The Best a Man can get

[Alf]

Everyone is talking about this new man hating Gillette advert.

Any opinions on here?

Have they just destroyed themselves by attacking their main customers?

Will they bring out an advert for their female products showing how horrible women are?

[Crimson Dynamo]

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The aim of this is to get men and women to buy gillette products for men only, no other aim.

That is all. They take what is fashionable and use it to sell goods to young people. Their marketing research would have suggested that this will work and if it does - well done them.

Cynical and clinical. boom.

[Niamh.]

I don't see how it's man hating?

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't see how it's man hating?

Its ok neem :smug:


Alf I think what Neem means is can you specify what aspect of the advert hates on men?

[Niamh.]

Its ok neem :smug:


Alf I think what Neem means is can you specify what aspect of the advert hates on men?

:oh:

There was some lovely men in the ad :love:

[Alf]

I don't see how it's man hating?Within the first 5 seconds it says bullying, the me to movement, toxic masculinity. It goes on to show men harassing and mansplaining to women.

We're not all Harvey Weinstein.

Most men are brilliant people.

[Niamh.]

Within the first 5 seconds it says bullying, the me to movement, toxic masculinity. It goes on to show men harassing and mansplaining to women.

We're not all Harvey Weinstein.

Most men are brilliant people.

Yes there was lots in the advert too....

[Glenn.]

Don’t see the problem with the ad at all?

[Alf]

Yes there was lots in the advert too....What would you think to advert selling ladies beauty products by mentioning women are the biggest murderers because of abortion? Would you be fine with that as long as it showed some good women too?

[Jordan.]

A great forward thinking advert, good job Gillette :clap1:

[Alf]

Don’t see the problem with the ad at all?It's an attack on masculinity, I wouldn't expect you to see the problem. But for people who think masculity is important and has built the world we live in, then it's an attack on that.

[Mokka]

What would you think to advert selling ladies beauty products by mentioning women are the biggest murderers because of abortion? Would you be fine with that as long as it showed some good women too?

Abortion isn't murder ... so I would think they got their facts really wrong.
But this ad didn't start with false facts

[user104658]

I don't see how it's man hating?

I agree with this but;




Cynical and clinical. boom.

I also agree with this :think:.


I don't think it's man-hating, but I do think it's disingenuous, hollow, meaningless trash. Latching onto something as serious as abuse and sexual assault for no other reason than to sell their product... it's soulless. It would take a HELL of a lot to make me believe that Gilette actually gives a flying **** about anything more than their bottom line. That's just not how large companies work. They're about $£$, not people, full stop.

But then, I also feel utterly nauseated at every John Lewis bloody Christmas advert and most people seem to love them so... I guess the marketing works. Blergh.


(Also I assume Gilette are struggling at the moment because realistically who clean-shaves in 2019? ONLY sexual predators so they really are going to alienate their core market)

[Alf]

Abortion isn't murder ... so I would think they got their facts really wrong.
But this ad didn't start with false factsSome people think it is.

I could say masculinity isn't toxic

[Jordan.]

It's an attack on masculinity, I wouldn't expect you to see the problem. But for people who think masculity is important and has built the world we live in, then it's an attack on that.

I didn't know it was forecast snow

[Niamh.]

What would you think to advert selling ladies beauty products by mentioning women are the biggest murderers because of abortion? Would you be fine with that as long as it showed some good women too?

Murder is illegal and abortion is not so that would be a falsity

[Mokka]

Some people think it is.

I could say masculinity isn't toxic

Some people think wrong. It's legal.. murder isn't.

They didn't say masculinity is toxic... they were talking about a type of masculinity called toxic masculinity.

[Niamh.]

I agree with this but;




I [b]also[/i] agree with this :think:.


I don't think it's man-hating, but I do think it's disingenuous, hollow, meaningless trash. Latching onto something as serious as abuse and sexual assault and abuse for no other reason than to sell their product... it's soulless. It would take a HELL of a lot to make me believe that Gilette actually gives a flying **** about anything more than their bottom line. That's just not how large companies work. They're about $£$, not people, full stop.

But then, I also feel utterly nauseated at every John Lewis bloody Christmas advert and most people seem to love them so... I guess the marketing works. Blergh.


(Also I assume Gilette are struggling at the moment because realistically who clean-shaves in 2019? ONLY sexual predators so they really are going to alienate their core market)

Well yeah of course that's also correct :laugh:

[Alf]

Murder is illegal and abortion is not so that would be a falsityBeing masculing isn't illegal, doesn't stop people calling it toxic.

[Glenn.]

It's an attack on masculinity, I wouldn't expect you to see the problem. But for people who think masculity is important and has built the world we live in, then it's an attack on that.

Why wouldn’t you expect me to see the problem? There isn’t one clearly. No one but you seems to see it?

[Niamh.]

Being masculing isn't illegal, doesn't stop people calling it toxic.

I think you're misunderstanding the term Toxic Masculinity Alf, maybe that's why you're feeling unnecessarily offended.

[Alf]

Why wouldn’t you expect me to see the problem? There isn’t one clearly. No one but you seems to see it?They put the advert up on YouTube, it's had tens of thousands of dislikes and every comment negative to it, So there's more than me that sees it. so stop lying.

[Glenn.]

They put the advert up on YouTube, it's had tens of thousands of dislikes and every comment negative to it, So there's more than me that sees it. so stop lying.

You didn’t answer my question so maybe instead of insulting me we can reverse a bit

[Alf]

I think you're misunderstanding the term Toxic Masculinity Alf, maybe that's why you're feeling unnecessarily offended.What's to understand? It's exactly what it says. Some people think masculinity is toxic, just as some people think abortion is murder. Now I ask you again, would you be happy with an advert bringing it up?

[Niamh.]

What's to understand? It's exactly what it says. Some people think masculinity is toxic, just as some people think abortion is murder. Now I ask you again, would you be happy with an advert bringing it up?

So yes you misunderstand toxic masculinity. Mokka already explained up thread

I've already answered your question, do you want me to just repeat it again? I can if you like, here goes :

"Murder is illegal and abortion is not so that would be a falsity"

[Alf]

You didn’t answer my question so maybe instead of insulting me we can reverse a bitThe fact you think I'm insulting you makes me think you're very fragile, you need to be more masculine,

[Glenn.]

The fact you think I'm insulting you makes me think you're very fragile, you need to be more masculine,

Lol. I’m the fragile one

[Niamh.]

The fact you think I'm insulting you makes me think you're very fragile, you need to be more masculine,

:laugh2:

Alf that's extremely hypocritical considering your sensitivities in this thread

[Alf]

So yes you misunderstand toxic masculinity. Mokka already explained up thread

I've already answered your question, do you want me to just repeat it again? I can if you like, here goes :

"Murder is illegal and abortion is not so that would be a falsity"So murder is illegal and abortion is not, you're absolutely correct. So would it make you a little bit angry if a advert selling women's products claimed that abortion is murder.

[Glenn.]

There was nothing in that advert that was portrayed as exaggerated or misleading though

[Niamh.]

So murder is illegal and abortion is not, you're absolutely correct. So would it make you a little bit angry if a advert selling women's products claimed that abortion is murder.

I would think it was hilarious that they wanted to put themselves out of business that badly :laugh:


*You're still not understanding the term btw :love:

[Northern Monkey]

It’s a virtue signalling vom fest done purely for publicity and to get women to buy Gillette products for their husbands.

It’s all about the moneys as LT and TS said.

They’ll go back to aiming their ads at men again soon.

[Mokka]

So murder is illegal and abortion is not, you're absolutely correct. So would it make you a little bit angry if a advert selling women's products claimed that abortion is murder.

Yep. But if you are saying the term toxic masculinity is the same as say masculinity is toxic... you are wrong. Here, let me help you out since you don't want to do the research yourself

The phrase is derived from studies that focus on violent behavior perpetrated by men, and—this is key—is designed to describe not masculinity itself, but a form of gendered behavior that results when expectations of “what it means to be a man” go wrong. The Good Men Project defines it this way:

Toxic masculinity is a narrow and repressive description of manhood, designating manhood as defined by violence, sex, status and aggression. It’s the cultural ideal of manliness, where strength is everything while emotions are a weakness; where sex and brutality are yardsticks by which men are measured, while supposedly “feminine” traits—which can range from emotional vulnerability to simply not being hypersexual—are the means by which your status as “man” can be taken away.

[Underscore]

I think it's a great advert

[Alf]

I would think it was hilarious that they wanted to put themselves out of business that badly :laugh:


*You're still not understanding the term btw :love:Yes, and that's the point being made, why are they trying to put themselves out of business? But it's not hilarious, because there's no humour in the advert.

If you don't think I:m understanding the term. then would you be kind enough to explain what the term toxic masculinity means to me.

[Niamh.]

Yes, and that's the point being made, why are they trying to put themselves out of business? But it's not hilarious, because there's no humour in the advert.

If you don't think I:m understanding the term. then would you be kind enough to explain what the term toxic masculinity means to me.

Lets see if Gillette go out of business then, shall we?

See the post right above yours, explained thoroughly there.

[Glenn.]

Men are gross anyway

[Alf]

Yep. But if you are saying the term toxic masculinity is the same as say masculinity is toxic... you are wrong. Here, let me help you out since you don't want to do the research yourself

The phrase is derived from studies that focus on violent behavior perpetrated by men, and—this is key—is designed to describe not masculinity itself, but a form of gendered behavior that results when expectations of “what it means to be a man” go wrong. The Good Men Project defines it this way:

Toxic masculinity is a narrow and repressive description of manhood, designating manhood as defined by violence, sex, status and aggression. It’s the cultural ideal of manliness, where strength is everything while emotions are a weakness; where sex and brutality are yardsticks by which men are measured, while supposedly “feminine” traits—which can range from emotional vulnerability to simply not being hypersexual—are the means by which your status as “man” can be taken away.OK, so why is violent behaviour from a minority of men a good selling point?

Why not focus on the men that risk their lives to save the lives of people they don't even know?

Or the dad who teaches his son to be a good human?

Or the sports star being a winner?

Or the man who gets married and raises a family?

Or the man who works hard to build the roads and buildings.?

You know, the average man

[Northern Monkey]

I’m assuming this term ‘Toxic masculinity’ is a derogatory term dreamed up by feminists for traditional masculinity which Piers has some views on here:

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[Glenn.]

OK, so why is violent behaviour from a minority of men a good selling point?

Why not focus on the men that risk their lives to save the lives of people they don't even know?

Or the dad who teaches his son to be a good human?

Or the sports star being a winner?

Or the man who gets married and raises a family?

Or the man who works hard to build or roads and buildings.?

You know, the average man


Did you watch the advert?

[Niamh.]

Oh god Piers

[arista]

Everyone is talking about this new man hating Gillette advert.

Any opinions on here?

Have they just destroyed themselves by attacking their main customers?

Will they bring out an advert for their female products showing how horrible women are?



Yes Piers on GMBHD itv
was very angry at Gillette
he even got a MP with him


Thanks to NM for posting a clip.

[Niamh.]

OK, so why is violent behaviour from a minority of men a good selling point?

Why not focus on the men that risk their lives to save the lives of people they don't even know?

Or the dad who teaches his son to be a good human?

Or the sports star being a winner?

Or the man who gets married and raises a family?

Or the man who works hard to build the roads and buildings.?

You know, the average man

The advert had lots of great men in it though........

[Matthew.]

Yes Piers on GMBHD itv
was very angry at Gillette

There’s a surprise

If there’s anything to pretend to be offended at, he’ll pretend to be offended by it

[Matthew.]

Nothing wrong with the advert

[Alf]

Men are gross anywayThat's more honest, you see, there's no need to lie, just be honest, we'll all get along better.

[Mokka]

OK, so why is violent behaviour from a minority of men a good selling point?

Why not focus on the men that risk their lives to save the lives of people they don't even know?

Or the dad who teaches his son to be a good human?

Or the sports star being a winner?

Or the man who gets married and raises a family?

Or the man who works hard to build the roads and buildings.?

You know, the average man

They kinda did all those things. They started with harsh attention grabbing terms and then pointed out a lot of good moments with men in them.
So if your point is they shouldn't have used these words and phrased to get a knee jerk reaction that would have everyone talking about and posting about their ad... sure, that's a valid point. But as TS and LT said on the first page... it's the nature of advertising and "no publicity is bad publicity".

[Glenn.]

So are we all decided the advert is fab then or what?

[Alf]

The advert had lots of great men it it though........It makes out that things like wolf whistling and men hitting on women (I don't mean physically hitting I mean trying to pick up) as bad things, when in fact they're great things and much needed. And no blue or red or orange or green haired feminist butch dyke is gonna change that.

[Niamh.]

It makes out that things like wolf whistling and men hitting on women (I don't mean physically hitting I mean trying to pick up) as bad things, when in fact they're great things and much needed. And no blue or red or orange or green haired feminist butch dyke is gonna change that.

Why are you so put out about it then? :think:

[Liam-]

It must be a good advert if it’s got so many of the manly men in the world triggered like this, it’s clearly made a point about toxic masculinity

[Oliver_W]

I don't see how it's "man hating", and I also doubt anyone would say stop buying their products just because their commercial is still banging on about #MeToo

[Niamh.]

It must be a good advert if it’s got so many of the manly men in the world triggered like this, it’s clearly made a point about toxic masculinity

Baby it's cold outside :hehe:

[smudgie]

Firstly. Gillette is not the best a man can get....that’s a woman, or another man.
Secondly. Women shave with Gillette as well:joker:

The 5 for a quid throwaways do the job for me:blush:

[Liam-]

Also, toxic masculinity doesn’t include men not wanting to cry or to be the one to look after their families, toxic masculinity is when a ladladlad in a club shouts abuse at a woman and calls her a dykey slag because she doesn’t want their peen in her, let’s not get it confused.

[Mokka]

It makes out that things like wolf whistling and men hitting on women (I don't mean physically hitting I mean trying to pick up) as bad things, when in fact they're great things and much needed. And no blue or red or orange or green haired feminist butch dyke is gonna change that.

Careful... your isms are showing

[Alf]

Why are you so put out about it then? :think:I'm not, I don't use Gillette. I just made a thread about one of the big news stories of the day, and then gave counter arguments to everyone who replied in the thread with their opinions.

[Alf]

Careful... your isms are showingAre this adverts isms showing? That's the question.

[Niamh.]

I'm not, I don't use Gillette. I just made a thread about one of the big news stories of the day, and then gave counter arguments to everyone who replied in the thread with their opinions.

Ah that's good news, no one is upset about it on TiBB then? /thread

[Crimson Dynamo]

So are we all decided the advert is fab then or what?

If you have been hoodwinked by it then yes :hee:

but then those marketing guys are mighty clever...

[Alf]

I don't see how it's "man hating", and I also doubt anyone would say stop buying their products just because their commercial is still banging on about #MeTooWell some celebrities with big social media following have come out and said that they will stop buying. Piers even had a platform on national television to go against this this morning.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Id like them to do an advert that chastises women for using mens razors for shaving their bloody fannies and then thinking a man can use it after to shave HIS BLOODY FACE with

:oh:

:oh:

[Mokka]

Id like them to do an advert that chastises women for using mens razors for shaving their bloody fannies and then thinking a man can use it after to shave HIS BLOODY FACE with

:oh:

:oh:

Sounds like a "you" problem

[Alf]

Just to do some race baiting

Notice in the advert that the men who are doing the pestering and man splaining to the women are white men and the knights in shining armour who come to their rescue are black men.

It has to be this way or the advert wouldn't get the go ahead if it was reversed.

[James]

Everyone is talking about this new man hating Gillette advert.

Any opinions on here?

Have they just destroyed themselves by attacking their main customers?

Will they bring out an advert for their female products showing how horrible women are?

What people are forgetting is that most household shopping is done by women, in this case buying for men.

So the advert is targeted at women. They will have market researched this through and through.

This is also the reason by the way why the TV channel ITV (funded by adverts) is all about soaps and reality shows in prime-time these days.

Also it has been proven that advertising works better on younger people - they are more likely to change their buying decision based on an advert. So they think the #metoo theme will work with them.

Some (US) stats here about womens' purchasing power - https://girlpowermarketing.com/statistics-purchasing-power-women/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not men getting their women to get the shopping in while they watch Sky SPorts and itch their balls

"luv, gets us some razors and some cans would ya?"


:ninja2:

[Niamh.]

What people are forgetting is that most household shopping is done by women, in this case buying for men.

So the advert is targeted at women. They will have market researched this through and through.

This is also the reason by the way why the TV channel ITV (funded by adverts) is all about soaps and reality shows in prime-time these days.

Also it has been proven that advertising works better on younger people - they are more likely to change their buying decision based on an advert. So they think the #metoo theme will work with them.

Some (US) stats here about womens' purchasing power - https://girlpowermarketing.com/statistics-purchasing-power-women/

Gav does our shopping :nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Gav does our shopping :nono:

and all the cooking?


bloody hell, does he ever get some man time?

:worry:

[James]

74.9% of women identified themselves as the primary shoppers for their households


From the link I posted.

[Niamh.]

and all the cooking?


bloody hell, does he ever get some man time?

:worry:

He doesn't do all the cooking, he cooks if he gets home first and I cook If I do :suspect:

[Northern Monkey]

Not men getting their women to get the shopping in while they watch Sky SPorts and itch their balls

"luv, gets us some razors and some cans would ya?"


:ninja2:

It has to be this way or it’d be the woman sat reading Take A Break saying

“Honey get me some sanny pads will ya?”
:joker:

[Alf]

How hard is it for men to tell their women not to buy Gillette?

[Niamh.]

How hard is it for men to tell their women not to buy Gillette?

:laugh2:


boo hoo

[Mokka]

How hard is it for men to tell their women not to buy Gillette?

They might have to "mansplain" it to them

[Alf]

:laugh2:


boo hooI don't get your point,

I said that in reply to James saying women do most of the shopping. How difficult is it for men to tell their women not to buy Gillette?

[Alf]

Why is that vile feminist from the Young Turks, who says she's better than everyone, on an advert selling razors to men?

[Glenn.]

Alf you clearly need to love yourself. This is absolute nonsense

[Alf]

For the woman's razors, Gillette is working on an advert which shows women destroying mens lives as they win another case at the divorce and family courts. It shows women falsely accusing men of violence and rape, it stars Roxanne Pallett.

[Mokka]

Are you just cutting and and pasting these new posts from the YouTube responses to the ad Alf?

[Alf]

Are you just cutting and and pasting these new posts from the YouTube responses to the ad Alf?No I'm not, but what if I was?

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Truth must be turning in his grave

[Alf]

Are you just cutting and and pasting these new posts from the YouTube responses to the ad Alf?Are you disagreeing with me just to fit in with the group think?

[Mokka]

No I'm not, but what if I was?

I'm just saying, you are getting more incensed by these things others are making up that you didn't even notice when watching the ad yourself. Use your own perspective

[Niamh.]

The Truth must be turning in his grave:laugh2:

[Alf]

I'm just saying, you are getting more incensed by these things others are making up that you didn't even notice when watching the ad yourself. Use your own perspectiveThat's like saying don't read books, use your own perspective. Don't go to university. Use your own perspective. Don't follow the stages of a recipe, use your own perspective.

I just replied to you by using my own perspective.

[Mokka]

That's like saying don't read books, use your own perspective. Don't go to university. Use your own perspective. Don't follow the stages of a recipe, use your own perspective.

I just replied to you by using my own perspective.

Oh by all means... read books and go back to university... you might actually learn something about the modern world around you. Reading internet trolling isn't an education

[Alf]

Oh by all means... read books and go back to university... you might actually learn something about the modern world around you. Reading internet trolling isn't an educationIs all I took from that is "everything I disagree with is trolling" and Marxism is the future.

[BBUK-Fan]

Would people be offended if there was an advert about telling women to stop making false rape allegations and preventing fathers from getting access to their children?

[Alf]

Would people be offended if there was an advert about telling women to stop making false rape allegations and preventing fathers from getting access to their children?Apparently not, not on here anyway.

[Livia]

What the **** has this got to do with shaving? I'll take them seriously when they desist from making ads for women's razors using girls who are probably too young to have much body hair, raving about brightly coloured razors with massive handles for our big girly fumble-fingers.

They truly will use any device to market their crap, won't they.

[Glenn.]

Would people be offended if there was an advert about telling women to stop making false rape allegations and preventing fathers from getting access to their children?

Not at all. It could be effective

[Marsh.]

Snowflake in "missing the point" shocker!

[Alf]

Snowflake in "missing the point" shocker!And the point is?

[Alf]

See the bit in the ad where the boy is getting bullied, and then he gets a big hug of is mother?

What should have happened is the boy getting bullied is getting told by his father to go and hit the bully back. "Stand up for yourself son"

[Marsh.]

And the point is?

Flying over your head and doing a loop-the-loop.

[Alf]

Flying over your head and doing a loop-the-loop.That'll be it then, you win again.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It currently has 23,000 likes and 214,000 dislikes, at time of writing - and that's increasing all the timeo youtube

[Tom4784]

There's two words to describe any man offended by that advert, 'fragile' and 'insecure'.

[Tom4784]

See the bit in the ad where the boy is getting bullied, and then he gets a big hug of is mother?

What should have happened is the boy getting bullied is getting told by his father to go and hit the bully back. "Stand up for yourself son"

Toxic masculinity in action.

[Alf]

Toxic masculinity in action.What would you know about masculinity?

[Alf]

There's two words to describe any man offended by that advert, 'fragile' and 'insecure'.Says the person who regularly needs a safe space from my oplnions.

[Marsh.]

What would you know about masculinity?

I love how you use homophobia to prove your point about toxic masculinity.

[Alf]

I love how you use homophobia to prove your point about toxic masculinity.Well don't complain about it or Dezzy will think you're fragile and insecure.

[Tom4784]

What would you know about masculinity?

Definitely more than anyone who feels attacked over a harmless advert but go off, sis.

Says the person who regularly needs a safe space from my oplnions.

Can you really play the safe space card against anyone when you've taken this much offense to an advert and made out that it's an attack on all men?

Well don't complain about it or Dezzy will think you're fragile and insecure.

Marsh certainly is neither of those things, I doubt he lives his life by whether or not the things he does, likes or embodies are considered masculine enough by others.

[Cherie]

Clearly a cynical marketing ploy

[bots]

it's obviously cynical marketing .... people should respond by not buying their products, then they won't be tempted to do it again

[Crimson Dynamo]

i cant believe that people fell for it even after it was clearly explained on page one!

:tongue:

[Niamh.]

Fell for what, It wouldn't make me anymore likely to buy or not buy gillette?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Fell for what, It wouldn't make me anymore likely to buy or not buy gillette?

what razors to you currently buy for Gav?

[Kazanne]

Everyone is talking about this new man hating Gillette advert.

Any opinions on here?

Have they just destroyed themselves by attacking their main customers?

Will they bring out an advert for their female products showing how horrible women are?

I've been laughing at Piers Morgan this morning,he is raging about it,:laugh: I do see his point but is it that bad?

[Niamh.]

what razors to you currently buy for Gav?

he buys his own razors

[Alf]

I've been laughing at Piers Morgan this morning,he is raging about it,:laugh: I do see his point but is it that bad?No it's not that bad. It's very accurate.

We all know men who just stand around at a barbecue and watch 2 children have a fight and instead of breaking it up they just smile and say boys will be boys.

[Alf]

Paul Joseph Watson came up with a good one for an advert for Maybelline. It's about women making false rape claims against innocent men.

So instead of "maybe it's Maybelline"

"Maybe it's make believe"

[Niamh.]

Paul Joseph Watson came up with a good one for an advert for Maybelline. It's about women making false rape claims against innocent men.

So instead of "maybe it's Maybelline"

"Maybe it's make believe"

tbf alot of perceived "fake" rape claims are not proven to be fake, there just isn't enough evidence to convict. It's a pretty difficult crime to prove unfortunately

[ethanjames]

think people are making a mountain out of a molehill tbh. not sure what it has to do with razors as its not really advertising the product but as a standalone thing its pretty good and well made

[Morgan.]

think people are making a mountain out of a molehill tbh. not sure what it has to do with razors as its not really advertising the product but as a standalone thing its pretty good and well made

Oh wow the legend returns

[ethanjames]

Oh wow the legend returns

yes the king himself

[Crimson Dynamo]

think people are making a mountain out of a molehill tbh. not sure what it has to do with razors as its not really advertising the product but as a standalone thing its pretty good and well made

of course it is


It is saying that modern non-rapist men shave their armpits and legs with Gillette razors

[user104658]

Marsh certainly is neither of those things, I doubt he lives his life by whether or not the things he does, likes or embodies are considered masculine enough by others.


What are you talking about arr Marsh is rugged. Butch. Some have even said macho.

[Alf]

tbf alot of perceived "fake" rape claims are not proven to be fake, there just isn't enough evidence to convict. It's a pretty difficult crime to prove unfortunatelyEven if only one of them fake claims are real, surely that's enough to represent most women with it?

After all, most men are attached to the me too movement in this advert, when me too came from a few millionaire paedophiles in Hollywood.

[user104658]

of course it is


It is saying that modern non-rapist men shave their armpits and legs with Gillette razors

True, I assumed Gillette would be struggling because no one shaves their face any more but I forgot that people have started shaving their back, chest and arse.

I can't be bothered with any of that. I #2 clipper my face every 3 days and even then I don't bother on holidays :umm2:. Though I don't have a hairy back... I'd probably get a gillette if that happened.

[Liam-]

What are you talking about arr Marsh is rugged. Butch. Some have even said macho.

He’s the inspiration behind Sinitta’s 80’s smash hit So Macho, don’t you know?

[Niamh.]

Even if only one of them fake claims are real, surely that's enough to represent most women with it?
After all, most men are attached to the me too movement in this advert, when me too came from a few millionaire paedophiles in Hollywood.

Came from sure.......

[Alf]

Came from sure.......Listen women, you don't tell me, I tell you. Know your place when I'm mansplaining to you.

[Niamh.]

Listen women, you don't tell me, I tell you. Know your place when I'm mansplaining to you.

fab

[Livia]

It currently has 23,000 likes and 214,000 dislikes, at time of writing - and that's increasing all the timeo youtube

Sometimes I have to hear stuff like this to remind myself how skewed the opinion on this forum is, and how little it compares with real life.

[Smithy]

Maybe update the title to “Snowflakes upset by tv advert”

[Tom4784]

No it's not that bad. It's very accurate.

We all know men who just stand around at a barbecue and watch 2 children have a fight and instead of breaking it up they just smile and say boys will be boys.

Yay for **** parenting?

[Marsh.]

What are you talking about arr Marsh is rugged. Butch. Some have even said macho.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/7e997f8ea1bb3351c9ac0b8887a912c6/tenor.gif

[Marsh.]

he buys his own razors

Modern legend.

[Niamh.]

Modern legend.

:joker:

[Northern Monkey]

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[Livia]

I'm sure all the males on this forum are happy to have the marketing department of multinational conglomerate Proctor & Gamble, advise them on what it means to be a man. I mean, most men I've met, with very few exceptions, have already known how to behave.

[Northern Monkey]

I'm sure all the males on this forum are happy to have the marketing department of multinational conglomerate Proctor & Gamble, advise them on what it means to be a man. I mean, most men I've met, with very few exceptions, have already known how to behave.

Yeah i’m so glad that ad came out.I honestly don’t know how i’d have stopped shouting at women in the street and teaching my kids toxic masculinity without it.
Guess that’s the annual kids burgers and boxing BBQ event cancelled this year.:laugh:

Gillette fecked up there.
Imagine a load of men making a commercial public service announcement ‘mansplaining’ to women how they should be behaving.

[Marsh.]

I'm sure all the males on this forum are happy to have the marketing department of multinational conglomerate Proctor & Gamble, advise them on what it means to be a man. I mean, most men I've met, with very few exceptions, have already known how to behave.

Depends if you take television that literally.

Does anyone with their right mind pay attention to what TV tells you is sexy, beautiful, normal, good, bad, rational etc?

[Tom4784]

There was nothing wrong with the Gilette ad. It's just a case of a loud minority having a mass tantrum and looking for an excuse to go 'grrr feminism!'.

[user104658]

There was nothing wrong with the Gilette ad. It's just a case of a loud minority having a mass tantrum and looking for an excuse to go 'grrr feminism!'.

Well... it's also a huge multinational company cynically exploiting and inflaming an important and already very sensitive issue to sell bathroom products and improve their bottom line. It's not just about the meninism / feminism angle here.

I mean if anyone could even vaguely convince me that the company gives a **** about men's image or women's rights or MeToo or anything other than their juicy bonus cheques that would be another matter. As it is it's hollow capitalism at its worst.

[Tom4784]

Well... it's also a huge multinational company cynically exploiting and inflaming an important and already very sensitive issue to sell bathroom products and improve their bottom line. It's not just about the meninism / feminism angle here.

I mean if anyone could even vaguely convince me that the company gives a **** about men's image or women's rights or MeToo or anything other than their juicy bonus cheques that would be another matter. As it is it's hollow capitalism at its worst.

Of course it is because it's only the Men's Right idiots that have made this into a story. The ad would have passed the rest of the world by without nary a care were it not for those pathetic little people and their baby rages.

Loads of companies 'take on causes' for the benefit of profit, the only reason so many of them support charities in the first place is for the financial benefits. It's an accepted part of business, it's hollow but it's harmless.

[Ant.]

I can nearly always see the other side of the story but I just failed to see how it was in any way "man-hating"

[user104658]

Of course it is because it's only the Men's Right idiots that have made this into a story. The ad would have passed the rest of the world by without nary a care were it not for those pathetic little people and their baby rages.

Loads of companies 'take on causes' for the benefit of profit, the only reason so many of them support charities in the first place is for the financial benefits. It's an accepted part of business, it's hollow but it's harmless.

You can't really say "it's harmless so long as thick people don't kick off" though... if it's harmful it's harmful. The reasons don't really matter, this entire spectacle is damaging to both the brand and to the cause they are pretending to support because things like this generate backlash. As is often the case; we can't live as though the world is as we wish it was... or as if people we know do exist, don't exist. Whether or not it SHOULD be harmful has little to do with whether or not it IS harmful, and making excuses for large companies making blunders like this on the grounds that "it's just millions of people being babies" isn't helpful, even when it's accurate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'm sure all the males on this forum are happy to have the marketing department of multinational conglomerate Proctor & Gamble, advise them on what it means to be a man. I mean, most men I've met, with very few exceptions, have already known how to behave.

Exactly , who do these people think we are, cavemen?

Probably some daft bird about to go on maternity doing it out of spite

:oh:

[Livia]

SO long as we all remember it was the marketing department of Proctor and Gamble that made this ad. It's marketing, not a public service announcement.

[Livia]

Exactly , who do these people think we are, cavemen?

Probably some daft bird about to go on maternity doing it out of spite

:oh:

LOL...

I remember the comedian Rita Rudner saying, if she ever goes into labour, she wants her husband on the next bed at least having his legs waxed. True equality, that is....

[user104658]

Exactly , who do these people think we are, cavemen?

Probably some daft bird about to go on maternity doing it out of spite

:oh:To be fair to the ladies LT I'd be VERY surprised if this ad wasn't suggested by a man.

[Matthew.]

Maybe update the title to “Snowflakes upset by tv advert”

:clap1:

[GoldHeart]

I don't see how it's man hating?

Some could argue it's a bit OTT for a Gillette ad , but i've watched plenty of ads that beat around the bush and you even forget what they're advertising until the logo pops up at the end :rolleyes: :joker: .

I guess it's also interpretation , is it just trying to show something positive in the end ? or is it just latching onto another agenda .

[Crimson Dynamo]

The aim is to get you to buy their very overpriced razors. They have no other aim motive or morality

[Marsh.]

Oh no, an advert stating the obvious "acting like a prick makes you a prick". :worry:

[Twosugars]

Exactly , who do these people think we are, cavemen?

Probably some daft bird about to go on maternity doing it out of spite

:oh:

you don't know that so stop reaching and leave women on maternity alone
unless you successfully manage to **** a whole coconut sideways and then you can talk :hee:

[Niamh.]

you don't know that so stop reaching and leave women on maternity alone
unless you successfully manage to **** a whole coconut sideways and then you can talk :hee:TS understanding labour so well, 10pts young man!

[Niamh.]

Some could argue it's a bit OTT for a Gillette ad , but i've watched plenty of ads that beat around the bush and you even forget what they're advertising until the logo pops up at the end :rolleyes: :joker: .



I guess it's also interpretation , is it just trying to show something positive in the end ? or is it just latching onto another agenda .Have you ever watched an "always" ad though? [emoji1787]

[user104658]

Have you ever watched an "always" ad though? [emoji1787]

Tampon adverts make me wish I had a vagina so that I could experience the sheer joy of using them. Everyone looks so happy :(. I would feel so free and like I could play tennis without worry and everything.

[Twosugars]

TS understanding labour so well, 10pts young man!
Seen a few live in my time (medical studies) and hate it when men are dismissive of the pain of it

[GoldHeart]

Have you ever watched an "always" ad though? [emoji1787]

Some are sillier than others regarding tampons & pads . But we get the general message that you can still be active while on your period and blah blah :joker: .

[Marsh.]

I love the advert about bloating. Beautifully illustrated by the lady with an oversized handbag. :joker:

[Withano]

Being masculing isn't illegal, doesn't stop people calling it toxic.

Theres a burger, and then theres a cheese burger - they both exist, but one kind has cheese

Then theres masculinity, and toxic masculinity - they both exist, but one kind is toxic.

[Alf]

Theres a burger, and then theres a cheese burger - they both exist, but one kind has cheese

Then theres masculinity, and toxic masculinity - they both exist, but one kind is toxic.Ethonol is toxic, men being men is not.

You just call masculine men toxic because you dislike masculine men, you dislike them for the crime of being masculine men, you're a hater, and that's fine.

I can call you a toxic social justice, PC, femo-man warrior, but it doesn't make it a real thing

[user104658]

Ethonol is toxic, men being men is not.

You just call masculine men toxic because you dislike masculine men, you dislike them for the crime of being masculine men, you're a hater, and that's fine.

I can call you a toxic social justice, PC, femo-man warrior, but it doesn't make a real thing

:joker: don't hold back, Alf!

[Withano]

Ethonol is toxic, men being men is not.

You just call masculine men toxic because you dislike masculine men, you dislike them for the crime of being masculine men, you're a hater, and that's fine.

I can call you a toxic social justice, PC, femo-man warrior, but it doesn't make a real thing

A masculine man is masculinity. That is an entirely different thing to toxic masculinity, you’re gonna have to scratch your head for this one though, I made that comment before I realised this thread had 7 pages and you were confused on every single one of them.

You are the one calling masculinity toxic. Nobody else is. Everybody realises masculinity can exist with or without toxicity.

[user104658]

But no srsly, there is a "bad" side to hyper-masculinity. I won't say "toxic masculinity" because frankly I despise almost all of these "buzz terms" ("toxic masculinity", "mansplaining", "feminazi", "snowflake", the overuse of the word "problematic", etc.) BUT it is a thing that exists, in the sense that it actually RESTRICTS some men in what they can express e.g. men being afraid to cry because of the reactions of other men, and actually, of many women. I suppose the difference is... it's fine if a man doesn't want to show emotion. It's NOT fine if a man does want to show emotion but can't because he will be mocked by other men. That's the part that's... err... problematic.

The problem is when men say things or take action based purely on social expectation, when it's not what they truly think or believe or what they actually want to do.

Ironically; it comes from a place of low self esteem, cowardice and lack of confidence. Confident men like me and you Alf don't give a shiny sh*t what other blokes think of us, amirite?

[Mystic Mock]

But no srsly, there is a "bad" side to hyper-masculinity. I won't say "toxic masculinity" because frankly I despise almost all of these "buzz terms" ("toxic masculinity", "mansplaining", "feminazi", "snowflake", the overuse of the word "problematic", etc.) BUT it is a thing that exists, in the sense that it actually RESTRICTS some men in what they can express e.g. men being afraid to cry because of the reactions of other men, and actually, of many women. I suppose the difference is... it's fine if a man doesn't want to show emotion. It's NOT fine if a man does want to show emotion but can't because he will be mocked by other men. That's the part that's... err... problematic.

The problem is when men say things or take action based purely on social expectation, when it's not what they truly think or believe or what they actually want to do.

Ironically; it comes from a place of low self esteem, cowardice and lack of confidence. Confident men like me and you Alf don't give a shiny sh*t what other blokes think of us, amirite?

I am quite guilty of using the term feminazi.:joker:

Tbh I don't get why the Gillette advert has used the term “toxic masculinity” as a new slogan for their advert as they're basically attacking their own customers.:joker:

Also I prefer the term machismo to describe an OTT masculine person anyway.

[Livia]

The power of advertising, eh? The Marketing department on P&G can all look forward to a hefty rise after this.

[LemonJam]

I mean it's funny how people in Australia are more outraged by this advert than the recent increasing murders of random women in Melbourne.

Can't speak for the UK, but there's a sickening irony there.

[user104658]

I mean it's funny how people in Australia are more outraged by this advert than the recent increasing murders of random women in Melbourne.

Can't speak for the UK, but there's a sickening irony there.

Apples and oranges to be fair; this doesn't mean that people care about ads more than murder. People latch onto and comment on "novelty" and SADLY things like violence, murder, war and terrorism are such common news items that they don't hold people's attention or promote much discussion that hasn't been done before.

So this is gaining a lot of attention because it's a unique situation, and murder (sadly) is not. It's not because people think it's more important, it's just more unusual.

I suppose in the same way that, let's say, Ant's "drunk car crash" prompted a lot of discussion when (sadly, I'm sure) countless murders and bomb blasts occurred on the same day across the world.

[Mystic Mock]

I mean it's funny how people in Australia are more outraged by this advert than the recent increasing murders of random women in Melbourne.

Can't speak for the UK, but there's a sickening irony there.

Have The Police in Australia come forward to say that it's a serial killer?

[Niamh.]

Tampon adverts make me wish I had a vagina so that I could experience the sheer joy of using them. Everyone looks so happy :(. I would feel so free and like I could play tennis without worry and everything.

:laugh:

[Niamh.]

Ethonol is toxic, men being men is not.

You just call masculine men toxic because you dislike masculine men, you dislike them for the crime of being masculine men, you're a hater, and that's fine.

I can call you a toxic social justice, PC, femo-man warrior, but it doesn't make it a real thing

Just for you Alf

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[Oliver_W]

Toxic masculinity is a stupid phrase because it's so ineffective - an effective phrase wouldn't need people to keep justifying it.

"Detrimental dickwagging" is better.

[Marsh.]

Toxic masculinity is a stupid phrase because it's so ineffective - an effective phrase wouldn't need people to keep justifying it.

"Detrimental dickwagging" is better.

Not really. It's self explanatory.

Some people just struggle to understand words and some pretend not to understand to mock and troll.

[Twosugars]

A masculine man is masculinity. That is an entirely different thing to toxic masculinity, you’re gonna have to scratch your head for this one though, I made that comment before I realised this thread had 7 pages and you were confused on every single one of them.

You are the one calling masculinity toxic. Nobody else is. Everybody realises masculinity can exist with or without toxicity.

got it, Alfred?

[Tom4784]

Masculinity and toxic masculinity are two different things. A good example of toxic masculinity can be found in this thread with all the talk of boys being left to fight it out and being 'well 'ard'. Toxic masculinity is the idea that men need to repress how they feel and have to adhere to the idea that men have to solve problem with their fists and can't be upset at anything or upset by anything ever.

Toxic masculinity is a big reason why suicide rates amongst men are so high because men are often made to feel like they can't reach out for help or they'll be seen as weak or why male rape and sexual abuse is so rarely reported because a let of men are afraid to be seen as lesser because they are a victim of an attack. That's not down to feminism or women in general, that's a standard that's been created by men for other men.

Real masculinity is embracing who you are and not being scared to reach out for help when you need it as well as being there for other people who are also in need, that to me is a 'real man', being brave enough to accept that you aren't impervious to life.

[Oliver_W]

As a concept toxic masculinity is sound, it's just the name is unfortunate. People who don't regularly engage in conversations about that kind of issue won't necessarily see it as "a toxic type of masculinity", as seen by how often people have to defend the use of the term.

[Tom4784]

If someone is offended by the term without understanding what it means then it makes them ignorant and I don't really think changing the name will help either since people will still see it as an attack on men regardless.

I don't know if comments are still active on the original video of the ad but the people taking issue seemed actually insane. People were raving about how they've got family in the military and that the ad was anti-military and others were making all sorts of outlandish claims of offense. Those people were reading into things that weren't there and I think there's nothing to be said to reach them because they're going off their own narrative instead of what's in front of their eyes.

[Twosugars]

As a concept toxic masculinity is sound, it's just the name is unfortunate. People who don't regularly engage in conversations about that kind of issue won't necessarily see it as "a toxic type of masculinity", as seen by how often people have to defend the use of the term.

true

[bots]

i have always used a term i think is much better than toxic masculinity .... arsehole

[Crimson Dynamo]

i have always used a term i think is much better than toxic masculinity .... arsehole

yep

toxic was the buzzword of 2018

toxic masculinity is a bs term us to make the user sound like they know a thing or two much more than it is a term to describe an actual thing

no surprise a hideous corporate marketing department is using it to target gullible millenniums :joker:

[Alf]

i have always used a term i think is much better than toxic masculinity .... arseholeBut what if they're not an arsehole? What if they're using their poisonous masculinity to do something good. Like killing enemy soldiers on the battlefield to defend their country.

[Marsh.]

We're comparing soldiers to blokes throwing their weight around down the pub? :unsure:

[Tom4784]

We're comparing soldiers to blokes throwing their weight around down the pub? :unsure:

Kinda ties into the example I mentioned in my last post of how people viewed the Gilette advert as an attack on soldiers, it's bizarre.

[Alf]

We're comparing soldiers to blokes throwing their weight around down the pub? :unsure:Soldiers can be the men who throw their weight around in the pub, or is that impossible? Women also throw their weight around in the pub, do the women get thrown into the category of poisonous masculity, or is there a separate label for them? Is that label poisonous femininity? Can that be a thing?

[Marsh.]

Soldiers can be the men who throw their weight around in the pub, or is that impossible? Women also throw their weight around in the pub, do the women get thrown into the category of poisonous masculity, or is there a separate label for them? Is that label poisonous femininity? Can that be a thing?

You mentioned "killing enemies on the battlefield" that's got nothing to do with idiots in a pub.

Organise your thoughts before posting.

[Alf]

You mentioned "killing enemies on the battlefield" that's got nothing to do with idiots in a pub.

Organise your thoughts before posting.When you just told me to organise my thoughts before posting, is that an example of poisonous masculinity?

[Shaun]

Seems to have worked as an advertising campaign, since nobody's bloody stopped talking about Gillette :laugh:

[Marsh.]

When you just told me to organise my thoughts before posting, is that an example of poisonous masculinity?

No wonder the advert confused you, you're struggling to understand what masculinity is.

[Alf]

No wonder the advert confused you, you're struggling to understand what masculinity is.How could I struggle to understand what masculinity means, I have Google If I was struggling to understand what it meant, I could just use that.

In your last post, you ordered me to do something, or at least it felt like an order. Was that poisonous masculinity?

[Marsh.]

How could I struggle to understand what masculinity means, I have Google If I was struggling to understand what it meant, I could just use that.

In your last post, you ordered me to do something, or at least it felt like an order. Was that poisonous masculinity?

Ordered? No, Alf, I didn't.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Seems to have worked as an advertising campaign, since nobody's bloody stopped talking about Gillette :laugh:

you buy a razor yet?

[Oliver_W]

The perspective of someone who's lived as both genders:
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[Beso]

Can you all shut up and let the women have a say.