View Full Version : Gatwick Airport has been closed since 8pm last night
Cherie
20-12-2018, 07:39 AM
over 10,000 passengers inconvenienced because some idiots are flying two drones near the runway.
It won't open until at least 10am this morning
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/19/allflights-gatwick-airport-halted-amid-reports-drones-flying/
smudgie
20-12-2018, 07:41 AM
Ridiculous.
Should be banned :fist:
Cherie
20-12-2018, 07:44 AM
All those flights cancelled, people going on honeymoon, kids going to Lapland, people on their way home for Christmas, and yet unbelievably you have people ringing in saying this is no biggie
arista
20-12-2018, 08:42 AM
Reports are saying the battery's
should only last 40 mins or so on them
so the maybe modified.
Is Daylight now
Police should shoot them down.
Criminals are doing this
it shows they need sort this
i missed this, i was busy flying my drone last night
arista
20-12-2018, 10:01 AM
Police have said they
may use other means?
Yes Shoot them down.
https://news.sky.com/story/chaos-at-gatwick-after-drone-sightings-force-runway-closure-11586557
Cherie
20-12-2018, 10:39 AM
i missed this, i was busy flying my drone last night
lol, loads of people trapped abroad as well trying to get home
this is a deliberate act police have confirmed as they drone left presumably to recharge and then reappeared
Withano
20-12-2018, 10:48 AM
i missed this, i was busy flying my drone last night
:joker:
Cherie
20-12-2018, 12:37 PM
still closed, 110,000 passengers affected now, how easy it is to completely render an airport useless
James
20-12-2018, 01:36 PM
Could it have been protesters?
arista
20-12-2018, 01:41 PM
Could it have been protesters?
Yes some say to stop the next 2nd runway idea
for Gatwick
The best fast way is a Police Sniper
shooting them to the ground
latest is it may open 4pm
Cherie
20-12-2018, 01:49 PM
Yes some say to stop the next 2nd runway idea
for Gatwick
The best fast way is a Police Sniper
shooting them to the ground
latest is it may open 4pm
They say they wont shoot it down because of the chance of a stray bullet and also they need to find out who owns it
Niamh.
20-12-2018, 01:53 PM
Idiots, they're going to be in some serious **** when they get caught
arista
20-12-2018, 01:56 PM
They say they wont shoot it down because of the chance of a stray bullet and also they need to find out who owns it
Pro Snipers can do it.
Livia
20-12-2018, 02:22 PM
Get a drone professional to send another drone up after it, bring the bloody thing down. They'll find out who it is and I hope everyone who's delayed makes a civil claim against them.
arista
20-12-2018, 02:23 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12/20/11/7659100-6513923-image-m-64_1545306398278.jpg
Snipers there now
[Police send in SNIPERS to shoot down
Gatwick drone: Armed officers hunt drone
pilot 'deliberately' flying aircraft in and out
of runway airspace leaving 800
flights disrupted - as Christmas travellers
are told airport will take 'several DAYS to recover']
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6513923/Chaos-Gatwick-drone-spotted-near-airport-SHUTS-runway.html
https://e3.365dm.com/18/12/992x558/skynews-gatwick-airport-drones_4525179.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20181220141702
https://news.sky.com/story/chaos-at-gatwick-after-drone-sightings-force-runway-closure-11586557
numerous drones are being used..they are being sent up at intervals to cause major destruction...it is working.
arista
20-12-2018, 02:48 PM
numerous drones are being used..they are being sent up at intervals to cause major destruction...it is working.
Yes like a possible protest group
against the 2nd Runway idea.
Or a Group of Criminals
laughing at the damage the are getting away with
why don't the send a drone in to hunt the operators. Flights are now suspended until this evening
Cherie
20-12-2018, 03:06 PM
If it is a protest group, I hope their next hard earned holiday is ruined by someone else
I am inclined to think it is more than that though, protesters generally like to be seen
its someone doing it because they can. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a request for money has been made. I also dont see anything stopping them from disrupting every airport in the country. It wouldnt be difficult as things stand
arista
20-12-2018, 03:17 PM
If it is a protest group, I hope their next hard earned holiday is ruined by someone else
I am inclined to think it is more than that though, protesters generally like to be seen
Maybe they are aware of the Prison time
new law.
