Avengers Endgame (contains spoilers)

[Scarlett.]

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[Tony Montana]

Perched!!!!! Fantastic Trailer

[Scarlett.]

I really hope it lives up to Infinity War, it looks good from the trailer

[Tony Montana]

I really hope it lives up to Infinity War, it looks good from the trailer

I have no doubt in my mind it will top it

It’s gonna be the Greatest Comic Book Of all time

[Tom4784]

It was decent for a first trailer but I feel a bit muted towards it tbh, there wasn't no big hook to it to get me hyped.

[Smithy]

I get they want to keep a lot of the plot under wraps, but i honestly just found the trailer boring lol

[Marsh.]

Is that the super secret title? Endgame?

https://i.imgur.com/yvOsoGD.gif

[Strictly Jake]

I haven't even seen infinity war yet. These superhero films don't stop coming out

[Oliver_W]

I hope Tony survives,but I'm really looking forward to the DCEU dying!!

[Brother Leon]

The trailer was never going to be as epic as the Infinity War ones for obvious reasons. I think it was designed to just portray the depression and desperation and it done that.

[Toy Soldier]

I think it's a great trailer, it really shows the bleak situation they're in post-infinity war. It would spoil the inevitable "comeback" if they showed them haply and triumphant in a trailer... And I'm not watching any more incase they do :hmph:.

[Scoot]

I’m still hyped for the movie but this trailer really did nothing for me. :shrug:

[RileyH]

Hawkeye :love:

[Tony Montana]

Hawkeye :love:

He's Ronin Now

[Tony Montana]

Second Trailer! It's even better than the first tbh

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[Oliver_W]

This is gonna sound weird but does anyone else think in the thumbnail, Thor looks like an older version of the guy who plays Jake from Animorphs/Iceman from X-Men?

[James]

New trailer.

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[Tony Montana]

Before I watch the trailer, is Captain Marvel featured? I’m watching her film on Friday and I don’t want there to be spoilers in that trailer

[James]

Before I watch the trailer, is Captain Marvel featured? I’m watching her film on Friday and I don’t want there to be spoilers in that trailer

Yeah, at the end for a little bit.

[Tom4784]

Bit of a weak trailer tbh.

[Tony Montana]

Yeah, at the end for a little bit.

That’s good to know. I’ll wait until tomorrow after I’ve seen CM

[Wizard.]

Where's daddy Thanos

[Tom4784]

That’s good to know. I’ll wait until tomorrow after I’ve seen CM

It's nothing spoilery, I don't think.

[Oliver_W]

Half of it looks like a fantrailer tbh

[Toy Soldier]

It's nothing spoilery, I don't think.Yeah

Caz and the ol' Thor have a light flirt. Hammer euphemism is employed.

[Toy Soldier]

Oh I just noticed something in this that might answer a question people have had...

It looks like Stormbreaker has a new handle here? :bawling:. So Groot's arm did turn to dust with the rest of him, I'm guessing. People had been wondering about how that would work since Infinity War.

[Tony Montana]

Yeah, at the end for a little bit.

It's nothing spoilery, I don't think.

Thanks James and Dezzy. I did try to avoid it for as long as I can, and planned to watch it after CM. Although when I was at the cinema finally watching CM last week, which film comes up first in the trailers? Avengers:Endgame :laugh: :laugh:

I decided to just watch it there and then. It was good, Marvel really don't wanna show too much. The end between Captain Marvel and Thor was brilliant.

I'd 100% ship them

[Tony Montana]

There are two new posters. I've spoiled them due to how large they are

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[Oliver_W]

I honestly wouldn't mind if all the snapped people stayed dead, and Far From Home was set before the Snapture. But then I'm conflicted - I want more Spidey, but we can't bring back just one snapped person!

I'm glad Guardians 3 is going ahead, I'd love Thor to join them, he'd be a good fit.

[Tony Montana]

The film is confirmed for 3 hours. This has just made my ****ing day :dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

https://www.gamesradar.com/avengers-endgame-runtime/

[Oliver_W]

This is random but did anyone else think of the scene with the Gunguns v Battle Droids from Phantom Menace during the Wakanda battle in Infinity War?

[Tony Montana]

I honestly wouldn't mind if all the snapped people stayed dead, and Far From Home was set before the Snapture. But then I'm conflicted - I want more Spidey, but we can't bring back just one snapped person!

I'm glad Guardians 3 is going ahead, I'd love Thor to join them, he'd be a good fit.

I actually think FFH was set before IW.

[Tony Montana]

This is random but did anyone else think of the scene with the Gunguns v Battle Droids from Phantom Menace during the Wakanda battle in Infinity War?

Yeah that immediately sprung to mind for me. I think they may have been influenced by it.

[Tony Montana]

I'm glad Endgame is 3 hrs long, 2 hrs wouldn't do justice to it

[Toy Soldier]

I'm glad Endgame is 3 hrs long, 2 hrs wouldn't do justice to it

Yeah but it's going to cost me a fortune in fizzy cola bottles. I might need to go to Tesco pick'n'mix instead of the cinema one.

[Tony Montana]

Yeah but it's going to cost me a fortune in fizzy cola bottles. I might need to go to Tesco pick'n'mix instead of the cinema one.

Lol my wallet will probably be empty after the film is finished. I'm gonna be buying loads of food :cheer2::dance:

[Oliver_W]

Yeah but it's going to cost me a fortune in fizzy cola bottles. I might need to go to Tesco pick'n'mix instead of the cinema one.

As it's over three hours, I'll need an empty jar and a blanket if I'm taking in fizzy drinks!

[LukeB]

Yeah but it's going to cost me a fortune in fizzy cola bottles. I might need to go to Tesco pick'n'mix instead of the cinema one.

I will be taking 2 or 3 packs of haribos :dance:

Cinema food prices are ridiculous, I will just buy a large drink and take my own sweets that i can get for a pound each

[Tony Montana]

I will be taking 2 or 3 packs of haribos :dance:

Cinema food prices are ridiculous, I will just buy a large drink and take my own sweets that i can get for a pound each

I know what you mean, I barely buy their food. I usually just buy food from a nearby supermarket before the film is shown.

I only buy the Tango ice blast at the cinema.

[James]

This is random but did anyone else think of the scene with the Gunguns v Battle Droids from Phantom Menace during the Wakanda battle in Infinity War?

Yeah, I thought of that when watching it.

[James]

Three hours sounds a bit much, you'd hope they have a good reason for it. But they surprised me with how well they handled all these characters in Infinity War.

[Tony Montana]

The final trailer has arrived! It's a little too spoilery tho, even the thumbnail has spoilers, so I will spoiler it.

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[Tony Montana]

Best MCU trailer ever imo. The shot of Thor, Cap and Tony in the end looks like a third act thing

[Tony Montana]

I tried to resist from watching it, but I give in after an hour :laugh:

[Smithy]

A lot of footage of this/the ending had leaked online :skull:

[Tony Montana]

A lot of footage of this/the ending had leaked online :skull:

Mess I’ll be avoiding it at all cost

[James]

I've seen it.

I liked it but I think Infinity War is better.

Some of the humour is very good.

Spoilers...


Beer-belly Thor, haha.



The Banner-Hulk hybrid was a bit strange to get used to.



Not sure I bought the time-travel plot device... and they took a shot (in the dialogue) at Back to the Future. :nono: The Avengers have a time-machine now? What will that mean? Can they reset anything now... or interfere with history? Or does it not work like that.

[Barry.]

Avoiding spoilers until Sunday.

[Owoaje1993]

It’s the best film I’ve ever seen I loved it

The fight scene with all superheroes was incredible my favourites were Antman and Spider-Man

Looking forward to phase five with marvels future films

[Owoaje1993]

Three hours sounds a bit much, you'd hope they have a good reason for it. But they surprised me with how well they handled all these characters in Infinity War.
It’s so good it doesn’t feel that long it’s just brilliant

[Wojtek]

I've seen it today and I loved it :love:

RIP Iron Man and Black Widow :sad:

I don't know why but the biggest surprise for me was that Thanos' victims were gone for 5 years :laugh:

I'm also confused about Gamora. Her 2014 version came back, turned on Thanos and even had a short "reunion" with Star-Lord, but she was never shown again after Thanos and his army were wiped out. Have I missed her second death or something? I'm dissapointed that she's gone again because I love Guardians of the Galaxy and I was hoping that all of them would survive :(

[Oliver_W]

Is it weird I found fat rock star Thor more attractive than short hair Thor? But not as much as standard Thor.

I wonder who's left for the Avengers? Spidey, Ant Man, Professor Hulk, Black Iron Man, Falcon ... maybe we'll get Iron Gweneth :D
edit - Hawkeye too, though Clint has become Ronin


I've wanted Thor to join the Guardians for years, glad it's actually happening! Are both GOTG3 and Thor 4 confirmed?

