Should fairy tales be rewritten to reflect modern women?

[Northern Monkey]

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Debate...

[arista]

No
Leave them alone
no need to edit them old films

[montblanc]

yeah i think it's important to move away from the typical base plot that a lot of princess-based fairy tales seem to have

simply just move with the times

[montblanc]

No
Leave them alone
no need to edit them old films

the originals will always be there though :oh:

we should push more modern version of these stories!

[Alf]

Want, want, want, want, want.

[montblanc]

Want, want, want, want, want.

what :laugh:

[Liam-]

They shouldn’t be rewritten no, that’s a ridiculous ask, just move with the times and create more up to date films for people to enjoy, we’re on a good track right now, with strong female characters in kids films, we can’t change the past, but we can always have a good future.

[Oliver_W]

Nope. Write new stories if you don't like the old ones.

I can understand when people say "the princess should rescue herself", but I doubt even Luke Skywalker could break out of a locked room in top of a tower guarded by a dragon without help. If you want to be all modern, then write a story where the princess could feasibly save herself.

Even then, the old stories still have their merit. Snow White eating the poisoned apple shows Stranger Danger, even if the stranger appears to just be an innocent old bag.

[montblanc]

or just write the newer princess fairy tales with modernized themes to correlate with our era :hugesmile:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Only when ALL the housework is done

then ok

[Crimson Dynamo]

and after tea is made too

[montblanc]

but why shouldn't they have a rewritten version? older stories being transformed with newer, modernized plots is always being done in media so why not with these? again, it's not as if the older stories are going to be completely wiped from existence

:suspect:

[montblanc]

but i do think they should focus more on newer stories than the old

[Cherie]

No not rewitten otherwise we may as well start rewriting history, new fairytales should be written instead

[Alf]

or just write the newer princess fairy tales with modernized themes to correlate with our era :hugesmile:ASBO Cinderella and Smackhead Snow White

[Niamh.]

I swear fairy tales have already been rewritten even since I was kid to be less gruesome

[RileyH]

ASBO Cinderella and Smackhead Snow White

:joker:

[Northern Monkey]

Maybe we should write all new ones where the LGBT+QIGenderFluid prince is locked up in a tower and the Feminist Bi-curious Pansexual Two Spirit princes comes and rescues ‘them’.

Then we should have a book(and DVD) burning ceremony for the old ones and wipe any trace of them from the internet so we can all become ‘woke’?

[montblanc]

Maybe we should write all new ones where the LGBT+QIGenderFluid prince is locked up in a tower and the Feminist Bi-curious Pansexual Two Spirit princes comes and rescues ‘them’.

Then we should have a book(and DVD) burning ceremony for the old ones and wipe any trace of them from the internet so we can all become ‘woke’?

oh yay :hugesmile:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not Georgy Porgy getting banged up for being a violent Paedo

[montblanc]

what are y'all on about :skull:

[Crimson Dynamo]

what are y'all on about :skull:

did yer mam not read to you at bedtime?

[montblanc]

i just don't understand how this is even an issue considering those fairytales are ALREADY rewritten versions of dark tales :laugh:

[montblanc]

did yer mam not read to you at bedtime?

no :(

[Crimson Dynamo]

no :(

then GET OUT

[montblanc]

i read myself :smug:

[Cherie]

Not Georgy Porgy getting banged up for being a violent Paedo

:laugh3: miss you on the BB threads

[joeysteele]

No not rewitten otherwise we may as well start rewriting history, new fairytales should be written instead

This for me.

Far better to just write new ones, I agree.

[Elliot]

Literally why not just make new ones
Old ones are reflective of their respective era. No point trying to rewrite history. Make some new stuff reflective of the current day :D

[Babayaro.]

Nawt Humpty Dumpty a part of the EDL, shouting "FREE ARE TOMMY" on his wall :bawling:

[smudgie]

No:nono:

I have kissed too many frogs to find my prince, it’s a good lesson to learn:joker::joker:

[Oliver_W]

Georgie Porgie was written about the Prince Regent/George IV #truestory

[Withano]

Why rewrite them? Write your own new stories.

[GoldHeart]

I swear fairy tales have already been rewritten even since I was kid to be less gruesome

Yeah but I don't think that's what they mean, the Cinderella original story was alot darker as the ugly sisters chopped bits of their feet off to fit in the glass slipper . And they got their eyes pecked out by birds .

So obviously that would of been too gory for a children's story so it was altered .

But when it comes to other stuff I don't think there's any need to make them based on the "modern woman" as they're called Fairy tales for a reason :shrug: . They're fiction and it's all make belief .

[Niamh.]

Yeah but I don't think that's what they mean, the Cinderella original story was alot darker as the ugly sisters chopped bits of their feet off to fit in the glass slipper . And they got their eyes pecked out by birds .

So obviously that would of been too gory for a children's story so it was altered .

But when it comes to other stuff I don't think there's any need to make them based on the "modern woman" as they're called Fairy tales for a reason :shrug: . They're fiction and it's all make belief .I remember having a book on the little mermaid and it was really grim, her trade on getting legs was she was in constant pain :worry:

[LaLaLand]

NO how pathetic.

They're FAIRYTALES, not reality.

[LaLaLand]

Yeah but I don't think that's what they mean, the Cinderella original story was alot darker as the ugly sisters chopped bits of their feet off to fit in the glass slipper . And they got their eyes pecked out by birds .

So obviously that would of been too gory for a children's story so it was altered .

But when it comes to other stuff I don't think there's any need to make them based on the "modern woman" as they're called Fairy tales for a reason :shrug: . They're fiction and it's all make belief .

I did a whole project in uni about Nursery Rhyme/Fairytale origins and was so shocked at most of them.

Like, Rapunzel was basically a sex slave in that tower. :shocked:

[Cal.]

And THEN, the sexy princess Sian WON the final EVER series of Big Brother AND the 100k cash prize!! BRILLAINT! UTTERLY BRILLIANT!

[GoldHeart]

I remember having a book on the little mermaid and it was really grim, her trade on getting legs was she was in constant pain :worry:

Alot of the original Fairy tales have a darker grim side I think .
I much prefer the family friendly versions :joker: .

But aside from that ,I don't think fairytsles need updating as they're classics .

[hijaxers]

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Debate...

No FFs do we get it they are 'fairy stories' ! Stories for children from now - will they be banned or altered in future >
Its our history stop so trying to change whats already happened and work on the future.

Drives me up the bastard wall.

[GoldHeart]

I did a whole project in uni about Nursery Rhyme/Fairytale origins and was so shocked at most of them.

Like, Rapunzel was basically a sex slave in that tower. :shocked:

OMG that's insane :shocked: . But like you said nursery ryhmes also had grim meanings as well , e.g ring a ring a roses is about the plague . You just wouldn't ever associate those things with children's stories and songs . It's interesting but bizarre at the same time .

[Livia]

Children aren't stupid. I loved Cinderella etc. when I was a little girl, never did I think that the stories were real or in any way applied to me. What people may need these days is a ****ing reality check.

What are we going to do next, rewrite Shakespeare? After all, he had a positively Elizabethan view of women.

[Nicky91]

Children aren't stupid. I loved Cinderella etc. when I was a little girl, never did I think that the stories were real or in any way applied to me. What people may need these days is a ****ing reality check.

What are we going to do next, rewrite Shakespeare? After all, he had a positively Elizabethan view of women.

to do or not to do, that's the question


pun at ''to be or not to be''

[Niamh.]

Children aren't stupid. I loved Cinderella etc. when I was a little girl, never did I think that the stories were real or in any way applied to me. What people may need these days is a ****ing reality check.

What are we going to do next, rewrite Shakespeare? After all, he had a positively Elizabethan view of women.

Speaking of Cinderella, what always used to bother me is how the **** can anyone walk around in glass shoes?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Speaking of Cinderella, what always used to bother me is how the **** can anyone walk around in glass shoes?

i know, must be a right pane

[Niamh.]

i know, must be a right pane

She must have been shattered afterwards

[Crimson Dynamo]

:hehe:

[Livia]

Speaking of Cinderella, what always used to bother me is how the **** can anyone walk around in glass shoes?

They weren't glass they were squirrel fur. Stephen Fry told me.

[Northern Monkey]

These jokes are terrible.Made me glaze right over.

[Niamh.]

These jokes are terrible.Made me glaze right over.

I try to be funny but I just can't win, dow!

[Crimson Dynamo]

I try to be funny but I just can't win, dow!

Neem, dont be hard on yourself, you have been funny Loetz in this thread

[Calderyon]

Can't wait for Geordie Shore Cinderella and Essex Snow White.

[Northern Monkey]

I try to be funny but I just can't win, dow!

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So transparent

[Crimson Dynamo]

A while ago a magician taught me how to turn things into glass


I just wanted to make that clear

[JoshBB]

Have them as well as the old ones imo. Trouble is, an adult reading it could acknowledge a certain element being a product of its time, and not reflective of modern society. A kid tho.. probably couldn't

[Crimson Dynamo]

Have them as well as the old ones imo. Trouble is, an adult reading it could acknowledge a certain element being a product of its time, and not reflective of modern society. A kid tho.. probably couldn't

its adults who read these stories to children, by the time they can read for themseves they have moved on from fairy tales

[Niamh.]

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So transparent

A blind man could see through it

[Tom4784]

I think this whole debate is fairly ridiculous.

If you don't like the traditional fairy tales, write new ones. We shouldn't rewrite stories that aren't ours to rewrite just because they aren't modern enough nor should we take life lessons from anything other than the morale of the stories themselves.

These stories as they are can open up important topics to kids that might not come up in a way they would understand if we rewrite the old stories. Again, people who don't like the old stories need to come up with their own instead of expecting what are harmless traditional stories to change for their own benefit.

[GoldHeart]

I think this whole debate is fairly ridiculous.

If you don't like the traditional fairy tales, write new ones. We shouldn't rewrite stories that aren't ours to rewrite just because they aren't modern enough nor should we take life lessons from anything other than the morale of the stories themselves.

These stories as they are can open up important topics to kids that might not come up in a way they would understand if we rewrite the old stories. Again, people who don't like the old stories need to come up with their own instead of expecting what are harmless traditional stories to change for their own benefit.


Yeah I don't like the idea of traditional classic fairytales being butchered to fit someone's "modern life" , even the movie In To The Woods annoyed me the way they made Prince charming cheat on Cinderella. The movie wasn't that good either.

[Maru]

I mean, people can rewrite it if they want. The main question for me is not whether we should rewrite, but should we black out the old versions, i.e. revisionist... then my answer would be no.

Any story though, anything can be retold/rewritten. That's pretty common across all media and has been particularl true with fairytales. I don't think even Disney is 100% faithful to borrowed stories, and Hollywood almost certainly isn't :laugh:

Once Upon a Time is a modern version in some sense of classical storytelling... the reason to be attached to older versions of fairytales is that they are an example of a particular style of story-telling, with a penchant for sensibility and moral lessons centered of childhood... and it's this "art form" that should be preserved, as it is proven to be extremely accessible.

I think modern media lacks this versability, as more and more it's about aesthetics (like what color the princess is and how she dresses, etc) and popular culture (omg, she listens to rock!). So it's important to study the older way of doing things so they can see how these techniques can be used in the development of engaging/memorable storylines that stand the test of time. Classical fairytales achieve an artform that is actually very difficult to master.

[armand.kay]

wtf is peoples problem with cinderella? what was a girl to do she was stuck in n emotionally abusive home with nowhere else to go and just waited until the right opportunity to go find a way out...

[armand.kay]

Do people want cinderella to pick up a samurai sword and chop ha step mams head off?

[Marsh.]

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Debate...

Look what happens, you start letting them have breaks from the kitchen and now they want more...

[LaLaLand]

Found my uni project notes so thought some might find these interesting. Some dark origins of Fairytales:

Sleeping Beauty: King finds her asleep, rapes her and she has a child (still asleep) who sucks the thorn out of her finger that's keeping her asleep. Then, King kills his wife to be with SB.

The Little Mermaid: "Ariel" is in agony once she gets her legs as punishment for leaving her life "under the sea" and if her Prince married someone else she'd die and turn into sea foam. So her sister's make a deal with "Ursula" by trading their hair for a dagger. "Ariel" must kill him and have his blood drip on her feet to return to being a mermaid...

Cinderella: One of the "ugly sisters" cuts off her toes so that the glass [gold] slipper fits whilst the other cuts off her heel. Doves then peck their eyes out at Cinders' wedding.

Snow White: Similar to "SW & the Huntsman", the Wicked Queen orders the HM to take her into the woods and kill her but he must bring back her organs for her to eat. Later at SW's wedding to the Prince, Queen, ordered to, dances herself to death wearing red-hot iron shoes...

Mulan: Commits suicide.

The Fox & the Hound: The Fox is the villain of the story and leads a dog to it's death (hit by a train). Dog's owner gets another (Hound) and trains it to hunt the Fox, Fox dies.

Little Red Riding Hood: Eats her Grandmother's body and drinks her blood (not knowing, tricked by Wolf).

[Niamh.]

Do people want cinderella to pick up a samurai sword and chop ha step mams head off?

:amazed:

Armand to rewrite all the fairytales tbh

[Niamh.]

Found my uni project notes so thought some might find these interesting. Some dark origins of Fairytales:

Sleeping Beauty: King finds her asleep, rapes her and she has a child (still asleep) who sucks the thorn out of her finger that's keeping her asleep. Then, King kills his wife to be with SB.

The Little Mermaid: "Ariel" is in agony once she gets her legs as punishment for leaving her life "under the sea" and if her Prince married someone else she'd die and turn into sea foam. So her sister's make a deal with "Ursula" by trading their hair for a dagger. "Ariel" must kill him and have his blood drip on her feet to return to being a mermaid...

Cinderella: One of the "ugly sisters" cuts off her toes so that the glass [gold] slipper fits whilst the other cuts off her heel. Doves then peck their eyes out at Cinders' wedding.

Snow White: Similar to "SW & the Huntsman", the Wicked Queen orders the HM to take her into the woods and kill her but he must bring back her organs for her to eat. Later at SW's wedding to the Prince, Queen, ordered to, dances herself to death wearing red-hot iron shoes...

Mulan: Commits suicide.

The Fox & the Hound: The Fox is the villain of the story and leads a dog to it's death (hit by a train). Dog's owner gets another (Hound) and trains it to hunt the Fox, Fox dies.

Little Red Riding Hood: Eats her Grandmother's body and drinks her blood (not knowing, tricked by Wolf).

Yeah that was the book I had on the little Mermaid when I was a kid :laugh: