Grenfell Tower: Group burns model on bonfire

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Footage of a group of people laughing as they burn a model of Grenfell Tower has been branded "sickening and disgraceful".

The video, shared widely on social media, shows a cardboard model of the tower, complete with drawings of people at the windows, being set alight.

Dany Cotton, commissioner of London Fire Brigade (LFB), said the video "cannot be justified on any level".

Scotland Yard said the Grenfell Tower investigation team is making inquiries.

Commander Stuart Cundy said: "I am frankly appalled by the callous nature of the video posted online. To mock that disaster in such a crude way is vile.

"Any offences that have been committed will be fully investigated."

Mr Cundy appealed for anyone with information to contact police.

Some 72 people were killed in the devastating blaze at the west London tower block in June 2017.

The Justice4Grenfell campaign group has called for the video to be removed from social media as it "has caused great alarm and distress".

The group said: "This is clearly a hate crime and as a society we should never tolerate these types of blatant acts of hatred.

"We have an expectation that the police will look into this robustly and that the perpetrators will face the full force of the law."

Shadow home secretary Diane Abbott said on Twitter: "This is sickening and disgraceful behaviour.

"I am disgusted that people would behave in such a hateful way."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46099562

[Cherie]

Braindead idiots

[montblanc]

honestly do people really find this kind of stuff funny? like this doesn't even count as dark humor this is just wrong

[Liam-]

Sick ****s

[Oliver_W]

What makes it a hate crime?

[T*]

What makes it a hate crime?

Erm... the fact they intentionally put models of Muslim people in the windows of the tower mock up and burnt it? Why is this a question?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'd imagine it's kids

[T*]

Those kids sure have deep voices and middle age faces!

[smudgie]

:fist: morons

[Crimson Dynamo]

Those kids sure have deep voices and middle age faces!

Not child migrants? :omgno:

[Shaun]

We deserve to be nuked, tbh

[Cherie]

I'd imagine it's kids

Nope just seen the footage on the news, older white men with easily recognisable faces, EDL or National Front party

[Smithy]

Nope just seen the footage on the news, older white men with easily recognisable faces, EDL or National Front party

It’ll either be that or a bunch of tories I bet

[Alf]

It's just a laugh, quite creative actually.

[Shaun]

It's just a laugh, quite creative actually.

A very telling post...

[Alf]

A very telling post...Telling what?

I care as much about that block of flats as you do at what happened in a block of flats in Hull a fortnight ago.

[Marsh.]

Telling what?

I care as much about that block of flats as you do at what happened in a block of flats in Hull a fortnight ago.

And that has what to do with your racist post?

[Black Dagger]

Put them all down like the rabid dogs they are.

[Alf]

And that has what to do with your racist post?Explain what's racist or I'm gonna call you a rapist for no reason.

[Marsh.]

Explain what's racist or I'm gonna call you a rapist for no reason.

You just called an incident of racists burning an effigy of muslim figures "a laugh" and "creative".

Not sure what rape has to do with it. But you do you.

[Alf]

You just called an incident of racists burning an effigy of muslim figures "a laugh" and "creative".

Not sure what rape has to do with it. But you do you.Grenfell tower is a follower of Mo? I never knew that.

[Marsh.]

Grenfell tower is a follower of Mo? I never knew that.

Oh is this the bit where you spend 2 pages talking about something else?

Yeah, good luck with that.

[Shaun]

Telling what?

I care as much about that block of flats as you do at what happened in a block of flats in Hull a fortnight ago.

A weird hill to die on just to prove how unfazed and amused you are by national tragedies but alright then.

[Alf]

A weird hill to die on just to prove how unfazed and amused you are by national tragedies but alright then.Isn't every tragedy a national tragedy or just the ones that make the news headlines?

[King Gizzard]

It's just a laugh, quite creative actually.

Deary ****ing me

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nope just seen the footage on the news, older white men with easily recognisable faces, EDL or National Front party

Aah OK Iv not seen it. It may be the group from NI who dressed up in full KKK garb for Halloween?

[Alf]

Deary ****ing meWell I'm right, those people obviously did it to amuse themselves, and not 1 person was hurt.

[Marsh.]

Well I'm right, those people obviously did it to amuse themselves, and not 1 person was hurt.

Making light of such bigotry and hatred allows racism and all its forms to run riot in society. So, yes, it hurts a lot of people.

But, hey, it made Alf laugh. :thumbs:

[Lostie!]

God there are some appalling people out there

[hijaxers]

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Footage of a group of people laughing as they burn a model of Grenfell Tower has been branded "sickening and disgraceful".

The video, shared widely on social media, shows a cardboard model of the tower, complete with drawings of people at the windows, being set alight.

Dany Cotton, commissioner of London Fire Brigade (LFB), said the video "cannot be justified on any level".

Scotland Yard said the Grenfell Tower investigation team is making inquiries.

Commander Stuart Cundy said: "I am frankly appalled by the callous nature of the video posted online. To mock that disaster in such a crude way is vile.

"Any offences that have been committed will be fully investigated."

Mr Cundy appealed for anyone with information to contact police.

Some 72 people were killed in the devastating blaze at the west London tower block in June 2017.

The Justice4Grenfell campaign group has called for the video to be removed from social media as it "has caused great alarm and distress".

The group said: "This is clearly a hate crime and as a society we should never tolerate these types of blatant acts of hatred.

"We have an expectation that the police will look into this robustly and that the perpetrators will face the full force of the law."

Shadow home secretary Diane Abbott said on Twitter: "This is sickening and disgraceful behaviour.

"I am disgusted that people would behave in such a hateful way."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-46099562


Good god quite unbelievable , what is wrong with these animals - i can't call them people. Shocking way to behave.

[Alf]

Making light of such bigotry and hatred allows racism and all its forms to run riot in society. So, yes, it hurts a lot of people.

But, hey, it made Alf laugh. :thumbs:That's not hurt, that's anger.

[Marsh.]

That's not hurt, that's anger.

Don't think you're quite understanding, but that ain't a surprise.

[Black Dagger]

Don't give it the attention

[LaLaLand]

This is absolutely despicable and they should be severely punished. Totally sick.

[Alf]

Don't give it the attentionCertainty not the top story on the national news, which was followed by the murder epidemic in London. Anyone would think it pure propaganda.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Don't give it the attention

Well you suggested the perps should be murdered so not sure how ironic you sound?

[Black Dagger]

Well you suggested the perps should be murdered so not sure how ironic you sound?

Oh here comes the other one.

[Livia]

Oop, bet the snowflakes are offended again

:joker:

I shall bring my marshmallows!

Thought I'd quote a couple of posts from the thread dealing with a group burning and effigy of Boris Johnson on a bonfire a few days ago, just for the sake of balance.

The Grenfell thing is in extremely poor taste and not funny at all. But story No.1 on the national news?

[Withano]

Thought I'd quote a couple of posts from the thread dealing with a group burning and effigy of Boris Johnson on a bonfire a few days ago, just for the sake of balance.

The Grenfell thing is in extremely poor taste and not funny at all. But story No.1 on the national news?

Have no ****ing idea what point you think you’re making?

[Headie]

Don't give it the attention

Oh here comes the other one.

.

(Idek what they've said as they're both on my ignore list but people need to stop giving them attention!)

[Livia]

Have no ****ing idea what point you think you’re making?

Then allow me to clarify it for you. It's okay if they're burning someone you don't like and don't empathise or sympathise with. That's worth a laugh, right?

Otherwise it justifies top story on national news.

[Withano]

Then allow me to clarify it for you. It's okay if they're burning someone you don't like and don't empathise or sympathise with. That's worth a laugh, right?

Otherwise it justifies top story on national news.

This is not the appropriate place for you to be confused about Guy Fawkes traditions ffs.

[Alf]

.

(Idek what they've said as they're both on my ignore list but people need to stop giving them attention!)You vill be silenced.

You're missing out on so much having me on ignore, but your ignorance is your loss.

[Livia]

This is not the appropriate place for you to be confused about Guy Fawkes traditions ffs.

I'm not confused.

[Marsh.]

Thought I'd quote a couple of posts from the thread dealing with a group burning and effigy of Boris Johnson on a bonfire a few days ago, just for the sake of balance.

The Grenfell thing is in extremely poor taste and not funny at all. But story No.1 on the national news?

If you can explain what relevance it has that would be fine.

As it is, it doesn't.

[Marsh.]

Then allow me to clarify it for you. It's okay if they're burning someone you don't like and don't empathise or sympathise with. That's worth a laugh, right?

Otherwise it justifies top story on national news.

No Livia, burning a guy Fawkes or taking the piss out of the tragedy of a burning building and throwing in a load or racism to boot. Are you being dense on purpose?

[Withano]

I'm not confused.

You ****ing are mate!

[Livia]

If you can explain what relevance it has that would be fine.

As it is, it doesn't.

Oh come on Marshy.... it's the whole burning things on a bonfire relevance. It's all meaningless.

[Alf]

No Livia, burning a guy Fawkes or taking the piss out of the tragedy of a burning building. Are you being dense on purpose?When you strip it all down and take away the politics and bollox, they put some paper on a bonfire.

[Marsh.]

Oh come on Marshy.... it's the whole burning things on a bonfire relevance. It's all meaningless.

Using it to pisstake an actual burning building and littering it with racism isn't the same as a cartoon figure of Boris with his bike helmet.

[Marsh.]

When you strip it all down and take away the politics and bollox, they put some paper on a bonfire.

Well, if they stripped it down and took away the racism and politics it would be a completely different situation. But it's not.

[Cherie]

Oh come on Marshy.... it's the whole burning things on a bonfire relevance. It's all meaningless.

I think you need to listen to the 'funny' comments on the video Livia

[Withano]

Oh come on Marshy.... it's the whole burning things on a bonfire relevance. It's all meaningless.

Mocking a burning building with added racism that killed 72 is meaningless! Offseason is back a day early!

[Cherie]

When you strip it all down and take away the politics and bollox, they put some paper on a bonfire.

Have you listened to the comments? This wasn't an innocent burning of a bit of cardboard

[Cherie]

Aah OK Iv not seen it. It may be the group from NI who dressed up in full KKK garb for Halloween?

They all sounded English!

[Alf]

Have you listened to the comments? This wasn't an innocent burning of a bit of cardboardWe can't give up our freedoms because camera phones have been invented. 1984 was a warning, not a manual.

[arista]

It was in a garden of a home

[Oliver_W]

Mocking a burning building with added racism that killed 72 is meaningless! Offseason is back a day early!
If they didn't include the paper figures, would it still be "racist"?

Well, if they stripped it down and took away the racism and politics it would be a completely different situation. But it's not.
What political views did they express?

[Marsh.]

What political views did they express?

You don't think racism and the Grenfell Tower have anything to do with politics?

[Marsh.]

If they didn't include the paper figures, would it still be "racist"?

"If they weren't racist, would it still be racist?" is a meaningless comment.

[Withano]

If they didn't include the paper figures, would it still be "racist"?


What political views did they express?

Why are you (and others) trying so hard to defend it? Do you even believe this would be an okay thing to do without the racism? Or do you just wanna talk aimlessly about hypotheticals? Like where are you actually hoping to get with this hypothetical question?

Bizarre behaviour from some people in here.

[Oliver_W]

I'm not necessarily trying to defend it, but it's just a bunch of idiots having fun in a stupid way. I doubt they put much thought into it, beyond imagining they were being little edgelords.

A lot of people could do with a serious knicker de-twisting.

[Marsh.]

I doubt they put much thought into it

:joker:

[Cherie]

It was in a garden of a home

Why film and share it

[Alf]

Why are you (and others) trying so hard to defend it? Do you even believe this would be an okay thing to do without the racism? Or do you just wanna talk aimlessly about hypotheticals? Like where are you actually hoping to get with this hypothetical question?

Bizarre behaviour from some people in here.Who's defending it?

It might be that people are just putting a different spin on the story for discussions sake.

[Withano]

Who's defending it?

It might be that people are just putting a different spin on the story for discussions sake.

Like a defence?

[Tom4784]

Thought I'd quote a couple of posts from the thread dealing with a group burning and effigy of Boris Johnson on a bonfire a few days ago, just for the sake of balance.

The Grenfell thing is in extremely poor taste and not funny at all. But story No.1 on the national news?

You're smart enough to know the difference between burning an effigy of a person and burning an effigy of a tragedy. I doubt you'd be so quick to find balance had they burned an effigy of another tragedy, like say, the holocaust.

[Alf]

Like a defence?No! just not to join the mob.

[Marsh.]

mob.

:joker:

[Matthew.]

oh my god why would you even think about doing something like that? what was going through their head when they did that? sick bastards

[Withano]

No! just not to join the mob.

That slapstick 70s humour you like to talk about cant have taught you much about irony huh

[Crimson Dynamo]

They burned a union jack on a bon fire yesterday. You can google that if you wish

[Jake.]

They burned a union jack on a bon fire yesterday. You can google that if you wish

In what sense is that the same?

[Smithy]

They burned a union jack on a bon fire yesterday. You can google that if you wish

With people like that in the country, I’d burn it too, complete gutter trash

[arista]

5 men walked into the Police station
last night,
aged 19 to 54.

South London Location.


https://news.sky.com/story/five-men-arrested-over-grenfell-tower-effigy-bonfire-video-11545938


[Officers said they arrested two 49-year-olds, a 55-year-old
, another man aged 46 and a 19-year-old after they handed
themselves in to a south London police station on Monday night.]

[Twosugars]

With people like that in the country, I’d burn it too, complete gutter trash

Well said.

[arista]

I'd imagine it's kids


One 19 year old only.
The rest middle aged men.

[Cherie]

5 men walked into the Police station
last night,
aged 19 to 54.

South London Location.


https://news.sky.com/story/five-men-arrested-over-grenfell-tower-effigy-bonfire-video-11545938


[Officers said they arrested two 49-year-olds, a 55-year-old
, another man aged 46 and a 19-year-old after they handed
themselves in to a south London police station on Monday night.]

I had a feeling they would they were easily recognisable

[Livia]

Men have been arrested for a "public order offence" while attending a private party?

I'm going to say again, because some people think I (and others) are defending the boneheads who did this - I'm not, they are scum. But there wasn't the same outrage when Muslims burned poppies. They were also charged with a public order offence, and fined £50. Poppies represent people who've died, is someone going to tell me that's not the same thing either?

It was a deplorable act, but people's reaction is over the reaction is over the top. Should we now monitor every private party now, in case someone's doing something we don't approve of?

[Cherie]

Men have been arrested for a "public order offence" while attending a private party?

I'm going to say again, because some people think I (and others) are defending the boneheads who did this - I'm not, they are scum. But there wasn't the same outrage when Muslims burned poppies. They were also charged with a public order offence, and fined £50. Poppies represent people who've died, is someone going to tell me that's not the same thing either?

It was a deplorable act, but people's reaction is over the reaction is over the top. Should we now monitor every private party now, in case someone's doing something we don't approve of?

agree with that, the other thing about this while deplorable is why it made the top story on the London news when four stabbings since Halloween and the Mayor saying it would take a decade to tackle knife crime in London (in other words not on my watch) was pushed down the ranks

also with regard to the private party comment, yes it was but they made it public when the shared it online, whether that was shared by someone who didn't agree with what was going on or by someone who thought it was hilarious remains to be seen

[Withano]

Maybe I’m thinking of the wrong time, but there was a massive outrage about poppies being burnt. Huge. Only thing people were talking about for days on end.

[bots]

Men have been arrested for a "public order offence" while attending a private party?

I'm going to say again, because some people think I (and others) are defending the boneheads who did this - I'm not, they are scum. But there wasn't the same outrage when Muslims burned poppies. They were also charged with a public order offence, and fined £50. Poppies represent people who've died, is someone going to tell me that's not the same thing either?

It was a deplorable act, but people's reaction is over the reaction is over the top. Should we now monitor every private party now, in case someone's doing something we don't approve of?

They recorded it and shared it on social media, at that point anything "private" goes out the window. I do agree with the points you are trying to make though

[Jigs]

only takes an ounce of empathy to see that this is not - and should never have been made - a laughing matter

Such grim behaviour tbh.

[Cherie]

They recorded it and shared it on social media, at that point anything "private" goes out the window. I do agree with the points you are trying to make though

the things they were laughing at makes you wonder about their IQ

[arista]

They recorded it and shared it on social media, at that point anything "private" goes out the window. I do agree with the points you are trying to make though


Yes charge the one that posted it
on Whats Ap.

[arista]

the things they were laughing at makes you wonder about their IQ



Maybe their lives are bad
the only Crime is posing it online.


BBC radio 5 Presenter
said we do not know their location?


Utter Bollocks
it's South London
Found out yesterday on SkyNewsHD.


Pathetic female presenter Anna Foster Radio 5

[Withano]

Yes charge the one that posted it
on Whats Ap.

Why? It isnt a crime to record a crime? Unless they helped to build the tower, I dont see why they should be prosecuted, the person that recorded it set people to justice.

[arista]

Why? It isnt a crime to record a crime? Unless they helped to build the tower, I dont see why they should be prosecuted, the person that recorded it set people to justice.



They did not see it as crime
only after the online feedback
did those men walk into
the Police Station in South London.

The Person that Recorded it and posted it online
is one of them
maybe the 19 year old.



Private Garden
not Public until posted online.

[Withano]

They did not see it as crime
only after the online feedback
did those men walk into
the Police Station in South London.

The Person that Recorded it and posted it online
is one of them
maybe the 19 year old.



Private Garden
not Public until posted online.

Well the person who recorded it probably got done for their public offence then... not for physically recording the incident. Recording the incident shouldn’t be a crime.

[Livia]

They recorded it and shared it on social media, at that point anything "private" goes out the window. I do agree with the points you are trying to make though

I have to admit I immediately thought it was posted by someone at the party... but without the party-thrower's knowledge. If they truly posted this themselves... well it speaks for itself as to what kind of people they are. Still don't think it's the massive story it's been made into.

[arista]

Perfect Phone Clip for a reckless 19 year old
who may have recorded it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

People do all sorts of abhorrent stuff but post it on social media and the game changes

[Withano]

People do all sorts of abhorrent stuff but post it on social media and the game changes

And I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn’t for twenty-first century technology.

[Alf]

At least somebody will finally be prosecuted for the Grenfell tower burning down and killing all those people.

[arista]

A 6th person has been arrested
the 19year old.


No one has been charged ,yet.

It was a garden in South Norwood


Ref: ITV London news.

[Brother Leon]

Haven’t personally watched it because I know it will just piss me off.

R.I.P to all those that had their lives stolen that day. Still makes my heart break.

[Mystic Mock]

These people are disgraceful twats that I'm glad have been highlighted for their behaviour.

However I do think that the law should be careful on what sort of punishment to give them as we need prison space for bigger offences such as murder, rape etc, and of course hate crimes that lead to violence.

But as I've said I'm glad that these idiots have been highlighted for their disgraceful behaviour, I'd give them a year of Community Service for the crime.

[Zizu]

These people are disgraceful twats that I'm glad have been highlighted for their behaviour.

However I do think that the law should be careful on what sort of punishment to give them as we need prison space for bigger offences such as murder, rape etc, and of course hate crimes that lead to violence.

But as I've said I'm glad that these idiots have been highlighted for their disgraceful behaviour, I'd give them a year of Community Service for the crime.



They will get picked on now for years ... good !!


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[arista]

They have all been released,


A Top Legal Expert on LBC
said they can not be charged with anything
just told off.

[Crimson Dynamo]

They will get picked on now for years ... good !!


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no they wont, dont be silly

[user104658]

People do all sorts of abhorrent stuff but post it on social media and the game changes

I'm not sure if you're saying that as though it SHOULDN'T change things? When people say / do things like this in private, it's not particularly tasteful, but it doesn't actively harm anyone. When those things go into the public eye and people who were actually affected by something like this can see it, then it can and does cause emotional distress... so it becomes something far worse.

That said, in this case I really have to question the mindset of these men. There's making a throwaway controversial joke in the moment - I enjoy a good round of Cards Against Humanity as much as the next nihilist - but then there's getting out the PVA glue and crayons and sitting round the table to craft and decorate a ****ing scale model building. I mean... really...

[Alf]

They have all been released,


A Top Legal Expert on LBC
said they can not be charged with anything
just told off.That's good to hear.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm not sure if you're saying that as though it SHOULDN'T change things? When people say / do things like this in private, it's not particularly tasteful, but it doesn't actively harm anyone. When those things go into the public eye and people who were actually affected by something like this can see it, then it can and does cause emotional distress... so it becomes something far worse.

That said, in this case I really have to question the mindset of these men. There's making a throwaway controversial joke in the moment - I enjoy a good round of Cards Against Humanity as much as the next nihilist - but then there's getting out the PVA glue and crayons and sitting round the table to craft and decorate a ****ing scale model building. I mean... really...

we burn a catholic alive on our bonfires, they did not intend, i guess, for anyone other than their poorly educated friends to see it

if it had been trump and his entire family in say airforce one model people would be so happy on here as would a lot of 16-24s

im not defending it but just posing a scenario

[Beso]

we burn a catholic alive on our bonfires, they did not intend, i guess, for anyone other than their poorly educated friends to see it

if it had been trump and his entire family in say airforce one model people would be so happy on here as would a lot of 16-24s

im not defending it but just posing a scenario

funny you should say that as lewes bonfire had a giant effigy off the pm and nothing has been said.

[Twosugars]

effigies of politicians are fine imo, it's about their political opinions really
I'd find addition of trump's family objectionable and in a bad taste

btw, this incident provided a final straw for me getting a book on fascist behaviour and ideology in the world today; gonna educate myself

[Oliver_W]

btw, this incident provided a final straw for me getting a book on fascist behaviour and ideology in the world today; gonna educate myself
What do you think fascism is, and how do you think it relates to this particular incident? No "shade", I just find people's views on that sort of thing interesting.

[arista]

Yes we do not know they are Racist.

[Twosugars]

What do you think fascism is, and how do you think it relates to this particular incident? No "shade", I just find people's views on that sort of thing interesting.

That's why I got the book, to educate myself.
If you want to know I'll tell you. But I want to put a disclaimer that I'm not presenting it as my view to be argued and defended. It's more of a gut feeling.
I think these people did what they did bc that tower represented multicultural Britain with people of colour, immigrants and refugees in social housing.
I think they disaprove of that. They disaprove of other races living here and they disaprove of welfare state. Both together make me think they may hold fascist views (racial purity, no welfare).
As to the definition of fascism, see wikipedia

[Matthew.]

They have all been released,


A Top Legal Expert on LBC
said they can not be charged with anything
just told off.

wtf

[Alf]

That's why I got the book, to educate myself.
If you want to know I'll tell you. But I want to put a disclaimer that I'm not presenting it as my view to be argued and defended. It's more of a gut feeling.
I think these people did what they did bc that tower represented multicultural Britain with people of colour, immigrants and refugees in social housing.
I think they disaprove of that. They disaprove of other races living here and they disaprove of welfare state. Both together make me think they may hold fascist views (racial purity, no welfare).
As to the definition of fascism, see wikipediaThey're a few geezers having a bonfire in their garden on bonfire night, they're not putting forward policies for racial purity and a non welfare state.

[arista]

wtf


No one got hurt
that's the legal side

[Twosugars]

They're a few geezers having a bonfire in their garden on bonfire night, they're not putting forward policies for racial purity and a non welfare state.

you mean fascists of a garden-variety? :hehe:

Oliver asked so I answered, but I'm not getting into legality or impact or arguing my points as it's just a hunch so :shrug:

[Oliver_W]

That's why I got the book, to educate myself.
If you want to know I'll tell you. But I want to put a disclaimer that I'm not presenting it as my view to be argued and defended. It's more of a gut feeling.
I think these people did what they did bc that tower represented multicultural Britain with people of colour, immigrants and refugees in social housing.
I think they disaprove of that. They disaprove of other races living here and they disaprove of welfare state. Both together make me think they may hold fascist views (racial purity, no welfare).
As to the definition of fascism, see wikipedia
A lack of a welfare state isn't necessarily a fascist thing:
[Nazi Germany had] undertaken state intervention in the economy unprecedented in capitalist societies. The Nazis also supported an extensive welfare state (of course, for ‘ethnically pure’ Germans). It included free higher education, family and child support, pensions, health insurance and an array of publically supported entertainment and vacation options. (https://aeon.co/ideas/fascism-was-a-right-wing-anti-capitalist-movement)
People paint fascism as "far right" when looking at racist thugs or politicians they disagree with, but actual fascism is hard to place on the left-right scale as it has aspects of both.

[Marsh.]

Should we now monitor every private party now, in case someone's doing something we don't approve of?

When they put that footage in a public space then it's up to be commented and acted on.

This wasn't a private party, it was an intentional public statement.

[Marsh.]

But there wasn't the same outrage when Muslims burned poppies. They were also charged with a public order offence, and fined £50. Poppies represent people who've died, is someone going to tell me that's not the same thing either?

I don't understand, they were also charged with an offence so why are you saying it was treated differently?

[Twosugars]

A lack of a welfare state isn't necessarily a fascist thing:

People paint fascism as "far right" when looking at racist thugs or politicians they disagree with, but actual fascism is hard to place on the left-right scale as it has aspects of both.

re. welfare: it is
that intervention you quote was not ideologically driven but practical
they excused it by saying it is for pure germans who fell behind by no fault of their own (blamed it on Jews)
doesn't change the fact that in principle they disagreed with welfare state and wanted a Darwinian survival of the fittest.


I didn't say they were far right, I said fascist so I don't disagree with your statement there. Tho you can't ignore that in common perception some see fascism as a right wing and may mistakenly claim that :shrug:

[Marsh.]

funny you should say that as lewes bonfire had a giant effigy off the pm and nothing has been said.

Should Theresa May be involved in a horrific fire then that, too, would become completely out of order I imagine.

[Twosugars]

Should Theresa May be involved in a horrific fire then that, too, would become completely out of order I imagine.

good one :clap2:

[Beso]

This is not the appropriate place for you to be confused about Guy Fawkes traditions ffs.

Boris and Theressa are not catholics so that ain't tradition at all.

[Beso]

Should Theresa May be involved in a horrific fire then that, too, would become completely out of order I imagine.

About time people put more effort into prosecuting the actual people at fault for grenfell than this sorry bunch if spastics.

[Withano]

Boris and Theressa are not catholics so that ain't tradition at all.

Did you intentionally quote that post? If so, I have no idea wtf you’re going on about either.

[Livia]

About time people put more effort into prosecuting the actual people at fault for grenfell than this sorry bunch if spastics.

And there's the crux of it.

[Oliver_W]

Did you intentionally quote that post? If so, I have no idea wtf you’re going on about either.

Guy Fawkes was part of a Catholic gang who concocted the Gunpowder Plot together. So apparently that means the tradition behind burning Guy dolls is actually burning Catholics?

Burning Catholics actually was a thing back in the day, but I don't think the burning of Guys is related to that.

[Beso]

Guy Fawkes was part of a Catholic gang who concocted the Gunpowder Plot together. So apparently that means the tradition behind burning Guy dolls is actually burning Catholics?

Burning Catholics actually was a thing back in the day, but I don't think the burning of Guys is related to that.

Catholosism had a huge impact on this case.

[Marsh.]

About time people put more effort into prosecuting the actual people at fault for grenfell than this sorry bunch if spastics.

Well, it's not the same crime we're discussing so one doesn't affect the other really.

[Marsh.]

And there's the crux of it.

Well, not really. These morons being prosecuted for their actions has no bearing on Grenfell itself or the investigation surrounding it.