I wonder when Thanos swapped places with Aunt May to hynotise Peter ... maybe she was always Thanos :O [/spioler]


[SPOILER]I'm also confused about Gamora. Her 2014 version came back, turned on Thanos and even had a short "reunion" with Star-Lord, but she was never shown again after Thanos and his army were wiped out. Have I missed her second death or something? I'm dissapointed that she's gone again because I love Guardians of the Galaxy and I was hoping that all of them would survive :(

I think she just did a runner. Gamora at that point wouldn't put herself on the line for others.
She's not dead because at the end Star Lord wanted to look for her, he was trying to trace her on the system.

[Niamh.]

I was wondering about Gamora aswell, I just assumed that she turned to Ash with everyone else who arrived with Thanos but maybe not? I didn't think she would be allowed to come back because of the way she died like Black Widow?

Anyone know whether Thor is going to be in future GOTG films now? Has he joined them for good? I like the dynamic between him and Star Lord so i hope so......although I hope he gets his Thor body back again :oh: It was funny though how he'd let himself go

Really enjoyed it though over all, the 3 hours flew

[James]

I'm not sure we've seen the last of Natasha either because Gamora was thrown off the same cliff, and she is (maybe) back alive again. They could use the same time-machine method with Black Widow. They are making a spin-off film with the character, and it doesn't need to be wholly a prequel.

They also didn't have a funeral scene for her but did for Tony.

[Niamh.]

Yeah, that was why I was wondering if Gamora was alive or not because if she is then Natasha should be able to come back. Although maybe it isn't the same because, when they went back to change what happened 5 years previous, it meant that Thanos wouldn't have had to push Gamora off that cliff to get the soul stone because he took them from the Avengers instead and so Natasha kind of took Gamoras place in getting that stone :think:

[Owoaje1993]

I read black widow film is based on how she became black widow so I think she is dead and not returning after her film

[LukeB]

This was definately the best avengers movie! It was entertaining and funny! It didn’t drag at all. 3 hours was perfect

Black widow and iron man dying was so sad :(

I knew captain america could hold thor’s hammar, he slightly moved it before.

[LukeB]

I actually give this movie a 10/10

[LukeB]

I'm not sure we've seen the last of Natasha either because Gamora was thrown off the same cliff, and she is (maybe) back alive again. They could use the same time-machine method with Black Widow. They are making a spin-off film with the character, and it doesn't need to be wholly a prequel.

They also didn't have a funeral scene for her but did for Tony.


She's dead imo

I think the movie will be about how she became Black Widow because all these movies are not in the timeline order.

[James]

Actually an upcoming Black Widow prequel film might be the reason they didn't show a funeral scene for her, now I think about it.

I'm surprised they are doing an origin story film for her, because Solo was a Star Wars prequel film for a character that had already been killed off, and that film flopped.

I still think there is a chance that there will be a post-credits scene in the Black Widow film where a portal opens up and Nick Fury or someone comes out and says, 'come with me, we need your help'.

[Tony Montana]

At the cinema right now about to watch

I haven’t been this excited in a long time

[Oliver_W]

Actually an upcoming Black Widow prequel film might be the reason they didn't show a funeral scene for her, now I think about it.

I'm surprised they are doing an origin story film for her, because Solo was a Star Wars prequel film for a character that had already been killed off, and that film flopped.

I still think there is a chance that there will be a post-credits scene in the Black Widow film where a portal opens up and Nick Fury or someone comes out and says, 'come with me, we need your help'.


Who knows, maybe it'll be a prequel, and also have "midquel" type scenes so we see what she's up to when she's not been in the movies, and it'll end with her funeral

[Marsh.]

I'm surprised they are doing an origin story film for her, because Solo was a Star Wars prequel film for a character that had already been killed off, and that film flopped.


But... the film didn't flop because in the "present" the character was dead. Flopped because it was a crap film.

And "dead" in the Marvel universe doesn't really mean much.

[Brother Leon]

I went to watch it midnight with friends and then again last night with my wife. She’s not even a huge superhero fan, but she still was in her emotions throughout.

Cba to go into spoilers, but just at the end credits of the movie at both times I really felt it. Just looking back at 11 years of movies and even further than that, my mum buying me marvel comics to read when I was well behaved etc. It really did feel like the end of an era.

Huge credit and props to all involved.

Thank You Kevin Feige and Russo Brothers
Thank You Robert Downey Jr
Thank You Chris Evans
Thank You Chris Hemsworth
Thank Your Mark Ruffalo
Thank You Scarlett Johansson
Thank You Jeremy Renner

Most importantly, thank you and R.I.P to Stan Lee.

[AProducer'sWetDream]

I genuinely can't think of a fault to give this film. It was everything I wanted and hoped for, and more. Can't believe it was actually three hours it went by so quickly.

(Also I can see this breaking every box office record there is- two of the cinemas in my area were completely sold out yesterday when I tried to book online and the place I went to was absolutely packed- I've never seen anything like it).

Black Widow </3 I'm not sure I've ever cried that much at this type of film.
Then, Tony </3 and Pepper had me in floods of tears again. :laugh:

I loved the scenes where they went back to Avengers Assemble. And *that*
final battle gave me goosebumps. Absolutely perfefct. I'm sure people who know a ton more about the universe will pcik apart certain plot points but honestly, I had the best time watching this film and left it completely satisfied. There's nothing more I could have asked for. 10/10

Also I want Chris Evans to obliterate me.

[The Slim Reaper]

Have to say I was disappointed. Don't know if my expectations were too high or what, but what they've done to the hulk and Thor was more for comedic value than anything.

As the end of this story it just left me feeling a little unsatisfied and completely underwhelmed.

[Tony Montana]

Watched it last night, I loved every second of it. The acting, storyline, emotional weight, entertainment value and conclusion. It's a 10/10 masterpiece as far as I'm concerned and has surpassed the Dark Knight as the greatest Comic Book film of all time imo.

High Points

The first half felt like a Mission Impossible movie and revisiting the old movies was a great way to reward long time Marvel fans as well as saying thank you for your support.
Bruce Banner merging his intelligence with the Hulk to become ''Professor Hulk'' He played a bigger role in this film than I expected and I was delighted.
The return of the decimated heroes of Infinity War. Everyone at the cinema was hyped af to see them return at a crucial moment when all hope seemed lost. The ''Hey, Cap, on your left'' and Doctor Strange opening the first portal- when Cap was approaching the army by himself, gave me the biggest goosebumps I've ever had at the cinema.
Tony ending the Infinity Saga and his own life with the words that started it all. ''I...am... Iron Man'' His death was the saddest moment in the whole franchise as well as a perfect conclusion to his story arc. Even though I knew his death was coming, it still hit me hard.
Cap, Tony and Thor vs Thanos- The best fight in the whole MCU franchise by a long shot. Words can't even explain how awesome this was. I loved every second of it- it was amazing watching the teamwork between the 3 friends, bits like Thor intentionally amping Tony's suit with his lightning, Thor dual wielding Mjolnir and Strombreaker, Thanos kicking their asses, and of course I loved seeing Cap being worthy enough to finally pick up Mjolnir and start going to work on Thanos. The choreography for Mjolnir + Shield wielding Cap was breath-taking and it was excellent watching him do combos like throwing his shield, then throwing Mjolnir at the shield to make a shockwave behind Thanos and so on. The screams and cheers at that scene is a moment I'll never forget.

The only 4 minor flaws I had with it are

Fat Thor. Pre fat Thor was badass, serious and powerful. I was really hoping he would be similar to his Infinity War role. But after he kills Thanos very early on, he just... retires?
While I enjoyed Hulk's role in the film and he was a major highlight, I was a little disappointed that he didn't get a rematch with Thanos. No matter what the outcome would've been, I was hoping he would redeem himself after the massive beating he received in IW. He also didn't turn into World-breaker which saddened me a little.
Captain Marvel- WTF happened to her? She's only in the film for like 20 minutes. She played a key role early on in the film, then disappears for an hour and a half and shows up during the final battle.
The overall tone of the film was inconsistent. I like witty MCU humour but It felt out of place at times. There wasn't any need for comic relief moments from Thor and Hulk. I would've preferred less comedy in a movie with a serious theme like Endgame.

Overall, I love this film and it's the best time I've ever had at the cinema.

[Barry.]

Seeing it tomorrow morning can't wait.

[Tony Montana]

Seeing it tomorrow morning can't wait.

Enjoy Barry. You'll love it.

[Tony Montana]

The film also clears up the theory that Spider-Man: Far From Home takes place before Infinity War I always thought that that theory was correct so I'm happy to be proven wrong.

[Oliver_W]

Fat Thor. Pre fat Thor was badass, serious and powerful. I was really hoping he would be similar to his Infinity War role. But after he kills Thanos very early on, he just... retires?
I got the feeling he felt guilty about killing him outright, or at least the way it happened ... I can't actually think of a time when Thor killed a sentient being, especially one who was disarmed (heehee)

[montblanc]

it was amazing! not a huge fan of superhero movies but i always liked the avengers movies :love:

my only problems with it was the length and it also gets a bit confusing at parts if you haven’t watched the individual movies of the different superheroes (but it’s still not that bad)

[JerseyWins]

EVERYONE is saying this movie was amazing :notimpressed:

I DON'T watch Superhero movies that aren't comedies (Deadpool for example lol) or like the Spiderman/Dark Knight ones... but people are making it so tempting for me to watch this :joker:

[LukeB]

EVERYONE is saying this movie was amazing :notimpressed:

I DON'T watch Superhero movies that aren't comedies (Deadpool for example lol) or like the Spiderman/Dark Knight ones... but people are making it so tempting for me to watch this :joker:

There’s some comedy in this:dance:

[Tony Montana]

I got the feeling he felt guilty about killing him outright, or at least the way it happened ... I can't actually think of a time when Thor killed a sentient being, especially one who was disarmed (heehee)

But why would he feel guilty tho? He wanted to kill him since IW.

[Tony Montana]

EVERYONE is saying this movie was amazing :notimpressed:

I DON'T watch Superhero movies that aren't comedies (Deadpool for example lol) or like the Spiderman/Dark Knight ones... but people are making it so tempting for me to watch this :joker:

Watch it Jersey, you won't be disappointed.

[Matthew.]

I watched this film earlier today :hugesmile:

[Tony Montana]

I watched this film earlier today :hugesmile:

It was amazing, wasn't it?

[LukeB]

I'm going to see this again on Friday :elephant:

[Matthew.]

It was amazing, wasn't it?

It was pretty good, haven’t seen the other films so wasn’t entirely sure of everything that was going on but I enjoyed it

[Tony Montana]

Reading a few reviews online, there seems to be mixed thoughts on one particular scene.

The all female segment near the end. When all the female heroes (except BW) gather together to kick ass

Smh there's people who are actually getting angry over this. I loved it wtf is wrong with them :umm2:

[LukeB]

Does anyone love this badass?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eyhz6MImCvA/maxresdefault.jpg

[Oliver_W]

But why would he feel guilty tho? He wanted to kill him since IW.

I want to eat cheeseburgers about 90% of the time, but when I cave in I feel guilty, because it means I'll be flabby and spotty.

The comparison being, Thor wanted to kill the maniac who was whupping everyone in sight with nigh a bead of sweat, and who heartlessly wiped out half of sentient life; the Thanos they met was a sad old man who lived in a hut and was crippled by his own power , and who was at their mercy.

[montblanc]

Does anyone love this badass?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eyhz6MImCvA/maxresdefault.jpg

queen

[Oliver_W]

Reading a few reviews online, there seems to be mixed thoughts on one particular scene.

The all female segment near the end. When all the female heroes (except BW) gather together to kick ass

Smh there's people who are actually getting angry over this. I loved it wtf is wrong with them :umm2:
I didn't even notice it was an all female scene tbh. It would have been cringey if they made a big thing of it, but it was just something that happened.

Also, Iron Gwyneth <3

Does anyone love this badass?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eyhz6MImCvA/maxresdefault.jpg

That was awesome!

[LukeB]

queen

I hope she gets her own movie

[LukeB]

I hope she gets her own movie

Oh she has her own tv series called WandaVision that's coming to the new Disney streaming service next year, it will be set in 1950s

[Oliver_W]

Oh she has her own tv series called WandaVision that's coming to the new Disney streaming service next year, it will be set in 1950s
How? I thought she was born in like the 1980s and she and Quicksilver were experimented on all their lives, I didn't think she or both of them were older... but then, I've not seen Ultron in ages

[Tony Montana]

I want to eat cheeseburgers about 90% of the time, but when I cave in I feel guilty, because it means I'll be flabby and spotty.

The comparison being, Thor wanted to kill the maniac who was whupping everyone in sight with nigh a bead of sweat, and who heartlessly wiped out half of sentient life; the Thanos they met was a sad old man who lived in a hut and was crippled by his own power , and who was at their mercy.

Good point, although I still feel like he shouldn't have felt guilty about it. Thanos wiped out half of the universe, as well as killing his brother.

[Tony Montana]

Does anyone love this badass?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eyhz6MImCvA/maxresdefault.jpg

I love her so much, my second favourite female character. Elizabeth Olsen is so gorgeous too

[James]

Reading a few reviews online, there seems to be mixed thoughts on one particular scene.

The all female segment near the end. When all the female heroes (except BW) gather together to kick ass

Smh there's people who are actually getting angry over this. I loved it wtf is wrong with them :umm2:

I didn't even notice it was an all female scene tbh. It would have been cringey if they made a big thing of it, but it was just something that happened.

Also, Iron Gwyneth <3


To be honest I cringed a bit at that scene. It was very on the nose. I think some people might be getting angry because...


Some of the other female characters - of the ones that survived Infinity War and you thought could have played a big part - were only in the film for a little bit, apart from Nebula. Captain Marvel only has small amount of screentime, and Okoye is barely in it at all (despite being on poster). And Natasha, who does get more to do, gets killed off earlier.

So to some people it will look a bit like the all-female segment was the film-makers throwing a bone to the idea of female superheroes playing a part in these films, and nothing more.


How? I thought she was born in like the 1980s and she and Quicksilver were experimented on all their lives, I didn't think she or both of them were older... but then, I've not seen Ultron in ages


I guess they've got a time-machine now? It's the only way I can think that the TV series could be set in the 50s.

[Ramsay]

Yes that scene was very cheesy and felt very forced. Was only a few seconds so didn't mind it too much

[Niamh.]

Of course if it was a group if men no one would have even noticed or batted an eyelid but its women so cheesy/cringey, yep we still.have a way to go

[Marsh.]

Of course if it was a group if men no one would have even noticed or batted an eyelid but its women so cheesy/cringey, yep we still.have a way to go

Tbh I found it cringey exactly for that reason.

It was like the director was told last minute he had actresses contracted to appear so gave them a random shot in the middle of the action. How insulting.

The treatment of Black Widow in most of these movies has never been great but this one inparticular was diabolical.

[Marsh.]

I was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed Nebula though.

[Oliver_W]

Tbh I found it cringey exactly for that reason.

It was like the director was told last minute he had actresses contracted to appear so gave them a random shot in the middle of the action. How insulting.

The treatment of Black Widow in most of these movies has never been great but this one inparticular was diabolical.

How? She was a defacto leader (she was hosting the conference call; they were all running stuff by her), she helped put them together; and she made the decision to sacrifice herself, and fought tooth and nail to actualise it.

[Morgan.]

It was pretty good, haven’t seen the other films so wasn’t entirely sure of everything that was going on but I enjoyed it

Yeah, with infinity war I was so confused because I only watch avengers films, none of the individual ones. But I just found a marvel phase 4 recap and I'm going to endgame later so :fc: I understand and enjoy

[Marsh.]

How? She was a defacto leader (she was hosting the conference call; they were all running stuff by her), she helped put them together; and she made the decision to sacrifice herself, and fought tooth and nail to actualise it.

The defacto leader who was relegated to the background once the male heroes decided they'd like to take part again.

Then died because the mass murderer had more to live for (ie. Has kids). That's not a sexist trope. :hehe:

[LukeB]

Marsh you really need to point that in spoiler...

[Smithy]

Why? If you haven’t seen the film why would you come into a thread discussing the film :conf2:

[LukeB]

Why? If you haven’t seen the film why would you come into a thread discussing the film :conf2:

Because it's a big spoiler for others..

Other people have been looking on this thread have said they are watching it soon and they could see what Marsh said. Everyone has put everything in spoilers.

[Barry.]

Loved this movie.

[Elliot]

A little disappointed tbh. Nowhere as good as infinity wars imo

[Oliver_W]

The defacto leader who was relegated to the background once the male heroes decided they'd like to take part again.

Then died because the mass murderer had more to live for (ie. Has kids). That's not a sexist trope. :hehe:

To be fair she doesn't have the powers or tech the others have, so of course they'd take a more promiment role ... and having a family is more to live for, it's the most important job in the world!

[Marsh.]

To be fair she doesn't have the powers or tech the others have, so of course they'd take a more promiment role ... and having a family is more to live for, it's the most important job in the world!

Yeah. A woman's only purpose is to have kids, right?

[Oliver_W]

Yeah. A woman's only purpose is to have kids, right?

Where did you get that from? I'm talking about Clint being a parent. Parents always trump non-parents.

[Tom4784]

It was good but not amazing. A solid 8/10.

I rolled my eyes when they fridged Black Widow in almost exactly the same way as Gamora. It was a big mistake and I don't like how quickly forgotten her death was. She was pretty much the first and, for quite a while, only female hero in the MCU and they brushed her aside in a terrible way.

I also feel, strangely enough, that despite the long runtime, the film felt REALLY rushed. They could have added a few more scenes in the second half to help the pacing. I also don't think this film really did much to assuage my issues with Captain Marvel either, she's still unrelateable and a bit of a personality vacuum and she's far too powerful with no real weaknesses. I was surprised by how little she was in the film but I didn't miss her which is a bit of a worrying sign given that she's likely going to lead the MCU going forward.

My last complaint was that they played it too safe, I liked that they didn't undo the timejump (although that makes Spiderman's situation odd, did every one of his supporting cast get dusted with him? 'Cus his friends would be in their 20's by now if they weren't), but I felt like they could have taken more risks with the plot. I think it's a shame that they completely undid Thanos' characterisation and journey in Infinity War as well just to make him more of a moustache twirling villain when he was more complex before.

As for what I liked, I loved how Cap and Tony's stories ended, it felt right and deserved and they did right by both of them (I just hope they don't undo both of those endings down the road). I teared up quite a bit when Tony reunited with Peter and during their last goodbye, I loved their relationship and it's one thing I will miss going forward.

I liked how (although it felt a little forced in some ways) the female heroes got their chance to shine as well, I almost went full on 'yaaaas' in the cinema when Scarlet Witch was beating Thanos' ass. I just hope the scene where they all teamed up is an overt tease for an A-Force film. I think one thing they did well in this film was that almost everyone had their chance to shine which, for a cast this big, is a big ask.

I thought the final battle as a whole was just perfection and I loved the whole 'time heist' part of the film. I thought the first half of the film was great tbh and I wished we saw the effects of Thanos' snaps in places like Wakanda which was obviously left without heirs as both T'Challa and Shurie were both dusted.

As for the future, I'm looking forward to Guardians 3 being rebranded as Asgardians of the Galaxy and I'm glad they've found another trilogy for Thor to find a home in as they only made him truly great in Ragnarok and it would have been a great shame if his story ended just as they had finally found out how to make him work well as a character. I also think that one thing they'll announce soon is a Young Avengers film, the stuff with Hawkeye's daughter and Cassie remaining a teenager felt like an overt hint, as did the lingering shot of that teenage boy at Tony's funeral. If a Young Avengers film happens then it could be huge for diversity since two of it's most notable heroes are gay and in a relationship and it would probably be difficult to do YA without that aspect since it would piss a lot of people off.

Beyond Asgardians of the Galaxy, A-Force and Young Avengers though, I'm not sure what else they hinted at. I was half expecting a tiny X-men hint but it's probably too soon for them yet.

[James]

The Red Letter Media review is really spot-on about what I thought of the film.

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I forgot that the last episode of Star Trek: Voyager was also called Endgame.

[Tom4784]

Oh and on the topic of.....

....Time Travel, they can't change the past or interfere with past events since alterations only creates alternate realities. If they changed something and went back to their future, it would be the same. It's why Nebula didn't die when she killed her past self.

[LukeB]

I'm glad they didn't play it safe with the deaths though as much as I love Black Widow and Iron Man it would have been a bit meh if someone like Sam died. I wouldn't have been bothered if Clint was the one who jumped though.

[Oliver_W]

It was good but not amazing. A solid 8/10.


I also don't think this film really did much to assuage my issues with Captain Marvel either, she's still unrelateable and a bit of a personality vacuum and she's far too powerful with no real weaknesses. I was surprised by how little she was in the film but I didn't miss her which is a bit of a worrying sign given that she's likely going to lead the MCU going forward.
[..]
I almost went full on 'yaaaas' in the cinema when Scarlet Witch was beating Thanos' ass.
tbh I think that Scarlet Witch should fill in for Captain Marvel's role - she has an actual personality, charisma, and more history in the series.


as did the lingering shot of that teenage boy at Tony's funeral.

Didn't you recognise him? It was the lad from Iron Man 3, who was also in Jurassic World![/QUOTE]

[Marsh.]

Where did you get that from? I'm talking about Clint being a parent. Parents always trump non-parents.

Exactly. So, she's useless cuz she has no sprog.

How reductive.

Even her death was glossed over.

[Marsh.]

Because it's a big spoiler for others..

Other people have been looking on this thread have said they are watching it soon and they could see what Marsh said. Everyone has put everything in spoilers.

But if anyone is coming into the thread wanting to remain spoiler-free, all they're going to see anyway is spoiler tags so they wouldn't want to come in until after.

Once something is out/aired, it's your job not to venture into discussion until afterwards. :nono:

[Oliver_W]

Exactly. So, she's useless cuz she has no sprog.

How reductive.

Even her death was glossed over.

She's not useless, just less important :)

I'll give you that her death was glossed over though.

[Marsh.]

She's not useless, just less important :)

I'll give you that her death was glossed over though.

Yeah, we're discussing bad writing where the female characters are reduced to love interests and baby vessels. That's what made her unimportant and why the female characters were offered a piss-poor 5 second shot of "empowerment".

Glad we got there in the end anyway. :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

Yeah, we're discussing bad writing where the female characters are reduced to love interests and baby vessels. That's what made her unimportant and why the female characters were offered a piss-poor 5 second shot of "empowerment".
That's not all they had - Scarlet Witch handed Thanos' ass to him, and probably would have killed him if he didn't called for backup; Captain Marvel saved the Benetar and was instrumental in killing Thanos the first time; Tae Diggs was covering for Black Panther in Wakanda; Ancient One totally had the upperhand with Professor Hulk; the finale wouldn't have happened without Nebula; and Romanov decided to sacrifice herself to get the Soul Stone.

[Marsh.]

That's not all they had - Scarlet Witch handed Thanos' ass to him, and probably would have killed him if he didn't called for backup; Captain Marvel saved the Benetar and was instrumental in killing Thanos the first time; Tae Diggs was covering for Black Panther in Wakanda; Ancient One totally had the upperhand with Professor Hulk; the finale wouldn't have happened without Nebula; and Romanov decided to sacrifice herself to get the Soul Stone.

I don't understand what you're saying?

Scarlet Witch got a 5 second fight scene so the writing for female superheroes in this franchise is suddenly fine? :think:

[Barry.]

I am confused at a certain bit. When Steve decided to stay in the past, where was that's past Steve Rogers? Like the one who would be in Civil war etc?

[Marsh.]

I am confused at a certain bit. When Steve decided to stay in the past, where was that's past Steve Rogers? Like the one who would be in Civil war etc?

Yeah, it didn't make sense.

Like Dezzy said, the Steve that went to return the stones wouldn't be in the present as an old man because he would be in the alternate timeline.

[Ross.]

I ****ing loved this :love: Worth the wait

[Niamh.]

I am confused at a certain bit. When Steve decided to stay in the past, where was that's past Steve Rogers? Like the one who would be in Civil war etc?Wasn't he frozen back then?

[Tom4784]

Yeah, it didn't make sense.

Like Dezzy said, the Steve that went to return the stones wouldn't be in the present as an old man because he would be in the alternate timeline.

He was part of our timeline because he went back to the past after he was already frozen, new timelines would have been created if it was the past version of Steve that stayed but not the future Steve because the past Steve's path was unaltered by Steve going back..... I hope that makes sense.

[Marsh.]

He was part of our timeline because he went back to the past after he was already frozen, new timelines would have been created if it was the past version of Steve that stayed but not the future Steve because the past Steve's path was unaltered by Steve going back..... I hope that makes sense.

You hope that makes sense? FAT CHANCE. :hmph:

[Tom4784]

You hope that makes sense? FAT CHANCE. :hmph:

IT IS BASIC TIME TRAVEL LOGIC, MARSHA! :hmph:

[Barry.]

Wasn't he frozen back then?

So they kept him frozen in the timeline?

[Morgan.]

Amazing film.

Awful experience.

[LukeB]

Amazing film.

Awful experience.

Spill?

[Barry.]

Amazing film.

Awful experience.

Aww how?

I had a fine experience.

[Morgan.]

We had gypsies sat next to us. Smoking weed, talking loudly, playing music through their phones, and then shouting and swearing at people when we asked them to stop.

The film then got paused for about 25/30 minutes whilst they were removed from the venue. The whole (full) cinema were confronting them and they were just going mad at everyone, swearing at people, throwing popcorn.

Then because they were kicked out they wouldn't leave the auditorium until they were given refunds so security had to be called.


Then added to this, I had a child behind me talking very loudly. Kept asking questions because he didn't understand, whenever Action stopped and it was just talking he'd shout 'I'm bored now let's go home'. This was throughout the duration of the film. I asked his mother to stop him a few times and she didn't.

[Barry.]

We had gypsies sat next to us. Smoking weed, talking loudly, playing music through their phones, and then shouting and swearing at people when we asked them to stop.

The film then got paused for about 25/30 minutes whilst they were removed from the venue. The whole (full) cinema were confronting them and they were just going mad at everyone, swearing at people, throwing popcorn.

Then because they were kicked out they wouldn't leave the auditorium until they were given refunds so security had to be called.


Then added to this, I had a child behind me talking very loudly. Kept asking questions because he didn't understand, whenever Action stopped and it was just talking he'd shout 'I'm bored now let's go home'. This was throughout the duration of the film. I asked his mother to stop him a few times and she didn't.


Wow sounds horrible. Why would they play music on their phones during a film? So rude. It gives you an excuse to see it again lol.

[Tony Montana]

The film has already grossed $1.2 billion in just 5 days :o I can definitely see it beating Avatar's record.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48084977

[Niamh.]

So they kept him frozen in the timeline?No, the Steve that came back would have just had a normal life and frozen Steve would have been defrosted and go on to be an Avenger as normal I presume

[LukeB]

We had gypsies sat next to us. Smoking weed, talking loudly, playing music through their phones, and then shouting and swearing at people when we asked them to stop.

The film then got paused for about 25/30 minutes whilst they were removed from the venue. The whole (full) cinema were confronting them and they were just going mad at everyone, swearing at people, throwing popcorn.

Then because they were kicked out they wouldn't leave the auditorium until they were given refunds so security had to be called.


Then added to this, I had a child behind me talking very loudly. Kept asking questions because he didn't understand, whenever Action stopped and it was just talking he'd shout 'I'm bored now let's go home'. This was throughout the duration of the film. I asked his mother to stop him a few times and she didn't.

Sounds awful!

All i had was people talking,cheering and laughing loudly

Someone literally cried really loud when Iron Man died

[Tony Montana]

We had gypsies sat next to us. Smoking weed, talking loudly, playing music through their phones, and then shouting and swearing at people when we asked them to stop.

The film then got paused for about 25/30 minutes whilst they were removed from the venue. The whole (full) cinema were confronting them and they were just going mad at everyone, swearing at people, throwing popcorn.

Then because they were kicked out they wouldn't leave the auditorium until they were given refunds so security had to be called.


Then added to this, I had a child behind me talking very loudly. Kept asking questions because he didn't understand, whenever Action stopped and it was just talking he'd shout 'I'm bored now let's go home'. This was throughout the duration of the film. I asked his mother to stop him a few times and she didn't.

****ing attention seeking little pricks! Ruining the fun for everyone else.

[Barry.]

No, the Steve thay came back would have just had a normal life and frozen Steve would have been defrosted and go on to be an Avenger as normal I presume

Then we would of saw two Steves? But he gave the shield to Sam like he was making him Captain America.

[Morgan.]

The rest of our auditorium was practically silent, everyone was just enjoying the film. Although everyone laughed at the jokes and comedy elements.

But there was no cheering or crying as such.

[Tony Montana]

The whole cinema went wild when Cap was worthy enough to wiled Mjolnir. That was the best moment for me.

[Morgan.]

Wow sounds horrible. Why would they play music on their phones during a film? So rude. It gives you an excuse to see it again lol.

As much as I loved it I wouldn't see it again at the cinema. Definitely at home though.

In fact from phase 2/3 I've only actually watched the avengers films - so I might do a binge of all phase 2/3 films at some point

[Barry.]

The rest of our auditorium was practically silent, everyone was just enjoying the film. Although everyone laughed at the jokes and comedy elements.

But there was no cheering or crying as such.

Same no cheering or crying. But I had a tear for Natasha and Tony dying.

[Barry.]

The film has already grossed $1.2 billion in just 5 days :o I can definitely see it beating Avatar's record.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48084977

I know insane.

[LukeB]

I went through every emotion throughout the movie :laugh: I was sad after the film as well. These 11 years watching these films have been amazing! adore every single film they did tbh (well maybe not the hulk but i still liked it a bit, Mark Ruffalo was the better hulk)

[Barry.]

I went through every emotion throughout the movie :laugh: I was sad after the film as well. These 11 years watching these films have been amazing! adore every single film they did tbh (well maybe not the hulk but i still liked it a bit, Mark Ruffalo was the better hulk)

I still need to see Antman, Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel.

[Morgan.]

Heck i might just start all the way from Phase 1 I barely remember those films at all

[LukeB]

As much as I loved it I wouldn't see it again at the cinema. Definitely at home though.

In fact from phase 2/3 I've only actually watched the avengers films - so I might do a binge of all phase 2/3 films at some point

I do wish i watched it like 2 weeks after it came out so it would have been quiet but i didn't want it to be spoiled for me. It's quite hard avoiding spoilers on social media but i'm going to see it again on Friday.

[Marsh.]

No, the Steve that came back would have just had a normal life and frozen Steve would have been defrosted and go on to be an Avenger as normal I presume

In the same timeline?

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[Tony Montana]

I went through every emotion throughout the movie :laugh: I was sad after the film as well. These 11 years watching these films have been amazing! adore every single film they did tbh (well maybe not the hulk but i still liked it a bit, Mark Ruffalo was the better hulk)

Are you talking about Ang Lee's Hulk from 2003?

[James]

Then we would of saw two Steves? But he gave the shield to Sam like he was making him Captain America.


Yeah, I think there are two Steves, with one still frozen until about 2011 in that alternate past.

They set the rule about time-travel when they go to the past they can only change history of that reality (or dimension), not the original one.

It seemed like they broke that rule at they end though when older Steve was sitting on the bench. He would have had to have found a way back to the original dimension to be able to be there. For instance he rebuilt the time-machine with the help of Hank Pym or Tony Stark from that dimension. Which is stretch and a lot of trouble just to be able to give Falcon the shield.

[Morgan.]

I do wish i watched it like 2 weeks after it came out so it would have been quiet but i didn't want it to be spoiled for me. It's quite hard avoiding spoilers on social media but i'm going to see it again on Friday.

I knew what was happening going into the film thanks to my ****ty friends but still enjoyed it

[LukeB]

I still need to see Antman, Doctor Strange and Captain Marvel.

You should, i think they are on netflix (not Captain Marvel ofc)


Heck i might just start all the way from Phase 1 I barely remember those films at all

You should :dance: i did this in January to february:laugh:

[Tony Montana]

Heck i might just start all the way from Phase 1 I barely remember those films at all

You should, they're amazing.

[LukeB]

Are you talking about Ang Lee's Hulk from 2003?

No Edward Norton :laugh:


I knew what was happening going into the film thanks to my ****ty friends but still enjoyed it

That's so ****ty! I would have fumed

[Morgan.]

1. Avengers: Endgame
2. Avengers: Assemble
3. Avengers: Age of Ultron
4. Avengers: Infinity War

Infinity War will probs go green on my rewatch. I was ill and tired when I watched, and extremely confused (since I don't watch the individual films) but I feel like it's better when you're fully focused lmao

[LukeB]

I might get all of these movies on blue ray!

[Tony Montana]

No Edward Norton :laugh:



Norton's and Ruffalo's Hulk are the same.

The Incredible Hulk is a part of the MCU. It's the same Hulk from Avengers, age of Ultron, Ragnarok, Infinity War and Endgame.

[Tony Montana]

1. Avengers: Endgame
2. Avengers: Assemble
3. Avengers: Age of Ultron
4. Avengers: Infinity War

Infinity War will probs go green on my rewatch. I was ill and tired when I watched, and extremely confused (since I don't watch the individual films) but I feel like it's better when you're fully focused lmao

How can you have AOU higher than Infinity War? I like AOU but it's easily the weakest Avengers film.

[Oliver_W]

Then we would of saw two Steves?

Why would we? One was just living a domestic life, so he wouldn't have been involved in action stuff.

[Marsh.]

Norton's and Ruffalo's Hulk are the same.

The Incredible Hulk is a part of the MCU. It's the same Hulk from Avengers, age of Ultron, Ragnarok, Infinity War and Endgame.

Why did they recast?

[Morgan.]

How can you have AOU higher than Infinity War? I like AOU but it's easily the weakest Avengers film.

As I explained, I'm not really a marvel fanatic - and watching Infinity War as an outsider is extremely confusing. I was also really ill and tired, so I didn't really want to be at the cinema in the first place.

[LukeB]

Norton's and Ruffalo's Hulk are the same.

The Incredible Hulk is a part of the MCU. It's the same Hulk from Avengers, age of Ultron, Ragnarok, Infinity War and Endgame.

I know I mean Mark Ruffalo was a great choice to play The Hulk/Bruce! I see that character in him more than i did with Norton.

[Tony Montana]

Why did they recast?

According to Wikipedia, Norton allegedly had ''disputes'' with Marvel. Norton claimed that he did not play Hulk again because he "wanted more diversity" and opted against associating himself with one character throughout his career.

There was rumours that he wanted top billing and to be the most paid. I like Norton, but he always had a huge ego and was extremely difficult to work with.

I loved his Hulk and was disappointed when he wasn't returning, but Ruffalo has done a magnificent job.

[Tony Montana]

As I explained, I'm not really a marvel fanatic - and watching Infinity War as an outsider is extremely confusing. I was also really ill and tired, so I didn't really want to be at the cinema in the first place.

Fair enough.

[Tony Montana]

I know I mean Mark Ruffalo was a great choice to play The Hulk/Bruce! I see that character in him more than i did with Norton.

They both did a fantastic job, with a slight edge to Ruffalo. I also love Ang Lee's Hulk, which is very underrated.

[Morgan.]

Also WHERE was Hannah Baker :suspect: I'm sure her actress was meant to be in the film?

[Marsh.]

Also WHERE was Hannah Baker :suspect: I'm sure her actress was meant to be in the film?

They filled their female quota for this year. :laugh:

[Tom4784]

I've changed my mind on Black Widow's death, I was talking to a friend about it this morning and she brought up an interesting point. In most films and stories, women tend to sacrifice themselves for their love interests or their children while men tend to have heroic sacrifices for the greater good. Black Widow is a rare example of a female character sacrificing themselves, not for a personal connection but for the desire to do good by everyone.

Widow wasn't fridged to create motivation for the male heroes, it wasn't Gamora's death all over again. It was the inverse of Gamora's death and the more I think about it, the more I like how it went down. It's unfortunate she died but she died in a way that few female characters do, in an empowered and heroic fashion.

[Barry.]

I might get all of these movies on blue ray!

I might wait for the 4k of all films then buy it.

[Morgan.]

Screaming I was watching some press interviews today and crying at Scarlett spoiling her and RDJ character deaths

[Tony Montana]

Screaming I was watching some press interviews today and crying at Scarlett spoiling her and RDJ character deaths

Link?

[Tony Montana]

But yeah that's brutal.

[Tony Montana]

Mess a man was beaten up in a cinema in Hong Kong after he revealed spoilers.

https://www.scoopwhoop.com/entertainment/man-apparently-beaten-up-spoilers-for-avengers-endgame/#.hxqw91iwd

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/movies/man-shouting-avengers-endgame-spoilers-gets-beating-from-furious-fans/news-story/04c747c09ac94a48304a0fd944ae2373

[Morgan.]

Link?

It was the Jimmy Kimmel interview

Basically
RDJ was like 'the futures uncertain' and Scarlett put her hand on his leg and laughed 'don't lie to them we're not gonna ever come back'. Not really an intentional spoiler and it's blink and you'll miss it, but it's there

[Morgan.]

Also thinking of starting my Marvel watch today. Had some big marvel fan friends reccomend an order for me that I'm happy with so just got to source everything to watch :dance:

[LukeB]

Also thinking of starting my Marvel watch today. Had some big marvel fan friends reccomend an order for me that I'm happy with so just got to source everything to watch :dance:

Captain Marvel is still showing at cinemas so you should see that before it goes. All of the sources would be cam recorded.

[LukeB]

The only MCU videos that's on netflix are

- Hulk
- Avengers Age of Ultron
- Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2
- Ant Man

[Morgan.]

The only MCU videos that's on netflix are

- Hulk
- Avengers Age of Ultron
- Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol 2
- Ant Man

I don't just have Netflix :joker:

And I've found HQ sources - you just have to look deep

[Morgan.]

Captain Marvel is still showing at cinemas so you should see that before it goes. All of the sources would be cam recorded.

Not near me. I checked yesterday - just Avengers.

In fact - Avengers is the only film that's actually showing in all 8 screens this week :skull:

[LukeB]

Not near me. I checked yesterday - just Avengers.

In fact - Avengers is the only film that's actually showing in all 8 screens this week :skull:

It's still showing in Birmingham:dance:

New Street Odeon still has it and it will be £5

[Morgan.]

It's still showing in Birmingham:dance:

New Street Odeon still has it and it will be £5

Yeah and my train there will be £15 and going to Birmingham on a weekend gives me major anxiety :joker:

[Tony Montana]

Also thinking of starting my Marvel watch today. Had some big marvel fan friends reccomend an order for me that I'm happy with so just got to source everything to watch :dance:

From their recommendations, I think you’ll like Civil War, Black Panther, Winter Soldier, Ragnarok, Guardians 1, Iron Man 1 and Homecoming the most.

[Tony Montana]

I’m on the bus on my way to work and some kids are talking about Endgame, they’re spoiling it. :joker:

[Morgan.]

From their recommendations, I think you’ll like Civil War, Black Panther, Winter Soldier, Ragnarok, Guardians 1, Iron Man 1 and Homecoming the most.

I hated Guardians 1 the first time but I'm giving it another chance

[Tony Montana]

I hated Guardians 1 the first time but I'm giving it another chance

I haven’t watched it in full myself, only seen clips of it. All my friends love it. It’s one of the few MCU films I haven’t seen.

[Niamh.]

GOTG and Ant man are the best ones :oh:

[LukeB]

GOTG and Ant man are the best ones :oh:

And Captain America :dance:

[Niamh.]

And Captain America :dance:

nah

[Oliver_W]

GOTG and Thor Ragnarok are better Star Wars movies than the Disney SW movies tbh <3

[Marsh.]

GOTG and Ant man are the best ones :oh:

Avoided Ant-Man for so long because it looked lame. Watched it on Netflix recently and it's great. Want to see Ant-Man and the Wasp now.

[Toy Soldier]

Yeah, I think there are two Steves, with one still frozen until about 2011 in that alternate past.

They set the rule about time-travel when they go to the past they can only change history of that reality (or dimension), not the original one.

It seemed like they broke that rule at they end though when older Steve was sitting on the bench. He would have had to have found a way back to the original dimension to be able to be there. For instance he rebuilt the time-machine with the help of Hank Pym or Tony Stark from that dimension. Which is stretch and a lot of trouble just to be able to give Falcon the shield.


No; The Ancient One explained to Prof. Hulk that the infinity stones themselves are what rectify the paradox of time travel and keep the reality flowing "as one". Different timelines split off if an infinity stone is removed from the timeline which is why she doesn't want him to take the time stone. That would split reality at that moment and leave her current timeline defenseless. Prof. Hulk counters that returning the stones to their place in the timeline "as though they were never gone" should maintain the structure of the timeline, which is why it's so important for them to take the stones back where they belong.

Cap goes back and returns all of the stones, unifying the timeline, and is still in that same timeline.

[James]

Oh, I see... I think.

What happens if Cap changes a historical fact in the past then? (after returning the stones).

[Toy Soldier]

Just back from seeing it by the way and it was awesome :omgno:.

I found it dragged SLIGHTLY somewhere in the middle of the stone collection, but the last hour-or-so was basically the best cinema I've ever seen. ****ing hell. The deaths were sad but made sense. Black Widow really had to go over Hawkeye... their story came full circle. Hawkeye took her away from a life of being a ruthless assassin as described in Avengers 1, she did the same for him here... and then sacrificed herself for him in what was EASILY the most natural feminist moment of the movie (more on that later...). It was the "right death" too... Black Widow as she said herself, was all about the job and doing the right thing. Hawkeye had a family - that he lost, yes - but the whole mission was to get all the dustfolks including them back! So if they're assuming they will win... he has a family that will be wrecked by his death.

Tony's sacrifice was awesome also. The moment slightly affected for me because a large man sat a few seats away from me (in a relatively empty screening) started BAWLING LIKE A BABY, for 10 full minutes, and then spent another 5 having a coughing fit because he blubbingly inhaled some popcorn :joker:.

The final battle was near perfect. But... ok in reference to the proper feminism above with Black Widow... I swear my ONLY gripe was when all of the women suddenly showed up to help Captain Marvel. It didn't make sense! Where did they all come from, and how is it realistic that ALL of the female heroes happened to be nearby... but no one else :think:. I get that it's meant to be a message but it was immersion breaking and thus ruined the moment. It felt shoe-horned.

JUST having Scarlet Witch, Valkyrie and Pepper Pots would have successfully conveyed the same moment without being logically broken... IMO :think:

Standout comedy goes to that last scene with Thor and the Asgardians of the Galaxy :joker:.

[Morgan.]

^ major spoilers there TS - I'd spoiler tag it

[Marsh.]

The movie is out. Spoiler tags should be for unreleased/unaired things.

If someone hasn't seen it this isn't the thread for them.

No use in a discussion thread just full of spoiler tags.

[Toy Soldier]

Oh, I see... I think.

What happens if Cap changes a historical fact in the past then? (after returning the stones).

Well one theory is that he would just be careful and live a quiet life with Peggy, and she would keep it secret.

Second I guess is that The Ancient One implied that the Infinity Stones actively keep the timeline intact so it would be impossible to drastically change any "key moments", as a "fate" of sorts keeps everything more or less on track. They also confirm that predestiny / fate exists in the MCU as The Ancient One already knows who Stephen Strange is (and that he'll be the Sorcerer Supreme), long before he meets her.

[Tom4784]

Oh, I see... I think.

What happens if Cap changes a historical fact in the past then? (after returning the stones).

The timeline would probably split again but I'm guessing that, since Cap went back AFTER his past self was already in the ice, he couldn't interfere with his own history by being in the past. If Peggy Carter was still where she needed to be in all the events she played a role in then the timeline wouldn't split.

[Toy Soldier]

^ major spoilers there TS - I'd spoiler tag it

The movie is out. Spoiler tags should be for unreleased/unaired things.

If someone hasn't seen it this isn't the thread for them.

No use in a discussion thread just full of spoiler tags.

I agree with Marsh, anyone who willingly enters a movie discussion thread before they've seen it and doesn't expect spoilers.. well... :umm2:.

I saw it today and I've been avoiding this thread like the plague since Thursday :joker:

[Morgan.]

The movie is out. Spoiler tags should be for unreleased/unaired things.

If someone hasn't seen it this isn't the thread for them.

No use in a discussion thread just full of spoiler tags.

Fair enough. I just know people in the thread have been coming in to say they're watching later or in a couple days. And pretty much everyone else have been spoiler tagging - so I just thought that's what everyone was doing?

I thought spoiler tags would be in use until it stopped airing at cinemas

[Toy Soldier]

Fair enough. I just know people in the thread have been coming in to say they're watching later or in a couple days. And pretty much everyone else have been spoiler tagging - so I just thought that's what everyone was doing?

I thought spoiler tags would be in use until it stopped airing at cinemas

I mean the thread title itself says "contains spoilers" ... :suspect:

[Morgan.]

I mean the thread title itself says "contains spoilers" ... :suspect:

I know that

I'm just aware most people have been spoiler tagging things I just thought that was what everyone was going with :shrug:

[James]

I just added the 'contains spoilers' bit.

[Barry.]

So Agent Carter tv series would of had to feature Steve if it was still airing lol.

[Toy Soldier]

So Agent Carter tv series would of had to feature Steve if it was still airing lol.

He's too high budget; you'd get a cameo at most (like Samuel L Jackson's 1-minute appearance in Agents of Shield), probably just a couple of mentions or maybe Carter acting like she's talking to him on the phone :joker:.

[Toy Soldier]

I just added the 'contains spoilers' bit.

Then are we spoiler tagging or not, I'm so confused!

[Toy Soldier]

OH another random thought I had:

Cap being able to use Mjolnir. Is it because he's worthy, OR is Mjolnir simply no longer locked to Thor? The "only the worthy" spell was cast by Odin, and might have died with him? Original Mjolnir was destroyed just after Odin's death and no one else has TRIED to lift it since Thor got it back. Maybe anyone (physically strong enough) can lift it now that Odin is gone :think:.

[Marsh.]

So Agent Carter tv series would of had to feature Steve if it was still airing lol.

Steve preventing it from getting cancelled this time? :clap1:

[Barry.]

Also is Harley Keener important in the comics? Like he appeared at the funeral so was he important enough to be there?

[Tony Montana]

Also is Harley Keener important in the comics? Like he appeared at the funeral so was he important enough to be there?

He isn't in the comics. He was introduced only for the MCU.

[Barry.]

He isn't in the comics. He was introduced only for the MCU.

Oh. I wonder why they included him in Endgame.

[Tony Montana]

Oh. I wonder why they included him in Endgame.

He developed a very close friendship with Tony in Iron Man 3 and helped him track down the Mandarin's base of operations in Miami.

He may also take up the Iron Man role himself in future films.

[Barry.]

He developed a very close friendship with Tony in Iron Man 3 and helped him track down the Mandarin's base of operations in Miami.

He may also take up the Iron Man role himself in future films.

I thought he met him in an other country? Need to rewatch Iron man 3.

[Tony Montana]

I thought he met him in an other country? Need to rewatch Iron man 3.

He met him in his hometown of Rose Hill, Tennessee. Tony broke into his house seeking food and shelter.

[BBfanUSA]

Also is Harley Keener important in the comics? Like he appeared at the funeral so was he important enough to be there?

He's a MCU only character but the speculation is that he might be Ironlad, given that we have an aged up Cassie and Lila Barton as well we could be seeing the possibility of a Next Avengers movie or Disney + series at least starting to form.

I don't think I see a certain kind of wanker taking too kindly to it because it's going to be 5 girls and 1 boy then probably (If we have Miss Marvel and Shuri to the mix as well)

[Toy Soldier]

He's a MCU only character but the speculation is that he might be Ironlad, given that we have an aged up Cassie and Lila Barton as well we could be seeing the possibility of a Next Avengers movie or Disney + series at least starting to form.

I don't think I see a certain kind of wanker taking too kindly to it because it's going to be 5 girls and 1 boy then probably (If we have Miss Marvel and Shuri to the mix as well)

Cassie Lang is bugging me in Endgame she is blatantly about 5 in Ant man, 8 in Ant Man 2 and then "5 years later" she's about 16 :suspect:. Wotchu tryna pull here Marvel.

[Toy Soldier]

Apparently, Ant-man (when talking about Pimm Particles) says "Scott Pimm" instead of "Hank Pimm". How did that get through the continuity testers? :joker:

[Barry.]

Seeing it again on Monday.

[Brother Leon]

OH another random thought I had:

Cap being able to use Mjolnir. Is it because he's worthy, OR is Mjolnir simply no longer locked to Thor? The "only the worthy" spell was cast by Odin, and might have died with him? Original Mjolnir was destroyed just after Odin's death and no one else has TRIED to lift it since Thor got it back. Maybe anyone (physically strong enough) can lift it now that Odin is gone :think:.

It’s befause he’s worthy.

Now, you can say he always was worthy, but he just didn’t want to steal Thor’s thunder like a true leader so he acted like he wasn’t, or you can say he became worthy after he admitted to Tony about Bucky killing his parents etc.

[Toy Soldier]

It’s befause he’s worthy.

Now, you can say he always was worthy, but he just didn’t want to steal Thor’s thunder like a true leader so he acted like he wasn’t, or you can say he became worthy after he admitted to Tony about Bucky killing his parents etc.How do you know, though? No one else has attempted to lift Mjolnir since the death of Odin and destruction of Asgard.

[Toy Soldier]

Also speaking of Mjolnir - where has it gone?? Cap left with his shield and the hammer, he came back and gave Falcap the shield but where is Mjolnir? :think: I'm pretty sure Thor left with just Stormbreaker. Did Cap misplace it? :worry:

[edit] Never mind I've just realised he probably had to return it to Past Thor when he was returning the reality stone to Asgard, or it would have broken history a bit.

[James]

Well one theory is that he would just be careful and live a quiet life with Peggy, and she would keep it secret.

Second I guess is that The Ancient One implied that the Infinity Stones actively keep the timeline intact so it would be impossible to drastically change any "key moments", as a "fate" of sorts keeps everything more or less on track. They also confirm that predestiny / fate exists in the MCU as The Ancient One already knows who Stephen Strange is (and that he'll be the Sorcerer Supreme), long before he meets her.

The timeline would probably split again but I'm guessing that, since Cap went back AFTER his past self was already in the ice, he couldn't interfere with his own history by being in the past. If Peggy Carter was still where she needed to be in all the events she played a role in then the timeline wouldn't split.

What the directors say.


Captain America’s closing scene in Avengers: Endgame has led to a lot of questions from moviegoers who aren’t exactly sure what it means.

The truth is, there are deliberate mysteries built into that sequence, which directors Joe and Anthony Russo suggested are setting up future stories.

Here’s what they can answer now …
***Spoilers Below***



In the end, Steve Rogers goes on a solo trip to restore the Infinity Stones from the other time dimensions to the moment they were taken, thereby bringing them back into alignment with the main timeline.

He also takes Thor’s Mjölnir hammer, though not necessarily as his own weapon. That has to be taken back to The Dark World era to set the timelines straight, too.

But then …he doesn’t come back. At least, not as we know him. He finds Peggy Carter and stays with her.

So, has Cap been living in the past this whole time — or did he go and live in another dimension?

The directors say it’s the latter.

“If Cap were to go back into the past and live there, he would create a branched reality,” Joe explained. “The question then becomes, how is he back in this reality to give the shield away?”

The brothers smile.

“Interesting question, right?” Joe said. “Maybe there’s a story there. There’s a lot of layers built into this movie and we spent three years thinking through it, so it’s fun to talk about it and hopefully fill in holes for people so they understand what we’re thinking.”


There are other questions in this sequence that set up this future story…
Bucky’s Foresight

The Russos confirm — Bucky knew. When Cap was preparing to for the trip, which is only supposed to last a few seconds in the main timeline, his old friend from Brooklyn gives him a surprisingly heavy farewell.

Somehow, he was aware that Cap was going to live in the past, and it’s probably more than just intuition. “Especially when he says goodbye,” Joe explained. “He says, ‘I’ll miss you.’ Clearly he knows something.”

But how? Has Winter Soldier already met with Old Cap at some previous point? It seems the answer is yes.

On the other hand, Joe adds, “Sam doesn’t know something.” Falcon has no idea about Old Cap, which is why The Winter Soldier urges him to go up and talk to the now-elderly Steve Rogers. Bucky already has the answer to the questions Sam is going to ask.

Maybe we’ll get our own answered in the streaming series called Falcon and Winter Soldier which is in the works for the Disney+ service.
“How does it feel?”

That’s what Old Cap asks Falcon after he gives him the vibranium shield.

“Like it’s someone else’s,” Falcon answers.

“It isn’t,” Cap tells him.

Does Rogers mean this as in, “it is yours now,” or is he telling the literal truth? After all, his own shield was shredded by Thanos in the final battle of Endgame.

Let’s spitball the possibilities: Maybe in the timeline where Old Cap has been living the shield he gave Sam actually belonged to that dimension’s Sam Wilson. Based on the chronology, by the time that Sam would have been fighting age, Steve Rogers would already be elderly and probably ready to hand off the mantle.

If so, what became of that Sam, since the shield has now been brought to this timeline?

These are all valid questions, according to the Russos, but we don’t have answers to them yet. All we can tell now is that it seems like the Marvel Studios braintrust have a plan to resolve them down the road.
The Captain’s Wife

Falcon notices the wedding band on Old Cap’s finger and asks if he’ll tell him about her. “No… no, I don’t think I will,” the old man replies.

We know from the final shot of the movie that Cap went back and found Peggy Carter, and we know the Russo brothers say he went to live in a branch timeline, not the prime one.

Still, many fans wonder if this is a misdirect (the Russos are known for that.) Could Steve Rogers have found a way to make the timelines realign? If so, that would allow him to live in the shadows as Peggy’s “secret husband” who has been acknowledged but gone unidentified so far in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

This seems unlikely based on the fact that the Russos said one of the outlying questions is “how is he back in this reality?”

Having him live quietly for decades in the prime reality also creates a lot of paradoxes: Why doesn’t he disrupt Hyrdra’s infiltration of SHIELD sooner? Why doesn’t he warn the Avengers about the coming alien invasion in 2012? Why doesn’t he interfere in all the major tragedies and conflicts that we know about?

Maybe he does do those things, but it would be in the alternate universe. When he politely declines to tell Sam about his wife, it may be a nod to the audience: You don’t get to know any of it either.

Still, maybe we will. Marvel Studios has already broken new ground with interlocked storytelling, so perhaps the next experiment is tiered storytelling — alternate versions of familiar tales.

For instance, the whole “where did Cap go?” question could very well be answered in the animated What If series that Marvel is developing for Disney+, based on something it’s been doing in comics for a while.

The first announced title explores what would happen if Peggy Carter got the super-soldier injection. So … what if that What If world of this show happens to be the one our Steve Rogers from the prime timeline came to inhabit?

Marvel

What if, what if, what if …

At this point, unfortunately, all we can say about What If is “it’s possible” and “who knows?”


From https://ew.com/movies/2019/04/30/avengers-endgame-russo-brothers-captain-america/

On the subject of nitpicking / plot-holes a question I had was after Hulk uses the Infinity Stones to bring back all the characters how were they able to organise themselves so quickly to come back as a group for the battle with Thanos. It was only about 15 minutes or so after they all came back into existence.

[Toy Soldier]

On the subject of nitpicking / plot-holes a question I had was after Hulk uses the Infinity Stones to bring back all the characters how were they able to organise themselves so quickly to come back as a group for the battle with Thanos. It was only about 15 minutes or so after they all came back into existence.

They come into existence exactly where they were at the point of disappearing almost as though it never happened, so the armies of Wakanda etc. just reappear on the battlefield already geared up and mid-battle... Same for the characters who dusted like (most of) the guardians, Dr Strange, Spiderman etc.

From the various aerial shots of the battle (especially when bombardment starts) we can see that there are quite a few of Strange's people in the mix so really all that needed to happen was;

- They get undusted
- Strange portals his group back to earth
- He gathers his wizard army
- They portal to Wakanda / Asgard Village etc.
- They open portals between those places and Avengers HQ and shout "The battle's over here now let's go!"

So in theory it could be done pretty quickly. A lot of them are already geared up and ready to go...

MY main issues with the undusting are;

1) Wtf happens if you were in a plane or something when the snap happened? :umm2:

2) It's been 5 years with a global population of 3.5 billion. Food production etc will have massively decreased... Houses will have been taken over or even demolished... Now the population is suddenly 7 billion again. Wtf are they going to do? [emoji23]

[Toy Soldier]

Rewatched OG Avengers;

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Steve Rogers:
Big man in a suit of armor. Take that off, what are you?

Tony Stark:
Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist.

Steve Rogers:
I know guys with none of that worth ten of you. I've seen the footage. The only thing you really fight for is yourself. You're not the guy to make the sacrifice play, to lay down on a wire and let the other guy crawl over you.

Tony Stark:
I think I would just cut the wire.

Steve Rogers:
Always a way out. You know, you may not be a threat, but you'd better stop pretending to be a hero.


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[Tony Montana]

The film has already grossed $1.2 billion in just 5 days :o I can definitely see it beating Avatar's record.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48084977

The film has now grossed more than 2 billion worldwide in just a week, surpassing Titanic. It's the fastest film to have crossed 2 billion in just 11 days, beating Avatar's previous record of 47 days. I'm 100% certain it will surpass Avatar now.


https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/5/18529601/avengers-endgame-marvel-disney-box-office-2-billion-worldwide

[Tony Montana]

Rewatched OG Avengers;

----------------------

Steve Rogers:
Big man in a suit of armor. Take that off, what are you?

Tony Stark:
Genius, billionaire, playboy, philanthropist.

Steve Rogers:
I know guys with none of that worth ten of you. I've seen the footage. The only thing you really fight for is yourself. You're not the guy to make the sacrifice play, to lay down on a wire and let the other guy crawl over you.

Tony Stark:
I think I would just cut the wire.

Steve Rogers:
Always a way out. You know, you may not be a threat, but you'd better stop pretending to be a hero.


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:bawling::bawling::bawling::bawling::bawling:

[Scarlett.]

In a way, the Defenders series' ended in the right place, if Disney ever revive them, they can pick the stories up in the time after Endgame

[LukeB]

I hope this overtakes Avatar

[Tony Montana]

I hope this overtakes Avatar

Same. If there's one film that deserves to beat it, it's Endgame.

[LukeB]

Same. If there's one film that deserves to beat it, it's Endgame.

It's been out for like 2 weeks now and it's already at 2 billion.

[Scarlett.]

I watched it today.

After Infinity War, I was over the moon, it was such an awesome film, but I had a feeling Endgame wouldn't be able to follow up on it, but in my opinion, Endgame was twice as good as Infinity War was

[Tony Montana]

It's been out for like 2 weeks now and it's already at 2 billion.

Most people doubted that it would even top Infinity War, let alone Avatar. :laugh:

[James]

Deleted scene.

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Kind of cheesy.

[Marsh.]

Kind of cheesy.

Just like every other scene then.

[Oliver_W]

I for one am shocked that a bunch of people in colourful outfits paying tribute to a man in a robot suit came off as cheesy!!

[Ant.]

Very moving but all I could think of was, "oh so Gamora really did just slip away huh"

[Tony Montana]

Mixed on the scene. It's powerful and very moving but it's a bit cheesy and forced, especially as some of them didn't know him.

[Tony Montana]

Endgame is officially the highest grossing film of all time, surpassing Avatar which held the record for 9 years. :dance::dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49069432