Switching Karma off

[~Kizwiz~]

So I have tried this karma thing, and I gave it some time as suggested.

I voiced my opinion, that I don’t like the fact that people can take karma away from you so easily.

I mentioned this in another karma thread, that it doesn’t make me feel very good about myself and low and behold a few moments later….. a point gets taken away from me. How thoughtful I thought :bored:

So I am turning it off…. I gave it a try but its just a way of getting back at people you dont like isn’t it in a sneaky snide way.

[GiRTh]

I agree. My Karma goes up in the morning then miraculously takes a nose dive around mid afternoon early evening. I think we should get rid of it.

[Michael]

whats wrong with it? i like it

[GiRTh]

It's a way of sneekily getting back at people by people who can't air their views on the forum.

[~Kizwiz~]

Yes.... its funny how I said that it didnt make me feel very good about myself and then i go down a point.

Thats like kicking someone when their down really :bored:

[Arneldo]

Okay, but was there any need to start a whole new topic?

[Mrluvaluva]

I was joking, asking for karma, and mine suddenly went right down. If it was public who was voting for you though, it wouldn't happen. Some members are obviously taking karma away, but would they do it if it wasn't anonymous?

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Arneldo
Okay, but was there any need to start a whole new topic?
Sorry..... I was only trying to have an opinion

[GiRTh]

Why not?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Arneldo
Okay, but was there any need to start a whole new topic?

The other thread is like an official one. I think this is more for people to discuss and air their views.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Arneldo
Okay, but was there any need to start a whole new topic? Why not? There have been threads created for far less worthy subjects. What should we start threads on?

[Mark]

Originally posted by GiRTh
What should we start threads on?

Big Brother?

We added the option for you to turn Karma off in your profile, I don't see what the big deal is.

- Mark

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Mark
Big Brother?

We added the option for you to turn Karma off in your profile, I don't see what the big deal is.

- Mark Yes. Of course, but I happen to agree with the sentiment of this thread.

I'm going to keep mine on but I'll see how it will take a nosedive at about 4 in the afternoon.

[~Kizwiz~]

People told me to give it a chance.... I did.... I said I was sad about how much negative karma was being given out.... and then i got one taken away.

I just felt like that was very unfair and sneeky.... and I just wanted to be able to comment on it.

I thought I read somewhere by an admin member that negative karma was going to be watched?

I am grateful to be able to turn it off but i just feel there is too much -karma around

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Mark
Originally posted by GiRTh
What should we start threads on?

Big Brother?

We added the option for you to turn Karma off in your profile, I don't see what the big deal is.

- Mark


Well obviously some people have issues with it.

[Mark]

It's impossible to keep everyone on a forum this size happy.

There's always going to be a few people who don't like something. Karma was requested for a long time, and now we've added it, a huge majority of people like it.

- Mark

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Mark
It's impossible to keep everyone on a forum this size happy.

There's always going to be a few people who don't like something. Karma was requested for a long time, and now we've added it, a huge majority of people like it.

- Mark That may well be the case but there are some very spiteful immature people on this forum and something like this is a way for them to snipe at someone anonymously.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Mark
It's impossible to keep everyone on a forum this size happy.

There's always going to be a few people who don't like something. Karma was requested for a long time, and now we've added it, a huge majority of people like it.

- Mark

I understand that Mark,and I am not asking for it to be taken away. I thought after a few days it was a good idea, but there seems to be too much negative karma being dished out.

For example,I wont mention the members, but these members have been regular members in the past and they havent been on for some time but they both had -1 karma.... i dont think thats fair

[MarkWaldorf]

I agree Kiz. I don't think your Karma is safe, and it goes down for the most random things. It's pointless as well, cause it's clearly been given to friends in some cases.

[Mrluvaluva]

Why would people take karma off members that haven't posted since it had been started? The only reason I can think of is because they don't like them.

[~Kizwiz~]

But that it you see Baz..... people are taking karma off people for no reason.

Its not fair

[Mrluvaluva]

I like to give karma to members without any, to cheer them up. Some members like to take it away to be spiteful.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by ~~
I like to give karma to members without any, to cheer them up. Some members like to take it away to be spiteful.

Thats what I have been doing..... but its clear that others have a different game plan.

I wonder if they would take it away if you were able to see who gave and who took???

I somehow think not

[Ruth*Star]

I got 2 points taken of me last night and i don't remeber doing anything wrong.

[Sophii3x]

Mark has given the option of whether we want it or not on our accounts, it just up to everyone to decide.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
Mark has given the option of whether we want it or not on our accounts, it just up to everyone to decide.