Who ever is doing these group drones
has planned it.
Police Helicopters are flying over the airport
Niamh.
20-12-2018, 03:18 PM
Maybe they are aware of the Prison time
new law.
Who ever is doing these group drones
has planned it.
Police Helicopters are flying over the airport
Also, it would be a pretty pointless protest if no one even knows what they're protesting against :laugh:
arista
20-12-2018, 03:45 PM
Also, it would be a pretty pointless protest if no one even knows what they're protesting against :laugh:
Sure
but after it Ends
Protesters could then appear
and would then say they
did not do the Drones.
arista
20-12-2018, 03:49 PM
Now The Army are helping the Police
They are saying use Net Guns
and other tech, to get the drones down
https://news.sky.com/story/what-technology-can-you-use-to-take-down-a-drone-11587055
Oliver_W
20-12-2018, 04:02 PM
Not Ryanair's economy flights?!
Sticks
20-12-2018, 04:27 PM
On the other hand...
Do you know how much environmental damage flying does to our planet?
How can you justify that for a mere holiday?
These people are shutting down an entire airport and preventing damage to the environment by selfish holiday makers who do not car a fig for the planet and climate change
If the drone pilots can evade capture, work in teams and permanently shut down Gatwick, think of how much carbon they will save
It has been a while since I had a chance to play Devil's advocate and argue for the least popular side
:whistle:
arista
20-12-2018, 04:32 PM
On the other hand...
Do you know how much environmental damage flying does to our planet?
How can you justify that for a mere holiday?
These people are shutting down an entire airport and preventing damage to the environment by selfish holiday makers who do not car a fig for the planet and climate change
If the drone pilots can evade capture, work in teams and permanently shut down Gatwick, think of how much carbon they will save
It has been a while since I had a chance to play Devil's advocate and argue for the least popular side
:whistle:
Sure but a Evil thing to do,
for folks trying just to get home.
Sticks
20-12-2018, 04:39 PM
Sure but a Evil thing to do,
for folks trying just to get home.
How about using more environmentally friendly forms of transport and also they should have thought of that before they selfishly flew for a mere holiday?
Do you not care about our planet?
arista
20-12-2018, 04:48 PM
How about using more environmentally friendly forms of transport and also they should have thought of that before they selfishly flew for a mere holiday?
Do you not care about our planet?
Sure
but you are missing the point
Family's trying to return
on booked flights
just want to get home.
How about using more environmentally friendly forms of transport and also they should have thought of that before they selfishly flew for a mere holiday?
Do you not care about our planet?
Do you use buses? Cars?....planes?
Sticks
20-12-2018, 04:54 PM
Do you use buses? Cars?....planes?
Trains and buses
But they are not as damaging to the environment as air travel is
Check out the carbon footprint of each...
I did and it was mind blowing just how damaging to the environment flying is
Sticks
20-12-2018, 04:55 PM
Sure
but you are missing the point
Family's trying to return
on booked flights
just want to get home.
Rebook on non flying options then.
Mitchell
20-12-2018, 05:04 PM
Trains and buses
But they are not as damaging to the environment as air travel is
Check out the carbon footprint of each...
I did and it was mind blowing just how damaging to the environment flying is
What bus goes to America?
arista
20-12-2018, 05:06 PM
Rebook on non flying options then.
Not so easy for such a large amount
Mitchell
20-12-2018, 05:07 PM
Nobody is getting compensation either due to exceptional circumstances
Sticks
20-12-2018, 05:14 PM
What bus goes to America?
Why do you need to go to America?
How do you justify that?
Sticks
20-12-2018, 05:15 PM
Nobody is getting compensation either due to exceptional circumstances
Icing on the cake then
Serves them right for their selfishness in flying for a mere holiday and not giving one thought for the planet and climate change...
arista
20-12-2018, 05:20 PM
Nobody is getting compensation either due to exceptional circumstances
All that money many have paid
whoever they are using loads of drones
they have so far Won, sadly.
Matthew.
20-12-2018, 05:20 PM
Icing on the cake then
Serves them right for their selfishness in flying for a mere holiday and not giving one thought for the planet and climate change...
i can’t tell if you’re taking the piss or not
Oliver_W
20-12-2018, 05:27 PM
Why do you need to go to America?
How do you justify that?
No-one needs anything beyond the means to eat enough and to not die due to exposure to the elements. But if they can afford to eat until they explode in multiple houses whilst spending several weeks in different countries, then good for them!
Cherie
20-12-2018, 05:50 PM
On the other hand...
Do you know how much environmental damage flying does to our planet?
How can you justify that for a mere holiday?
These people are shutting down an entire airport and preventing damage to the environment by selfish holiday makers who do not car a fig for the planet and climate change
If the drone pilots can evade capture, work in teams and permanently shut down Gatwick, think of how much carbon they will save
It has been a while since I had a chance to play Devil's advocate and argue for the least popular side
:whistle:
Air travel is used for more than leisure though :shrug:
arista
20-12-2018, 06:06 PM
Yes Very True Cherie
Urgent Medicine, that saves lives.
From ITV1 London
they showed one of those Drones at 3PM today
being chased by a Police Helicopter
arista
20-12-2018, 06:14 PM
Also Sticks
all other UK airports have lifted their Night time flight bans .
Transport Minister has permitted that.
Trains and buses
But they are not as damaging to the environment as air travel is
Check out the carbon footprint of each...
I did and it was mind blowing just how damaging to the environment flying is
Do you rage at cancellations?
James
20-12-2018, 07:05 PM
This is reminding me of when the Icelandic volcano erupted, and flights were grounded.
Surely the guy has to be within a reasonable distance of the drone, it's crazy they can't find him with the thousands of officers and resources they must have behind it
they should be able to intercept the drone radio signal and then trace the source of the transmission. My guess is that we are not being told the whole story surrounding this at the moment
Greg!
21-12-2018, 01:04 AM
I genuinely think that its aliens and the government is covering it up. Calling the army in to try (and fail) to shoot down a drone. OH COME ON LUVVIE!
Niamh.
21-12-2018, 07:21 AM
I genuinely think that its aliens and the government is covering it up. Calling the army in to try (and fail) to shoot down a drone. OH COME ON LUVVIE!:o could be though
arista
21-12-2018, 07:21 AM
https://news.sky.com/story/chaos-at-gatwick-after-drone-sightings-force-runway-closure-11586557
Limited Flights are back on
but those criminals Operating their Drones
are still out there
arista
21-12-2018, 07:30 AM
https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/bDT2--QvM8nN-8FxMwn7Rw/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/zdc5xjE1REGgJC0MvuZf_Telegraph.JPG
arista
21-12-2018, 02:55 PM
https://e3.365dm.com/18/12/750x563/skynews-drone-box-gatwick_4526186.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20181221124336
A New Device at Gatwick on a Van.
https://news.sky.com/story/police-hunt-drone-disruption-suspects-as-gatwick-resumes-services-11587702
Of course, those using the drones are still out there
so they can start another Stoppage.
Police and Army Snipers now can shoot them down
hijaxers
21-12-2018, 04:16 PM
Whatever the reason for this attack ,its probasbly made every airport in every country wake up to how vunerable they are.
The people that did this - well i hope you are happy you have destroyed Christmas for thousands of people ! I also hope they catch you and you never have another Christmas playing with your toys.
arista
21-12-2018, 05:25 PM
Gatwick is now Suspended the runway again.
A Drone is back
https://news.sky.com/story/gatwick-suspends-flights-after-another-drone-sighting-11588259
Crimson Dynamo
21-12-2018, 05:34 PM
:omgno:
Sticks
21-12-2018, 05:43 PM
Whatever the reason for this attack ,its probasbly made every airport in every country wake up to how vunerable they are.
The people that did this - well i hope you are happy you have destroyed Christmas for thousands of people ! I also hope they catch you and you never have another Christmas playing with your toys.
