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Crimson Dynamo
19-12-2018, 11:37 AM
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This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”

All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”(which means “God with us”).

When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. But he did not consummate their marriage until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

Source: da Bible



That account above is what the whole shebang is based on and dont forget it was "written" down around 80 years after it was alleged to happen


so, having read that, what do you make of it?

bots
19-12-2018, 11:47 AM
In a word .... no ... She did well though coming up with that excuse

brat.
19-12-2018, 11:58 AM
I love the story of Danielle McMahon

Liam-
19-12-2018, 12:26 PM
I don’t believe in God so, no.

Withano
19-12-2018, 01:07 PM
Nah, Mary either cheated on Joseph, or banged him before they were married so they created a story so she wouldnt get stoned to death.. after a few years the son got in on the lie and learnt a few ‘magic’ tricks to make that money. He eventually gained a few h8rz but his m8z was all like ‘nah he died for your sins you horrible person’ when actually he died because he pissed off the clever kids in town that saw through his wall of lies.

Amen

Twosugars
19-12-2018, 01:26 PM
not LT suggesting we are about to celebrate a slut and a bastard :nono:

not very Christmassy

next he'll suggest Santa isn't real :inamood:

this madness has to stop!

Beso
19-12-2018, 01:32 PM
not LT suggesting we are about to celebrate a slut and a bastard :nono:

not very Christmassy

next he'll suggest Santa isn't real :inamood:

this madness has to stop!

Sounds like the after party for Tibbs most loved

smudgie
19-12-2018, 01:55 PM
IVF 2000 years before we invented it.
Amazing.

The Slim Reaper
19-12-2018, 02:01 PM
No, because Jesus is a myth.

Niamh.
19-12-2018, 02:02 PM
Why would anyone believe anything that was only written down after 80 years of Chinese whisperers?

Livia
19-12-2018, 02:10 PM
Jews see Christ as a prophet, not the son of God. So I'm going with "no".

That said, Merry Christmas all you atheists.

Niamh.
19-12-2018, 02:13 PM
Jews see Christ as a prophet, not the son of God. So I'm going with "no".

That said, Merry Christmas all you atheists.

Yes you do say that every year and every year I say the same thing. I (and most of western society) have adapted Christmas as a time to spend with your loved ones and decorate a tree, eat alot and have a break from work. It's about as un Godlike as you can get. The religious folk are very fond of stealing holidays so what's good for the goose and all that

Livia
19-12-2018, 02:21 PM
Yes you do say that every year and every year I say the same thing. I (and most of western society) have adapted Christmas as a time to spend with your loved ones and decorate a tree, eat alot and have a break from work. It's about as un Godlike as you can get. The religious folk are very found f stealing holidays so what's good for the goose and all that

And every year I agree with you... that it has become a time for families to get together and celebrate. And that's fine. I'm not a Christian and I celebrate Christmas. What I don't approve of is celebrating Christmas and then pouring scorn on Christians when everyone has a right to religious freedom to follow their faith, or to follow none. That last sentence isn't particularly pointed at you, Niamh x

You all should steal Hanukkah. You'd get more presents and it lasts for 8 days.

Glenn.
19-12-2018, 03:54 PM
Mary was a hoe

Oliver_W
19-12-2018, 04:16 PM
No, because Jesus is a myth.

He most categorically was not a myth, he existed. Whether or not he was the son of god is a different matter.

RileyH
19-12-2018, 04:50 PM
Dirty slapper

Crimson Dynamo
19-12-2018, 04:56 PM
He most categorically was not a myth, he existed. Whether or not he was the son of god is a different matter.

Plenty men existed but a supernatural one most certainly did not

Oliver_W
19-12-2018, 05:04 PM
Plenty men existed but a supernatural one most certainly did not

Then he existed but wasn't supernatural, fine.

Livia
19-12-2018, 05:14 PM
The Jews and the Muslims think he existed... but wasn't the son of God.

arista
19-12-2018, 05:18 PM
I don’t believe in God so, no.


You Are Most Wise Liam

Jordan.
19-12-2018, 05:18 PM
Joseph was a closet gay and Mary was a fag hag pretending to be his virgin wife whilst getting dick on the side. They both panicked at the pregancy and came up with a far fetched story that managed to scam humanity for thousands of years. Name a more iconic duo?