I understand that hon.... but what I am trying to raise is the fact that there seems to be too much negativeness around. For no reason.

People are taking the piss

[Amy]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
Mark has given the option of whether we want it or not on our accounts, it just up to everyone to decide.

Indeed it is. I'd say this, just turn it off if you are not happy with it. I can see people may/may not like it but at least there is an option there to turn it on if you want it or off if you don't.

[Sunny_01]

Kiz thanks for giving it a go - at least you tried it out, it's obviously not something you are ever going to like which is a shame but I can understand your reasons.

I suppose another way to look at it is there have been far fewer arguments on the forum since it started! people are responding by removing Karma rather than giving someone a load of abuse. Yes spiteful but surely better.

I dont think its going to stop all arguments but every little helps xx

[~Kizwiz~]

Fine.... so nobody is listening to what I am really trying to say..... great.... I give up :bored:

[Sophii3x]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Sophii3x
Mark has given the option of whether we want it or not on our accounts, it just up to everyone to decide.

I understand that hon.... but what I am trying to raise is the fact that there seems to be too much negativeness around. For no reason.

People are taking the p**s

Ahh right. But Iv'e just realised that Iv'e had one taken off me since this morning when I haven't been online until now, but I don't care.
Maybe some people have been going around giving people -karma for the hell of it, but personally I haven't really seen that.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Sunny_01

people are responding by removing Karma rather than giving someone a load of abuse. Yes spiteful but surely better.

But I didnt do anything wrong :sad:

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Fine.... so nobody is listening to what I am really trying to say..... great.... I give up :bored:

I think you will find we are listening - we dont have to agree to listen Kiz

[Sunny_01]

I appreciate that you dont like it I really do - and like I said I understand your reasons for not liking it but many others on the forum do like it.

Its about compromise really, Mark created a compromise for those of you who dont like it and left it on for those who do

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Sunny_01

I dont think its going to stop all arguments but every little helps xx

Do you work for Tesco Sunny? :joker:

[GiRTh]

At the end of the day, I actually don't mind it but I agree with the sentiment of this thread.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by ~~
Originally posted by Sunny_01

I dont think its going to stop all arguments but every little helps xx

Do you work for Tesco Sunny? :joker:

God do you not even know your supermarlets - its Asda lol

[Legend]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by Mark
Big Brother?

We added the option for you to turn Karma off in your profile, I don't see what the big deal is.

- Mark Yes. Of course, but I happen to agree with the sentiment of this thread.

I'm going to keep mine on but I'll see how it will take a nosedive at about 4 in the afternoon.

Sorry, i couldn't resist, it was 4 on the dot when i read this post. :wink:

[Mrluvaluva]

I think we should just have a + on the karma. Get rid of the -. There would be no negativity then.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I appreciate that you dont like it I really do - and like I said I understand your reasons for not liking it but many others on the forum do like it.

Its about compromise really, Mark created a compromise for those of you who dont like it and left it on for those who do
Sunny... your misunderstanding me.... I like the karma system.... I really really do but what I dont like is the fact there is too much negativeness going on.

I dont feel i have done anything, until starting this thread to warrant taking a point away from me today.

I feel i am not being listened to because people assume that I dont like the system... I do

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Originally posted by ~~
Originally posted by Sunny_01

I dont think its going to stop all arguments but every little helps xx

Do you work for Tesco Sunny? :joker:

God do you not even know your supermarlets - its Asda lol


I beg to differ. lol

[Legend]

Originally posted by ~~
I think we should just have a + on the karma. Get rid of the -. There would be no negativity then.

I don't think so. I think the -karma is good because as Sunny said, it has stopped some arguments happening. Twice i've given it because some posts REALLY annoyed me, i was going to respond but i knew from what he had already posted, adding my tuppence would be pointless so i just minused his karma - it made me feel better. :laugh:

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by kizwiz

I dont feel i have done anything, until starting this thread to warrant taking a point away from me today.




This thread doesn't warrant taking a point from you. You have done nothing wrong.

[Sunny_01]

You see I dont agree I dont think there is a huge amount of negativity going on, in fact I see a lot of members with Karma points, yes we lose a few along the way but thats life really. A minority of members are going to use it in a silly way, but that doesnt mean that the majority of us who use it in a responsible way have to let it get to us!

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by ~~

This thread doesn't warrant taking a point from you. You have done nothing wrong.
I turned my karma off before I even started this topic... so it was taken away from me before then

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Legend
Originally posted by ~~
I think we should just have a + on the karma. Get rid of the -. There would be no negativity then.

I don't think so. I think the -karma is good because as Sunny said, it has stopped some arguments happening. Twice i've given it because some posts REALLY annoyed me, i was going to respond but i knew from what he had already posted, adding my tuppence would be pointless so i just minused his karma - it made me feel better. :laugh:


Well we will just have to agree to disagree. I would rather post my views.

[~Kizwiz~]

Fine.... I used to love this place..... but as far as I can see its now tunred, for some people, into snide and backstabbing fest.

Like I said before, would people still take karma away if we could see who has done it.... no.
we have a no insults policy... now we have a backdoor way of doing

Shame

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by ~~

This thread doesn't warrant taking a point from you. You have done nothing wrong.
I turned my karma off before I even started this topic... so it was taken away from me before then


I know that. But you said you hadn't done anything wrong to warrant taking a point away from you prior to starting this thread. You implied that starting this thread was wrong? Starting this thread wasn't wrong IMO.

[Legend]

Originally posted by ~~
Originally posted by Legend
Originally posted by ~~
I think we should just have a + on the karma. Get rid of the -. There would be no negativity then.

I don't think so. I think the -karma is good because as Sunny said, it has stopped some arguments happening. Twice i've given it because some posts REALLY annoyed me, i was going to respond but i knew from what he had already posted, adding my tuppence would be pointless so i just minused his karma - it made me feel better. :laugh:


Well we will just have to agree to disagree. I would rather post my views.

Yeah, as do I. But when you can tell from the way somebody has been posting already that they will either ignore it or call you something - i didn't want to waste my time.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by ~~

I know that. But you said you hadn't done anything wrong to warrant taking a point away from you prior to starting this thread. You implied that starting this thread was wrong? Starting this thread wasn't wrong IMO.

Got you... sorry.... misunderstood

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Legend

Yeah, as do I. But when you can tell from the way somebody has been posting already that they will either ignore it or call you something - i didn't want to waste my time.

I see what you are saying, but I don't think you see what Kiz is saying. You took karma off someone for a post that annoyed you. Kiz hadn't done anything wrong. Someone took karma off her for the sheer hell of it.

[Lil-Lindz]

I dont really pay any attention to my karma, it doesnt really bother me lol

[Legend]

Originally posted by ~~
Originally posted by Legend

Yeah, as do I. But when you can tell from the way somebody has been posting already that they will either ignore it or call you something - i didn't want to waste my time.

I see what you are saying, but I don't think you see what Kiz is saying. You took karma off someone for a post that annoyed you. Kiz hadn't done anything wrong. Someone took karma off her for the sheer hell of it.

I know exactly what kiz is saying but other than ''they're all childish with nothing better to do with their time'', there really was nothing else i could say about it, and i'm sure kiz already knows that ^^. :laugh:

I was replying to your comment because i disagreed with it, that was what the example was for.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Lil-Lindz
I dont really pay any attention to my karma, it doesnt really bother me lol It didnt bother me, until this morning. I commented that I felt down and how the karma thing didnt make me feel very good about posting anymore and then I got a point taken for no reason.

The thing that annoyed me was the fact I said I felt down yet someone amplified that by taking one off me..... nice going

[Amy]

Originally posted by kizwiz
The thing that annoyed me was the fact I said I felt down yet someone amplified that by taking one off me..... nice going

Can I ask how you know this person took the karma point off of you for this very reason?

I'll also ask that a suggestion be made in this thread I think it would be better to suggest that perhaps we are able to see who adds or takes away our Karma..

personally, I don't think that is a good idea.. it could potentially cause more arguments.

I'd simply still say turn it off if you don't like the idea of Karma.

[Lil-Lindz]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Lil-Lindz
I dont really pay any attention to my karma, it doesnt really bother me lol It didnt bother me, until this morning. I commented that I felt down and how the karma thing didnt make me feel very good about posting anymore and then I got a point taken for no reason.

The thing that annoyed me was the fact I said I felt down yet someone amplified that by taking one off me..... nice going

Yea i see where your coming from
personally i dont think it is a good idea because if you really like a housemate and someone hates them they are only going to take karma off because they hate that housemate

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Amy

Can I ask how you know this person took the karma point off of you for this very reason?

Thanks so much for listening Amy. I had only made a few post..... I had 7 points and then commented in the other karma thread..... and then my karma went down..... now it could have been relating to another post but it just was too much of a coincidence.

It just didnt make me feel good about myself.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Legend

I know exactly what kiz is saying but other than ''they're all childish with nothing better to do with their time'', there really was nothing else i could say about it, and i'm sure kiz already knows that ^^. :laugh:

I was replying to your comment because i disagreed with it, that was what the example was for.

I agree with the childish point. I have just posted my views. If you don't agree with them fine. You are entitled to your opinion. As I said, we will agree to disagree.

[Amy]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Amy

Can I ask how you know this person took the karma point off of you for this very reason?

Thanks so much for listening Amy. I had only made a few post..... I had 7 points and then commented in the other karma thread..... and then my karma went down..... now it could have been relating to another post but it just was too much of a coincidence.

It just didnt make me feel good about myself.

I can see what you are saying Kiz, but there is still a chance that someone took the point off of you beause of a post done at another time. I see what you are saying but don't worry.. it's only Karma :wink:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Amy
I can see what you are saying Kiz, but there is still a chance that someone took the point off of you beause of a post done at another time. I see what you are saying but don't worry.. it's only Karma :wink:
I know, but you see it caught me at a very fragile time..... its snide and sneeky.

And thats just not how I see this forum.

I know that people asking why their karma has gone down in other places too.

I just dont like the negative aspect... and the agruments may have died down but you can bet your bottom dollar they wont be gone for long

[Matt]

I'm with you on this Kiz :thumbs:

[InTheFade]

Turned my karma off, now no-one can downrate it for no apparent reason.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Jaz0
Turned my karma off, now no-one can downrate it for no apparent reason.

I'm with you on this one.... and Matt

negative karma just creates bad feelings

[Matt]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by Jaz0
Turned my karma off, now no-one can downrate it for no apparent reason.

I'm with you on this one.... and Matt

negative karma just creates bad feelings

I had 8 karma one day...

the next time I logged in it was 3.

:nono:

[Sam]

I think keeping only postivie karma would be better

[~Kizwiz~]

I know Matt.... thats happened to a lot of people.

I know we wont be listened to.... but maybe negative karma should only be allowed once a day????

Or not at all.

I also think, as giving karma out makes me feel good that if you have the karma turned off you could still be allowed to give out possitive points

[Matt]

Originally posted by kizwiz
I know Matt.... thats happened to a lot of people.

I know we wont be listened to.... but maybe negative karma should only be allowed once a day????

Or not at all.

I also think, as giving karma out makes me feel good that if you have the karma turned off you could still be allowed to give out possitive points

It's a tricky subject.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by kizwiz
I know Matt.... thats happened to a lot of people.

I know we wont be listened to.... but maybe negative karma should only be allowed once a day????

Or not at all.

I also think, as giving karma out makes me feel good that if you have the karma turned off you could still be allowed to give out possitive points

Everyone is listened to, Mark and James have done this at the request of members, they then made further changes again at the request of members.

Now more chages are being requested, when will it be enough I wonder

[Dan_]

I know on one hand it's probably helped to stop some stupid little arguments but on the other hand it may well stifle debate, rather than some people actually bothering to think of a well thought out reply to what you've put they can just take karma off just because they disagree with you.I think only very silly/abusive posts are worthy of taking karma away not just because you don't agree with what someone has to say.

I'm all for positive karma as it's a nice reward for good posts.

[Slartibartfast]

I rarely think of the karma when I'm posting, don't think it prevents me from debating with someone. I'll give karma when it's deserved, usually a funny post or where someone has done something worthwhile.

But to be honest, I give more negative than positive. I'll give negative for grammar or spelling errors and especially for starting pointless bleedin threads and having titles like "Wow" or "OMG" without giving any more detail :mad:

Only change I would ask for is to be able to give both one positive and one negative karma each hour instead of just one of either. But it's not a major problem!

I guess people can simply turn it off if they don't like it or if they're not as popular as they hoped.

[Red Moon]

Originally posted by SlartibartfastI'll give negative for grammar or spelling errors

Sorry but I'm dyslexic and so are other people on the site, about 10% of site in fact if we have an average representation of the population here. Taking karma away from these people just because they can't spell or because they make grammatical errors is just mean and nasty.

It like judging people just because they are in a wheel chair!

It's just not on!

[Slartibartfast]

I guess I'm just mean and nasty then :dance2:

You want me to U2U before I take any karma in future, you can tell me if it's ok or not :tongue::wink:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Slartibartfast

But to be honest, I give more negative than positive. I'll give negative for grammar or spelling errors


I'm dyslexic and to take away a point for something a person cant help is unfair :sad:

[Slartibartfast]

Yeah it isn't fair but as we established above, I'm mean and nasty!:tongue:

Seriously though, it needs to be some pretty bad mistakes to tick me off enough to give negative karma, and karma is precious stuff cos I have to wait ages before I can do it again!:tongue:

Since both you and Red have turned off karma, you have nothing to worry about though and I don't remember deducting any when you had it turned on! :hug:

[Ruth*Star]

i agree with Kizzy, its ridiculous that people are taking karma down for no reason, i've lost 3 points now in 48 hours and i don't know what i have done, i lost a point then and i don't know what i have done. :/

[Matt]

Originally posted by Red Moon
Originally posted by SlartibartfastI'll give negative for grammar or spelling errors

Sorry but I'm dyslexic and so are other people on the site, about 10% of site in fact if we have an average representation of the population here. Taking karma away from these people just because they can't spell or because they make grammatical errors is just mean and nasty.

It like judging people just because they are in a wheel chair!

It's just not on!

I didn't know you two were dyslexic...

...nor did I know that 10% of TiBB were.

*Makes note to stay nice at all times*

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Matt™

I didn't know you two were dyslexic...

...nor did I know that 10% of TiBB were.

*Makes note to stay nice at all times*

its ok..... 10% of the population are

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Slartibartfast
I rarely think of the karma when I'm posting, don't think it prevents me from debating with someone. I'll give karma when it's deserved, usually a funny post or where someone has done something worthwhile.

But to be honest, I give more negative than positive. I'll give negative for grammar or spelling errors and especially for starting pointless bleedin threads and having titles like "Wow" or "OMG" without giving any more detail :mad:

Only change I would ask for is to be able to give both one positive and one negative karma each hour instead of just one of either. But it's not a major problem!

I guess people can simply turn it off if they don't like it or if they're not as popular as they hoped.

I have to say that Karma should NOT be deducted based on peoples spelling! As has already been said there are many people here who have problems that would affect their ability to spell things right.

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Sunny_01

I have to say that Karma should NOT be deducted based on peoples spelling! As has already been said there are many people here who have problems that would affect their ability to spell things right.

:flowers:

Thank you sunny.... when I read this origianly I was shocked that karma could be used like this.

I love the idea of Karma, its great to be able to give it out in a possitive way.

But this sort of negativeness is why I have turned it off

[Slartibartfast]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Originally posted by Slartibartfast
I rarely think of the karma when I'm posting, don't think it prevents me from debating with someone. I'll give karma when it's deserved, usually a funny post or where someone has done something worthwhile.

But to be honest, I give more negative than positive. I'll give negative for grammar or spelling errors and especially for starting pointless bleedin threads and having titles like "Wow" or "OMG" without giving any more detail :mad:

Only change I would ask for is to be able to give both one positive and one negative karma each hour instead of just one of either. But it's not a major problem!

I guess people can simply turn it off if they don't like it or if they're not as popular as they hoped.

I have to say that Karma should NOT be deducted based on peoples spelling! As has already been said there are many people here who have problems that would affect their ability to spell things right.

Well I read the new rules of karma and didn't see anything about that, but I've been trying anyway to figure out a way to make my policy on spelling errors more able to reflect the 10% who are dyslexic, I don't want to be seen to be discriminating or anything! :nono:

So as Red said, if the board is an accurate representation of the population, then about 10% are dyslexic. So from now on, when I see a post that has committed serious crimes against the english language, I'm gritting my teeth, fighting back the urge to post and tell this person how so so wrong they are and I'm just about to hit that -Karma button, for one person in every ten I will say no, maybe it's not their fault, and give postitive karma to someone else instead. :eureka:

I think that's a much fairer policy and it'll cover the 10% :thumbs: :thumbs2:

[Amy]

Karma, karma, Karma.. I'm going to be 100% honest I'm so sick of hearing about it as much as I am the Emily is a racist row... People, negative Karma is not going to kill you.. away from the forum negative Karma does not dictate how you are as a person it is merely only forum Karma. Those that have now turned it off.. then it's not an issue anymore.. it's off. I don't want rid of something forum members wanted now don't cause they've realised now that, although they like having Karma... negative they don't as it's the end of the world as we know it.

Here at TiBB we are all for respecting each others views and opinions.. well, that has to abide to why someone takes negative Karma too.. we might not agree with someone's opinion on why but it's their opinion and we are all very different. We are more than happy to accept positive karma without and questions and what if that was being given for the wrong reasons? Lets be fair... you don't always know why people are taking Karma ...so what.. it's really not the end of the world as we know it.