Alternatively to the people flying for a mere holiday, I hope you are happy about destroying our planet with your selfish behaviour - Two sides to everything, so I am forever told...
Sticks
21-12-2018, 05:49 PM
Gatwick is now Suspended the runway again.
A Drone is back
https://news.sky.com/story/gatwick-suspends-flights-after-another-drone-sighting-11588259
Maybe the drone pilots will keep it up forever until Gatwick is closed for good...
It does not seem that the police are any further forward in stopping them. Time to call it a day on Gatwick and welcome the carbon footprint reduction by the final closure of this airport.
Maybe they will send another team of drones to Heathrow to help put an end to flying there?
Denver
21-12-2018, 05:51 PM
make them spend their life in prison
Cherie
21-12-2018, 05:54 PM
Is there some system that prevent drones from getting near airports why on earth isn't this in place
hijaxers
21-12-2018, 05:55 PM
Alternatively to the people flying for a mere holiday, I hope you are happy about destroying our planet with your selfish behaviour - Two sides to everything, so I am forever told...
Ok you - i have not had a holiday for over 30 years ! you happy ! now sod off and stop picking on everyone.
Cherie
21-12-2018, 05:55 PM
Maybe the drone pilots will keep it up forever until Gatwick is closed for good...
It does not seem that the police are any further forward in stopping them. Time to call it a day on Gatwick and welcome the carbon footprint reduction by the final closure of this airport.
Maybe they will send another team of drones to Heathrow to help put an end to flying there?
Lets hope you never have a close family member needing to get back home quickly for a family emergency
Cherie
21-12-2018, 05:56 PM
Ok you - i have not had a holiday for over 30 years ! you happy ! now sod off and stop picking on everyone.
:hee:
James
21-12-2018, 05:58 PM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2018/12/20/Matt-20-small_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSVWe Z_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.png
Funny Matt cartoon.
Crimson Dynamo
21-12-2018, 05:58 PM
yep
no point going on about climate change and then flying to Austria for your 2 week ski holiday with the Tudor-Craigs and the Hames-Pilkintons
Sticks
21-12-2018, 05:59 PM
Ok you - i have not had a holiday for over 30 years ! you happy ! now sod off and stop picking on everyone.
My job here is to put the opposing view, that is why I am a Cyber Devil's Advocate, as it says in my signature...
The people doing this are wanting to stop all flights, permanently and they are winning...
Denver
21-12-2018, 06:00 PM
The fact this could have turned into a serious accident is disgusting
Sticks
21-12-2018, 06:02 PM
Lets hope you never have a close family member needing to get back home quickly for a family emergency
Actually none of us fly.
When my mother died my brother in Canada attended the funeral by Skype, without the need to fly, so it can be done.
My concern is for those people on islands that are due to disappear due to rising sea levels, who cares about them on here?
arista
21-12-2018, 06:02 PM
Maybe the drone pilots will keep it up forever until Gatwick is closed for good...
It does not seem that the police are any further forward in stopping them. Time to call it a day on Gatwick and welcome the carbon footprint reduction by the final closure of this airport.
Maybe they will send another team of drones to Heathrow to help put an end to flying there?
No Way
Sticks
21-12-2018, 06:05 PM
No Way
Well as I pointed out, they have not had any luck tracking anyone down, and the drone pilots keep up their actions unhindered, making sure environmentally damaging aircraft do not fly.
Sticks
21-12-2018, 06:07 PM
On a side point, the thread title ought to be changed to "Gatwick Airport has been closed since 8pm Wednesday 19 December"
James
21-12-2018, 06:09 PM
Aviation fuel only contributes 2.5% of the world's CO2 emissions.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-46455844
Crimson Dynamo
21-12-2018, 06:10 PM
The environmental impact of aviation occurs because aircraft engines emit heat, noise, particulates, and gases which contribute to climate change and global dimming. ... And in the European Union, greenhouse gas emissions from aviation increased by 87 percent between 1990 and 2006.
Crimson Dynamo
21-12-2018, 06:11 PM
Take one round-trip flight between New York and California, and you’ve generated about 20 percent of the greenhouse gases that your car emits over an entire year.
arista
21-12-2018, 06:14 PM
On a side point, the thread title ought to be changed to "Gatwick Airport has been closed since 8pm Wednesday 19 December"
No as it was open from this morning
until the Criminal Drone was back
arista
21-12-2018, 06:24 PM
Flights are now back on.
Liam-
21-12-2018, 06:26 PM
There’s always one way guaranteed to garner sympathy and support for your cause, inconvenience thousand of people just trying to go about their business, lock them all up when found.
arista
21-12-2018, 06:32 PM
https://e3.365dm.com/18/12/750x563/skynews-drone-box-gatwick_4526185.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20181221124316
Looks like the New Device may (on a high pole on a van)
have Stopped the Criminal Drone.
Flights are back on
https://news.sky.com/story/gatwick-suspends-flights-after-another-drone-sighting-11588269
user104658
21-12-2018, 06:48 PM
Wait... so there's tech capable of tracking and jamming drones, but it's not installed at every airport as standard? :think: seems like an over-sight doesn't it?
Wait... so there's tech capable of tracking and jamming drones, but it's not installed at every airport as standard? :think: seems like an over-sight doesn't it?
it's not an oversight as it can interfere with aircraft too, so its a bit of an extreme measure.
James
21-12-2018, 07:52 PM
1076184673640943616
:hehe:
user104658
21-12-2018, 09:25 PM
it's not an oversight as it can interfere with aircraft too, so its a bit of an extreme measure.
It seems odd that they've eliminated the minuscule chance of a drone collision by using equipment that might interfere with aircraft equipment? Is it any safer? :think:
hijaxers
21-12-2018, 09:36 PM
My job here is to put the opposing view, that is why I am a Cyber Devil's Advocate, as it says in my signature...
The people doing this are wanting to stop all flights, permanently and they are winning...
My job is to put you on ignore, Merry Christmas and goodbye.
Matthew.
21-12-2018, 10:10 PM
My job is to put you on ignore, Merry Christmas and goodbye.
:love:
hijaxers
22-12-2018, 06:23 AM
Maybe the drone pilots will keep it up forever until Gatwick is closed for good...
It does not seem that the police are any further forward in stopping them. Time to call it a day on Gatwick and welcome the carbon footprint reduction by the final closure of this airport.
Maybe they will send another team of drones to Heathrow to help put an end to flying there?
Well your friends have been caught, we all hope they enjoy their very long holiday (in different prisons) they need the break !
arista
22-12-2018, 07:27 AM
[Sussex Police said a man and woman were
detained "in the Gatwick area" shortly
after 10pm on Friday.
The arrests were part of "ongoing investigations
into the criminal use of drones which has
severely disrupted flights in and out
of Gatwick Airport", the force said.]
https://news.sky.com/story/gatwick-drones-two-people-arrested-over-criminal-use-at-airport-11588565
Denver
22-12-2018, 07:36 AM
Life in prison please
Sticks
22-12-2018, 08:11 AM
Well your friends have been caught, we all hope they enjoy their very long holiday (in different prisons) they need the break !
Not any associates I am aware of, and how do you know it is not a case of "round up the usual suspects!"?
Cherie
22-12-2018, 08:50 AM
Its a big wake up call to the airports who make passengers jump through many hoops for 'safety' reasons when they need to be looking at their own security, measures, passengers should be compensated because the airport has now done enough to secure itself against this type of activity
arista
22-12-2018, 12:21 PM
[A 47-year-old man and a 54-year-old woman, from Crawley, were arrested in the town at about 22:00 GMT on Friday.]
Not kids
Evil Adults
arista
22-12-2018, 04:05 PM
Reports:
Police are searching the 2 Drone arrests , home
in Crawley.
https://e3.365dm.com/18/12/1096x616/skynews-drone-gatwick_4527339.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20181222162125
https://news.sky.com/story/gatwick-drone-disruption-police-search-home-after-two-arrested-11589030
arista
23-12-2018, 07:53 AM
https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/s2K_9Z0D2rAAHHngrhudZw/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/yONh0zYSSkeDem2bBGGu_mirror.JPG
A photo of the married couple arrested.
https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/ET7WahXkO1Yar0eG65AGDw/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/gdBiCRHTQPOogyel0rws_exp.JPG
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Sticks
23-12-2018, 09:05 AM
The Sunday Telegraph says he is a local drone enthusiast
Sounds like the Keystone guys are rounding up the usual suspects....
