No Confidence Vote in the PM possible

[arista]

SkyNewsHD reports.


All Whips called to 10 Downing Street


https://news.sky.com/story/live-michael-gove-could-quit-as-theresa-may-refuses-to-ditch-brexit-draft-11555447

[smudgie]

SkyNewsHD reports.


All Whips called to 10 Donwing Street



Something needs to happen.
Changing of the guard I reckon.

[Cherie]

Something needs to happen.
Changing of the guard I reckon.


Nobody will be able to deliver a Brexit that everyone will be happy with, its a no win job so whoever takes over will probably deliver a hard Brexit which will be against the wishes of a huge proportion of the country, its a no win job and I think she has done well, I wasn't a fan but she has been resolute, handing over at this stage to Rabb or Mogg or whoever, nothing will change, half the country will still be unhappy

[MTVN]

A no confidence vote could be the best thing for her. If she wins that then she's guaranteed her position for another year and that new stronger position might help her get the deal through

[bots]

i can see her winning a confidence vote easily

[Crimson Dynamo]

where is Corbyn, anyone seen him?

[Kazanne]

where is Corbyn, anyone seen him?

last time I saw him he was having a go at the PM as usual :hehe:

[reece(:]

Tragique

[bots]

Lord Heseltine believes Theresa May can survive and criticises the Brexiteers who were “in charge”.

He told BBC Radio 4’s World At One: “If I was Theresa May [the thing] that would make me absolutely speechless is that she put the Brexiteers – Boris, David Davis and Liam Fox – in charge for two years, they completely screwed it all up so she had to put in a civil servant to do the job.

“Now that they are on the backbenches, they are festering the discontent, which is of course a direct product of their own incompetence."

[joeysteele]

Actually it wouldn't be good for her to face a challenge, even if she walked it.
It will also be secret voting too.

It could harden the opposition to her and still not resolve getting back any vital votes she needs to get this draft of a dealing agreement passed.

A PM on such an important issue would have lost a fair chunk of status and credibility to have to face a forced vote of no confidence, from her own party, just over 2 years after becoming Prime Minister.

[arista]

Yes some are saying
not enough numbers yet.

So could be on Sunday.

[Underscore]

I have every confidence she will pass a no confidence vote with flying colours. She will pass it and she will come out stronger than she has been for a long time. She's a strong woman with nerves of steel.

[Maru]

If they vote no-confidence, what does that actually do?

[Matthew.]

If they vote no-confidence, what does that actually do?

I think it triggers a new leadership election?

[Maru]

I think it triggers a new leadership election?

Oh. It doesn't do anything in our Congress. It just goes into record and puts additional political pressure. So if I guess if it gets it's a really high number, then the more effective it will be (i.e. bipartisan)...

[Oliver_W]

What's the point though? Haven't the EU basically said there'll be no further changes to the deal?

I wish David Cameron had never stepped down - he was a relatively strong leader with a pretty stable Cabinet, who kept Corbyn looking like a joke and wiping the floor with him at PMQs.

[smudgie]

No deal is better than a bad deal is what we were told by Mrs May.
Let’s see what happens next.

[joeysteele]

I accept totally she got a hard task in negotiating this.
On the other hand she never needed to put herself forward for the leadership in the first place.

I don't condemn David Cameron for walking away.
It may have looked bad but his conviction was, he could not negotiate for something he totally didn't believe in.
That vote in the referendum went against him and all his recommendations to the voters.
So he felt a new person was needed to follow through on it.

While I'm irritated he called the referendum with no conditions in place.
Such as a % size of majority needed or even just 3 Nations of the UK must also vote either remain or leave.

I do though admire him admitting he could not fight for something he didn't believe in as Prime Minister.

This draft agreement, it isn't the trading deal or full final deal yet, only reveals the base on which the full deal will be made on.
This draft agreement is very unlikely to get parliamentary support.
So won't get passed.

Either Mrs May will have to accept that and try for some concessions from the EU.
Or once it's defeated, whatever happens in the next few weeks, she will have only prolonged the inevitable and will see her draft agreement in tatters.

At that time, she will have no answers and even less authority again.
By her bad judgement again, just procrastinating as much as possible on this massively important issue.

[arista]

Some Reports 2 more votes are needed to reach
the 48 number

The PM is live at the CBI now
another speech written by her Civil Servants.

Questions
are now Live



https://news.sky.com/story/live-theresa-may-to-give-hard-hitting-brexit-speech-as-she-awaits-rebellion-tally-11557851

[Livia]

where is Corbyn, anyone seen him?

He's in Iran, I hear. Not nearly far enough.

This is from the Conservative Party Organisation Dept:


Our agreement marks a decisive step forward.

We have agreed in principle the terms of the UK’s smooth and orderly exit from the EU while also agreeing the broad terms of our future relationship as set out in the outline Political Declaration.

This puts us close to a Brexit deal. A deal that takes back control of our borders, our laws and our money while protecting jobs, security and the integrity of our United Kingdom.

It is a deal that brings our country together. A deal that realises the benefits of Brexit and lets us focus on the big domestic issues that face our country.

Although this represents a significant breakthrough, it is not the final deal. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

The Withdrawal Agreement:

● Protects the rights of more than three million EU citizens living in the UK and around one million UK nationals living in the EU.

● Gives us time-limited implementation period that provides a bridge to the future relationship, allowing businesses to continue trading as now until the end of 2020.

● Provides a fair financial settlement for UK taxpayers.

● Ensures no hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, with a UK-wide backstop respecting the constitutional and economic integrity of the UK. This agreement legally commits both sides to use best endeavours to ensure the backstop is never used. If either side fails to do so, this could be referred to an independent arbitration panel.

● This includes a mechanism which either the UK or the EU can trigger to review the arrangements, which could ultimately lead to the backstop ceasing to apply.

The Political Declaration:

● Ends free movement of people and we will have a new skills-based immigration system.

● Provides for a free trade area and deep cooperation on goods, with zero tariffs and quotas.

● Gives the UK the ability to strike trade deals around the world.

● Calls for ambitious arrangements for services and investment, alongside new arrangements on financial services.

● Contains new and specific arrangements on digital, covering a wide-range of areas, reflecting the growth and prominence of global digital trade.

● Ensures the UK will be an independent coastal state, with commitments to ensure sustainable fishing levels and a new fisheries agreement with the EU.

● Ensures the UK will be outside the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy.

● Provides for open and fair competition, in line with the overall economic relationship with commitments by both the UK and the EU on state aid, employment and environmental standards, and relevant tax matters.

● Commits to comprehensive and close reciprocal law enforcement and judicial cooperation to keep people safe.

● A close and flexible partnership of foreign policy and defence.

The country faces a stark set of choices: this deal, no deal or no Brexit at all. I firmly believe that this agreement puts the country on a path towards a good deal that is in that national interest and can put the divisions of the referendum behind us.

I have to say... it looks okay, doesn't it? How much better are we going to do bearing in mind that the EU boys don't intend giving us anything they don't have to.

[bots]

He's in Iran, I hear. Not nearly far enough.

This is from the Conservative Party Organisation Dept:


Our agreement marks a decisive step forward.

We have agreed in principle the terms of the UK’s smooth and orderly exit from the EU while also agreeing the broad terms of our future relationship as set out in the outline Political Declaration.

This puts us close to a Brexit deal. A deal that takes back control of our borders, our laws and our money while protecting jobs, security and the integrity of our United Kingdom.

It is a deal that brings our country together. A deal that realises the benefits of Brexit and lets us focus on the big domestic issues that face our country.

Although this represents a significant breakthrough, it is not the final deal. Nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

The Withdrawal Agreement:

● Protects the rights of more than three million EU citizens living in the UK and around one million UK nationals living in the EU.

● Gives us time-limited implementation period that provides a bridge to the future relationship, allowing businesses to continue trading as now until the end of 2020.

● Provides a fair financial settlement for UK taxpayers.

● Ensures no hard border between Northern Ireland and Ireland, with a UK-wide backstop respecting the constitutional and economic integrity of the UK. This agreement legally commits both sides to use best endeavours to ensure the backstop is never used. If either side fails to do so, this could be referred to an independent arbitration panel.

● This includes a mechanism which either the UK or the EU can trigger to review the arrangements, which could ultimately lead to the backstop ceasing to apply.

The Political Declaration:

● Ends free movement of people and we will have a new skills-based immigration system.

● Provides for a free trade area and deep cooperation on goods, with zero tariffs and quotas.

● Gives the UK the ability to strike trade deals around the world.

● Calls for ambitious arrangements for services and investment, alongside new arrangements on financial services.

● Contains new and specific arrangements on digital, covering a wide-range of areas, reflecting the growth and prominence of global digital trade.

● Ensures the UK will be an independent coastal state, with commitments to ensure sustainable fishing levels and a new fisheries agreement with the EU.

● Ensures the UK will be outside the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy.

● Provides for open and fair competition, in line with the overall economic relationship with commitments by both the UK and the EU on state aid, employment and environmental standards, and relevant tax matters.

● Commits to comprehensive and close reciprocal law enforcement and judicial cooperation to keep people safe.

● A close and flexible partnership of foreign policy and defence.

The country faces a stark set of choices: this deal, no deal or no Brexit at all. I firmly believe that this agreement puts the country on a path towards a good deal that is in that national interest and can put the divisions of the referendum behind us.

I have to say... it looks okay, doesn't it? How much better are we going to do bearing in mind that the EU boys don't intend giving us anything they don't have to.

i agree, and am of the mind that this is a far better outcome than a no deal. It's becoming a bit tiresome when mp's are out there now trying to score political points rather than considering the good of the country. I know how I will be voting next time, if my MP doesn't vote for the deal.

[Beastie]

Brexit is not happening guys.

[Niamh.]

Sorry for taking the piss but I saw this posted on Fb and I thought it was funny :fan:

Rubberbandits
Yesterday at 12:02 ·
Brexit feels like when a lad goes on Facebook and says “If I can get 10k likes I’ll eat a bowl of my own ****”. So then he gets 10k likes & proceeds to do it without protest or appeal because looking like a man of his word is whats most important.. While **** dribbles down his chin

[arista]

Brexit is not happening guys.



As Complex as it is
you can not say that with Authority,
yet, that it is not going to happen

[arista]

Sorry for taking the piss but I saw this posted on Fb and I thought it was funny :fan:

Rubberbandits
Yesterday at 12:02 ·
Brexit


No that's Typical Facebook Trash Talk

[arista]

"Our agreement marks a decisive step forward."

Yes Livia
the vote is not until December
first week,
more need to read it all.

And for Labour's 6 Tests
number 2 of 6 is a impossibility, no one could get that
2. Does it deliver the “exact same benefits” as we currently have as members of the Single Market and Customs Union?