Phrases like 'bringing home the bacon' will go out of fashion as veganism grows, says

[Redway]

https://www.facebook.com/164665060214766/posts/2537365462944702/

[Beastie]

Bring home the lettuce :laugh:

[Smithy]

I doubt it very much, but I whatever gives people the opportunity to rant about how much people hate vegans I guess

[Alf]

Veganism is for people who are easily brainwashed into guilt.

[Oliver_W]

As much as I think a good BLT would cure people of any veganism nonsense, phrases fall in and out of use all the time, and I doubt it's caused by minor eating habits.

[montblanc]

why do people have such a problem towards veganism :skull:

[RileyH]

How silly

[Niamh.]

why do people have such a problem towards veganism :skull:It's a bit odd

[Redway]

why do people have such a problem towards veganism :skull:

Two words: weak and sentimentality.

Not to mention intolerant and all-imposing.

[Marsh.]

It's already a dated term anyway. Who actually uses it?

[RileyH]

am bringin home t'bacon :hugesmile:

[Elliot]

am bringing home t'vegan meat substitute :hugesmile:

[Marsh.]

Am bringin' home t'scurvy!

[Denver]

Am bringin' home t'James McVey!

[Scoot]

Kay did THAT :clap1:

[Elliot]

Am bringin' home t'James McVey!

please do so we don't have to see him on iac anymore

[Mystic Mock]

Am bringin' home t'James McVey!

Has Cannibalism been made legal?

[Mystic Mock]

And we all know that bringing home the Sweetcorn would be the better saying.:dance:

[JerseyWins]

Bring home the lettuce :laugh:
Technically this phrase works out better anyway IMO since it's green

[Crimson Dynamo]

so one man says that a phrase in the english language will go eventually out of date?


well i will go to the foot of my stairs

[hijaxers]

https://www.facebook.com/164665060214766/posts/2537365462944702/

When was the last time you heard someone say that anyway !

Pathetic excuse to get in the news yet again.

[Kazanne]

Veganism is for people who are easily brainwashed into guilt.

I was never brainwashed Alf,I have been a veggie since I was 13, I was not coerced by parents ,friends etc,I decided for myself I did not want to eat meat, lots of family and friends eat it's no problem for me.

[user104658]

I don't think I've ever heard anyone use that phrase in real life anyway?

[user104658]

I did hear someone shout "Daddy needs a new pair of shoes!" unironically at a horse race though. That was a good day.

[Scoot]

I was never brainwashed Alf,I have been a veggie since I was 13, I was not coerced by parents ,friends etc,I decided for myself I did not want to eat meat, lots of family and friends eat it's no problem for me.

:love:
I’ve been vegetarian for nearly 4 years now and it was not influenced by others but rather just something I wanted to do.

I’m never offended by friends eating meat around me.

[GoldHeart]

So ridiculous and once again going OTT :facepalm:

[Niamh.]

Two words: weak and sentimentality.

Not to mention intolerant and all-imposing.

Eh? odd odd odd

[Kazanne]

:love:
I’ve been vegetarian for nearly 4 years now and it was not influenced by others but rather just something I wanted to do.

I’m never offended by friends eating meat around me.

That's good Scoot,it's just a lifestyle choice by many.

[GoldHeart]

Everyone should respect people's diet & food lifestyle.

I don't like how meat eaters get guilt tripped & bullied into stop eating meat . And it's equally wrong for meat eaters to insult & torment vegans.

[Livia]

This is either a made-up story to get everyone talking about veganism... which has worked... or it's being presented by "an academic" who doesn't know much about the English language. Language changes all the time and we still use loads of archaic sayings. How many phrases introduced by Shakespeare are still used today... My mind's eye, green-eyed monster, seen better days, cruel to be kind, own flesh and blood... and of course wild goose chase - although the vegans ain't gonna like that one...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Makes me laugh that I bet when a Vegan gets ill they would be first on the phone to call for a Hambulance


:bored:

[Livia]

Makes me laugh that I bet when a Vegan gets ill they would be first on the phone to call for a Hambulance


:bored:

LOL.... then groan... then LOL again.

[Kazanne]

Makes me laugh that I bet when a Vegan gets ill they would be first on the phone to call for a Hambulance


:bored:

I'll have you know I wont mince my words,I will be throwing you out this joint if you carry on with your bull****:wavey:

[Livia]

Oh Kaz... don't know who's worse, you or Trumpet!

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'll have you know I wont mince my words,I will be throwing you out this joint if you carry on with your bull****:wavey:

oh, you are offal

[Kazanne]

oh, you are offal

you do talk a load of tripe LT:laugh:

[Kazanne]

Oh Kaz... don't know who's worse, you or Trumpet!

Definitely Trumpet Livia,there is no hope for him:wavey:

[bots]

wonder whats next for the chop, i kidney be bothered

[Kazanne]

wonder whats next for the chop, i kidney be bothered

lol,c'mon you lily livered piece of meat,step up.:wavey:

[Gusto Brunt]

Why not just ban bacon and be done with it. :smug:

[arista]

Why not just ban bacon and be done with it. :smug:

Its a mega market
do not buy it - if you do not want it

[Alf]

Piers Morgan has just destroyed ex CBB housemate Liz Jones on the topic of veganism.

She wants to make veganism a religion, Piers just showed up the hypocrisy of her and after she said that humans are the most dangerous animals, Piers asked her if she thought human kind should be wiped out? She didn't deny it.

A cat lady full of hate for humans.

[Elliot]

she said that humans are the most dangerous animals.

she really isn't wrong

[user104658]

There's no objective argument for humans NOT being the most dangerous animal by an absolutely massive margin? Both individually and as a group. As an individual, an intelligent, resourceful human can kill literally any other animal without getting a scratch on themself. As a group, no other animal could destroy the planet, humans as a collective are definitely going to.

And while "wiped out" is a bit extreme, the best thing for life on planet earth would be for the human population to be reduced by 95% and never increase past that level.

If that doesn't happen, the earth will be a mostly dead rock within the millennium.

And I'm saying that as an out and proud bacon gobbler :smug:

[Scoot]

Lmao the earth is literally getting closer and closer to death's door and you literally can't blame anything BUT humans.

[Alf]

There's no objective argument for humans NOT being the most dangerous animal by an absolutely massive margin? Both individually and as a group. As an individual, an intelligent, resourceful human can kill literally any other animal without getting a scratch on themself. As a group, no other animal could destroy the planet, humans as a collective are definitely going to.

And while "wiped out" is a bit extreme, the best thing for life on planet earth would be for the human population to be reduced by 95% and never increase past that level.

If that doesn't happen, the earth will be a mostly dead rock within the millennium.

And I'm saying that as an out and proud bacon gobbler :smug:Do you have any ideas which 5% you don't want to face genocide, or does everyone just get a ticket in a raffle?

[Kazanne]

Piers Morgan has just destroyed ex CBB housemate Liz Jones on the topic of veganism.

She wants to make veganism a religion, Piers just showed up the hypocrisy of her and after she said that humans are the most dangerous animals, Piers asked her if she thought human kind should be wiped out? She didn't deny it.

A cat lady full of hate for humans.

humans are by far the most dangerous animal on earth Alf,have you seen what they have done to it? even when we are told something is in danger and destroying the planet,what do we do ? not a lot,we are a greedy,selfish species imo,but to want veganism as a religion is silly,and I say that as a veggie myself,,we have enough problems with the religions we have got.

[Alf]

humans are by far the most dangerous animal on earth Alf,have you seen what they have done to it? even when we are told something is in danger and destroying the planet,what do we do ? not a lot,we are a greedy,selfish species imo,but to want veganism as a religion is silly,and I say that as a veggie myself,,we have enough problems with the religions we have got.I don't think the Impala and zebra's would agree with you, nor the meerkats and penguins.

[Niamh.]

There's no objective argument for humans NOT being the most dangerous animal by an absolutely massive margin? Both individually and as a group. As an individual, an intelligent, resourceful human can kill literally any other animal without getting a scratch on themself. As a group, no other animal could destroy the planet, humans as a collective are definitely going to.

And while "wiped out" is a bit extreme, the best thing for life on planet earth would be for the human population to be reduced by 95% and never increase past that level.

If that doesn't happen, the earth will be a mostly dead rock within the millennium.

And I'm saying that as an out and proud bacon gobbler :smug:

Absolutely. People seem to get very defensive when it comes to vegetarians and vegans, like they need to prove they're wrong somehow to make themselves feel better, it's really odd, atleast own it, like you do.

[Withano]

There's no objective argument for humans NOT being the most dangerous animal by an absolutely massive margin? Both individually and as a group. As an individual, an intelligent, resourceful human can kill literally any other animal without getting a scratch on themself. As a group, no other animal could destroy the planet, humans as a collective are definitely going to.

And while "wiped out" is a bit extreme, the best thing for life on planet earth would be for the human population to be reduced by 95% and never increase past that level.

If that doesn't happen, the earth will be a mostly dead rock within the millennium.

And I'm saying that as an out and proud bacon gobbler :smug:

I agree, but if the world turned vegan tomorrow, the planet will die even sooner. Probably within the next ten years... all the factories we’d have to build to make the vegan food just is less sustainable for the planet.

A mass cull of humans is the only answer. I nominate brexiteers to be first for the cut :hee:

[Alf]

I agree, but if the world turned vegan tomorrow, the planet will die even sooner. Probably within the next ten years... all the factories we’d have to build to make the vegan food just is less sustainable for the planet.

A mass cull of humans is the only answer. I nominate brexiteers to be first for the cut :hee:The answers always genocide with you lefties.

[Withano]

The answers always genocide with you lefties.

:dance:

[Livia]

Do you have any ideas which 5% you don't want to face genocide, or does everyone just get a ticket in a raffle?

I think there should be a TiBB committee to decide. I'd happy to chair it.

[user104658]

Do you have any ideas which 5% you don't want to face genocide, or does everyone just get a ticket in a raffle?

Well for one, it's irrelevant "which 5%". For two, it isn't genocide if it isn't race or culture specific (it has to be targetted to be genocide, by definition). For three, you don't necessarily have to kill anyone to reduce population, you just have to stop reproducing.

[user104658]

humans are by far the most dangerous animal on earth Alf,have you seen what they have done to it? even when we are told something is in danger and destroying the planet,what do we do ? not a lot,we are a greedy,selfish species imo,but to want veganism as a religion is silly,and I say that as a veggie myself,,we have enough problems with the religions we have got.

To be fair, ALL species are greedy and selfish, that's not really something different about us or what's causing us to ruin the world. In fact, humans on the whole are far less greedy and selfish than most species, as we're the only ones with advanced empathy.

The problem with humans is that we're intelligent and skilled and therefore far too good at being greedy and selfish... and too good at adapting, surviving and reproducing. That's what makes us really dangerous.

[Livia]

Humans have a capacity for cruelty not seen in the animal kingdom. There are only a handful of species that will kill you and not eat you. Humans torture and kill animals every day, in every country of the world... not for food, for fun.

[user104658]

Humans have a capacity for cruelty not seen in the animal kingdom. There are only a handful of species that will kill you and not eat you. Humans torture and kill animals every day, in every country of the world... not for food, for fun.

For "sport" which is an unfortunate by-product of intelligence and boredom. Sports (including blood sports) originated as practice, for hunting and for warfare, just like for other animals e.g. all species of cats engage in blood sports (killing for thrills and not eating the prey) but it's not actually for fun. They keep hunting and killing even when they don't actually want or need to eat, so that they'll maintain the skills needed to hunt and kill effectively when they DO need them. I don't think my cat has EVER eaten a mouse, but her campaign against the local mice is sustained and brutal :umm2:.

I'm not saying that I agree with hunting for sport - I don't, and I think humans at this point are advanced enough that we should know better (and most people do) but I think the urge to do it, on an instinctual level, is understandable and not necessarily borne of cruelty. Obviously there are some people who are just genuinely and deliberately cruel, but again, I would suggest that the reason most animals aren't "cruel" in the same way is that cruelty involves a more advanced set of emotions and motivations that most animal species just don't have... and if they evolved to the same level of intelligence as humans, it's inevitable that some of them WOULD be cruel, too.