Livia
19-12-2018, 05:24 PM
Joseph was a closet gay and Mary was a fag hag pretending to be his virgin wife whilst getting dick on the side. They both panicked at the pregancy and came up with a far fetched story that managed to scam humanity for thousands of years. Name a more iconic duo?

You should be writing for the soaps.

Liam-
19-12-2018, 05:25 PM
You Are Most Wise Liam

Thank you Arista :hee:

Twosugars
19-12-2018, 05:35 PM
legitimate or not, I like Jesus and what he stood for so roll on Christmas :dance:

Withano
19-12-2018, 05:37 PM
Joseph was a closet gay and Mary was a fag hag pretending to be his virgin wife whilst getting dick on the side. They both panicked at the pregancy and came up with a far fetched story that managed to scam humanity for thousands of years. Name a more iconic duo?

:joker: i just spat smirnoff ice on the tshirt i was planning on wearing to the christmas party tonight :oh:

Livia
19-12-2018, 05:39 PM
legitimate or not, I like Jesus and what he stood for so roll on Christmas :dance:

Yeah... his message was love each other. Provocative b*****d

Tom4784
19-12-2018, 05:47 PM
As with all religions, Christianity took a real person and created a fiction out of their life to better indoctrinate the masses.

By all accounts, Jesus was simply a preacher preaching love and peace, I'd rather focus on that then the fiction that was written around him to weaponise him.

Mitchell
19-12-2018, 05:50 PM
Why would anyone believe anything that was only written down after 80 years of Chinese whisperers?

This is my view, but believe in what you want I guess.

Kazanne
19-12-2018, 06:26 PM
I was going to comment here,but as a Christian I find some of the comments really offensive,so I will pass on this one.

Beso
19-12-2018, 07:26 PM
Mary was a hoe

Mohammed was a paedophile allegedly.

GoldHeart
20-12-2018, 02:35 PM
We're all free to believe what we want obviously, but I don't understand why some feel the need to mock religion :notimpressed: . Not everyone believes in reincarnation but are you going to walk up to a Buddhist and insult them by saying they're talking "rubbish" ?? :facepalm: I think NOT .

Niamh.
20-12-2018, 02:38 PM
We're all free to believe what we want obviously, but I don't understand why some feel the need to mock religion :notimpressed: . Not everyone believes in reincarnation but are you going to walk up to a Buddhist and insult them by saying they're talking "rubbish" ?? :facepalm: I think NOT .

You say that like people are scared of Buddhists or something :laugh: I mean I don't come across many buddhists in everyday life anyway :shrug:

They were actually talking about this subject on the radio earlier and apparently the word "virgin" is a mis-translation, it originally said pretty not virgin?

The Slim Reaper
20-12-2018, 02:47 PM
We're all free to believe what we want obviously, but I don't understand why some feel the need to mock religion :notimpressed: . Not everyone believes in reincarnation but are you going to walk up to a Buddhist and insult them by saying they're talking "rubbish" ?? :facepalm: I think NOT .

Grown adults have decided to base their lives on fairy stories written in bronze age Palestine, and you're wondering why people feel the need to mock that?

user104658
20-12-2018, 03:01 PM
Most likely explanation is that Joseph himself got Mary pregnant before they were married, which at the time was a major issue, so they were like "No Wtf she is still a virgin honest must have been God".

Tom4784
20-12-2018, 03:02 PM
We're all free to believe what we want obviously, but I don't understand why some feel the need to mock religion :notimpressed: . Not everyone believes in reincarnation but are you going to walk up to a Buddhist and insult them by saying they're talking "rubbish" ?? :facepalm: I think NOT .

People are allowed their opinion. I personally find all organised religion to be bull**** because it's all written by man at the end of the day. People are allowed to believe what they want and so am I and I believe that organised religion, at it's core, has always been a weapon of control.

AnnieK
20-12-2018, 03:03 PM
If people's beliefs aren't forced on others and don't hurt anyone else why mock them? I don't like people forcing their beliefs on children but if they believe that Jesus was the Son of God born to a Virgin what's the problem :shrug:

Niamh.
20-12-2018, 03:04 PM
People are allowed their opinion. I personally find all organised religion to be bull**** because it's all written by man at the end of the day. People are allowed to believe what they want and so am I and I believe that organised religion, at it's core, has always been a weapon of control.

100%

bots
20-12-2018, 03:07 PM
People are allowed to mock others for just about anything, so why should religion get a free pass? People take this stuff way to seriously

Twosugars
20-12-2018, 03:09 PM
there's a fine line tho
Christians get singled out bc they won't sue or blow anybody up for it
don't see as much ridicule of Jews and Muslims, do you?
these three religions share a lot of stuff, you know

Niamh.
20-12-2018, 03:12 PM
there's a fine line tho
Christians get singled out bc they won't sue or blow anybody up for it
don't see as much ridicule of Jews and Muslims, do you?
these three religions share a lot of stuff, you know

Probably because (certainly for me anyway) people grew up with Christianity. I know alot about it, i was indoctrinated in to it so I feel more qualified to speak about that more than others that I have limited knowledge of. But in a general sense I think it's all BS, if that helps you? :hee:

GoldHeart
20-12-2018, 03:19 PM
there's a fine line tho
Christians get singled out bc they won't sue or blow anybody up for it
don't see as much ridicule of Jews and Muslims, do you?
these three religions share a lot of stuff, you know

Christians & Catholics always get singled out :rolleyes: .

In real life I heard someone saying she thinks the Bible & Virgin Mary is "rubbish" yet in the same breath contradicted herself by saying she respects Muslims , if that's not a contradiction I don't know what is :crazy: .

If you're an Atheist at least be consistent .

Twosugars
20-12-2018, 03:22 PM
Probably because (certainly for me anyway) people grew up with Christianity. I know alot about it, i was indoctrinated in to it so I feel more qualified to speak about that more than others that I have limited knowledge of. But in a general sense I think it's all BS, if that helps you? :hee:
personally I'm not fussed, I can take it (and I'm not religious)
but it does make me feel bad when our Christian members feel unable to post here bc of the abuse, especially now at Christmas

Niamh.
20-12-2018, 03:26 PM
personally I'm not fussed, I can take it (and I'm not religious)
but it does make me feel bad when our Christian members feel unable to post here bc of the abuse, especially now at Christmas

What abuse? no one has abused any members on here. The whole virgin thing should be questioned, I mean like I said, they now think it was probably an error in translation

GoldHeart
20-12-2018, 03:31 PM
What abuse? no one has abused any members on here. The whole virgin thing should be questioned, I mean like I said, they now think it was probably an error in translation

Like i said reincarnation is unusual and Crystals & healing can also be questioned as well but there's people that believe in those things.

Niamh.
20-12-2018, 03:32 PM
Like i said reincarnation is unusual and Crystals & healing can also be questioned as well but there's people that believe in those things.

Like you said what? People do question all that ****e aswell :laugh:

GoldHeart
20-12-2018, 03:34 PM
Like you said what? People do question all that ****e aswell :laugh:

Yeah some people do question these things , but more people embrace those things more and it's seen as "cool"

Tom4784
20-12-2018, 03:37 PM
I don't know anyone who doesn't view crystal healing as anything other than bull****.

Niamh.
20-12-2018, 03:46 PM
Yeah some people do question these things , but more people embrace those things more and it's seen as "cool"

um not in my experience

bots
20-12-2018, 04:34 PM
I don't know anyone who doesn't view crystal healing as anything other than bull****.

**** it, now i will need to think of another christmas gift for you :fist:

Twosugars
20-12-2018, 04:46 PM
Like you said what? People do question all that ****e aswell :laugh:

but back off Santa :nono:

Livia
20-12-2018, 06:38 PM
Grown adults have decided to base their lives on fairy stories written in bronze age Palestine, and you're wondering why people feel the need to mock that?

Grown adults who have faith. And yes, people feel the need to mock something they don't understand. You can believe whatever you like... I don't feel the need to mock you because that would be ignorant of me.

The Slim Reaper
20-12-2018, 07:21 PM
Grown adults who have faith. And yes, people feel the need to mock something they don't understand. You can believe whatever you like... I don't feel the need to mock you because that would be ignorant of me.

You make it sound like faith is some mystical unknowable thing when in reality it's anything but that. It just means accepting things without any evidence, that's it, nothing more glamorous than that, unfortunately for those who use it as a shield to avoid scrutinising their own beliefs.

