Andrew Neil attacks BBC over Left-wing bias in comedy shows

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2017/08/23/TELEMMGLPICT000138100031_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq8JWdQZ1 J_PyHeSO_SJ-VAoyYNSukMALmIzuk96PqrxU.jpeg?imwidth=450

Andrew Neil has complained that the corporation's comedy output is too left wing.

Neil singled out The Mash Report, BBC Two's purile "satirical late" night show, as
"self satisfied, self adulatory, unchallenged Left-wing propaganda.
It's hardly balance. Could never happen on a politics show.
Except this has become a politics show."

The Now Show on Radio 4 is "contrived ideological commentary"
and Have I Got News For You "is on its last legs", Neil said.

"When it comes to so called comedy the BBC has
long given up on balance, on radio and TV. Nobody
seems to care. And I don't want Right-wing comedy,
whatever that is. I'd just like comedy. Which is in really
short supply. On TV and radio," he tweeted.

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He dismissed The Mash Report as a "pathetic imitation" of
The Daily Show in the US, hosted by Jon Stewart, who
"was Left-wing but also intelligent".

In his social media spree, Neil also described Channel 4 News
as "the broadcasting arm of the Guardian" and railed
against Bobby Gillespie, the Primal Scream singer who
appeared in a recent edition of Neil's show, This Week.



Neil, 69, is regarded by some as the perfect host for
Question Time, but the job is expected to go to a
younger woman. :rolleyes:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/13/andrew-neil-attacks-bbc-left-wing-bias-comedy-shows/#comments


I spot no lies?

[arista]

Yes he knows he score
he is on today 11:15AM BBC2HD

[Alf]

Andrew Neil should say that he identifies as a young woman, then not only will he be the best person for the job as Question Time host, but he'll also tick the identity boxes too.

[Livia]

Andrew Neil should say that he identifies as a young woman, then not only will he be the best person for the job as Question Time host, but he'll also tick the identity boxes too.

Yes, excellent idea Alfie. And next year, he'll probably get Woman of the Year.

[Withano]

Probably because theres not much funny about mocking lefty ideas like pay equality and peace? Mocking a multi-billion dollar wall that will serve literally no purpose whatsoever or a brexit plan which is doomed to fail is pretty funny though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Probably because theres not much funny about mocking lefty ideas like pay equality and peace? Mocking a multi-billion dollar wall that will serve literally no purpose whatsoever or a brexit plan which is doomed to fail is pretty funny though.

Yes how on earth could one think of comedy about the unrealistic ideals of youth or middle aged delusionals who should know better?

https://i1.wp.com/explosivepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/239179_1.jpg?resize=642%2C336

:think:

[Withano]

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[Withano]

Probably because theres not much funny about mocking lefty ideas like pay equality and peace? Mocking a multi-billion dollar wall that will serve literally no purpose whatsoever or a brexit plan which is doomed to fail is pretty funny though.

Yes how on earth could one think of comedy about the unrealistic ideals of youth or middle aged delusionals who should know better?


We already have that covered.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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nah m8te is because most stand-ups doing that shtick are young and or are aiming it squarely at a young, no property, no kids, no investment in society, dont even take bins out once a week audience

They want likes and facing the harsh reality of life wont get you any

[Withano]

nah m8te is because most stand-ups doing that stick are young and or are aiming it squarely at a young, no property, no kids, no investment in society, dont even take bins out once a week audience

They want likes and facing the harsh reality of life wont get you any

Why even make a thread if you thought you knew the answer?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why even make a thread if you thought you knew the answer?

I dont just make threads for me but for the enjoyment of all out wonderful members


:hee:

[Withano]

I dont just make threads for me but for the enjoyment of all out wonderful members


:hee:

Hmm. Well good thing I came along. This thread would have been incredibly unenjoyable without me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hmm. Well good thing I came along. This thread would have been incredibly unenjoyable without me.

i was just about to post the same thing as it goes


:)

[Livia]

You start getting less idealistic and more realistic when you hit 30 I reckon. And all our young people on here are hurtling towards being the "older generation" SO much faster than they all realise. When you suddenly discover that you didn't know as much as you imagined you did ten years before.

[Oliver_W]

There's just nothing funny to say about Trump anymore, all the "good" homes had already been done to death about two years ago. It's just tiresome when all jokes seem to be TRUMP LOL, surely even lefties can see that.

As for me, I've never been particularly left-leaning. Might be because I was raised with two working parents with a "want something? earn it" attitude, I dunno

[Twosugars]

what right-wing comedy has to offer? apart from racist jokes? :shrug:

[Oliver_W]

what right-wing comedy has to offer? apart from racist jokes? :shrug:

Which current comedians are you thinking of?