She looks not bad for 54.
Cherie
23-12-2018, 10:32 AM
They don't seem the Eco warrior type :idc:
arista
23-12-2018, 10:37 AM
They don't see the Eco warrior type :idc:
True , not so far.
arista
23-12-2018, 11:33 AM
The Couple Arrested
have both been Released Without Charge
All Media
https://news.sky.com/story/gatwick-drones-50000-reward-offered-as-man-and-woman-from-crawley-released-11589961
Also a £50,000 Reward for anyone that gives the Criminal Drones Group or person , away.
They don't seem the Eco warrior type :idc:
Cherie being a better detective than our police force :idc:
AnnieK
23-12-2018, 12:08 PM
His boss had said he was at work whilst it was flying. Awful that they have been named and had their lives ripped apart for no apparent reason
arista
23-12-2018, 12:11 PM
His boss had said he was at work whilst it was flying. Awful that they have been named and had their lives ripped apart for no apparent reason
Thats the Police Fault
Cherie
23-12-2018, 12:29 PM
Cherie being a better detective than our police force :idc:
:laugh:
His boss had said he was at work whilst it was flying. Awful that they have been named and had their lives ripped apart for no apparent reason
Thankfully they will get a big payout thought nothing could compensate them for this intrusion into their privacy, a simple check like this before they released their names would have been good?
" Suspect in Gatwick shutdown is a Crawley window-fitter "
Which says to me , that people who put glass in houses shouldn't fly drones.
arista
23-12-2018, 03:22 PM
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2018/12/23/13/article-6524457-7759202-665_964x543.jpg
Sticks
23-12-2018, 06:27 PM
So the real drone pilots live to shut down another airport a day...
arista
24-12-2018, 01:00 PM
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2 of todays papers
Sticks
24-12-2018, 06:51 PM
See here (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46675612)
Everyone was quick to convict the wrongly accused pair, except when I looked at one of the early reports before they were cleared, which described the man as a drone enthusiast I said it was like "Round up the usual suspects"
Now, this couple will never be allowed to visit America under the waiver scheme, they would have to travel to the American Embassy where they would almost certainly denied a visa, just because they got arrested, even if they were cleared. (A little rule about American Immigration law, not many are aware of)
I would reference the Keystone Kops, except that would be unfair, as the Keystone Kops only made people laugh, no wreck their lives.
Meanwhile people continue to damage the planet by using one of the most environmentally unsustainable forms of transport for frivolous reasons, like a mere holiday.
What is wrong with a good old fashioned UK Seaside holiday or one visiting one of our wonderful national parks, going by coach or train?
arista
24-12-2018, 06:55 PM
Of Course Sticks
they were all over the Sunday Papers.
Matthew.
24-12-2018, 06:58 PM
See here (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46675612)
Everyone was quick to convict the wrongly accused pair, except when I looked at one of the early reports before they were cleared, which described the man as a drone enthusiast I said it was like "Round up the usual suspects"
Now, this couple will never be allowed to visit America under the waiver scheme, they would have to travel to the American Embassy where they would almost certainly denied a visa, just because they got arrested, even if they were cleared. (A little rule about American Immigration law, not many are aware of)
I would reference the Keystone Kops, except that would be unfair, as the Keystone Kops only made people laugh, no wreck their lives.
Meanwhile people continue to damage the planet by using one of the most environmentally unsustainable forms of transport for frivolous reasons, like a mere holiday.
What is wrong with a good old fashioned UK Seaside holiday or one visiting one of our wonderful national parks, going by coach or train?
we get it, flying is bad for the environment
stop droning on :hehe:
Cherie
27-12-2018, 12:18 PM
we get it, flying is bad for the environment
stop droning on :hehe:
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