People are free to believe whatever they choose, but ideas are not sacred, and especially when it comes to religion. Religion to this day has a say in the lives of the world; we only need to look at the detrimental effects catholicism has in Africa, or how Islam is a curse in the middle east and parts of Africa.

Or how religion in this very day in the US fights to take rights away from women who wish to control their own reproductive systems.

I'm sorry if that offends you, but it's nearly 2019 and we know stuff these days. In any other context, believing in the stuff that religion requires you to believe would be open to mockery. Religion was just our first attempt at understanding the world, nothing more grand than that, but I credit the ancients for their ambition.

By all means call me ignorant if you wish, but it would be misguided because I understand full well what religion is, I'm just not impressed.

The Slim Reaper
20-12-2018, 07:26 PM
He most categorically was not a myth, he existed. Whether or not he was the son of god is a different matter.

There is zero evidence that he existed. Zero.

Niamh.
20-12-2018, 07:28 PM
but back off Santa :nono:Obviously [emoji3]

Alf
20-12-2018, 07:34 PM
People are allowed their opinion. I personally find all organised religion to be bull**** because it's all written by man at the end of the day. People are allowed to believe what they want and so am I and I believe that organised religion, at it's core, has always been a weapon of control.is it all written by man? What about the religion of feminism, who wrote that?

The Slim Reaper
20-12-2018, 07:37 PM
is it all written by man? What about the religion of feminism, who wrote that?

https://media.giphy.com/media/NlR0RF1v972Mw/source.gif

Alf
20-12-2018, 07:41 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/NlR0RF1v972Mw/source.gifHe never writ it, did he?

Cherie
20-12-2018, 07:41 PM
I will comment when a thread appears around EID mocking Islam and it runs to 3 pages, or I could eat my hat if that happens, so i guess I will be eating my hat

I am not particularly religious, more of an Easter and Christmas catholic and even that is slipping a little, but some people find faith a great solace and why would I want to deny anyone that

The Slim Reaper
20-12-2018, 07:43 PM
He never writ it, did he?

https://i.imgur.com/Dtp0FL9.gif

Alf
20-12-2018, 07:45 PM
I will comment when a thread appears around EID mocking Islam and it runs to 3 pages, or I could eat my hat if that happens, so i guess I will be eating my hatCan you imagine if some posters in this thread got arrested for hate speech?

Twosugars
20-12-2018, 08:00 PM
There is zero evidence that he existed. Zero.
there are mentions of him by Jewish and Roman historians so

https://i.imgur.com/gP0tuDA.gif

Twosugars
20-12-2018, 08:01 PM
is it all written by man? What about the religion of feminism, who wrote that?
what are you on about?
1/feminism is not a religion
2/this thread is not about feminism

The Slim Reaper
20-12-2018, 08:24 PM
there are mentions of him by Jewish and Roman historians so

https://i.imgur.com/gP0tuDA.gif

None from the time he was alive and scholars widely believe that references to him in Josephus' writings were added later and not by the original author. I've done this in my education, so I don't need to look it up.

Twosugars
20-12-2018, 08:39 PM
None from the time he was alive and scholars widely believe that references to him in Josephus' writings were added later and not by the original author. I've done this in my education, so I don't need to look it up.
good gif tho ;)
Josephus might have been tampered with, but the gist of the passage is considered genuine. There's also Tacitus and apocryphal texts and circumstantial evidence
wikipedia says
Virtually all New Testament scholars and Near East historians, applying the standard criteria of historical investigation, find that the historicity of Jesus is effectively certain

Crimson Dynamo
20-12-2018, 08:49 PM
I will comment when a thread appears around EID mocking Islam and it runs to 3 pages, or I could eat my hat if that happens, so i guess I will be eating my hat

I am not particularly religious, more of an Easter and Christmas catholic and even that is slipping a little, but some people find faith a great solace and why would I want to deny anyone that

i would happily mock that disgusting cult but we have no one who would disagree

Marsh.
20-12-2018, 08:56 PM
is it all written by man? What about the religion of feminism, who wrote that?

