Am I in the wrong?

[Greg!]

So I woke up this morning to 9 missed calls from my manager. She changed the rota on Thursday and it says I have to work today from 6am to 2pm but originally I was off today. I can't come in anyway as I've arranged for meetings with tutors at uni. I check my emails every day but I must have missed it at the time as I'm only human! I feel really guilty for my colleagues so I copied them into a big massive sweaty apology to my manager so hopefully she feels bad for me and doesn't sack me lol.

But like at the end of the day I don't think I'm that much in the wrong? Like sorry I have a life and I'm not checking my emails vigorously 24/7 and I'm certainly not expecting a rota for the month that was 'finalised' almost 2 months ago to suddenly change. I didn't reply to her email about the changed rota so that gives her a clue I've not seen it and if she was that bloody desperate for staff she could've just phoned me.

[Greg!]

Basically gals I'm scared I'm going to get sacked

[Morgan.]

So I woke up this morning to 9 missed calls from my manager. She changed the rota on Thursday and it says I have to work today from 6am to 2pm but originally I was off today. I can't come in anyway as I've arranged for meetings with tutors at uni. I check my emails every day but I must have missed it at the time as I'm only human! I feel really guilty for my colleagues so I copied them into a big massive sweaty apology to my manager so hopefully she feels bad for me and doesn't sack me lol.

But like at the end of the day I don't think I'm that much in the wrong? Like sorry I have a life and I'm not checking my emails vigorously 24/7 and I'm certainly not expecting a rota for the month that was 'finalised' almost 2 months ago to suddenly change. I didn't reply to her email about the changed rota so that gives her a clue I've not seen it and if she was that bloody desperate for staff she could've just phoned me.

She did, 9 times :laugh:

[Morgan.]

But honestly, you're not in the wrong. She can't expect you to drop everything and work when plans have already been made and finalised months ago.

[Greg!]

She did, 9 times :laugh:

Yeah I didnt mean at 6am on the day of my shift fat. The email asked to confirm if I was available for that day and I didn't reply so she shouldn't just assume. Chick had 3 days to phone me and check

[Greg!]

But honestly, you're not in the wrong. She can't expect you to drop everything and work when plans have already been made and finalised months ago.

Exactly!! It's ridic

[Crimson Dynamo]

Of course you are in the wrong. She sent you notification of the change and you ignored it.

[Greg!]

Of course you are in the wrong. She sent you notification of the change and you ignored it.

Sorry but I was sent a 'finalised' October rota in the middle of September so I didn't know or think it would be changed. Also how can I ignore something I haven't seen and didn't know existed until now

[Jordan.]

She can't be pressed she should have asked you in person not through an email

[Greg!]

She can't be pressed she should have asked you in person not through an email

Exactly or even phoned me! She literally said "please email to confirm you are available for the updated rota" and I didn't do that so it's her own bloody fault!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sorry but I was sent a 'finalised' October rota in the middle of September so I didn't know or think it would be changed. Also how can I ignore something I haven't seen and didn't know existed until now

oh so you saw that one did you?

:idc:

[Greg!]

well obvs, and it was sent at the usual time of the month with plenty of notice

[Crimson Dynamo]

well obvs

then its your fault

[Greg!]

then its your fault

How do you work that one out then

[Greg!]

Oh and the difference is she's actually told me in person about it as well :angel:

[Crimson Dynamo]

How do you work that one out then

she sent an email to update you, if you miss that its your fault. I expect your inbox is not cleared and organised daily and it probably a mess of undeleted and unorganised emails

If you missed the email its your fault. I expect if she called you and you missed the call you would be moaning that "normally I get an email"


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[Greg!]

she sent an email to update you, if you miss that its your fault. I expect your inbox is not cleared and organised daily and it probably a mess of undeleted and unorganised emails

If you missed the email its your fault. I expect if she called you and you missed the call you would be moaning that "normally I get an email"


?

If she called or texted me there wouldn't be an issue as I get notifications and that's how people tend to talk to eachother in 2018

[Cal.]

I’d have rung you after the first day of no reply to the email. The blame lies with her!

[Crimson Dynamo]

I’d have rung you after the first day of no reply to the email. The blame lies with her!

Any minute now we will be getting


"if it were me I would have come round your gaff and spoke to you in person and offered to work your shift, the lazy cow, what kind of boss is she"


:idc:

[Crimson Dynamo]

If she called or texted me there wouldn't be an issue as I get notifications and that's how people tend to talk to eachother in 2018

not in business

stop blame shifting

[Matthew.]

you’re not in the wrong, and idk if you’re just playing along with what LT is saying, but he’s just trying to wind you up

[arista]

Sorry but I was sent a 'finalised' October rota in the middle of September so I didn't know or think it would be changed. Also how can I ignore something I haven't seen and didn't know existed until now


Can you not Demand your Manager to Phone you?
if your rota changes etc.

[Cherie]

She should have followed up when she got no response to the email, if she was a good manager she would have checked that the email didn't go astray and follow up with a telephone call

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Nah they are in the wrong... They should have confirmed it with you.

Something similar happened to me the other month where they put the new rota up on Thursday like usually and I took a photo of that one unaware they changed it the next day and one of the fridays off i had was changed to a morning shift. I made plans on that Friday morning but only saw the extra a week before. I went in the office and told her the problem and showed her on my phone the picture of the rota i took.... She got a bit funny saying that it says on the rota that it was displayed on the fridays date. In the end she let me off and found cover

[Greg!]

you’re not in the wrong, and idk if you’re just playing along with what LT is saying, but he’s just trying to wind you up

I know he is babes but it just got me riled cos I was v stressed at the time!

[Greg!]

Thank you gorgeous ladies for reassuring me. If she tries getting sassy or take disciplinary action I'll know exactly what to say in my defence!

[Denver]

If your contract say your rota can be changed then you have no leg to stand on

[Crimson Dynamo]

I feel sorry for the manager if that is your attitude, i really do

[Greg!]

If your contract say your rota can be changed then you have no leg to stand on

"An employer should give an employee who works an irregular shift pattern reasonable notice of their hours. Normally this would be included in the contract of employment and the standard notice period is around 7 days."

It was only 3 days notice. Fair enough if I said I could do it but I didnt.

[Denver]

"An employer should give an employee who works an irregular shift pattern reasonable notice of their hours. Normally this would be included in the contract of employment and the standard notice period is around 7 days."

It was only 3 days notice. Fair enough if I said I could do it but I didnt.

Is that from your contract? My employer can change it without permission up to the end of day on the sunday before

[Babayaro.]

Where do you work?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ruth Davidson's PA

[Greg!]

Ruth Davidson's PA

Hmm absolutely NOT! Would never betray nicola queen of Scots

And Marc I'm a lifeguard (ikr what a scream lol). I'm supposed to be the only one on which is why I feel so guilty/stressed cos some random from reception is having to cover for me hehe!

[bots]

i think you should offer to resign, it's the only course of action to take for missing/trashing the email

[Scarlett.]

Of course you are in the wrong. She sent you notification of the change and you ignored it.

I mean she clearly had the number, why didn't she ring him to notify him of the shift change instead of sending an email, calling him would have ensured he got the message, even sending a text would have been a better choice.

[Vicky.]

No you are absolutely not in the wrong and your manager sounds like a pain in the arse. She can't just change shifts pretty much last minute and expect people to cancel their plans that they made for a day off. And if she wanted to change the shift..she needs to ASK first which would be best in person, but on the phone is also acceptable if you haven't been in. Email would be a silly option, but ok I guess IF she did it AFTER you replied saying it was ok.

[hijaxers]

She can't be pressed she should have asked you in person not through an email

Absolutely she took it for granted and came unstuck - manage better and get things confirmed .

Its her fault entirely.

[Matthew.]

I know he is babes but it just got me riled cos I was v stressed at the time!

yeah just ignore him, he thinks he’s being funny but he isn’t doing a very good job. and regarding your boss, i’m pretty sure you won’t get into trouble. don’t worry about it

[Shaun]

I think the answer is 'yes' too, sorry

[Vicky.]

I don't see how anyone can say yes? Email is absolutely not a good way to tell people about shift changes. If people emailed me stuff short notice, I probably wouldn't get it as I only check my emails every few weeks :laugh: Surely, she should have known he didn't get it due to him not replying..at which stage she should have rang, rather than assuming it was fine.

[Shaun]

If the email was yesterday I think it'd be fair enough but there's literally 4 days notice :laugh:

[Vicky.]

Yeah, but..she didn't get a reply to the email so surely she should have rang to tell him, rather than just assume it was fine and not bother ringing til this morning D:

[Marsh.]

she sent an email to update you, if you miss that its your fault.

No it's not. It's the person who has made the changes to the rota's responsibility to get confirmation that the relevant people have been notified.


If you missed the email its your fault. I expect if she called you and you missed the call you would be moaning that "normally I get an email"


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Well I imagine any manager with a single bit of common sense would leave a voicemail and a request to be called back which, if it doesn't happen, is a pretty big indicator the person is not aware of any changes.

[Marsh.]

If your contract say your rota can be changed then you have no leg to stand on

The issue isn't the rota being changed, it's the procedure with which these changes are made.

