View Full Version : USA government hits partial shutdown after $5bn Wall spending deal fails
arista
22-12-2018, 12:07 PM
This was predicted
At least he says its his Shutdown.
[The deal was over funding for President Donald Trump's wall on the
Mexico border, which is staunchly opposed by Democrats.
Without a deal, funding for around 25% of the government
expired at midnight (5am GMT).
Nine cabinet-level departments and dozens of agencies,
including homeland security, transportation, interior,
agriculture, state and justice,
will be affected by the shutdown.
Mr Trump had said any impending shutdown
could last "a very long time" as he blamed Democrats
over the failure to agree a deal on spending.]
https://news.sky.com/story/partial-shutdown-of-us-government-looms-after-spending-deal-fails-11588566
The Slim Reaper
22-12-2018, 12:21 PM
It's nothing to do with democrats, Arista. Trump said he would be "proud" to shut down the government. He doesn't have the votes to do what he wants.
tk2T-gGNtf8
He was going to sign the agreement until he was criticised on fox news and then he decided to act like a spoilt kid and throw his toys out of the pram.
Liam-
22-12-2018, 12:26 PM
Essentially ‘Do what I want you to do, or I’ll make millions of people suffer over christmas’ He’s an awful, odious little man.
arista
22-12-2018, 12:26 PM
Yes that that was on every news feed last week, TSR
I said at the top line its Trump admitting to shut it down.
arista
22-12-2018, 12:27 PM
Essentially ‘Do what I want you to do, or I’ll make millions of people suffer over christmas’ He’s an awful, odious little man.
He wants his Wall
Liam-
22-12-2018, 12:32 PM
He wants his Wall
He should open his own wallet then
The Slim Reaper
22-12-2018, 12:33 PM
Yes that that was on every news feed last week, TSR
I said at the top line its Trump admitting to shut it down.
You said "at least he said it's his shutdown", but then said "he blames democrats".
It's purely because a president who doesn't read presidential briefings and only gets his information from fox was criticised by usually fawning hosts that he's willing to do this over Christmas.
The Slim Reaper
22-12-2018, 12:33 PM
He wants his Wall
I want lots of things, doesn't mean I'd screw over a million people to get them.
user104658
22-12-2018, 12:38 PM
He's deluding himself if he thinks anyone will "blame the Democrats" when it comes to the history books... All anyone ever remembers is "who was president when..." and thus, a government shut-down will be remembered as being his own incompetence as a leader. :shrug:
arista
22-12-2018, 01:02 PM
"but then said"
Thats in brackets
so it's From that Link
I posted .
They are not my words
Mitchell
22-12-2018, 01:05 PM
But I thought Mexico were paying?
arista
22-12-2018, 01:07 PM
But I thought Mexico were paying?
He is going to sneak a bill into them
later on.
It all gets even worse in a few weeks
as Democrats take over the house
The Slim Reaper
22-12-2018, 01:12 PM
He is going to sneak a bill into them
later on
No he isn't. He claimed the new trade agreement would account for it, but trade agreements by their very nature are distributed into the hands of private citizens (who actually have the businesses involved in trading products). why do you take everything he says at face value and without questioning?
arista
22-12-2018, 01:18 PM
No he isn't. He claimed the new trade agreement would account for it, but trade agreements by their very nature are distributed into the hands of private citizens (who actually have the businesses involved in trading products). why do you take everything he says at face value and without questioning?
I do not.
He is one of a kind
The Slim Reaper
22-12-2018, 01:21 PM
I do not.
He is one of a kind
You do, my friend.
Charles Manson was also one of a kind.
arista
22-12-2018, 01:23 PM
You do, my friend.
Charles Manson was also one of a kind.
CM a Evil kind.
Mitchell
22-12-2018, 01:42 PM
CM a Evil kind.
As is DT.
Nicky91
22-12-2018, 02:01 PM
As is DT.
https://media.giphy.com/media/26n6ziTEeDDbowBkQ/giphy.gif
arista
10-01-2019, 03:09 PM
Trump has just said live he has plenty of funds (Via National Emergency)
to build his steel wall.
he cares about crime and drugs getting through the border
Live CNN HD
Tom4784
10-01-2019, 03:16 PM
More tantrums.
Trump cares about nothing but building a lasting monument to himself. He is a narcissist in the winter of his life and he wants to leave something that he believes will last and he doesn't care who he steps on to do it.
A wall won't stop illegal immigration and considering that the wall is just a vanity project which is using his base's extreme elements and their inherent racism towards mexicans to fuel it. It's an expensive waste of money to fuel Trump's ego and it saddens me that so many republicans are willing to lick his arse over it when there should be a bypartisan rage over his actions. He is ****ing over republican and democratic workers alike and the lack of condemnation from the republicans is grotesque.
Nicky91
10-01-2019, 03:18 PM
tantrum is understatement he just walked away from that conversation with Chuck and Nancy
a waste of time he called it 1083099784012091396
arista
10-01-2019, 03:18 PM
Yes he wants a deal
but will do it via
a National Emergency funding. (he says many sources for that)
Then all those workers can get back to their jobs
arista
10-01-2019, 03:23 PM
Yes we should get that edition Tonight or Tomorrow
on Our ComedyHD Daily Show
The Slim Reaper
10-01-2019, 03:24 PM
Yes he wants a deal
but will do it via
a National Emergency funding. (he says many sources for that)
Then all those workers can get back to their jobs
Do you think it's ok if a leader of a democracy suddenly calls for emergency powers because he doesn't get his own way after being told off by Anne coulter and sean hannity?
People wonder how the germans fell for Hitler, and here we have good dudes like you, saying nothing when he floats things like this. I'm not comparing trump to hitler before anyone starts crying.
Over 3 weeks of shutdown and absolutely no change to people's life's. It makes you wonder what all these government departments actually do.
The Slim Reaper
10-01-2019, 03:48 PM
Over 3 weeks of shutdown and absolutely no change to people's life's. It makes you wonder what all these government departments actually do.
Apart from the people that aren't being paid, of course?
Apart from the people that aren't being paid, of course?You mean the ones whose jobs aren't needed, the ones who just made jobs for themselves? Don't worry, they'll get back pay.
The Slim Reaper
10-01-2019, 03:56 PM
You mean the ones whose jobs aren't needed, the ones who just made jobs for themselves? Don't worry, they'll get back pay.
That's ok then. No doubt as government employees they're already on 200k/yr so missing payments won't be an issue for them.
Government contractors won't actually get any back pay because they're not permanently employed by anyone. Still, at least Trumps cabinet just got a 10% raise.
I didn't realise you were a multi-millionaire Alf who's never had to worry about anything financially related in his life.
Mokka
10-01-2019, 04:00 PM
Over 3 weeks of shutdown and absolutely no change to people's life's. It makes you wonder what all these government departments actually do.
I didn't know you moved to America and can give us this first hand account. Or wait... it couldn't be you just repeating what the Republican news wants everyone to believe :think:
I didn't know you moved to America and can give us this first hand account. Or wait... it couldn't be you just repeating what the Republican news wants everyone to believe :think:I thought you was Canadian?
So what has changed for the American people during this shutdown?
Mokka
10-01-2019, 04:09 PM
I thought you was Canadian?
So what has changed for the American people during this shutdown?
That's my point. You and I have no idea how its affecting the daily lives of people in the US. For you to make a blanket statement implying it has no impact would be like me saying "oh look the Brexit vote happened and nothing has changed" when clearly I'm not able to judge that
You mean the ones whose jobs aren't needed, the ones who just made jobs for themselves? Don't worry, they'll get back pay.
like the airport security staff currently working with out pay or the park attendants .... or the coast guard ... told to hold garage sales to supplement their income .... or border security forces ... yes border security is currently not being paid ... all thanks to Mr Trump
like the airport security staff currently working with out pay or the park attendants .... or the coast guard ... told to hold garage sales to supplement their income .... or border security forces ... yes border security is currently not being paid ... all thanks to Mr TrumpWell it:s not all down to Mr Trump is it? What about those Democrats who still haven't accepted him as their President and are taking their tantrum out on the American people?
'm fairly certain the Democrats have always called for a wall, but for some reason they want to block it whileTrump is in office. It's not business, it's personal.