[Livia]

We've infested this planet, filled the ocean up with plastic in just 50-odd years... we never learn from our mistakes and if Nature doesn't find a way to wipe at least some of us out, our future is doomed. People won't slow reproduction, they'll say "It's my right to have a child"... and the poor, uneducated people will still reproduce while the richer, more educated people won't. It's a nightmarish scenario and I have no idea if we'll ever be able to do enough to claw back some kind of future.

[Kazanne]

We've infested this planet, filled the ocean up with plastic in just 50-odd years... we never learn from our mistakes and if Nature doesn't find a way to wipe at least some of us out, our future is doomed. People won't slow reproduction, they'll say "It's my right to have a child"... and the poor, uneducated people will still reproduce while the richer, more educated people won't. It's a nightmarish scenario and I have no idea if we'll ever be able to do enough to claw back some kind of future.

Spill that tea sis,:hehe::laugh::wavey:

[Redway]

Absolutely. People seem to get very defensive when it comes to vegetarians and vegans, like they need to prove they're wrong somehow to make themselves feel better, it's really odd, atleast own it, like you do.

Part of it’s down to the attitudes of vegans themselves and their hate for all things meat. I’m yet to come across a vegan who doesn’t rub it in your face.

[Redway]

To all the cat and dog lovers on this thread - would you honestly save an animal life over a human life? If the answer’s no then there’s your answer re. which life form is superior. Capable of cruelty or not.

[Niamh.]

Part of it’s down to the attitudes of vegans themselves and their hate for all things meat. I’m yet to come across a vegan who doesn’t rub it in your face.

How would you know they were vegan if they didn't mention it? :think:

[Redway]

How would you know they were vegan if they didn't mention it? :think:

I think you got my point.

[Niamh.]

To all the cat and dog lovers on this thread - would you honestly save an animal life over a human life? If the answer’s no then there’s your answer re. which life form is superior. Capable of cruelty or not.

It's not actually answering which life form is more superior, why did you reach that conclusion?

[Niamh.]

I think you got my point.

No I didn't. Obviously the ones that didn't "rub it in your face" probably wouldn't have even mentioned it so you wouldn't even know, most people don't actually talk about what they eat unless the topic comes up like on here or you're in a restaurant :/

[Redway]

It's not actually answering which life form is more superior, why did you reach that conclusion?

Why did I reach the conclusion that humans are the superior life form? Not being funny but are you serious?

[Redway]

No I didn't. Obviously the ones that didn't "rub it in your face" probably wouldn't have even mentioned it so you wouldn't even know, most people don't actually talk about what they eat unless the topic comes up like on here or you're in a restaurant :/

You can go all literal on me but you knew what I meant. My personal anecdotes don’t need to be quantified to a T because you disagree with them.

[Niamh.]

Why did I reach the conclusion that humans are the superior life form? Not being funny but are you serious?

Why do you start threads if your answer to everything is "you know what I mean" or "are you being serious?" if you don't want to discuss points you make on a forum, why even bother saying them?

Yes I'm being serious.

You can go all literal on me but you knew what I meant. My personal anecdotes don’t need to be quantified to a T because you disagree with them.

Here we go again with "you know what I mean" ffs Just ignore the pretty valid point I made then because it doesn't suit you.

[Redway]

Why do you start threads if your answer to everything is "you know what I mean" or "are you being serious?" if you don't want to discuss points you make on a forum, why even bother saying them?

Yes I'm being serious.



Here we go again with "you know what I mean" ffs Just ignore the pretty valid point I made then because it doesn't suit you.

And what point were you trying to make?

[Niamh.]

And what point were you trying to make?

Did you not read my post?

The point I was making was How would you know you were talking to a vegan unless they told you that they were vegans? You said every vegan you met "rubbed it in your face" so basically that's how you knew they were vegans, most people don't bring up their diets in ordinary circumstances, so you could have have been talking to plenty who didn't rub it in your face.

As an anecdote, my sons Karate teacher is vegan, I've known him for years, been on trips away with him and the group for competitions, I only found out a couple of months ago that he was vegan because my son mentioned it because he literally never spoke about it whenever I met him..because people don't usually talk about what they eat in normal life unless the topic specifically arises.

[Redway]

Did you not read my post?

The point I was making was How would you know you were talking to a vegan unless they told you they were the were vegans? You said every vegan you met "rubbed it in your face" so basically that's how you knew they were vegans, most people don't bring up their diets in ordinary circumstances, so you could have have been talking to plenty who didn't rub it in your face.

As an anecdote, my sons Karate teacher is vegan, I've known him for years, been on trips away with him and the group for competitions, I only found out a couple of months ago that he was vegan because my son mentioned it because he literally never spoke about it whenever I met him..because people don't usually talk about what they eat in normal life unless the topic specifically arises.

Imagine if I flipped my own personal anecdote the other way round and said the vast majority of vegans are tolerant of meat eaters and non-imposing. Would you still be asking how I could make such a broad generalisation about vegans without knowing the food status of everyone unless it specifically came up in conversation?

[Niamh.]

Imagine if I flipped my own personal anecdote the other way round and said the vast majority of vegans are tolerant of meat eaters and non-imposing. Would you still be asking how I could make such a broad generalisation about vegans without knowing the food status of everyone unless it specifically came up in conversation?

I probably wouldn't because it's not a nasty, inflammatory statement to make about a group of people. That's not to say it would be more correct than what you did actually say though.

[Redway]

I probably wouldn't because it's not a nasty, inflammatory statement to make about a group of people. That's not to say it would be more correct than what you did actually say though.

I don’t remember saying anything overly nasty about vegans.

[Niamh.]

I don’t remember saying anything overly nasty about vegans.

Let me remind you :

Two words: weak and sentimentality.

Not to mention intolerant and all-imposing.

[Redway]

Yup. I won’t deny that I think veganism’s rooted in weak sentimentality for the most part. Like I’ve already said. Or that too big a number of vegans are intolerant and all-imposing on meat and dairy consumers.

I still don’t see how that’s overly nasty towards vegans specifically though. Maybe because I’m not ultra-PC about describing movements like veganism or on the lookout to take offense from meat eaters at the drop of a hat.

[Niamh.]

Yup. I won’t deny that I think veganism’s rooted in weak sentimentality for the most part. Like I’ve already said. Or that too big a number of vegans are intolerant and all-imposing on meat and dairy consumers.

I still don’t see how that’s overly nasty towards vegans specifically though. Maybe because I’m not ultra-PC about describing movements like veganism or on the lookout to take offense from meat eaters at the drop of a hat.

You don't think calling a whole group of people weak, intolerant and all-imposing based on their diet because of a few people you've met is nasty? Bloody hell, banging my head off a brick wall here then, clearly.

What I actually find hilarious is some (not all of course ;) ) meat eaters reactions to vegetarians and vegans, it's ultra defensive even alot of times when people just say they're either vegan or vegetarian, no preaching just stating the fact that they are. It's really weird.

No idea what "PC" has to do with this conversation at all btw

[Twosugars]

by and large, I admire vegans and vegetarians, tho still not convinced it is an optimal diet considering humans are omnivores by design
a time will come (the sooner the better) when we will able to grow meat in vats on industrial scale; it will be identical to live animal meat
when that happens people of the future will look back at slaughtering animals for food as barbaric

[Tom4784]

You don't think calling a whole group of people weak, intolerant and all-imposing based on their diet because of a few people you've met is nasty? Bloody hell, banging my head off a brick wall here then, clearly.

What I actually find hilarious is some (not all of course ;) ) meat eaters reactions to vegetarians and vegans, it's ultra defensive even alot of times when people just say they're either vegan or vegetarian, no preaching just stating the fact that they are. It's really weird.

No idea what "PC" has to do with this conversation at all btw

PC is just a catch-all term at this point that's used by people incapable of arguing their points properly so they'll just accuse something they dislike of being 'PC' or 'Political' to try to discredit it without the effort.

Pure laziness.

[Twosugars]

re. overpopulation
I heard somewhere (ri xmas lectures I think) that reproduction rates are already falling, even in the 3rd world
but the way demographic pyramid curve works we are in for an increase in numbers this century and only then it will start falling, we're set to reach ~10-11 bln before that happens
...wish I remembered how it worked bc it was illuminating...

[Redway]

PC is just a catch-all term at this point that's used by people incapable of arguing their points properly so they'll just accuse something they dislike of being 'PC' or 'Political' to try to discredit it without the effort.

Pure laziness.

Nothing about my posts up there wasn’t backed up well enough on a personal level. I didn’t know I had to swear by an oath of pedancicity just to express an opinion someone doesn’t like.

[Niamh.]

by and large, I admire vegans and vegetarians, tho still not convinced it is an optimal diet considering humans are omnivores by design
a time will come (the sooner the better) when we will able to grow meat in vats on industrial scale; it will be identical to live animal meat
when that happens people of the future will look back at slaughtering animals for food as barbaric

Apparently, certain blood groups suit being veggie(A) and certain suit eating meat (O) and B apparently is good with both. I've not actually looked into that very much though so I'm not sure how scientific it is

[Tom4784]

Nothing about my posts up there wasn’t backed up well enough on a personal level. I didn’t know I had to swear by an oath of pedancicity just to express an opinion someone doesn’t like.

I wasn't actually referring to you, I was responding to Niamh's point about this not being a political issue.

[Twosugars]

PC is just a catch-all term at this point that's used by people incapable of arguing their points properly so they'll just accuse something they dislike of being 'PC' or 'Political' to try to discredit it without the effort.

Pure laziness.

yup, same as virtue-signalling :laugh:
you can't show any positive feelings and thoughts like empathy, understanding or tolerance bc that's virtue-signalling
you can't actually possess any virtues, it's all just virtue-signalling
suppose people like Jesus, Buddha or Gandhi made virtue-signalling their full time occupation :shrug: lefty bastards

[Niamh.]

yup, same as virtue-signalling :laugh:
you can't show any positive feelings and thoughts like empathy, understanding or tolerance bc that's virtue-signalling
you can't actually possess any virtues, it's all just virtue-signalling
suppose people like Jesus, Buddha or Gandhi made virtue-signalling their full time occupation :shrug: lefty bastards

Oh or any man agreeing that something is sexist towards women is a "white knight"...not just someone who's not an asshole......... :laugh:

[Redway]

This thread’s made me crave a steak and cheese sandwich from Subway.

[user104658]

This thread’s made me crave a steak and cheese sandwich from Subway.

I thought you said you liked meat?

[Redway]

I thought you said you liked meat?

And steak’s not a type of meat?

[user104658]

And steak’s not a type of meat?Not from Subway it isn't.

[hijaxers]

Apparently, certain blood groups suit being veggie(A) and certain suit eating meat (O) and B apparently is good with both. I've not actually looked into that very much though so I'm not sure how scientific it is

There is a book on that subject called Eat right for your blood group or something like that ! Most people don't even know what blood group they are.

I'm B neg

[user104658]

Well it says Type O (which I am) should eat high protein and avoid grains, which is historically the diet I function best on (but I love carbs :bawling: ).

However that's anecdotal and there's no real evidence at all that blood-type-diets are real and not just baseless naturopath nonsense :joker:.

[Redway]

Not from Subway it isn't.

Lamest joke of the year. Well done.

[user104658]

Lamest joke of the year. Well done.

It's not a joke...

[Niamh.]

There is a book on that subject called Eat right for your blood group or something like that ! Most people don't even know what blood group they are.

I'm B neg

Yeah I only found out my own blood group when I was pregnant, I'm A+ so veggie diet should suit me according to that

Well it says Type O (which I am) should eat high protein and avoid grains, which is historically the diet I function best on (but I love carbs :bawling: ).

However that's anecdotal and there's no real evidence at all that blood-type-diets are real and not just baseless naturopath nonsense :joker:.

Yeah, I haven't really looked into it and whether or not there's any truth to it

[Redway]

It's not a joke...

All the steak and chicken tikka I’ve been eating from Subway obviously wasn’t real meat then.

You’re not funny.

[armand.kay]

this is one of the resons why PETA's post really pissed me off people are now looking at this and putting this mess on all of vegasm. Let it be clear that when peta made they post they were dragged by everyone vegans, non vegans, people who don't eat....

another thing that pissed me off is that this is just another in many of peta's borderline rascist tweets in which they liken black and jewish peoples experiances to what animals are going through....They've been called out on it so many times but keep doing it. As a black vegan I don't claim them, I mean they routinely murder a bunch of animals themselves though....