Valerie Solanas. :love:

The Slim Reaper
20-12-2018, 08:56 PM
good gif tho ;)
Josephus might have been tampered with, but the gist of the passage is considered genuine. There's also Tacitus and apocryphal texts and circumstantial evidence
wikipedia says

Just to provide you with more information, there is no mention of Jesus' life for 60 years, and that is Josephus. Tacitus is 20 years later still. it doesn't even reference Jesus as a historical person, and is also widely viewed by modern scholars as probably being a forgery.

You are correct about scholars mostly accepting that Jesus was a historical figure, but that's not because of any actual evidence he existed. There isn't any.

Marsh.
20-12-2018, 08:57 PM
You make it sound like faith is some mystical unknowable thing when in reality it's anything but that. It just means accepting things without any evidence, that's it, nothing more glamorous than that, unfortunately for those who use it as a shield to avoid scrutinising their own beliefs.

People are free to believe whatever they choose, but ideas are not sacred, and especially when it comes to religion. Religion to this day has a say in the lives of the world; we only need to look at the detrimental effects catholicism has in Africa, or how Islam is a curse in the middle east and parts of Africa.

Or how religion in this very day in the US fights to take rights away from women who wish to control their own reproductive systems.

I'm sorry if that offends you, but it's nearly 2019 and we know stuff these days. In any other context, believing in the stuff that religion requires you to believe would be open to mockery. Religion was just our first attempt at understanding the world, nothing more grand than that, but I credit the ancients for their ambition.

By all means call me ignorant if you wish, but it would be misguided because I understand full well what religion is, I'm just not impressed.

"It's 2019 and we know stuff"

:laugh2:

Niamh.
20-12-2018, 09:16 PM
I will comment when a thread appears around EID mocking Islam and it runs to 3 pages, or I could eat my hat if that happens, so i guess I will be eating my hat

I am not particularly religious, more of an Easter and Christmas catholic and even that is slipping a little, but some people find faith a great solace and why would I want to deny anyone thatI don't even know when that is [emoji23]

Tom4784
20-12-2018, 10:27 PM
is it all written by man? What about the religion of feminism, who wrote that?

Feminism is a social movement and mindset, not a religion but you already know what.

Tom4784
20-12-2018, 10:31 PM
I despise religion equally but will stand up for one if I think people are hypocritical in picking and choosing which religions to hate when they've all inspired similar tragedies and crimes across the ages.

The truth is, if you wear a crucifix out in public, you are not really likely to be harassed in any way, if a muslim wears a burkha or other religious clothes then they have more of a chance of being victimised than a christian would on the grounds of their religion.

Cherie
20-12-2018, 10:41 PM
I don't even know when that is [emoji23]

It’s a moveable celebration like Easter, depends on the movement of the sun or something..

GoldHeart
20-12-2018, 10:58 PM
It’s a moveable celebration like Easter, depends on the movement of the sun or something..

Yeah and there's 2 Eid celebrations

Twosugars
20-12-2018, 11:23 PM
I despise religion equally but will stand up for one if I think people are hypocritical in picking and choosing which religions to hate when they've all inspired similar tragedies and crimes across the ages.

The truth is, if you wear a crucifix out in public, you are not really likely to be harassed in any way, if a muslim wears a burkha or other religious clothes then they have more of a chance of being victimised than a christian would on the grounds of their religion.

tbf that hasn't started without a reason, Islam happens to be the only major religion with terrorist fundamentalists operating at the moment. However misguided, public backlash is understandable.

Cherie
21-12-2018, 09:27 AM
tbf that hasn't started without a reason, Islam happens to be the only major religion with terrorist fundamentalists operating at the moment. However misguided, public backlash is understandable.

Good point, it was the same when the IRA were bombing the UK, the Irish catholics got it in the neck

The Slim Reaper
21-12-2018, 09:47 AM
tbf that hasn't started without a reason, Islam happens to be the only major religion with terrorist fundamentalists operating at the moment. However misguided, public backlash is understandable.

That's not remotely correct. However, I'm not a fan of terrorism top trumps so I'll just point out that anyone believing they are receiving orders directly from a god, is automatically much more dangerous than a guy worried about earthly concerns.

thesheriff443
21-12-2018, 10:08 AM
If I put a gun to some ones head and said will your religion stop this bullet blowing your brains out, regardless of what religion it is, the the facts will speak for themselves after the trigger has been pulled.