The Slim Reaper
10-01-2019, 06:44 PM
Well it:s not all down to Mr Trump is it? What about those Democrats who still haven't accepted him as their President and are taking their tantrum out on the American people?
'm fairly certain the Democrats have always called for a wall, but for some reason they want to block it whileTrump is in office. It's not business, it's personal.
Pretty much everything you've said there is wrong. Democrats, republicans, and the president agreed a deal before this started, then Trump was criticised by Anne Coulter and Sean Hannity so he threw a temper tantrum and reneged on the deal that was already agreed. The shutdown started when republicans held all 3 branches of government, but not even republicans would all vote for an ineffective and costly wall.
Democrats have never been the party of the wall, but some have agreed with it in certain difficult areas. Trump was provided funding for border security in the last budget that still sits untouched, and now because of right wing media he wants more.
Well it:s not all down to Mr Trump is it? What about those Democrats who still haven't accepted him as their President and are taking their tantrum out on the American people?
'm fairly certain the Democrats have always called for a wall, but for some reason they want to block it whileTrump is in office. It's not business, it's personal.
https://i.imgur.com/tUGh5GK.jpg
Twosugars
10-01-2019, 07:02 PM
https://i.imgur.com/tUGh5GK.jpg
Lol
arista
10-01-2019, 07:59 PM
Do you think it's ok if a leader of a democracy suddenly calls for emergency powers because he doesn't get his own way after being told off by Anne coulter and sean hannity?
People wonder how the germans fell for Hitler, and here we have good dudes like you, saying nothing when he floats things like this. I'm not comparing trump to hitler before anyone starts crying.
He is Democratic
Tom4784
10-01-2019, 10:23 PM
Alf, Pretty much everything you've said in this topic is just factually wrong.
The reason why nothing is changed when it comes to infrastructure is because people who work in vital services are now working without pay while others are on unpaid leave (People who sustain and look after the national parks etc). To make out that the people affected aren't important or even to demonise the unpaid workers by suggesting their 'making jobs for themselves' is a ****ing lie. I hate people spreading misinformation to further their cause and that's exactly what you are embracing. Falsities.
As for you blaming the Democrats. I don't care what your political leaning is, you can't look at this situation objectively with all the fact checking that's out there and say that this situation is anyone else's fault but Trump's. He himself said that he would shut down the government and he was proud to do it and that he would 'take the mantle' and that he wouldn't blame democrats.
J5as4eQCFi8
(1.30 for him taking responsibility for any potential government shutdowns)
He can't keep his story straight and this shutdown is purely his fault. Blaming Democrats for not wanting to piss away $5bn on a vanity project is not reasonable or logical and holding 800,000 people's wages hostage to get his way is just pathetic and inexcusable. Why should the US throw that money away just to appease Trump when it's needed elsewhere? Why should the US people pay for a wall he promised that Mexico would pay for?
Objectively, he is in the wrong and defending him is just foolish. He's in the wrong and this situation is one of his own making. To deny that is to cover your eyes to the truth.
Mokka
11-01-2019, 12:06 AM
Alf, Pretty much everything you've said in this topic is just factually wrong.
The reason why nothing is changed when it comes to infrastructure is because people who work in vital services are now working without pay while others are on unpaid leave (People who sustain and look after the national parks etc). To make out that the people affected aren't important or even to demonise the unpaid workers by suggesting their 'making jobs for themselves' is a ****ing lie. I hate people spreading misinformation to further their cause and that's exactly what you are embracing. Falsities.
As for you blaming the Democrats. I don't care what your political leaning is, you can't look at this situation objectively with all the fact checking that's out there and say that this situation is anyone else's fault but Trump's. He himself said that he would shut down the government and he was proud to do it and that he would 'take the mantle' and that he wouldn't blame democrats.
J5as4eQCFi8
(1.30 for him taking responsibility for any potential government shutdowns)
He can't keep his story straight and this shutdown is purely his fault. Blaming Democrats for not wanting to piss away $5bn on a vanity project is not reasonable or logical and holding 800,000 people's wages hostage to get his way is just pathetic and inexcusable. Why should the US throw that money away just to appease Trump when it's needed elsewhere? Why should the US people pay for a wall he promised that Mexico would pay for?
Objectively, he is in the wrong and defending him is just foolish. He's in the wrong and this situation is one of his own making. To deny that is to cover your eyes to the truth.
:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:
Mystic Mock
11-01-2019, 12:07 AM
Alf, Pretty much everything you've said in this topic is just factually wrong.
The reason why nothing is changed when it comes to infrastructure is because people who work in vital services are now working without pay while others are on unpaid leave (People who sustain and look after the national parks etc). To make out that the people affected aren't important or even to demonise the unpaid workers by suggesting their 'making jobs for themselves' is a ****ing lie. I hate people spreading misinformation to further their cause and that's exactly what you are embracing. Falsities.
As for you blaming the Democrats. I don't care what your political leaning is, you can't look at this situation objectively with all the fact checking that's out there and say that this situation is anyone else's fault but Trump's. He himself said that he would shut down the government and he was proud to do it and that he would 'take the mantle' and that he wouldn't blame democrats.
J5as4eQCFi8
(1.30 for him taking responsibility for any potential government shutdowns)
He can't keep his story straight and this shutdown is purely his fault. Blaming Democrats for not wanting to piss away $5bn on a vanity project is not reasonable or logical and holding 800,000 people's wages hostage to get his way is just pathetic and inexcusable. Why should the US throw that money away just to appease Trump when it's needed elsewhere? Why should the US people pay for a wall he promised that Mexico would pay for?
Objectively, he is in the wrong and defending him is just foolish. He's in the wrong and this situation is one of his own making. To deny that is to cover your eyes to the truth.
:clap1:
The man is a menace, and I normally tend to find that the leaders that try to shut themselves out from the rest of the world tend to end up being dictators or trying to create a dictatorship in this case as it's a very slippery slope for America to go down if Trump gets what he wants.
Mokka
11-01-2019, 03:11 AM
https://globalnews.ca/video/rd/1423593539657/?jwsource=cl
Video clip of Trump saying various times he would pay for the wall... he is a parody of a parody of himself at this point
Cherie
11-01-2019, 09:31 AM
You mean the ones whose jobs aren't needed, the ones who just made jobs for themselves? Don't worry, they'll get back pay.
but what about the ones who are doing essential jobs who are working now for no pay, yes they will get back pay but that won't cut it when paying their food bill will it
It's also not just about those not being paid. It has massive knock on effects. Things like food vouchers are no longer being issued to the most vulnerable. Americans rely on tax rebates that wont now be paid. Trump has manufactured this crisis and should be held accountable. for it.
Tom4784
11-01-2019, 05:02 PM
Plus you have important organisations like the FDA that are affected and not long after an E.Coli incident either.
I just can't get over it, making out that none of the jobs are important in order to lessen the outrageousness of it all to protect a manbaby who is responsible for all this **** in the first place because he is a compulsive liar that can't keep his story straight from one day to the next.
His fans need to open their eyes and accept that they are following a snake oil salesman that is willing to **** all over them to build his own 'legacy' but that won't happen because Trump's base are knowingly accepting his bull**** because he tells them what they want to hear.
Crimson Dynamo
11-01-2019, 05:06 PM
The man made a promise and should be applauded for his tenacity at delivering it not vilified
Oliver_W
11-01-2019, 05:17 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwmE66tXgAAd0Ra.jpg
Hahaha
Nicky91
11-01-2019, 05:20 PM
Trump applauded lol LT that's a good joke, he won't be applauded by me
it's about time america goes looking for a new president i think
Oliver_W
11-01-2019, 05:24 PM
The Dems are going about this the wrong way I think - there's little reason to oppose a border wall, but they can still use it as a "trump card" to push things through they want, to used it as a negotiating chip. But nope, they're just refusing to compromise.
Nicky91
11-01-2019, 05:27 PM
well why would you waste so much money on a silly not necessary wall, and if trump wants that wall why not pay for it himself, he got those billions he needs for this
Crimson Dynamo
11-01-2019, 05:32 PM
Trump applauded lol LT that's a good joke, he won't be applauded by me
it's about time america goes looking for a new president i think
no they have the election process pretty nailed down now after 220 odd years
well why would you waste so much money on a silly not necessary wall, and if trump wants that wall why not pay for it himself, he got those billions he needs for thisBut it's not silly or unnecessary, it's what the majority of Americans voted for in the last election.
Trumps a business man, he makes deals, the Democrats can get things they want if they just come to the table with Trump on this and if it all goes wrong, then they have a stick to beat Trump with. It's win win for them.
The Slim Reaper
11-01-2019, 05:40 PM
The man made a promise and should be applauded for his tenacity at delivering it not vilified
He's held all 3 branches of government for 2 years and done nothing about it, he still held all 3 branches of gov when the shutdown began, because even his own party ee what a waste of time, effort, and money it is.
If he wouldn't have focussed on his tax cut for the rich, he could have built his wall.
But then again you already knew that, so instead used your post to try and get a reaction instead of contributing.
Do you know how the wall became the issue it was? His own staffers fed it to him because he was too stupid to remember to talk about immigration, so they had to make it easier for him to bring up in easy terms that his mouth-breathing supporters would understand.
Liam-
11-01-2019, 05:40 PM
But it's not silly or unnecessary, it's what the majority of Americans voted for in the last election.
Trumps a business man, he makes deals, the Democrats can get things they want if they just come to the table with Trump on this and if it all goes wrong, then they have a stick to beat Trump with. It's win win for them.
Well that’s just not true, the majority of Americans voted for Hilary Clinton
Crimson Dynamo
11-01-2019, 05:41 PM
Well that’s just not true, the majority of Americans voted for Hilary Clinton
:facepalm:
not that chestnut, really?
The Slim Reaper
11-01-2019, 05:41 PM
But it's not silly or unnecessary, it's what the majority of Americans voted for in the last election.
Trumps a business man, he makes deals, the Democrats can get things they want if they just come to the table with Trump on this and if it all goes wrong, then they have a stick to beat Trump with. It's win win for them.
No they didn't, most Americans voted for the other candidate, and in the midterms, most people voted for the other party.
Well that’s just not true, the majority of Americans voted for Hilary ClintonOK, the winning side voted for it.
Liam-
11-01-2019, 05:50 PM
OK, the winning side voted for it.
That’s the one
Liam-
11-01-2019, 05:50 PM
:facepalm:
not that chestnut, really?
You mean the truth?
Crimson Dynamo
11-01-2019, 05:52 PM
You mean the truth?
if you wish to debate the American democratic voting method make a thread and make your point
Liam-
11-01-2019, 05:54 PM
if you wish to debate the American democratic voting method make a thread and make your point
I don’t need to, I was correcting someone’s mistake, you can’t debate facts anyway.
I don’t need to, I was correcting someone’s mistake, you can’t debate facts anyway.Even though I worded it incorrectly, you knew what I meant. You was just splitting hairs.
Tom4784
11-01-2019, 06:20 PM
The Dems are going about this the wrong way I think - there's little reason to oppose a border wall, but they can still use it as a "trump card" to push things through they want, to used it as a negotiating chip. But nope, they're just refusing to compromise.
What a flawed way of looking at things and one that is for the purpose of laying blame at the dem's feet when it's the president, who has said himself, that the shutdown is something he would take responsibility for.
There is a big reason to oppose the wall, it costs 5 billion dollars and experts have said that it won't do anything to stem illegal immigration and in terms of drug smuggling, the vast majority are smuggled in through legal entry points. A wall won't do much to curb anything, it's an expensive waste of money.
Plus, giving into Trump's demands will just prove to him that he can shut down the government whenever he doesn't get his way. If this works out for him, he will do it again and again whenever he doesn't get his way.
This is not a situation in which you can objectively lay blame at anyone else's feet but Trump's. He is holding people's livelihoods hostage and the democrats can't give in because he WILL do it again. The only way to blame someone else is to twist the facts and spread falsities.
Trump is the problem here, he is responsible for this by his own admission. Taking personal feelings and allegiances out of the equation, this is a situation that Trump has created and sustained.
What a flawed way of looking at things and one that is for the purpose of laying blame at the dem's feet when it's the president, who has said himself, that the shutdown is something he would take responsibility for.
There is a big reason to oppose the wall, it costs 5 billion dollars and experts have said that it won't do anything to stem illegal immigration and in terms of drug smuggling, the vast majority are smuggled in through legal entry points. A wall won't do much to curb anything, it's an expensive waste of money.
Plus, giving into Trump's demands will just prove to him that he can shut down the government whenever he doesn't get his way. If this works out for him, he will do it again and again whenever he doesn't get his way.
This is not a situation in which you can objectively lay blame at anyone else's feet but Trump's. He is holding people's livelihoods hostage and the democrats can't give in because he WILL do it again. The only way to blame someone else is to twist the facts and spread falsities.
Trump is the problem here, he is responsible for this by his own admission. Taking personal feelings and allegiances out of the equation, this is a situation that Trump has created and sustained.His voters want this delivering, isn't it his job to give the people what they want? How dare he fight for his voters?
Tom4784
11-01-2019, 06:32 PM
His voters want this delivering, isn't it his job to give the people what they want? How dare he fight for his voters?
Wrong, it's his job to serve the people of the United States, all of them regardless of how they voted. It's quite worrying you got such a basic fact so wrong. He should be fighting for his people and what they need, not what his extreme voters want.
I'm gonna ask you a question, Alf. What are the benefits of the wall? How would it's construction justify $5bn it costs? How does it serve the american people?
The Slim Reaper
11-01-2019, 06:37 PM
His voters want this delivering, isn't it his job to give the people what they want? How dare he fight for his voters?
I do admire the way you speak with such certainty about subjects you get consistently wrong.
Marsh.
11-01-2019, 06:38 PM
I do admire the way you speak with such certainty about subjects you get consistently wrong.
I think it's called "trolling".
The Slim Reaper
11-01-2019, 06:41 PM
I think it's called "trolling".
For LT definitely, but for Alf, not so much.
Wrong, it's his job to serve the people of the United States, all of them regardless of how they voted. It's quite worrying you got such a basic fact so wrong. He should be fighting for his people and what they need, not what his extreme voters want.
I'm gonna ask you a question, Alf. What are the benefits of the wall? How would it's construction justify $5bn it costs? How does it serve the american people?Well that's different then, Trumps voters are extreme, so they lose.
I do admire the way you speak with such certainty about subjects you get consistently wrong.We can't all be as perfect as you.
I think it's called "trolling".Don't give me away.
The Slim Reaper
11-01-2019, 06:58 PM
We can't all be as perfect as you.
That's a fair point.
That's a fair point.Finally you come around to my way of thinking.
Tom4784
11-01-2019, 07:00 PM
Well that's different then, Trumps voters are extreme, so they lose.
That has zero relevancy to what I said or what I asked but okay? I don't really understand what you're getting at here.
His voters want this delivering, isn't it his job to give the people what they want? How dare he fight for his voters?
When you say "His voters" only 27% of americans voted for him when you take into account those who didn't turn up vote ..then shame on them
Is he ever going to realise he is POTUS or continue with the same thread of thought that he only likes thoose who like him
jeez talk about the Elite and draining the swamp...He is the elite!!!.Have to say as an Irish/South African and working nights..security here are watching the crime USA channel...every story is a brown /muslim problem.I talk about all the NCIS programes...No mention of their own crime.
Security here thrive on this:bawling::bawling:
So following Alf's same argument. The tories were elected, so there is no point in having a house of commons to debate and vote .... people voted for the tories and they won .... so they should be allowed to do what they want ... no need for any of this democracy crap :skull:
Nicky91
12-01-2019, 09:43 AM
So following Alf's same argument. The tories were elected, so there is no point in having a house of commons to debate and vote .... people voted for the tories and they won .... so they should be allowed to do what they want ... no need for any of this democracy crap :skull:
even if that is bad for the middle class british people :(
Funny story about the wall...
There is a butterfly farm that is being split in 2 by the wall, but by law they have to make a gate in the wall for the customers of the farm to get through via a pass code which is held by the butterfly farm...so anyone wanting easy unchecked access to the USA just need to join the national butterfly farm society and book a day trip.
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