Steven Crowder is fairly amusing, and he doesn't make racist jokes.

[Twosugars]

it was wondering aloud, what does it have to offer?


Maybe Andrew Neill should try detaching his toupee during This Week? That could be funny

[arista]

what right-wing comedy has to offer? apart from racist jokes? :shrug:

You may be going back many years

Nowdays Not All


https://www.newstatesman.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/geoff_norcott_035.jpg?itok=P4PbNx-k

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/2018/02/are-we-set-resurgence-right-wing-comedy

[Oliver_W]

it was wondering aloud, what does it have to offer?

Crowder for instance, he talks about various news items from a right wing perspective, and makes jokes about it. As for what's that "offering", it's a different viewpoint than most other comedians, and it's fairly funny.

[arista]

[railed
against Bobby Gillespie, the Primal Scream singer who
appeared in a recent edition of Neil's show, This Week.]

So he should
Bobby was not thinking correctly
infact he made no sense

[Twosugars]

Thanks Arista, will read that.

[Scarlett.]

There's just nothing funny to say about Trump anymore, all the "good" homes had already been done to death about two years ago. It's just tiresome when all jokes seem to be TRUMP LOL, surely even lefties can see that.

As for me, I've never been particularly left-leaning. Might be because I was raised with two working parents with a "want something? earn it" attitude, I dunno

I think Trump really is an odd one, you can't really satirise him... because he's kinda already a living parody.

[Oliver_W]

I think Trump really is an odd one, you can't really satirise him... because he's kinda already a living parody.

Well, maybe so. I just wish more comedians would realise that ;)

[Jack_]

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lol I came here to post that exact video, I bet no one even bothered to watch it

One of my favourite routines ever :joker:

[Alf]

lol I came here to post that exact video, I bet no one even bothered to watch it

One of my favourite routines ever :joker:I watched it, it was sh!t.

[Elliot]

Political comedy in general is cringe

[Crimson Dynamo]

lol I came here to post that exact video, I bet no one even bothered to watch it

One of my favourite routines ever :joker:

I did it was totally unfunny, he is a very poor comedian hence why he is not rated

[Tom4784]

You start getting less idealistic and more realistic when you hit 30 I reckon. And all our young people on here are hurtling towards being the "older generation" SO much faster than they all realise. When you suddenly discover that you didn't know as much as you imagined you did ten years before.

How patronising.

[Tom4784]

Complaining about comedy? How grim. If this was reversed, there would be a lot of outrage and tears from the Right calling him a snowflake.

Comedy is comedy, to cry about it is just ridiculous. There's plenty of comedy I dislike but I don't expect the world to change to suit my needs.

[Maru]

You start getting less idealistic and more realistic when you hit 30 I reckon. And all our young people on here are hurtling towards being the "older generation" SO much faster than they all realise. When you suddenly discover that you didn't know as much as you imagined you did ten years before.

Yeah. I see that with my peers. It makes sense when most of our "adulting" is on the backend (post-college) rather than the frontend. We moved out on our own dole when we hit 20. That's very rare in some parts of the US now. It did create a major gulf between us and other people our age. I know too many people a little bit older than us who are still trying to move out. I think I read recently that more people are moving towards multi-generational homes... and so there's homes now being built with secondary kitchens/living room, etc.

There's just nothing funny to say about Trump anymore, all the "good" homes had already been done to death about two years ago. It's just tiresome when all jokes seem to be TRUMP LOL, surely even lefties can see that.

As for me, I've never been particularly left-leaning. Might be because I was raised with two working parents with a "want something? earn it" attitude, I dunno

Which current comedians are you thinking of?

Steven Crowder is fairly amusing, and he doesn't make racist jokes.

Yeah, I think the problem with most of the Trump jokes is they are often self-referential. The punch-line is usually an afterthought as they're mainly inside jokes, so the comedians tend to think it is funnier than it really is. The viewer is not necessarily "in" on the joke.

Everyone can relate to being screamed at by people on the internet, for instance. Or accosted with new-fangled buzzwords by total strangers who don't share their view. Or having to "conform" to a silly policy that seems like a blatant conflict...

Crowder is OK, though I think his act is struggling atm after losing some of his main people. Another guy I recommend listening to is Adam Carolla. He's a Libertarian iirc.

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Bill Maher is genuinely very funny even if I don't agree with some of his opinions. He will chew out his own left-wing audience sometimes when he thinks they're being stupid. And he welcomes all kinds of folk onto his show.

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[Jack_]

I watched it, it was sh!t.

I did it was totally unfunny, he is a very poor comedian hence why he is not rated

He didn’t lie though!

[Oliver_W]

He didn’t lie though!
What was the gist? I'm not a fan of standup in general (unless it's Lee Mack or Jimmy Carr) so don't wanna sit through five minutes of it...

[Marsh.]

You start getting less idealistic and more realistic when you hit 30 I reckon. And all our young people on here are hurtling towards being the "older generation" SO much faster than they all realise. When you suddenly discover that you didn't know as much as you imagined you did ten years before.

Translation: I'm right and everyone else are idiots. I'm older and wiser.

[Marsh.]

Might be because I was raised with two working parents with a "want something? earn it" attitude, I dunno

Simplistic and silly view of left-leaning if this is the first thing you think of as an example of your right-leaning political views.

[Oliver_W]

Simplistic and silly view of left-leaning if this is the first thing you think of as an example of your right-leaning political views.

I lean right on practically every issue, but that was just a possibility for part of it.

[Marsh.]

I lean right on practically every issue, but that was just a possibility for part of it.

Yes, it was the one thing you highlighted to illustrate your right-leaning views. That was the point of my comment on it.

[Twosugars]

I lean right on practically every issue, but that was just a possibility for part of it.

would that include equal rights for homosexuals re. marriage for example?

[Oliver_W]

would that include equal rights for homosexuals re. marriage for example?

That's not a left wing thing anymore, no-one cares. The Tories legalised gay marriage in the UK, for instance.

I support gay marriage, but no Church should be forced to carry them out if they don't want to.

[Twosugars]

That's not a left wing thing anymore, no-one cares. The Tories legalised gay marriage in the UK, for instance.

I support gay marriage, but no Church should be forced to carry them out if they don't want to.
you said you've always been right leaning so was your position out of step in the past or it evolved with say, tory party?
No one cares here, but there's plenty that do in the us and other places.

[Oliver_W]

you said you've always been right leaning so was your position out of step in the past or it evolved with say, tory party?
No one cares here, but there's plenty that do in the us and other places.

I've never thought either way when it comes to gay marriage - it's more of a "yeah, sure, why not" rather than YES!

[Maru]

With the right, I think they are splintering. For instance, Libertarians versus hard-core Conservatives... the hard-core folk will call Libertarians "cucks" for being more pro-bipartisanship, more willing to compromise, just as an example. There's a similar phenomena with the Left, but what's confusing is from the right, they will say "leftists", but only mean the most extreme wing...

Rhetoric is usually inconcise.

[Maru]

Came up in my feed and it's on topic so...

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[Livia]

How patronising.

Maybe you'll feel different once you hit thirty. Can't be long now...

[Livia]

Translation: I'm right and everyone else are idiots. I'm older and wiser.

I am older and wiser than I was in my twenties.

Never called anyone an idiot though.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Translation: I'm older and wiser.

not experience counting for something?

hew knew?

[Tom4784]

Maybe you'll feel different once you hit thirty. Can't be long now...

Your experiences are not universal, Livia.

I actually have conviction in my views so they'll only develop with time, my core values or priorities won't ever likely change when it comes to politics so I won't just magically turn into a tory overnight because I hit 30.

[Marsh.]

not experience counting for something?

hew knew?

That's not what she said. She patronised young people as stupid.

[Marsh.]

I am older and wiser than I was in my twenties.

Never called anyone an idiot though.

Older and wiser than yourself a certain amount of time ago, yes.
But you being older doesn't automatically make you wiser than someone younger than you simply because of your age. That's where this stupid patronisation of the young is ridiculous.

[Cherie]

Maybe you'll feel different once you hit thirty. Can't be long now...

ouch

[Cherie]

That's not what she said. She patronised young people as stupid.

Not really Livia was pointing out that some of your values change when you have more responsibility for instance owning your own home or having a child or being in a well paid job that you worked your arse off to get to

[Marsh.]

Not really Livia was pointing out that some of your values change when you have more responsibility for instance owning your own home or having a child or being in a well paid job that you worked your arse off to get to

Not really. She didn't say "Your values change the more life you experience" she said age automatically makes you more realistic and the young are idealistic.

A broad stroke that doesn't work in practice. As Dezzy said, one person's life experience is not universal.

Age does not always bring with it wisdom.

[Maru]

Not really Livia was pointing out that some of your values change when you have more responsibility for instance owning your own home or having a child or being in a well paid job that you worked your arse off to get to

The only part I would disagree with, and I would say this is more of a minor detail than anything. I don't think "values" necessarily shift. However... our perspectives surrounding different things like finances, laws, can and will change as we get older as we learn more about those things and think bigger picture. Our values may never shift, but our positions may shift when newer facts and life lessons are gained... if that makes more sense.