Beso
21-12-2018, 10:44 AM
I despise religion equally but will stand up for one if I think people are hypocritical in picking and choosing which religions to hate when they've all inspired similar tragedies and crimes across the ages.

The truth is, if you wear a crucifix out in public, you are not really likely to be harassed in any way, if a muslim wears a burkha or other religious clothes then they have more of a chance of being victimised than a christian would on the grounds of their religion.



That all depends on what areas of a city you walk about in.....on both sides.

Beso
21-12-2018, 10:47 AM
If I put a gun to some ones head and said will your religion stop this bullet blowing your brains out, regardless of what religion it is, the the facts will speak for themselves after the trigger has been pulled.

To be fair I think it's a fair assumption to make that all would say no, no my religion will not stop that bullet from killing me..

thesheriff443
21-12-2018, 11:46 AM
To be fair I think it's a fair assumption to make that all would say no, no my religion will not stop that bullet from killing me..

So that makes all religions worth the same nothing.

Kazanne
21-12-2018, 11:51 AM
So that makes all religions worth the same nothing.

Religion isn't magic it's a belief by some , we all know a belief in religion would not stop a bullet to the head from killing someone, whatever religion one follows:shrug:

Greg!
21-12-2018, 11:56 AM
Maybe Mary was accidentally artificially inseminated like Jane the virgin

Twosugars
21-12-2018, 12:06 PM
That's not remotely correct.
then correct me :shrug:

The Slim Reaper
21-12-2018, 12:48 PM
then correct me :shrug:

There's the Ugandan lords resistance army, responsible for the rape, murder, and displacement of over 100,000 people.

We have Christian militias in central Africa partaking in ethnic cleansing of Muslims after destroying all the mosques.

The FBI and nearly 400 other agencies have stated the white, christian, right wing terrorism is the biggest domestic threat they are facing,

The KKK is a white, christian, terrorist organisation currently recruiting record numbers.

White, Christian, nationalist, terrorists are growing at a faster pace on the internet than isis according to a US law enforcement study (US law enforcement leans heavily to the right)

The Phineas priesthood - a US group known for bombing abortion clinics,

Concerned Christians is an Israeli terrorist org committed to the conversion of all Jews.

That's just a few for starters. I could point out loads of "lone wolf" type of Christian terrorism that has been increasing for years, but what's the point, as Muslims are never treated as "lone wolves"

There are more out there but just to give a quick, brief example to highlight that Christian terrorism is alive and well, and actually on the rise. I hate to even provide this information because it doesn't add anything to the discussion. All religions are equally absurd, and magical thinking and belief you are fulfilling the wishes of a deity lends itself rather to easily to abhorrent acts of terror.

Beso
21-12-2018, 12:55 PM
So that makes all religions worth the same nothing.

No, not at all.


Religion is very valuable to people who believe as they trudge their way through life..a belief in God and a greater place will have kept many many people going when everything around them has turned to ****.

You would be surprised how life events can make you think twice about God. ..almost to the point of praying every night that there is this better place and there is this God looking after us after our time on earth.

Twosugars
21-12-2018, 12:55 PM
Thank you for providing this info, Slim Reaper.
I don't want to defend it, but imo religion is a convenient excuse, an useful banner to rally around. The root of the problem is intolerance and political interests. Not to mention human nature which too often tries to isolate, reject and destroy those deemed as different.

thesheriff443
21-12-2018, 12:56 PM
Religion isn't magic it's a belief by some , we all know a belief in religion would not stop a bullet to the head from killing someone, whatever religion one follows:shrug:

So you might as well believe in Father Christmas

Twosugars
21-12-2018, 12:59 PM
So you might as well believe in Father Christmas
All he offers is occasional gifts, not a comprehensive belief of the world with eternal salvation at the end.

thesheriff443
21-12-2018, 01:01 PM
No, not at all.


Religion is very valuable to people who believe as they trudge their way through life..a belief in God and a greater place will have kept many many people going when everything around them has turned to ****.

You would be surprised how life events can make you think twice about God. ..almost to the point of praying every night that there is this better place and there is this God looking after us after our time on earth.

A mother drowned her little girl in the bath as a sacrifice to religion recently.

Some find answers in the bible some in a bottle of booze some in a crack pipe

People look to religion when they can’t make sense of the world around them

thesheriff443
21-12-2018, 01:06 PM
All he offers is occasional gifts, not a comprehensive belief of the world with eternal salvation at the end.

To believe in heaven you have to believe in hell.

Does an innocent child that’s raped tortured and then killed find eternal happiness and that of their family.

Does the kids killet rot in hell, no he is kept in the warm and dry fed and give access to arts crafts material to learn and if he does get hurt he gets the right to sue the tax payer for his mistreatment

Twosugars
21-12-2018, 01:07 PM
A mother drowned her little girl in the bath as a sacrifice to religion recently.

Some find answers in the bible some in a bottle of booze some in a crack pipe

People look to religion when they can’t make sense of the world around them

the mother was clearly not mentally well

the other two statements are totes correct.
Religion is very attractive as it takes cares of existential worries and provides protection (theoretical of course).
Not everybody is prepared to accept the big fat unknowns of why we're here, where we came from and where we going.

Beso
21-12-2018, 01:21 PM
A mother drowned her little girl in the bath as a sacrifice to religion recently.

Some find answers in the bible some in a bottle of booze some in a crack pipe

People look to religion when they can’t make sense of the world around them

I don't see why you seem to have such an issue with people believing in religion or God if they use it as a comfort!..to mock them for believing shows a rather uncaring side Imo.

thesheriff443
21-12-2018, 01:41 PM
I don't see why you seem to have such an issue with people believing in religion or God if they use it as a comfort!..to mock them for believing shows a rather uncaring side Imo.

See that’s were you are so wrong people can believe in what they like it does not bother me and more so what ever religion they believe in!

I have an opinion, if not my fault if people take offence with my opinion I’m not in any way taking offence by anyone’s beliefs

Beso
21-12-2018, 02:16 PM
See that’s were you are so wrong people can believe in what they like it does not bother me and more so what ever religion they believe in!

I have an opinion, if not my fault if people take offence with my opinion I’m not in any way taking offence by anyone’s beliefs

Yeah but to say or tell them they would be just as well believing in santa clause, to.me sounds like you are mocking them for their beliefs....you don't get believers mocking non believers on this forum do you.

The Slim Reaper
21-12-2018, 02:26 PM
Yeah but to say or tell them they would be just as well believing in santa clause, to.me sounds like you are mocking them for their beliefs....you don't get believers mocking non believers on this forum do you.

How would that even look?

Marsh.
21-12-2018, 02:41 PM
If I put a gun to some ones head and said will your religion stop this bullet blowing your brains out, regardless of what religion it is, the the facts will speak for themselves after the trigger has been pulled.

What a stupid comment.

AnnieK
21-12-2018, 03:17 PM
A mother drowned her little girl in the bath as a sacrifice to religion recently.

Some find answers in the bible some in a bottle of booze some in a crack pipe

People look to religion when they can’t make sense of the world around them


The mother said she heard voices telling her to do it.....that's not religion, that is mental illness

Jessica.
21-12-2018, 03:33 PM
I think Mary was only 14 when she was pregnant which is actually quite sad, girls probably weren't educated very well back then either. It's possible that she really didn't know how pregnancy happened and that it was a complete accident. Joseph did the right thing if he was the one who got her pregnant. The story of god/angels obviously isn't real but it worked for all of them so I'm not going to judge.

thesheriff443
21-12-2018, 03:38 PM
Yeah but to say or tell them they would be just as well believing in santa clause, to.me sounds like you are mocking them for their beliefs....you don't get believers mocking non believers on this forum do you.

If you want to take some ones opinion on a big brother forum as personal then that says more about them than me.

I’m not asking any one to like or accept my opinion, it’s just my opinion.

thesheriff443
21-12-2018, 03:45 PM
What a stupid comment.

Look every one, the troll is back, adding nothing as usual just another passive aggressive comment.

Marsh.
21-12-2018, 04:23 PM
Look every one, the troll is back, adding nothing as usual just another passive aggressive comment.

Nothing passive aggressive about it. Make a ludicrously stupid comment and I'll point it out. :pat:

Makes a change from your usual self pitying guff so kudos. :thumbs:

Beso
22-12-2018, 08:58 AM
If you want to take some ones opinion on a big brother forum as personal then that says more about them than me.

I’m not asking any one to like or accept my opinion, it’s just my opinion.

As mine is mine...