Police officer among three stabbed in Manchester city centre by a Terrorist

[arista]

Not good for New Year's Eve


[Three people, including a police officer,
have been stabbed at
Manchester Victoria station - amid reports
of a man wielding a knife.
The station, in the city centre, has been
closed while a man has been arrested.
Officers from British Transport Police (BTP)
were called shortly before 9pm
on New Year's Eve.
Two members of the public, a man
and a woman, were taken to hospital
with knife injuries.]


https://news.sky.com/story/police-officer-among-three-stabbed-in-manchester-city-centre-11595853


The crazy Evil Knife man is arrested

[Alf]

Does "good will to all men" mean nothing to people anymore at this time of year?

It's about time we got the scum of our streets once and for all.

[Beso]

Does "good will to all men" mean nothing to people anymore at this time of year?

It's about time we got the scum of our streets once and for all.

Maybe a wpc

[Mystic Mock]

I don't get why some people are so cruel, it was New Year's Eve ffs, why not just let people have some peace from violence?

Hopefully these people will end up being okay.

[arista]

Its now reported as a Terrorist.

He shouted stop invading other country's etc,

https://news.sky.com/story/manchester-stabbings-treated-as-terror-related-say-police-11596054

[Denver]

3 people injured including a transport officer

[Mokka]

But why is he called a Terrorist... it could have been domestically motivated... it could have been a mugging... one non-descript crazy guy with a knife does not a terrorist make :shrug:

[Denver]

But why is he called a Terrorist... it could have been domestically motivated... it could have been a mugging... one non-descript crazy guy with a knife does not a terrorist make :shrug:

Then why would they shout Allalhu Akbar

[Mokka]

Then why would they shout Allalhu Akbar

The article in the OP doesnt mention that. It doesnt even mention his ethnicity. Where was it reported?

[arista]

But why is he called a Terrorist... it could have been domestically motivated... it could have been a mugging... one non-descript crazy guy with a knife does not a terrorist make :shrug:


Because he shouted
we must Stop Invading Nations



he is aged 25

[UserSince2005]

I always get nervous when going through victoria station, but that is usually because i havent paid for a metrolink ticket hehe.

[user104658]

Because he shouted
we must Stop Invading Nations



he is aged 25

Could just as easily be the ramblings of someone on a random rampage. Not saying it is or isn't, just (as always) more information needed before jumping on the tabloid band-wagon.

[Beso]

Could just as easily be the ramblings of someone on a random rampage. Not saying it is or isn't, just (as always) more information needed before jumping on the tabloid band-wagon.

The pm is calling it a suspected terrorist attack.

[arista]

[Nousha Babaakachel, a neighbour of the home
raided, said a Somali family live at the address.
She said the couple have two sons are at university,
one working at Manchester Airport
and the youngest son is back in Somalia.
They also have a daughter.]

[Both parents attend a local mosque, Ms Babaakachel said.
Witnesses to last night's events have praised the
British Transport Police officer who was stabbed
in the shoulder after 'bravely and immediately'
confronting the attacker during a routine patrol.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6543365/Knife-attacker-armed-long-blade-stabs-three-people-Manchesters-Victoria-Station.html

[Mokka]

Because he shouted
we must Stop Invading Nations



he is aged 25

Try posting an article that reflects the info in your bias thread titles in the future then.
This is why I generally avoid threads started by you. So much misinformation

[arista]

Try posting an article that reflects the info in your bias thread titles in the future then.
This is why I generally avoid threads started by you. So much misinformation


[Mr Clack also said he heard
the knifeman shouting "Allah" during the attack,
along with a slogan criticising Western governments. ]

BBC OK?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-46728702

[user104658]

The pm is calling it a suspected terrorist attack.

That does not constitute "more information" (for me, I'm aware that it might for others).

[AnnieK]

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-victoria-stabbing-cheetham-hill-15616153

[Crimson Dynamo]

terrorist

[The Slim Reaper]

There are 2 issues here; he is a terrorist because he committed an act of terror, but the wider point is the conditioning of people to accept a far more narrow version of the word that is only used to describe Muslim crimes.

If this was a white dude, it would have been called a "frenzied knife attack".

[Crimson Dynamo]

'Long live the caliphate': Police raid suburban home as it emerges 'terrorist knifeman shouted ISIS slogan as he stabbed three in New Year rampage' at Manchester station before hero cops tackled him
Knife attacker armed with long blade stabs at least three people at Manchester's Victoria

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Police just do not get paid enough to deal with muslim terror

they really dont

[bots]

As this wasn't a random knife attack but one furthering the cause of a global terrorist organisation, i am perfectly happy to label it a terrorist attack

[user104658]

As this wasn't a random knife attack but one furthering the cause of a global terrorist organisation, i am perfectly happy to label it a terrorist attackBy no stretch of the imagination is it possible to know that 24 hours after the attack. It may well be, but the full story won't be known for months, by which point the press wont be very interested and the public won't be interested at all.

[arista]

[Manchester Victoria station stabbings suspect
held under Mental Health Act
The 25-year-old suspect is being
assessed by specialist medical staff
over the incident,
which is being treated as terror related.]

https://news.sky.com/story/manchester-victoria-station-stabbings-suspect-held-under-mental-health-act-11596556

[Cherie]

By no stretch of the imagination is it possible to know that 24 hours after the attack. It may well be, but the full story won't be known for months, by which point the press wont be very interested and the public won't be interested at all.

He was filmed being led away though shouting Allalhu Akbar, of course he may be mentally ill etc etc, but the bottom line is random knife attacks on strangers wasn't that common or common at all before ISIS, and even if he isn't a terrorist per se, it was a terrorist inspired attack

[smudgie]

Hopefully they will all make a good recovery.
So many ruddy nutters out there, terrorists or not.:fist:

[user104658]

He was filmed being led away though shouting Allalhu Akbar, of course he may be mentally ill etc etc, but the bottom line is random knife attacks on strangers wasn't that common or common at all before ISIS, and even if he isn't a terrorist per se, it was a terrorist inspired attackYes but making a distinction between an organised terrorist attack, and a random act of personal violence prompted by seeing or "copying" terrorist attacks, is actually quite important on a wider sociological level.

E.g. I believe the first widely publicised act of "vehicle terrorism" (ramming a van into a crowd) was carried out by a Muslim, but has also been done by white supremacists since then. You wouldn't call the white supremacist attacks "Muslim terrorism" because they "got the idea from Muslim terrorism" and this should apply across the board.

Was this attacker actually doing it in the name of his god? Was it an attack planned and prompted by a larger group? Or was it an unplanned violent psychotic outburst and "that's what you shout when you do this stuff"?

In terms of the media, the latter is still dubbed an "act of terrorism" and to be pedantic it obviously is one, but I personally think its vital to make the distinction between true, planned, network-based acts of Islamic terrorism and random lone killers. ISIS will claim anything at all as "theirs" once its done, even if they had no prior knowledge of the individual at all.

[Livia]

He was filmed being led away though shouting Allalhu Akbar, of course he may be mentally ill etc etc, but the bottom line is random knife attacks on strangers wasn't that common or common at all before ISIS, and even if he isn't a terrorist per se, it was a terrorist inspired attack

Find myself agreeing with Cherie again. One of the witnesses was a reporter who said he'd covered enough of this kind of thing to know what it was. And it was a terrorist attack carried out by an Islamist. And if he is mentally ill then he's the perfect recruit for IS. So I think he is unquestionably a terrorist; he carried out a terrorist attack in the name of a terrorist group.

[Niamh.]

Find myself agreeing with Cherie again. One of the witnesses was a reporter who said he'd covered enough of this kind of thing to know what it was. And it was a terrorist attack carried out by an Islamist. And if he is mentally ill then he's the perfect recruit for IS. So I think he is unquestionably a terrorist; he carried out a terrorist attack in the name of a terrorist group.

Did he do it in the name of a terrorist group or did he do it in the name of "god/Allah", there's a massive difference as TS said if you want to gauge how big and organized IS actually are. Saying Allahu Akbar doesn't make you a member of IS, it just means god is great or something

[Livia]

Did he do it in the name of a terrorist group or did he do it in the name of "god/Allah", there's a massive difference as TS said if you want to gauge how big and organized IS actually are. Saying Allahu Akbar doesn't make you a member of IS, it just means god is great or something

Does he have to say it?

TS can think what he likes. This was a terrorist attack, whichever way you twist it. Every time there's any kind of terrorist attack there're always people saying yes, but, was it technically a terrorist attack?

I often get castigated on here for using my own experience to form opinions - although I always thought that was the best way to form opinions - but I'm going to say this: I work in international law, for the government, mostly in the middle east. I can confirm... it was a terrorist attack. Obviously, anyone can disagree with that... but experience tells me right.

[Niamh.]

Does he have to say it?

TS can think what he likes. This was a terrorist attack, whichever way you twist it. Every time there's any kind of terrorist attack there're always people saying yes, but, was it technically a terrorist attack?

I often get castigated on here for using my own experience to form opinions - although I always thought that was the best way to form opinions - but I'm going to say this: I work in international law, for the government, mostly in the middle east. I can confirm... it was a terrorist attack. Obviously, anyone can disagree with that... but experience tells me right.

Does he have to say Allahu Akbar? Lots of Muslims who aren't blowing things up do everyday when they pray.

I'm not trying twist anything Livia, I mean, when a Christian attacks, they're lone nut jobs etc but it seems like there's no such thing in the Muslim religion for some reason, they're all terrorists and IS members.

Either way, whether he's a lone nutter or a member of IS, the outcome would be the same, I just think distinguishing between the two would be important in seeing how big the organization actually is, don't you?

[user104658]

Does he have to say it?

TS can think what he likes. This was a terrorist attack, whichever way you twist it. Every time there's any kind of terrorist attack there're always people saying yes, but, was it technically a terrorist attack?

I often get castigated on here for using my own experience to form opinions - although I always thought that was the best way to form opinions - but I'm going to say this: I work in international law, for the government, mostly in the middle east. I can confirm... it was a terrorist attack. Obviously, anyone can disagree with that... but experience tells me right.

Like I said obviously it is "technically" a terrorist attack, because all attacks designed to cause fear and panic are terrorism by definition, but I don't know why there's such a backlash against the idea that there's a huge - and important - distinction between "lone wolf" impulse-based attacks and larger scale, networked, planned terrorism. You HAVE to assume a knife attack is the former, as a planned attack would source more harmful weaponry? It's not hard to buy a gun or build a basic bomb, as we know.

The reason "careful use" of the word terrorism is important is that "terrorism" has become synonymous with planned attacks, ISIS, etc. and thus as soon as the media starts reporting "terrorism"... the public mindset latches onto the idea of a network of extremists plotting elaborate attacks. When it's far more likely that this individual had no such connections. Does it mean he isn't a religious fundamentalist? Of course not, and personally, I would argue that ALL fundamentalists and dogmatists are mentally unsound, but that's not really particularly relevant because none of this is about excusing the acts of the perpetrator; just keeping the risk perception of the public realistic, reasonable and accurate... instead of furthering the most basic goal of terrorism by spreading media hysteria and fear. It's in the name, for goshness sakes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

allowing large numbers of immigrants to practice their fake imported cult/superstition (that is unreformed) behind closed doors in purpose built buildings and many of them attempting to circumvent UK law is a recipe for disaster

[Oliver_W]

allowing large numbers of immigrants to practice their fake imported cult/superstition (that is unreformed) behind closed doors in purpose built buildings and many of them attempting to circumvent UK law is a recipe for disaster

I've often thought that mosques should have moles in them, to ensure they're keeping in order.

[Livia]

Like I said obviously it is "technically" a terrorist attack, because all attacks designed to cause fear and panic are terrorism by definition, but I don't know why there's such a backlash against the idea that there's a huge - and important - distinction between "lone wolf" impulse-based attacks and larger scale, networked, planned terrorism. You HAVE to assume a knife attack is the former, as a planned attack would source more harmful weaponry? It's not hard to buy a gun or build a basic bomb, as we know.

The reason "careful use" of the word terrorism is important is that "terrorism" has become synonymous with planned attacks, ISIS, etc. and thus as soon as the media starts reporting "terrorism"... the public mindset latches onto the idea of a network of extremists plotting elaborate attacks. When it's far more likely that this individual had no such connections. Does it mean he isn't a religious fundamentalist? Of course not, and personally, I would argue that ALL fundamentalists and dogmatists are mentally unsound, but that's not really particularly relevant because none of this is about excusing the acts of the perpetrator; just keeping the risk perception of the public realistic, reasonable and accurate... instead of furthering the most basic goal of terrorism by spreading media hysteria and fear. It's in the name, for goshness sakes.

It's not terrorism then, because if we say it is, it's more scary, right?

I deal with intelligence every day regarding terrorists. But thanks for explaining all that for me. Despite the fact that the police, the security services and the press are all calling it a terrorist attack... let's call it something else on TiBB.

[Livia]

Does he have to say Allahu Akbar? Lots of Muslims who aren't blowing things up do everyday when they pray.

I'm not trying twist anything Livia, I mean, when a Christian attacks, they're lone nut jobs etc but it seems like there's no such thing in the Muslim religion for some reason, they're all terrorists and IS members.

Either way, whether he's a lone nutter or a member of IS, the outcome would be the same, I just think distinguishing between the two would be important in seeing how big the organization actually is, don't you?

This man was no ordinary Muslim, and he was not praying when he shouted Allahu Akbar, he was trying to kill people, so excuse me if I don't open my heart and try to understand him.

We know how big the organisation is, and we know that "lone wolves", which is just a sexy name for some sad sociopath or psychotic, are the perfect patsies IS. They appealed directly to them, to take up arms against the infidel.

Regarding the emboldened bit, I have never - ever - seen on Tibb, someone saying that all Muslims are terrorists and yet it's thrown around regularly. People are terrified of upsetting the Muslim community. But actually, Jewish people are the most attacked minority in the UK, despite the fact we're not stabbing, shooting and blowing anyone up. And the justification for that is, well... Israel. And you know, not all Jews are Israelis any more than all Muslims are terrorists.

[Niamh.]

Open your heart to understand him? Where on earth did I suggest that? What I think is important to understand is how big terrorist groups actually are. Were you actually implying there that I was sympathising with a murderer?