The younger we are, the smaller picture we tend to see the world, imo. Most of that is out of what is necessity. We have to make do with the tools we have and competing in a tough world, and being younger, we will not have as much useful information "at hand".

[Marsh.]

I don't even think it's about only having a "smaller picture", just that your personal circumstances will naturally shift over a longer lifespan (for better or worse) and therefore your stance on things like finances, laws etc might adapt and develop.

But, I agree, things like morals and values aren't necessarily things that will change with age.

[Maru]

I don't even think it's about only having a "smaller picture", just that your personal circumstances will naturally shift over a longer lifespan (for better or worse) and therefore your stance on things like finances, laws etc might adapt and develop.

But, I agree, things like morals and values aren't necessarily things that will change with age.

Exactly. That'd been pointed out before and that's why I generally agreed when people when it was said that youngun's (in general) will tend to change views as they age. Growing minds also will change in perspective over time in order to adapt to circumstances and better cope. That's the result of overcoming foreign obstacles and (ideally) building character.

I think it's more accurate to say inexperienced people in general (which tends to include younger folk), that it's easier to hold onto an emotional/idealistic viewpoint. My husband does teaching/training and he sees this with people who enter the field. They have really unrealistic expectations with regards to things like crisis management and take-downs. Most people in the public make the same mistakes and tend to be more idealistic towards the solution, because they've never been put in the position to have to handle another human-being in a direct way.

This doesn't suggest though that their views are purely rooted in idealism. (I don't know that's what's being said here?) It's going to be a culmination of things, like environment, upbringing and life experience, etc, like you said. I would say as well those factors are more important in developing perspective than education. For example, when we go into college having already had some life experience, we take our education and then interpret it for more practical means. So I think it matters after that factor.

I know some people in my life who focused only on so-called "book smarts" growing up. They're paying the price later down the line in misery. I think that is part of what leads to some of the depression rates we see. Young people don't know why they're stuck later in life because the experience they have now, it doesn't "click" as well as when they were young. So it's very hard to turn the clock around after a point, our minds are not as "malleable". We become more set in our ways. Absorption is generally better when having experiences to tie things to. So that helps, they can catch up quicker with time, but it's the reason why some people go back really late in their lifes and pick up another major. It's part of why they feel so strongly about relating these "lessons" to the younger generations of now. Because they see how those things can be out of alignment. I can relate to this, actually, because I had a short college stint when I was living with my family. I went back I had moved out of the home and had been working for a while, paying my own way. I absorbed so much more during the second stint, and not only that, but also little nuances the professors were passing on during lecture really hit home with me. The kids were like "ungh"... but man, when they brought up rent... we were paying through the nose, actually, so that hit home fast :laugh:... whereas before I probably would've just been really bored and been like "Shaddup" internally.

But back to your point. To use "values" (like morals) in this context, like you said, is a bit misleading. Most of us establish at a very young age in the West that it is very wrong to murder in cold-blood. We don't suddenly become pro-murder later on simply from the aging process. Usually there would be some pre-conditions, like an anger mgmt issue, for that to be the case. There's other outliers I'm sure, but in general we don't go around killing for fun like GTA. It's not in our desire to be live in a society where we could be murdered either, so that's one pretty easy to uphold.

I really like how joeysteele put this in another thread with regards to politics. I think it applies here with regards to our attitudes with the young... Glad to see he is posting again...

It's always good sharing your and my differing perspectives on politics.
Never think you know less re politics.
Politics is life, it affects all our lives, it's just sad once elected many MPs sidestep that fact and choose to forget same.

[Maru]

I forget that Tim Allen is a comedian. Home Improvement. :love:

Tim Allen: I Like Pissing People Off. And Nothing Does More Than a Very Funny Conservative.
https://www.indiewire.com/2018/11/tim-allen-interview-last-man-standing-politics-kevin-abbott-fox-ratings-1202021308/

How important is it to remind people that this show is about family, not politics?

KA: We always say that we’re a family comedy that has a conservative character at the center who has an interest in the politics of the day. But we are first and foremost a family show.

TA: I’ve always said that, certainly, relationships are politics. The political discourse between a male and female energy is politics. And children, that’s all political stuff. I like to mess around because I’ve been a standup fiery comic for 30 years. And I like pissing people off, and I said there’s nothing, especially in this area, that pisses people off more than a very funny conservative. A smart, funny conservative that takes shots and is certainly self-effacing. The left-wing point of view is so pervasive that they don’t even realize it’s a point of view. It is just a point of view. I think this character likes that, he likes to have another point of view. It makes him sharper and more interesting. But we don’t push it. I don’t think we’ve mentioned pro or con Trump once now.