.

[Marsh.]

And presumably, I'm not a sane person?

This whole thread is people reaching a verdict before the trial is over and after reading one article.

Erm... no.... the teacher giving a pupil her mobile number. The person we're discussing. :umm2:

No it isn't. The trial is about the accused and an alleged sexual affair. I haven't presumed to know the facts on that nor what the verdict should or shouldn't be.

What I have done, is given my opinion on the facts we do know. Mainly, there are no circumstances where it is appropriate for a teacher and a pupil to be exchanging 295 text messages and 23 phone calls. If anything, the fact she is now up in court provides one of the reasons those boundaries exist, to protect herself from accusations of misconduct.

[Livia]

Erm... no.... the teacher giving a pupil her mobile number. The person we're discussing. :umm2:

No it isn't. The trial is about the accused and an alleged sexual affair. I haven't presumed to know the facts on that nor what the verdict should or shouldn't be.

What I have done, is given my opinion on the facts we do know. Mainly, there are no circumstances where it is appropriate for a teacher and a pupil to be exchanging 295 text messages and 23 phone calls. If anything, the fact she is now up in court provides one of the reasons those boundaries exist, to protect herself from accusations of misconduct.

Well, we'll see, won't we, as the trial continues. If all she's guilty of is a flurry of messages, that's one thing. If she's actually committed a sexual offence well, that's quite another thing.

In the meantime people can crack on calling her evil etc.

[Marsh.]

Well, we'll see, won't we, as the trial continues. If all she's guilty of is a flurry of messages, that's one thing. If she's actually committed a sexual offence well, that's quite another thing.

In the meantime people can crack on calling her evil etc.

Well, obviously, one is much worse than the other and carries, rightly so, a much higher cost. I wasn't suggesting the woman should be locked up for text messages.

I'm just pointing out even without the sexual offences, she did cross the line and at the very least should call her ability to do her job properly into question.

[Oliver_W]

Niamh said she would be worried if it was one of her kids. The trouble is, not all mothers are like Niamh; if they were, I'd have nothing more to say.

What if the texts weren't discussing school nor soaps... what if he was saying, "I want to kill myself"? or "My father is abusing me and I'm afraid to speak to anyone officially". We don't know the context of any of this.


If a teacher has any reason to believe a pupil is in danger or being abused, they are obligated to go straight to the school's safeguarding officer, who is either trained to handle the situation, or knows which member of staff or external agency to refer to.
What a teacher should not do is try to handle the situation themselves, especially over electronic messages outside of the school.

ETA: and no, a pupil saying "my dad touches me, but don't tell anyone" does not mean the teacher can keep it secret. Any kind of abuse or threat to personal safety is to be reported immediately to the safeguarding officer. A teacher trying to sort out the issue themself or even discussing it with the pupil shows they don't know what they are doing, and risks escalating the situation.

[Livia]

If a teacher has any reason to believe a pupil is in danger or being abused, they are obligated to go straight to the school's safeguarding officer, who is either trained to handle the situation, or knows which member of staff or external agency to refer to.
What a teacher should not do is try to handle the situation themselves, especially over electronic messages outside of the school.

ETA: and no, a pupil saying "my dad touches me, but don't tell anyone" does not mean the teacher can keep it secret. Any kind of abuse or threat to personal safety is to be reported immediately to the safeguarding officer. A teacher trying to sort out the issue themself or even discussing it with the pupil shows they don't know what they are doing, and risks escalating the situation.

Yes, I understand all that. But have a look at some of the posts... she's evil... she should be locked up... and maybe she should. But until we know all the facts no one can reach a conclusion. No one follows all the rules all the time because humans can be stupid. They can also be calculating and dangerous. It's for the court to decide which one applies to this woman.

[Oliver_W]

Yes, I understand all that. But have a look at some of the posts... she's evil... she should be locked up... and maybe she should. But until we know all the facts no one can reach a conclusion. No one follows all the rules all the time because humans can be stupid. They can also be calculating and dangerous. It's for the court to decide which one applies to this woman.

The best thing that can be said without contradiction is she's stupid, possibly not suitable to work with kids, and the best case scenario would be fired from her current job and not be allowed to take another teaching post until she's done some retraining.

[Livia]

The best thing that can be said without contradiction is she's stupid, possibly not suitable to work with kids, and the best case scenario would be fired from her current job and not be allowed to take another teaching post until she's done some retraining.

Agreed... unless something unlikely comes to light. I do hate people baying for blood before they know all the facts, though. Not accusing you (or even Marshy) of that, for clarity.

[michael21]

I'm worried about the course all this is taking. The trial isn't even over and you've all made up your mind she's either weird or guilty or both.

Hope no one on here is ever wrongly arrested.

Getting arrested is one thing going to count mean the cps must have evidences if not then it would of been chuck out

[Vicky.]

Even if there was no sexual contact, whatever their relationship was, it was ****ing inappropriate for between a teacher and a school kid. Confiding in them for having an abortion, a ridiculous amount of texts, and so on. Shes not fit to work with kids, and thats before even thinking of the alleged sexual stuff.

[Livia]

Getting arrested is one thing going to count mean the cps must have evidences if not then it would of been chuck out

You understand that you're innocent until a court proves you guilty, right?

[michael21]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/eleanor-wilson-trial-new-witness-13383119

She has seduces the witness no less :fist::nono::bawling: