CBBUSA 2 Episodes Discussion Thread (Premieres 21st/22nd of January)

[Macie Lightfoot]

Also not to try to already get into a retconning defense of Tamar Gheesling (lmao she got more jury votes than Dan did in TWO seasons, mind you!), she was totally extra but she was extra all the time? It's like how Sandra was loud as **** in Survivor, but she was always loud as **** so it was normalized and people accepted it and it made it easier for her to do more nuanced stuff behind the scenes. Tamar totally normalized how bat**** crazy she is and that just ended up making her pretty real and personable?

[JerseyWins]

Also not to try to already get into a retconning defense of Tamar Gheesling (lmao she got more jury votes than Dan did in TWO seasons, mind you!), she was totally extra but she was extra all the time? It's like how Sandra was loud as **** in Survivor, but she was always loud as **** so it was normalized and people accepted it and it made it easier for her to do more nuanced stuff behind the scenes. Tamar totally normalized how bat**** crazy she is and that just ended up making her pretty real and personable?
I'm sorry but Sandra wasn't queen-twitter personified :joker: In fact, she was just real and blunt af and even if put-on ever/at all, she was her own unique kind of extra & loud.

[Macie Lightfoot]

That wasn't my point at all but okay.

[Macie Lightfoot]

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best winner ever confirmed?

[Macie Lightfoot]

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Imagine yelling this at someone and still getting their vote to win :love:

[JerseyWins]

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Imagine yelling this at someone and still getting their vote to win :love:
They all knew she was an act :joker:

[Macie Lightfoot]

Well if they all knew and were fine with it then maybe you should be too!!!

[JerseyWins]

I'm just thankful I've restrained from checking twitter at all lmao :joker:

Edit: Well I shouldn't say restrained as I don't check BB on there too often anyway but that place must be a cesspool right now, as TIBB would say :fan:

That wasn't my point at all but okay.
Oh and oops I sidetracked into my own point because I didn't realize that whole post was in defense of Tamar Gheesling at first (which: :skull:)

[Mokka]

The right person won of the final two.
And I'm glad Tom got America's favorite player!

A happy ending for sure

[montblanc]

QUEEN

literally the first time my absolute favorite of the season have won a BB season :cheer2:

[JerseyWins]

QUEEN

literally the first time my absolute favorite of the season have won a BB season :cheer2:
Me when Mike Boogie won like the 3rd season I watched

[Mitchell]

All stars was low-key the best season tbh

[Matthew.]

First to enter curse is broken!
First black winner!
First black woman winner!
Another woman winning over a man!
A unanimous vote!
During black history month!

This season is ****ing FAN FICTION and top five of all time. I'm laughing so hard and am in disbelief and am fanning myself, this is what dreams are made of :love:

BB21 will surely be ****e but that's fine.

:love:

[Matthew.]

So CBBUS has amazing winners

[Oliver_W]

I'm surprised at the final two - Ricky was boring, and the shrieking banshee was annoying. Wish Dina had won :(

[Donovan.]

I sadly had to watch Kandi get voted out before going into a night shift. Was trying to stay spoiler free til the morning, but I just thought it'd feel pointless if Ricky ended winning. Soo very happy to hear that Tamar won, but now I'm kinding wishing I'd stayed spoiler free so that I could watch it in the morning lol.

Definitely one of the best seasons in a longgg time.

[Donovan.]

Also was Dina's bf in the audience.

[Calderyon]

Didn´t watch and probably won´t if i cannot find a site with 3x speed in videos.

However the curse is now broken and maybe people will finally stop talking about it.

[Calderyon]

Danielle Reyes should have been the first one to do this.

[LukeB]

Omg Tamar won? :flutter:

[Calderyon]

At least it wasn't Tiffany Dullard.

[Headie]

I'm honestly speechless. This was the season of dreams and we can now finally say that a black woman has won a non-African English-speaking BB :love: It only took 19 years but we finally did it y'all!!!!!

First to enter curse is broken!
First black winner!
First black woman winner!
Another woman winning over a man!
A unanimous vote!
During black history month!

This season is ****ing FAN FICTION and top five of all time. I'm laughing so hard and am in disbelief and am fanning myself, this is what dreams are made of :love:

Amazing :worship: The fact that the Final 3 were all black too makes it even more amazing <3

[Headie]

And yeah I think this is the first time in BBUS history that my launch night fave/series fave has won the whole season :love:

Only other time that has happened is in BB5 UK with Nadia

[Macie Lightfoot]

However the curse is now broken and maybe people will finally stop talking about it.

:umm2:

Danielle Reyes should have been the first one to do this.

She loses even if the Jury is sequestered lol. She actively worked towards a lose-lose final three scenario.

[Calderyon]

Even so.

[Headie]

If Joey hadn't voted to evict Tamar over Ryan then Tamar would've played the ~PERFECT GAME~ with no votes to evict and a unanimous vote to win :o

[Wizard.]

omg my winner pick :love: got so emotional!

[JerseyWins]

If Joey hadn't voted to evict Tamar over Ryan then Tamar would've played the ~PERFECT GAME~ with no votes to evict and a unanimous vote to win :o
Thank the Lord for Joey Lawrence

[Headie]

Thank the Lord for Joey Lawrence

I mean she still broke every other record there is but keep hating boo!

[Oliver_W]

Thank the Lord for Joey Lawrence

She's irritating and it's a shame she won, but she did win, so suck it up buttercup.

Why does anyone care that she's a black woman though? It's not 1950.

[Wizard.]

It's amazing that three people of colour have won in a row in North American BB (Paras, Kacey, and now Tamar) and I hope we continue to see them winning and it's a shame it took this long but I hope the argument can be put to bed now.

[Oliver_W]

What argument? Why is it any more amazing for a "POC" to win than anyone else? Do we still judge people based on race, in 2019?

[reece(:]

It's amazing that three people of colour have won in a row in North American BB (Paras, Kacey, and now Tamar) and I hope we continue to see them winning and it's a shame it took this long but I hope the argument can be put to bed now.

When it comes down to public voting it certainly cannot :p

[Headie]

All these people saying "can we stop talking about it now"

Do I detect a little bit of white guilt? :fan:

[Matthew.]

Ricky the new Cody Calafiore for not taking Dina?

[Oliver_W]

All these people saying "can we stop talking about it now"

Do I detect a little bit of white guilt? :fan:

I don't want it to be not talked about, I'm actually asking why it matters?

[Wizard.]

When it comes down to public voting it certainly cannot :p

True wow the UK could learn something!

[Matthew.]

I don't want it to be not talked about, I'm actually asking why it matters?

Because it’s an achievement? In my opinion, to be the first ever black winner is an amazing achievement

[Underscore]

Tamar :love:

[reece(:]

I don't want it to be not talked about, I'm actually asking why it matters?

Maybe cos it's black history month and against all odds from BBUS standards? A brilliant feat

[BBUK-Fan]

What argument? Why is it any more amazing for a "POC" to win than anyone else? Do we still judge people based on race, in 2019?

True. Why are people being looked at for their ethnicity? Really?

[Wizard.]

True. Why are people being looked at for their ethnicity? Really?

Because black people were always written off as players who could never win the game. When people like Danielle Reyes were the best players but never won makes you think that you, as a black person, you have no chance. But now a black person has won, they cannot be written off anymore and they will be able to believe that they are just as capable of winning as everyone else.

[Moniqua]

Because black people were always written off as players who could never win the game. When people like Danielle Reyes were the best players but never won makes you think that you, as a black person, you have no chance. But now a black person has won, they cannot be written off anymore and they will be able to believe that they are just as capable of winning as everyone else.

:love:

[BBUK-Fan]

Because black people were always written off as players who could never win the game. When people like Danielle Reyes were the best players but never won makes you think that you, as a black person, you have no chance. But now a black person has won, they cannot be written off anymore and they will be able to believe that they are just as capable of winning as everyone else.

They didn’t win because the jury didn’t think they’d should win, it’s not to do with ethnicity in the way the jury vote. Calling somebody the best player is an opinion and not a fact so is irrelevant.
They are just as capable as winning as everyone else and never was anything stated otherwise.

Why is the thing you notice about the people that win is their ethnicity?

[Cal.]

Tamar winning means the next black girl who walks into the house in the summer will be out on her arse in a week because ‘SHES JUST LIKE TAMAR’. Pity they couldn’t do this with all the plain white males who seem to sail through one after another :bored:.

[Jason.]

True. Why are people being looked at for their ethnicity? Really?

Maybe because this show has a history of casting the same lazy trope of black woman to tick a box instead of casting ones that would make strong players and have a chance of winning, so a black woman going against the odds and winning is a milestone.

Why does it bother you so much?

[JerseyWins]

Black people are against the odds on these shows not socially or because of racial factors or because of “which kind” they cast but because there are about 2-3 of them per season out of about 16? :joker:

Coincidence that once it’s a bit more evenly distributed a black woman wins? I think not

[JerseyWins]

We see a fair amount more black winners on Survivor because there’s a fair amount more of them casted on a season-to-season basis. This is simple math and statistics :shrug:

[Headie]

We see a fair amount more black winners on Survivor because there’s a fair amount more of them casted on a season-to-season basis. This is simple math and statistics :shrug:

Not really though, we still only get about 2 black people per season on Survivor too. And the series where black/POC winners won were often as you said the seasons where there were more than 2 POCs (Earl being the biggest example - all the final 3 were black that season because there were about 2 white people in a cast of 19 :laugh:)

[Epic.]

Haven't really caught up on the past two episodes yet and ever since her disgusting treatment of Tom, I've grown to dislike her more and it'll be hard for me to be satisfied by this win I've been spoiled on.

But since we're on the subject of racial irony, in a season with a black female winner, it's funny that the straight white male Ryan was gradually completely irritating and mistrustful to the house to the point where he got the target when people with his humour normally sail to the end :joker:

[LukeB]

Haven't really caught up on the past two episodes yet and ever since her disgusting treatment of Tom, I've grown to dislike her more and it'll be hard for me to be satisfied by this win I've been spoiled on.

But since we're on the subject of racial irony, in a season with a black female winner, it's funny that the straight white male Ryan was gradually completely irritating and mistrustful to the house to the point where he got the target when people with his humour normally sail to the end :joker:

What disgusting treatment towards Tom? Tom didn’t really care about that dance so why should we?

[Epic.]

What disgusting treatment towards Tom? Tom didn’t really care about that dance so why should we?

I'm referring to calling him a bully for no reason other than he was going to put her up knowing she'd be safe and then pretty much hurling insults at him as he calmly tried making her stop

[Morgan.]

If y'all aren't gonna accept that her being a POC female winner is a massive achievement, then just acknowledge the fact she broke the walk in curse and celebrate that :dance:

[Headie]

Tom played the 'bully victim' very well this season and the edit worked in his favour by granting him AFP.

I'd be more annoyed about it had legend Tamar not broke every record in existence by winning the season <3333

[reece(:]

If y'all aren't gonna accept that her being a POV female winner is a massive achievement, then just acknowledge the fact she broke the walk in curse and celebrate that :dance:

not POV

[montblanc]

ugh am literally so happy it feels so good to have my favorite win for once

a valentine's day TREAT

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[reece(:]

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[Morgan.]

Tom played the 'bully victim' very well this season and the edit worked in his favour by granting him AFP.

I'd be more annoyed about it had legend Tamar not broke every record in existence by winning the season <3333

teaaaa

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[Cal.]

Tamar seems a howl anyway congrats qorgeous <3

[Matthew.]

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Lolo’s not impressed

[reece(:]

Lolo assuming Dina got 4th :joker:

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[montblanc]

Lolo assuming Dina got 4th :joker:

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[montblanc]

lolo was such a mess i was not expecting her to be like that :skull:

[Headie]

Lolo assuming Dina got 4th :joker:

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Points were made!

[Headie]

lolo was such a mess i was not expecting her to be like that :skull:

She was exactly like this on The Challenge too so I was fully expecting it and enjoyed every minute of it <333

[reece(:]

She was exactly like this on The Challenge too so I was fully expecting it and enjoyed every minute of it <333

not her popping off on other crazies like Ashley Brooke and Camila ? :skull:

[LukeB]

Two icons :love:
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[Morgan.]

I thought Dina DID get 4th - Ryan made it's pretty clear in his speech that she was evicted first. I mean Dina had already said ha goodbyes before Lolo was announced lmao

And Julie made Lolo and Dina switch to the correct positions on the jury bench

[LukeB]

Tamar playing all sides and it didn't backfire :fan: Paul wishes he could do that

[Matthew.]

I thought Dina DID get 4th - Ryan made it's pretty clear in his speech that she was evicted first. I mean Dina had already said ha goodbyes before Lolo was announced lmao

And Julie made Lolo and Dina switch to the correct positions on the jury bench

I think the houseguests might have been told to do it like that just to avoid the confusion from last year when they got the placements wrong and we now just have to go with that Ariadna was 4th and Mark was 3rd which feels wrong considering Marissa said “I choose to evict Mark and Ari”

[Morgan.]

I think the houseguests might have been told to do it like that just to avoid the confusion from last year when they got the placements wrong and we now just have to go with that Ariadna was 4th and Mark was 3rd which feels wrong considering Marissa said “I choose to evict Mark and Ari”

In my mind Ari is 3rd placed queen

[Wojtek]

Honestly Tamar is one of the best winners in history :love:

[Headie]

Two icons :love:
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What we've been waiting for :clap1:

[Oliver_W]

Ika <3 hope she gets into All Stars, if it happens :D

[Liam-]

Haven’t got around to watching the final yet but I’m ****ing thrilled she won :love:

[Macie Lightfoot]

She's irritating and it's a shame she won, but she did win, so suck it up buttercup.

Why does anyone care that she's a black woman though? It's not 1950.

Because it's not hard to look at the news and see that racial equality isn't exactly There right now in the US even in 2019, so seeing some groundbreaking representation in the BBUS winners' circle is good and empowering.

What argument? Why is it any more amazing for a "POC" to win than anyone else? Do we still judge people based on race, in 2019?

Because we haven't had a black person win BBUS ever so it's a big deal, especially during Black History month.

Ricky the new Cody Calafiore for not taking Dina?

IDK if Dina would've even been the best opponent? She's crazy but people loved her and she probably would've gotten the Jonathan/Ryan/Joey block of votes at minimum, not to mention any other votes she picks up along the way just for being crazy but endearing and likable.

True. Why are people being looked at for their ethnicity? Really?

Because when white person after white person wins BBUS, it's slightly discouraging for any minority entering the house and looking to win. Representation absolutely matters and the fact that we've now had a string of three POC winners is one of the few legitimately great things I'll say about this how.

Because black people were always written off as players who could never win the game. When people like Danielle Reyes were the best players but never won makes you think that you, as a black person, you have no chance. But now a black person has won, they cannot be written off anymore and they will be able to believe that they are just as capable of winning as everyone else.

Eh, Danielle's loss was totally fair and deserved. For someone who had so much control, she willingly put herself into a scenario where she's the goat at F3 who loses either 9-1 or 10-0. Even with a sequestered jury there's still a solid 90+% chance that she loses.

They are just as capable as winning as everyone else and never was anything stated otherwise.

Why is the thing you notice about the people that win is their ethnicity?

For like the fourth time, because representation matters and having an attitude of "I don't see color :rolleyes:" is actually very dangerous.

lolo was such a mess i was not expecting her to be like that :skull:

lmao sis Lolo has been acting like this all the way back to like 2011 at the very minimum, even before she was on TV. Girl is a disaster :joker:

[Jack_]

I’ve just discovered Lolo is 36 and I’m dumbfounded :skull: I thought she was late 20s

The woman is a total DISASTER

[Mokka]

I’ve just discovered Lolo is 36 and I’m dumbfounded :skull: I thought she was late 20s

The woman is a total DISASTER

They gonna make a movie about her in 4 years.
40 year old virgin 2

Honestly, its apparent why she can't find a guy to handle her brand of crazy.

[JerseyWins]

They gonna make a movie about her in 4 years.
40 year old virgin 2

Honestly, its apparent why she can't find a guy to handle her brand of crazy.
It'd probably be more entertaining than the first one :laugh: And give Ryan Lochte a cameo while they're at it!

[Gstar]

This was all going wrong in the first half but what a turn around!!!!!!!!!!!!

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS TAMAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!

BLACK

GIRL

MAGIC

YESS YESS YESS

Really enjoyed this season!! Already excited for next year

[Captain.Remy]

Come through Tamara! She deserved it just based on personality alone! And she played well.
She had a full journey in the house and that's good to see that celebrated. Such a landslide victory! Kandi should have been runner-up though.
Highlight of the night is Lolo being messy af lmao

Anyway, see y'all in June!

[Gstar]

Natalie was definitely the prettiest female housemate this season

[LukeB]

Natalie was definitely the prettiest female housemate this season

Kandi was

[JerseyWins]

Kandi was
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[JerseyWins]

Kandi wasn't bad looking tbf :fan: But compared to NEM & Lolo in there?

[Epic.]

Okay finally caught up and even though I had gone off Tamar, the finale reminded me of all the times and reasons I did enjoy her so she was a pretty deserving winner', far more than Ricky if we're just judging by final 2.

It's hard to say whether this or the first season was better. The first had more of an upbeat feel to it but it also sometimes jumped to this irritating vibe of everyone being happy and it being fake af and annoying, the two worst offenders of this of course being the final 2, and the second half really dulled once Shannon left. This season felt more down to earth and more likeable contestants, but it never really hit many highs for me. Overall though two pretty good seasons and still worth following.

[Calderyon]

Ika <3 hope she gets into All Stars, if it happens :D

There is enough suffering in the world as it is.

[Matthew.]

Was just watching the final evictions back and I can’t believe I never noticed this first time :joker:

Ricky evicts Lolo and Dina, he says “Group hug?”, during the hug Lolo whispers something in his ear (which was censored) and walks off and he just looks like “Aw come on Lolo :shrug:”

I have an idea of what she said but I want to know exactly what it was :joker:

[JerseyWins]

Was just watching the final evictions back and I can’t believe I never noticed this first time :joker:

Ricky evicts Lolo and Dina, he says “Group hug?”, during the hug Lolo whispers something in his ear (which was censored) and walks off and he just looks like “Aw come on Lolo :shrug:”

I have an idea of what she said but I want to know exactly what it was :joker:
I noticed that :joker: and it was at that moment I then knew FOR SURE that Tamar was winning.

[Matthew.]

I noticed that :joker: and it was at that moment I then knew FOR SURE that Tamar was winning.

I think she said something along the lines of “**** you Ricky!”

[Macie Lightfoot]

Did a speed rewatch this week and finished my edgic chart bc it was about time I rewatched a GOOD season of TV and didn't punish myself with like a.... ****ty Survivor or BBUK season like I usually do.

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[Epic.]

I do mine by eviction just like my CBBUK ones :)

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(had to put Joey and Kato together since there was only an episode separating them).

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(dunno how accurate 1 is tbh as i was slightly more inexperienced back then).

[Epic.]

I'm just now noticing Macie gave Ryan CPP for his last few days overall while I gave him CPN :joker::joker:. A Straight Male Monstrosity?

[JerseyWins]

King Ryan :clap1: