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Comedy was once what the British were known for all over the World, we were the best.
Today comedians have to be politically correct, establishment mouthpieces to get a gig on the TV.
So here's Benny Hill to show the miserable PC comedy frauds how it's done. He'd probably get reported to the Police for this in todays world.
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Scarlett.
21-10-2018, 11:39 AM
Political correctness killed my dog
Political correctness killed my dogIs nothing sacred?
Here's Likely lads Bob and Terry to show the PC ponces how it's done
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Underscore
21-10-2018, 11:51 AM
Political correctness killed my dog
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Nicky91
21-10-2018, 11:51 AM
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Here's our old mate Spike, to trigger some snowflakes!
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Twosugars
21-10-2018, 01:03 PM
Nonsense.
Frankie Boyle or Ricky Gervais aren't PC, etc
Fake news
Rigsby had your thespians worked out a long time ago!
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Nonsense.
Frankie Boyle or Ricky Gervais aren't PC, etc
Fake newsGervais has escaped to America and Boyle has toned it down and joined the PC brigade to carry on making a living.
Our old mate Lord Flashheart wouldn't be given the green light at the BBC today, somebody somewhere would be offended and we'd all have to be punished for that. Life was that little bit better when Rik Mayall was around.
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I'll save Bernard Manning for the evening.
Crimson Dynamo
21-10-2018, 02:46 PM
i watched 2 eps of Rising Damp last night as it goes. There were a couple of what would be now deemed as Racist incidents. Ironically this show was a trailblazer for racial equality.
Its still funnier than most stuff on TV now, if not all of it
Twosugars
21-10-2018, 02:51 PM
Gervais has escaped to America and Boyle has toned it down and joined the PC brigade to carry on making a living.
Gervais is back. As to Boyle have you seen his latest series on BBC2? :laugh:
You should if you think he toned it down. The opposite.
This is a false narrative. By all means hark back to the old times, that comedy is still valid and appreciated. But don't follow the lazy and untrue Daily Mail-style of thinking. As a man who likes David Lynch you can do better than that.
One LT per forum is more than enough :hehe:
arista
21-10-2018, 03:34 PM
Comedy was once what the British were known for all over the World, we were the best.
Today comedians have to be politically correct, establishment mouthpieces to get a gig on the TV.
So here's Benny Hill to show the miserable PC comedy frauds how it's done. He'd probably get reported to the Police for this in todays world.
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No Alf
its 1970 Clever comedy
Anyone who is Not Silly
can see its funny as its from 1970
long time back
Gervais is back. As to Boyle have you seen his latest series on BBC2? :laugh:
You should if you think he toned it down. The opposite.
This is a false narrative. By all means hark back to the old times, that comedy is still valid and appreciated. But don't follow the lazy and untrue Daily Mail-style of thinking. As a man who likes David Lynch you can do better than that.
One LT per forum is more than enough :hehe:No I haven't, but I'm pretty certain it'll be full of Donald Trump jokes, just like every other mainstream comedian, I'm right aren't I?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/08/frankie-boyle-is-a-cowardly-bully-and-im-ashamed-i-ever-stood-up-for-him/
armand.kay
21-10-2018, 05:30 PM
Gervais has escaped to America and Boyle has toned it down and joined the PC brigade to carry on making a living.
What a load of crap. Did you watch his latest Netflix special that was not tonned down at all and was a hit in the uk. Also what of Frankie Boyle? Not politically corect at all and yet gets a BBC special or two every year. This while "PC" had roined comedy thread is a mess to create this narrative that just because people care more about women and minorities now culture is suffering...
What a load of crap. Did you watch his latest Netflix special that was not tonned down at all and was a hit in the uk. Also what of Frankie Boyle? Not politically corect at all and yet gets a BBC special or two every year. This while "PC" had roined comedy thread is a mess to create this narrative that just because people care more about women and minorities now culture is suffering...And breathe
Twosugars
21-10-2018, 05:56 PM
No I haven't, but I'm pretty certain it'll be full of Donald Trump jokes, just like every other mainstream comedian, I'm right aren't I?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/08/frankie-boyle-is-a-cowardly-bully-and-im-ashamed-i-ever-stood-up-for-him/
Not just trump, plenty others
Spectator, gimme a break:joker:
Twosugars
21-10-2018, 05:59 PM
What a load of crap. Did you watch his latest Netflix special that was not tonned down at all and was a hit in the uk. Also what of Frankie Boyle? Not politically corect at all and yet gets a BBC special or two every year. This while "PC" had roined comedy thread is a mess to create this narrative that just because people care more about women and minorities now culture is suffering...
Armand, we're wasting our time. Let him and his prejudices be :laugh:
Armand, we're wasting our time. Let him and his prejudices be :laugh:That's the smartest thing you've said all day.
Twosugars
21-10-2018, 06:27 PM
You are a charmer
Elliot
21-10-2018, 09:45 PM
Who listens to mainstream crap anyway
Who listens to mainstream crap anywayExactly, the thing is we'd like too, but mainstream comedy is so crap that nobody watches it and we have to look for alternative things, like crappy dramas.
Comedy has definitely been affected by politics, for sure Alf, but I think that really just depends on where we see the show/performance. If it's mainstream TV or Hollywood, then yes those things are going to be filtered and certain themes will be predominent. Mainstream comedians have said as much and that there is a pressure to be at least be on the "right side" of history.
However, if the comedian is a nobody and has gone indie, then there's really no limit... though there will be financial limitations if their act is too edgy, as social media is usually the most convenient and influential mediasites, but sites have gone from being simple platforms to behaving more like publishers. This means more and more of those "platforms" are putting increasing input into what does/doesn't trend or appear on their website... and of course with the case of demonization, it affects everyone across the board.
To compare though, I don't think it is just comedy that has dropped in quality in the mainstream/Hollywood... music, drama, citcoms. Much of entertain media has seen a steady decline in quality, but that's been true for quite some time. I don't think that's largely due to politics, though that can affect the themes that become more predominent over time.
Though from your POV, it's valid to say that there is a filter that's affected your ability to enjoy shows you used to because of the stress that is now put on media to have social commentary. That's not just Hollywood/, that's really all media across the board. And depending on where the media is made, depends on the level/direction of that social commentary.
To that point, my personal feeling is mainstream content on a large scale imo is becoming more disassociated from the average person as these messages get louder and louder in order to compete for our attention. As the years have gone on, I've had to take TV/media less literally because some of it has become more of it has become parody. Particularly themes about the little man beating the bigger man or idealistic themes of heroism/man versus the machine, etc. It's all overly contrived compared to how the underlying themes used to be more subtler, rich in detail and artistry. I remember when Disney movies could cover so much territory conversation-wise and artistically speaking with nuanced story-telling. Now it is more obvious what most of the theme/goals of the story are from beginning to finish will be. It's missing the surprise.
All that said, comedy will seem to exaggerate these declines the most probably, since much of the art form involves addressing society/social commentary and taking advantage of current events to deliver a punchline on a chosen theme.
The world does seem to have lost it's humour and its not only because comedians are frightened of upsetting people (which is actually closer to the truth than political correctness) because people will just not deem anything as funny unless it is in the form of trite stupidity, which Gervais pedals all the time.
armand.kay
22-10-2018, 10:57 PM
And breathe
Don't worry hun. I'm breathing here, the oxygen is reaching my brain just fine. That seems more like a you problem however....
Marsh.
22-10-2018, 11:02 PM
And breathe
Instead of patronising someone daring to actually challenge your glib remarks, maybe actually respond to it? If not, why bother making a thread to begin with.
Without an actual discussion of it the thread just reads as "We used to be able to laugh guilt-free at racist stuff! Sad :("
Marsh.
22-10-2018, 11:03 PM
The idea that Frankie Boyle is a "comedian" is actually the funniest thing I've read in ages. :joker::joker::joker:
Withano
22-10-2018, 11:15 PM
Tbf, Alf, literally none of the videos that you shared were funny, so I think that makes it 1-0 to political correctness (even though I dont see the connection, there are far more politically incorrect shows doing well on TV atm).
Jack_
22-10-2018, 11:25 PM
The funny thing is though is that it's actually been people on right who have in the past wanted to clamp down on/ban "offensive" jokes in some people's routines. When Frankie Boyle was making jokes about the Queen's pussy and Harvey Price, the Mail went into meltdown and IIRC most of the right-wingers on this forum weren't impressed either
This narrative that lefties want to shut down or ruin comedy is actually false, especially when you consider that most comedians are on the left themselves lol
Jack_
22-10-2018, 11:26 PM
The idea that Frankie Boyle is a "comedian" is actually the funniest thing I've read in ages. :joker::joker::joker:
EXCUSE me!
Instead of patronising someone daring to actually challenge your glib remarks, maybe actually respond to it? If not, why bother making a thread to begin with.
Without an actual discussion of it the thread just reads as "We used to be able to laugh guilt-free at racist stuff! Sad :("I just made the thread as a gateway to post a Benny Hill clip because I thought it to be a very funny clip that nobody on here will have probably seen before, and to post it without building up a bit, it would probably got ignored, so I put a story around it, a story that does hold some truth.
I then decided to post a few other clips. My aim was to show how making comedy using subject matters that as a society we're afraid to talk about today, because someone might get offended, is not that bad after all and is actually more fun then the division, accusations and self censoring in which we've now evolved to.
You mentioned racist stuff right at the end of your post, but I don't believe I ever mentioned race or racist stuff in this thread, that notion came from inside your head and was brought up by you.
I do things my way, because that's the most comfortable way for me.
Twosugars
22-10-2018, 11:51 PM
what exactly are we afraid to talk about today?
Tbf, Alf, literally none of the videos that you shared were funny, so I think that makes it 1-0 to political correctness (even though I dont see the connection, there are far more politically incorrect shows doing well on TV atm).You not finding them funny doesn't surprise me at all, I don't mean that in a negative way to you. Most people under a certain age, just haven't been exposed enough to comedy from them times to get it, and have no interest in exploring it and understanding why it's funny.
As a genre it seems to me that today comedy comes behind drama, fantasy and horror amongst the younger generation, which means people ain't laughing as much anymore. The British were a nation known for its humour, but now all we seem to do is cry, and that's not good.
Marsh.
23-10-2018, 12:24 AM
I just made the thread as a gateway to post a Benny Hill clip because I thought it to be a very funny clip that nobody on here will have probably seen before, and to post it without building up a bit, it would probably got ignored, so I put a story around it, a story that does hold some truth.
I then decided to post a few other clips. My aim was to show how making comedy using subject matters that as a society we're afraid to talk about today, because someone might get offended, is not that bad after all and is actually more fun then the division, accusations and self censoring in which we've now evolved to.
You mentioned racist stuff right at the end of your post, but I don't believe I ever mentioned race or racist stuff in this thread, that notion came from inside your head and was brought up by you.
No dear, an insinuation used as an example of "political correctness" and how that overused term is used nowadays. Since you failed to expand on your comment, that's what others were left to do.
But you seem to have confirmed it was clickbait, which is against the forum rules.
Maybe a refresher course?
what exactly are we afraid to talk about today?Definitely not Christianity.
Marsh.
23-10-2018, 12:25 AM
Also, when making a thread about comedy, best include some comedy.
No dear, an insinuation used as an example of "political correctness" and how that overused term is used nowadays. Since you failed to expand on your comment, that's what others were left to do.
But you seem to have confirmed it was clickbait, which is against the forum rules.
Maybe a refresher course?Good, because rules are there to be broken and authority challenged, I'm nobody's submissive bitch and no storm trooper for the established order.
You can keep grassing me up to your masters all you want, but they'll never beat me without a fight.
Also, when making a thread about comedy, best include some comedy.You're a funny guy.
Marsh.
23-10-2018, 12:51 AM
You're a funny guy.
Funnier than those clips. :thumbs:
Marsh.
23-10-2018, 12:51 AM
Good, because rules are there to be broken and authority challenged, I'm nobody's submissive bitch and no storm trooper for the established order.
You can keep grassing me up to your masters all you want, but they'll never beat me without a fight.
"keep grassing me up" I don't know what this means.
Marsh Your first post to me started by you saying to me "Instead of patronising someone"
Your very next post to me started by you saying to me "No Dear" obviously patronising.
Why do you believe you're above the standards which you expect from everyone else?
Funnier than those clips. :thumbs:A fantasist too? to be expected I suppose.
"keep grassing me up" I don't know what this means.Telling tales to try to get another person punished.
I need to go to bed anyway, so I'll humour your argument seeking comebacks tomorrow.
Night night
Livia
23-10-2018, 10:31 AM
Look at all the people telling Alfie what's funny and what's not.
Look at all the people telling Alfie what's funny and what's not.Most of them spend their Saturday nights blubbing their eyes out over the X factor, miserable gits.
Nicky91
23-10-2018, 11:14 AM
Most of them spend their Saturday nights blubbing their eyes out over the X factor, miserable gits.
i myself also like lots of comedy, i like the shows such as Seinfeld, Two and a half men
but also we are very much traditional at watching Christmas vacation, Gremlins around Christmas each year, lots of good humour in those movies too :love:
Twosugars
23-10-2018, 11:38 AM
Definitely not Christianity.
deflecting the question, still waiting for your answer
Look at all the people telling Alfie what's funny and what's not.
not really, the old comedy which survived the test of time is still funny
but to say comedy now is pc and crap is a lazy proposition
Most of them spend their Saturday nights blubbing their eyes out over the X factor, miserable gits.
yeah, go on, more lazy generalizations
Toy Soldier
23-10-2018, 11:45 AM
There are few rules against controversial comedy; there's still plenty of it about. People make what they think will sell and that's a completely separate issue... what people find funny changes with the times, and that's something you'll just need to come to terms with... some of that old comedy just isn't that funny any more.
I love South Park which has joked about abortion, paedohilia and race within the last year. I love It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia which is far, far less PC than the clips you're posting and is still a current show. I'm definitely not offended by "non PC stuff"... but I'm sorry Alf... those clips you're posting are just boring and un-funny to me :umm2:. It's fine that they're not for you... different people find different things funny and comedy moves and changes with the times. It has very little to do with what "is and isn't allowed" now. It's not that someone couldn't make and air those shows today. It's just that not many people would tune in. The old shows themselves will remain popular because they're a product of their time and there's a nostalgia element but you couldn't make something in the same style now and expect people to tune in. It's just not relevant.
deflecting the question, still waiting for your answer
not really, the old comedy which survived the test of time is still funny
but to say comedy now is pc and crap is a lazy proposition
yeah, go on, more lazy generalizationsAre you saying generalisations are a bad thing and wrong?
Why is it a lazy proposition to say modern comedy is crap? What's lazy about it?
Toy Soldier
23-10-2018, 11:47 AM
Look at all the people telling Alfie what's funny and what's not.
But isn't it more Alf who is telling people what's funny and what's not? He's literally posting clips and saying "Look! These are funny! Everyone should find them funny! Modern comedy isn't funny!"
Comedy is purely subjective and it's great that Alf has something he finds funny and that there are others who find those things funny and can enjoy them... but it kind of has to be accepted that other people don't find those same things funny.
Toy Soldier
23-10-2018, 11:51 AM
Why is it a lazy proposition to say modern comedy is crap? What's lazy about it?
Because A) It assumes that all "modern comedy" is the same based on what you personally have seen (it isn't and there's huge variety) and also, even then, the most you can say is that you find it crap / it isn't to your taste. Again, "funny" isn't an objective thing... if something makes 2 people in a room of 100 people genuinely laugh, it's still funny to those two people :shrug:.
There are few rules against controversial comedy; there's still plenty of it about. People make what they think will sell and that's a completely separate issue... what people find funny changes with the times, and that's something you'll just need to come to terms with... some of that old comedy just isn't that funny any more.
I love South Park which has joked about abortion, paedohilia and race within the last year. I love It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia which is far, far less PC than the clips you're posting and is still a current show. I'm definitely not offended by "non PC stuff"... but I'm sorry Alf... those clips you're posting are just boring and un-funny to me :umm2:. It's fine that they're not for you... different people find different things funny and comedy moves and changes with the times. It has very little to do with what "is and isn't allowed" now. It's not that someone couldn't make and air those shows today. It's just that not many people would tune in. The old shows themselves will remain popular because they're a product of their time and there's a nostalgia element but you couldn't make something in the same style now and expect people to tune in. It's just not relevant.You say not many people would tune in to that comedy, so what type of comedy is reaching close to 10 million viewers today? You can half that if you want and tell me what type of comedy is reaching close to 5million viewers today? You can half it again if you want.
Niamh.
23-10-2018, 11:53 AM
Benny Hill was utter ****e
Toy Soldier
23-10-2018, 11:55 AM
Here's an example;
I was watching the second series of "Making A Murderer" last night. There's an episode where they've got this crash test dummy - more like a shop mannequin actually - and they've put a wig on it and doused it in blood and are trying to throw it into a car boot to recreate a blood spatter pattern. They're doing this all completely seriously and with straight faces and it's to try to recreate a real murder. I was in literal TEARS laughing at it, it's some of the best unintentional comedy I've ever seen.
Now...
I imagine the poor murdered girl's family wouldn't be particularly amused.
It's still ****ing funny to me. :shrug:
Benny Hill was utter ****eYou know what they say about Irish people though? Known for being a bit backwards
Niamh.
23-10-2018, 11:57 AM
You know what they say about Irish people though? Known for being a bit backeards
You're the one posting videos from 1970 though :hee:
Livia
23-10-2018, 11:57 AM
A sense of humour is a wonderful thing. And everyone's is different it seems. And to an extent, PC has killed-off certain parts of comedy... Alf likes what he likes... plenty of people have rocked up to tell him it's not funny when what they mean is, it's not funny to them.
Twosugars
23-10-2018, 11:58 AM
You say not many people would tune in to that comedy, so what type of comedy is reaching close to 10 million viewers today? You can half that if you want and tell me what type of comedy is reaching close to 5million viewers today? You can half it again if you want.
That's nothing to do with the quality of comedy, Alf, c'mon.
Back then people had 3 channels to choose from, they were a captive audience, there was nothing else to watch.
Current shows will never equal those viewing figures bc the choice is 100 times broader and audience accordingly dispersed
Toy Soldier
23-10-2018, 12:00 PM
You say not many people would tune in to that comedy, so what type of comedy is reaching close to 10 million viewers today? You can half that if you want and tell me what type of comedy is reaching close to 5million viewers today? You can half it again if you want.
It's not really a relevant comparison Alf; you're comparing a world that had 3 TV channels to one that has dozens (or hundreds), Netflix, Youtube and the internet in general. Families don't sit round watching the telly each evening any more... it's just not that world. I mean, you could say the exact thing about something like "Gladiators" which got 10+ million viewers on a Saturday night in it's day... because the vast majority of families had ITV on on a Saturday evening. They did a reboot that was the exact same concept, but didn't do very well because that's just not what people do, currently. Likewise all of those old family shows... Blind Date, You've Been Framed, COUNTLESS gameshows that were hugely popular and drew in millions.
You've Been Framed is a great example actually, because not many people tune in to watch it nowadays... while videos on YouTube of the exact same sorts of things get literally billions of views.
Twosugars
23-10-2018, 12:04 PM
A sense of humour is a wonderful thing. And everyone's is different it seems. And to an extent, PC has killed-off certain parts of comedy... Alf likes what he likes... plenty of people have rocked up to tell him it's not funny when what they mean is, it's not funny to them.
I'm not telling Alf some old stuff is not funny bc it is. I love Benny Hill bc I love smut. Have Rising Damp on dvd, loved it. Same with Are you being served or some Carry on stuff. Loved Bottom, monty python etc.
But to say current stuff is pc and crap? Not when League of Gentlemen exists. Don't know all of the old stuff (moved to uk when 20) but challenge anybody to show me something equally un-pc and morbidly funny as LoG that was produced in the "old days".
Liam-
23-10-2018, 12:05 PM
You say not many people would tune in to that comedy, so what type of comedy is reaching close to 10 million viewers today? You can half that if you want and tell me what type of comedy is reaching close to 5million viewers today? You can half it again if you want.
The Big Bang Theory gets about 8 million viewers a week in America apparently, that itself shows that everyone has a different sense of humour, I personally don’t see how people can find that drivel funny, but millions clearly do, so modern comedy is definitely not as bad as you claim it to be.
Toy Soldier
23-10-2018, 12:07 PM
A sense of humour is a wonderful thing. And everyone's is different it seems. And to an extent, PC has killed-off certain parts of comedy... Alf likes what he likes... plenty of people have rocked up to tell him it's not funny when what they mean is, it's not funny to them.
I agree with most of that but I guess where it gets complicated is, it's not necessarily PC that has killed it off (there is still loads of un-PC comedy around) it's just that changing times have killed the specific things he finds funny. If it's not funny to enough people for it to be worthwhile for people to make, then it won't get made, even though it's still funny for some people. It all comes down to money, more than "regulations".
That said I still honestly believe that even if they did make stuff in the same style now, Alf (and most others) would find it to be a pale imitation of the original material and not worth the time.
I do enjoy SOME old comedy (Fawlty Towers, Blackadder etc.) but again it is what it is, a captured moment in time. If they started making new ones now - even if they kept the type of jokes exactly the same - I'm pretty sure it would fall totally flat.
I'm not telling Alf some old stuff is not funny bc it is. I love Benny Hill bc I love smut. Have Rising Damp on dvd, loved it. Same with Are you being served or some Carry on stuff. Loved Bottom, monty python etc.
But to say current stuff is pc and crap? Not when League of Gentlemen exists. Don't know all of the old stuff (moved to uk when 20) but challenge anybody to show me something equally un-pc and morbidly funny as LoG that was produced in the "old days".The League of Gentlemen is 20 years old besides 3 comeback episodes which actually took the piss out of the pc culture ruining comedy.
Toy Soldier
23-10-2018, 12:10 PM
I'm not telling Alf some old stuff is not funny bc it is. I love Benny Hill bc I love smut. Have Rising Damp on dvd, loved it. Same with Are you being served or some Carry on stuff. Loved Bottom, monty python etc.
But to say current stuff is pc and crap? Not when League of Gentlemen exists. Don't know all of the old stuff (moved to uk when 20) but challenge anybody to show me something equally un-pc and morbidly funny as LoG that was produced in the "old days".
I agree and I think LoG is the best British example of "non-PC done right" (while SP and Always Sunny would be my US examples).
But also... even Ch4 stuff like The Inbetweeners, while not to everyone's tastes, really can't be accused of being "PC"...
Liam-
23-10-2018, 12:13 PM
The inbetweeners :flutter:
Your top comedian entertainers today are Mel and Sue, they tick the right boxes, who looks forward to watching them? Morecambe and Wise were as popular as Father Christmas because they made people laugh.
I'm not telling Alf some old stuff is not funny bc it is. I love Benny Hill bc I love smut. Have Rising Damp on dvd, loved it. Same with Are you being served or some Carry on stuff. Loved Bottom, monty python etc.
But to say current stuff is pc and crap? Not when League of Gentlemen exists. Don't know all of the old stuff (moved to uk when 20) but challenge anybody to show me something equally un-pc and morbidly funny as LoG that was produced in the "old days".
I agree and I think LoG is the best British example of "non-PC done right" (while SP and Always Sunny would be my US examples).
But also... even Ch4 stuff like The Inbetweeners, while not to everyone's tastes, really can't be accused of being "PC"...
...this is a local forum for local members..there’s nothing for DS people here...
Twosugars
23-10-2018, 12:18 PM
The League of Gentlemen is 20 years old besides 3 comeback episodes which actually took the piss out of the pc culture ruining comedy.
the same people did other things like inside no.9 etc
the comeback episodes actually took the piss out of the brexit britain, but I guess you'd not acknowledge that as a brexiter :laugh:
Nicky91
23-10-2018, 12:21 PM
The Big Bang Theory gets about 8 million viewers a week in America apparently, that itself shows that everyone has a different sense of humour, I personally don’t see how people can find that drivel funny, but millions clearly do, so modern comedy is definitely not as bad as you claim it to be.
i have seen that a few times, some of it's humour on there i like
The Big Bang Theory gets about 8 million viewers a week in America apparently, that itself shows that everyone has a different sense of humour, I personally don’t see how people can find that drivel funny, but millions clearly do, so modern comedy is definitely not as bad as you claim it to be.Yes the Yanks have streaked ahead of us in comedy. they have the first ammendment though which is why the writers aren't having their art surpressed.
Twosugars
23-10-2018, 12:22 PM
Your top comedian entertainers today are Mel and Sue, they tick the right boxes, who looks forward to watching them? Morecambe and Wise were as popular as Father Christmas because they made people laugh.
:facepalm:
they are not top comedians, they moved into presenting ages ago
even back when they were comedians they were not "top"
you sound like my ukip-voting "in-laws", stuck in your opinions regardless of the evidence :shrug:
:facepalm:
they are not top comedians, they moved into presenting ages ago
even back when they were comedians they were not "top"
you sound like my ukip-voting "in-laws", stuck in your opinions regardless of the evidence :shrug:And I suppose you're not stuck in your opinions?
Twosugars
23-10-2018, 12:28 PM
Try to be open-minded and admited mistakes quite a few times in convos here :shrug:
the trick is not to equate your current opinion with your ego ;) then evolving your view when confronted with valid points becomes no biggie
Try to be open-minded and admited mistakes quite a few times in convos here :shrug:
the trick is not to equate your current opinion with your ego ;) then evolving your view when confronted with valid points becomes no biggieYou talk about my ego and in the next sentence claim your points as the only ones that are valid. Are you on the wind up or what?
Twosugars
23-10-2018, 12:34 PM
I'd happily change my opinion to match yours if you produced convincing arguments.
Can you say the same?
I'd happily change my opinion to match yours if you produced convincing arguments.
Can you say the same?We'd need to experiment to prove my point. But that would end in someone being punished for not being politically correct?
I'd happily change my opinion to match yours if you produced convincing arguments.
Can you say the same?You're from Scotland right? your country tried sending a Youtube comedian to prison this year for a joke with a dog doing a Nazi salute. How is that not political correctness ruining comedy? He now has a criminal record for a joke.
Twosugars
23-10-2018, 01:08 PM
We'd need to experiment to prove my point. But that would end in someone being punished for not being politically correct?
:D
like your idea...
Twosugars
23-10-2018, 01:15 PM
You're from Scotland right? your country tried sending a Youtube comedian to prison this year for a joke with a dog doing a Nazi salute. How is that not political correctness ruining comedy? He now has a criminal record for a joke.
why do you think that? I'm based in London and I'm European (50% English, 25% Polish, 25% Jewish/Polish).
don't know the details of that business but it sounds ott
but then again with nazi jokes, have no idea what's acceptable these days
tho woody allen was allowed to crack a joke, in response to statement that 6 million Jews were killed in Holocaust, that records are made to be broken
maybe it's a bit like black people saying the n word and only jews can joke about nazis?
why do you think that? I'm based in London and I'm European (50% English, 25% Polish, 25% Jewish/Polish).
don't know the details of that business but it sounds ott
but then again with nazi jokes, have no idea what's acceptable these days
tho woody allen was allowed to crack a joke, in response to statement that 6 million Jews were killed in Holocaust, that records are made to be broken
maybe it's a bit like black people saying the n word and only jews can joke about nazis?It's about context.
The aim of comedy is to make people laugh, and people find different things funny, so everything should be acceptable when the context is to make people laugh.
Marsh.
23-10-2018, 04:48 PM
Telling tales to try to get another person punished.
Responding to you is "telling tales"?
Responding to you is "telling tales"?It must be if I said so.
Marsh.
23-10-2018, 04:50 PM
Look at all the people telling Alfie what's funny and what's not.
Other way around but you see what you want to see I guess.
Marsh.
23-10-2018, 04:52 PM
Because A) It assumes that all "modern comedy" is the same based on what you personally have seen (it isn't and there's huge variety) and also, even then, the most you can say is that you find it crap / it isn't to your taste. Again, "funny" isn't an objective thing... if something makes 2 people in a room of 100 people genuinely laugh, it's still funny to those two people :shrug:.
I feel if it isn't a studio sitcom on BBC1 or itv Alf thinks it doesn't exist.
Marsh.
23-10-2018, 04:58 PM
Your top comedian entertainers today are Mel and Sue, they tick the right boxes
Are they?
Mel and Sue are a 90s comedy act that have since ventured into more regular presenting gigs.
Most of this generation probably don't even know they're comedians and think of them as the girls who presented a baking show.
Sue made her own sitcom five years ago and it tanked after 6 episodes.
If you think Mel and Sue are the height of British comedy in 2018 you're not looking hard enough.
Marsh.
23-10-2018, 05:00 PM
Yes the Yanks have streaked ahead of us in comedy. they have the first ammendment though which is why the writers aren't having their art surpressed.
Eh? American television is some of the most sanitised and censored in the world. :joker:
Marsh.
23-10-2018, 05:03 PM
Marsh Your first post to me started by you saying to me "Instead of patronising someone"
Your very next post to me started by you saying to me "No Dear" obviously patronising.
Why do you believe you're above the standards which you expect from everyone else?
Well, if you're going to patronise me, you'll get it right back.
Are they?
Mel and Sue are a 90s comedy act that have since ventured into more regular presenting gigs.
Most of this generation probably don't even know they're comedians and think of them as the girls who presented a baking show.
Sue made her own sitcom five years ago and it tanked after 6 episodes.
If you think Mel and Sue are the height of British comedy in 2018 you're not looking hard enough.I don't think they're the height, I think they're what we get given, not because they're funny but because the tick the right boxes, they're women and gay and that's all they need to be.
Britain's got talent finally got a comedian winner this year, I wonder what the secret to his success was, because he wasn't that funny. The Last leg falls into that category too.
I'm not saying gays, women, disabled people can't be funny, I'm saying the ones we get given are not, and are only there for the sake of diversity and so called progressivness, not comedy.
Marsh.
23-10-2018, 05:25 PM
I don't think they're the height, I think they're what we get given, not because they're funny but because the tick the right boxes, they're women and gay and that's all they need to be.
Britain's got talent finally got a comedian winner this year, I wonder what the secret to his success was, because he wasn't that funny. The Last leg falls into that category too.
I'm not saying gays, women, disabled people can't be funny, I'm saying the ones we get given are not, and are only there for the sake of diversity and so called progressivness, not comedy.
They're not what we get. They're TV presenters.
Sue is gay, Mel is not.
I'm not sure why they're being used as a measure of "modern comedy because they're gay and female and ticking boxes" when their comedy routines and the height of their careers were over 20 years ago. They are just TV/radio presenters nowadays. And they rarely do stuff together either.
Marsh.
23-10-2018, 05:26 PM
Ant and Dec (prior to Ant's... breakdown) are more the modern equivalent of a Morcambe and Wise. All over the TV, extremely popular and a double act in every sense of the word.
Mel and Sue are such a left field choice I can't take it seriously.
Toy Soldier
23-10-2018, 09:03 PM
When Mel and Sue were mentioned, I did wonder if I'd gone to bed in 2018 last night and woken up in 2002 :joker:.
Marsh.
23-10-2018, 09:28 PM
I'm not saying gays, women, disabled people can't be funny, I'm saying the ones we get given are not, and are only there for the sake of diversity and so called progressivness, not comedy.
Really don't think you're qualified to say that if your only example of "female, gay or disabled" comedians are Mel and Sue.
Twosugars
23-10-2018, 10:05 PM
Alf does seem a tad unprepared to argue his boldly stated case :think:
Alf does seem a tad unprepared to argue his boldly stated case :think:What is your question your honour? Make it quick because I'm trying to watch making a murderer.
Twosugars
23-10-2018, 10:44 PM
Is it any good?
Court is adjourned until the morning.
Twosugars
23-10-2018, 10:49 PM
Is making a murderer any good?
LaLaLand
23-10-2018, 10:52 PM
Got to say, my Dad made me watch a Bernard Manning concert that's on YouTube from his Embassy Club and I howled, some of it was shockingly offensive but that adds to it because you're like "omg how was this allowed". Chubby Brown too has the same effect on me.
Is making a murderer any good?Not as good as the first series so far, but I've still got 4 and half episodes left to watch.
Oliver_W
26-10-2018, 07:04 AM
I don't think it's killed comedy in the "people can't say anything anymore!!" type way - most of my favourite comedies aren't PC or un-PC, they're just neutral, like Blackadder/Jeeves and Wooster/Brittas. Fawlty Towers might push it a little sometimes, but nothing bad.
I will say that late night talk shows which replace jokes with "Trump, AMMIRIGHT!?" are annoying.
Didn't the commissioner for comedy or someone from the BBC say that Monty Python wouldn't be picked up today for being "too white and too male" ? Pretty stupid attitude really, denying someone a place on television for their race and gender, especially considering how many comedy writers have been influenced by the Pythons. I wonder how many potentially brilliant acts are missing out due to their identity...
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