A manager changing a rota and not bothering to make sure her staff are aware of said changes has no leg to stand on.

[Vicky.]

The issue isn't the rota being changed, it's the procedure with which these changes are made.

A manager changing a rota and not bothering to make sure her staff are aware of said changes has no leg to stand on.

Especially when the rotas are done 2 months in advance tbh. You cannot do the rotas that far in advance and then expect people to change their plans on a couple of days notice, ontop of this not actually speak to them to check its ok, just assume it is. She took for advantage that you would drop everything to cover a shift of someone else who decided they wanted the day off. It sounds like. I would be tempted to if she goes off on one about it, say she should have done it herself. Given from my experience, managers do **** all. Indeed when I was promoted to superviser the first thing I was told was that there is not much work to do and you can just sit in the 'office' (this was in burger King so there was not an office as such, just a pokey little room )

[Marsh.]

If the email was yesterday I think it'd be fair enough but there's literally 4 days notice :laugh:

But he hasn't had 4 days notice since he didn't see the email?

At our place a verbal exchange must be made with any last minute changes to make sure people are aware, whether over the phone or in person.

[Vicky.]

At our place a verbal exchange must be made with any last minute changes to make sure people are aware, whether over the phone or in person.

And if the answer is no, that should be accepted too. Rather than you being bitched at none stop about it.

[Marsh.]

And if the answer is no, that should be accepted too. Rather than you being bitched at none stop about it.

Oh yeah, definitely. At ours if a rota is changed or they need to switch shifts around with less than two weeks notice then they need to actually get the permission from everyone affected and they're within their right to decline as they've already made plans around the original rota.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This isnt Unilever its a swimming pool and i take it its a line manager on like 17K a year?


lol

[Vicky.]

Makes no difference where it is, managers should actually get confirmation that people can cover shifts on their day off :shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Makes no difference where it is, managers should actually get confirmation that people can cover shifts on their day off :shrug:

its probably a 22 year old girl who does not know her arse from her elbow and has never been trained in anything in her life?

I am sure that she will now realise that if she does not hear back from an email she better call or message, especially with staff who are difficult..

all part of life's great adventure

:spin:

[Vicky.]

its probably a 22 year old girl who does not know her arse from her elbow and has never been trained in anything in her life?

I am sure that she will now realise that if she does not hear back from an email she better call or message, especially with staff who are difficult..

all part of life's great adventure

:spin:

Hopefully. Surely thats one of the first bloody things you get told. Though maybe, whoever trained her, would think that it goes without saying that if you want someone to work on their day off...you need to actually speak to them about it :D

[Crimson Dynamo]

id put Greg on fishing out tampons and plasters from the filter duty for the next week, that is for sure

[Marsh.]

This isnt Unilever its a swimming pool and i take it its a line manager on like 17K a year?


lol

Well, it doesn't matter where or what the job is.

If you're giving people rotas so far in advance, you need to do your job and get confirmation when those same rotas get changed last minute.

[Marsh.]

its probably a 22 year old girl who does not know her arse from her elbow and has never been trained in anything in her life?

I am sure that she will now realise that if she does not hear back from an email she better call or message, especially with staff who are difficult..

all part of life's great adventure

:spin:

Well, if that's the case, she shouldn't have the job to begin with.

It's something you should kind of know in order to obtain the job.

BUT, such is the world. People have jobs all over the place they don't even know the first thing about.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well, if that's the case, she shouldn't have the job to begin with.

It's something you should kind of know in order to obtain the job.

BUT, such is the world. People have jobs all over the place they don't even know the first thing about.

I think Greg is just pressed because he once again had to wear the Speedo trunks that had the S worn off

[Oliver_W]

Generally managers assume that "no reply means no problem", so she wouldn't have thought you missed the email, she'd assume you read it and were okay with the changes.

I wouldn't worry about getting sacked though, unless you're new and still on probation you wouldn't get sacked for missing one shift.

[Marsh.]

Generally managers assume that "no reply means no problem", so she wouldn't have thought you missed the email, she'd assume you read it and were okay with the changes.

I wouldn't worry about getting sacked though, unless you're new and still on probation you wouldn't get sacked for missing one shift.

You know what happens when you assume? :hehe:

[Oliver_W]

You know what happens when you assume? :hehe:

Very true!

[Cherie]

all she had to do was put please confirm receipt of this email by 12 Noon on Friday then it would have been obvious the email hadn't been read and she could have picked up the phone, just laziness on her behalf, she is supposed to manager her staff, and that role comes with responsibility so it was her job to follow it up as I am sure she had a fine old time trying to cover it this morning, she wont make that mistake again