My new Brexit Party, supported by Nigel Farage, will fight for our democracy

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2019/01/20/TELEMMGLPICT000185957016_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqLeUJvOJ qnV613e1NxllMSYIixnj0N-lTmS4HQcSqwKA.jpeg?imwidth=700

Is this the day democracy dies? Today may see an establishment coup in the corridors of Westminster designed to overturn the biggest vote in our electoral history.

It was 31 months ago that we were asked as a nation whether we wanted to ‘leave’. We gave a clear answer. Yet now most MPs seem determined not simply to water it down but to reverse it completely.

When young children are losing at board games they demand to change the rules. Yet this same juvenile intent drives the cabal of democracy defying MPs.

Let us remember that it was pro Remain MPs who decided the rules. They decided that there would be a referendum. David Cameron’s leaflet to every household said: “The Government will implement what you decide.” In bold type it stated that we were making a “once in a generation decision”. Yet now Remain MPs want us to believe that “once in a generation” only applied if it was a decision they liked.

To understand how deep their contempt for democracy is let us also recall that in February 2017 overwhelming majorities of both Conservative and Labour MPs voted to set Brexit in motion either through a negotiated deal or WTO terms. In all 498 MPs voted to confirm Brexit. In the General Election that followed four months later both the main parties promised to implement the result of the Referendum. So pro Leave voters across the nation felt safe that Brexit was going ahead.

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So brazen has been the betrayal of these voters that the Remain clique is having to resort to risible justifications. These MPs were keen to encourage Leave voters to support them in the 2017 General Election. But now they say that the Referendum question was too complicated for those voters. Especially for the older working class ones whom they believe don’t know what’s in their interests. So how come do these Remainers argue for 16 year olds to be allowed to vote in future referendums?

Then there is the ‘divided country’ ploy. They claim that the country is too divided for the Brexit result to be honoured. At most we should half-Leave the EU. Yet do Tory Remainers demand that because Labour only won the Kensington seat in the 2017 election by 20 votes that Labour should only have half an MP? No. They accept that in our first past the post system tiny majorities win. So why do they not respect the Leave campaign’s 1.3 million majority?

What is the democratic response to such a coup and such contempt? It is to form a new party - and that is what I have done in launching the Brexit Party. With the support of Nigel Farage, I earlier this month filed the application to the Electoral Commission. We will be ready if there is a General Election this year - or if the UK takes part in May’s European Elections because the coup has succeeded. Already the campaign has been gathering momentum with rallies around the country. We know that outside the Westminster bubble is a nation which was strongly for Leave. Of the Referendum votes cast outside London, Leave had an 11 per cent majority. The gathering wrath of the British people will be visited on each and every Remain MP through the ballot box.

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The Brexit Party will focus on the democracy question. This includes the right of people outside London to decide what is in the economic and political interests. Those on the left or right who want to draw the debate into questions of race will find no succour from us. Our purpose is to give choice to the British people who are the most tolerant nation on Earth.

Yet what if this response to the Parliamentary putsch does not work? What happens if by passing binding treaties or manipulating referendum questions the 17.4 million votes in 2016 continue to be defied?

The bedrock of our political culture over the last 800 years has been consent to be governed. Year by year, yard by yard, through blood, sweat and tears we have matured our democracy. But in recent decades the EU elite has shown that it will always put the power of Brussels and the interests of big companies ahead of everyone else.

So we have cheap labour from inside and outside the EU surging around the continent with no regards for the impact on individual nations. The consequence has been that across Europe old parties are giving way to the new. The tone deafness of Britain’s elite will result in a further rebuke from British citizens. Our hope is that their anger does not overflow the boundaries of civilised politics.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/01/21/new-brexit-party-founded-nigel-farages-support-will-fight-democracy/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Who will support this new Brexit party? :amazed:

[arista]

It might not be needed

[Crimson Dynamo]

he said he hopes it wont be but he is putting the structure together just in case

[Withano]

A party thats fighting for democracy?! The Peoples vote 2019 is cominggggg!

[arista]

he said he hopes it wont be but he is putting the structure together just in case


Sure a Back Up
as UKIP is no longer liked by Nigel.

[arista]

A party thats fighting for democracy?! The Peoples vote 2019 is cominggggg!



No.

Not enough time

[Withano]

No.

Not enough time

Doesnt sound very democratic for them to just assume what the public want.

[Niamh.]

Wouldn't it still be democratic though? Surely if it's still what the people want they will just vote no again?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wouldn't it still be democratic though? Surely if it's still what the people want they will just vote no again?

consent and rule

where do we stop, what happens at the next election?

can i have a rerun of ML as I dont think many of the younger members understood what they voted for??

[arista]

Wouldn't it still be democratic though? Surely if it's still what the people want they will just vote no again?


There has been loads of New Polls taken
no one wants a 2nd vote


They just want to get past the date of 29th March 2019 11PM


This is NOTHING like you had in your nation
this is more serious

[Niamh.]

consent and rule

where do we stop, what happens at the next election?

can i have a rerun of ML as I dont think many of the younger members understood what they voted for??

I think this is a pretty exceptional case though. It's been extremely messy and It does seem like alot of people didn't realise how messy it would actually get?

[Twosugars]

I think this is a pretty exceptional case though. It's been extremely messy and It does seem like alot of people didn't realise how messy it would actually get?

They're scared of another vote, Niamh. They know it was a fluke

[Niamh.]

They're scared of another vote, Niamh. They know it was a fluke

Certainly seems that way

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think this is a pretty exceptional case though. It's been extremely messy and It does seem like alot of people didn't realise how messy it would actually get?

but we have not left yet - all that has happened is the EU have been mean because 1. they can, 2. they know that this is the thin end of the wedge and if they made it easy it would spell the end of their cartel

[Niamh.]

but we have not left yet - all that has happened is the EU have been mean because 1. they can, 2. they know that this is the thin end of the wedge and if they made it easy it would spell the end of their cartel

What have the Eu done to the UK that was so awful? (I'm not talking about the exit negotiations btw, I mean why they're a "cartel" ) :laugh:

[arista]

What have the Eu done to the UK that was so awful? (I'm not talking about the exit negotiations btw, I mean why they're a "cartel" ) :laugh:


The EU has been bad news for us
Your Nation is stuck in it.

We have every right to divorce it

[Cherie]

I don't want a re-run of the referendum and I don't think most people do, what would be good would be a vote on how we leave if we are leaving, ie no deal, Mays deal (which apparently is the most likely now according to yesterdays politics shows), a Norway deal ect, its all very well saying people voted out or in but many of us voted on what we knew or what was known in the past, I think now it has been spelled out...sort of ...what might/will happen the decision should not be down to hooray henrys in Parliament, of course Mogg is happy to go with no deal, all his assets are probably offshore.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What have the Eu done to the UK that was so awful? (I'm not talking about the exit negotiations btw, I mean why they're a "cartel" ) :laugh:

The British Chambers of Commerce has estimated that the annual cost to the UK of EU regulation is £7.4 billion squid.

Its a bit like the scots arguing against London rule

We have out own numpties who can stitch us up politically so why do we need other twats from other countries?

[Twosugars]

What have the Eu done to the UK that was so awful? (I'm not talking about the exit negotiations btw, I mean why they're a "cartel" ) :laugh:

all the environment protections, workers rights :laugh:
some "businessmen" here would prefer a return of 19th century capitalism
sad thing is that some working classes have been bamboozled to go along with it, turkeys voting for Christmas :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

all the environment protections, workers rights :laugh:
some "businessmen" here would prefer a return of 19th century capitalism
sad thing is that some working classes have been bamboozled to go along with it, turkeys voting for Christmas :hehe:


oh I see insulting people you have never met and dont know is now a legit argument?

:conf:

[user104658]

I think this is a pretty exceptional case though. It's been extremely messy and It does seem like alot of people didn't realise how messy it would actually get?

Indeed; the all-too-frequent argument that holding a 2nd referrendum would have wider implications for British democracy / General Elections etc. is false and disingenuous. Most of the people making the claim know perfectly well that a second vote doesn't degrade democracy and would have no such implication... they just like to pretend that they believe it because they personally support the current result as it stands and want it to stick (with little to no regard for what the majority of the population wants now that a clearer picture of Brexit is available).

It's the opposite of supporting democracy. If there's a clear indicator that public desire has shifted before action has commenced, then the ONLY democratic option is another vote. It's not even vaguely similar to a GE. GE's -are- repeated, by default, every 5 years or less.

[user104658]

The British Chambers of Commerce has estimated that the annual cost to the UK of EU regulation is £7.4 billion squid.


If the benefit of being in the single market exceeds £7.4 billion (spoiler: it does) then this figure is utterly irrelevant. Any benefit of leaving is based on the flimsy assumption that we will be able to secure lucrative trade deals that will equal the single market in terms of economic benefit (spoiler: we won't).

[user104658]

It's also nothing like Scotland gaining independence from the UK, as we would have been an independent nation still within the EU single market which makes it an entirely different situation. You know better than to compare Brexit to IndyRef, LT :nono:. It's a lazy and incompatible comparison.

[Livia]

Theresa has to take us out of the EU, if only to get rid of Farage.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If the benefit of being in the single market exceeds £7.4 billion (spoiler: it does) then this figure is utterly irrelevant. Any benefit of leaving is based on the flimsy assumption that we will be able to secure lucrative trade deals that will equal the single market in terms of economic benefit (spoiler: we won't).

stop making things up

if you are saying 7.4 billion quid is irrelevant you need to reread what ever website you just looked up

[reece(:]

It's a scream how a people's vote gets such backlash yet the snap election was brushed over :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's a scream how a people's vote gets such backlash yet the snap election was brushed over :joker:

well that election is part of our democratic process and was done accordingly

re running a referendum because some people did not like to be wrong is not comparable and the fact that it would wield a similar result is the worst kind of masochism

[Twosugars]

the ref was only advisory and the result far too close to decide something that important
Farage himself said before the ref that a close defeat would not close the matter and he was right :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

the ref was only advisory and the result far too close to decide something that important
Farage himself said before the ref that a close defeat would not close the matter and he was right :laugh:

I am sorry but that does not make sense

votes are not abandoned because they are close, its first past the post

The turnout was huge and the result was conclusive. I take it you did not make this point at the last 4 elections in the UK?

[bots]

I am sorry but that does not make sense

votes are not abandoned because they are close, its first past the post

The turnout was huge and the result was conclusive. I take it you did not make this point at the last 4 elections in the UK?

it does make sense in the context that a ref is advisory where an election is legally binding. Farage was prepared to continue the fight and push for a new ref if he lost .... he said exactly that, so why is it such a shock that the side that lost in the ref want it run again?

There is nothing to say that there is a limit on number of refs, no-one stated that the ref wouldnt happen again (only the SNP made that pledge for the indy ref)

[Crimson Dynamo]

it does make sense in the context that a ref is advisory where an election is legally binding. Farage was prepared to continue the fight and push for a new ref if he lost .... he said exactly that, so why is it such a shock that the side that lost in the ref want it run again?

There is nothing to say that there is a limit on number of refs, no-one stated that the ref wouldnt happen again (only the SNP made that pledge for the indy ref)

Sorry what "side" are you referring to - who are they as the the politicians for the two main parties voted to support Brexit

[Withano]

There has been loads of New Polls taken
no one wants a 2nd vote


They just want to get past the date of 29th March 2019 11PM


This is NOTHING like you had in your nation
this is more serious

Wrong. Nice try, fake news.

[user104658]

stop making things up



if you are saying 7.4 billion quid is irrelevant you need to reread what ever website you just looked upA "saving" of 7.4 billion is irrelevant if the changes made to secure that "saving" in themselves cost more than 7.4 billion.

You're a businessman of sorts LT, I have to assume that you know the difference between a gross and net saving? I hope so anyway or the taxman is going to be very annoyed at your next audit :nono:.

[Cherie]

A "saving" of 7.4 billion is irrelevant if the changes made to secure that "saving" in themselves cost more than 7.4 billion.

You're a businessman of sorts LT, I have to assume that you know the difference between a gross and net saving? I hope so anyway or the taxman is going to be very annoyed at your next audit :nono:.

:omgno: LT to publish his tax return?

[Smithy]

well that election is part of our democratic process and was done accordingly

re running a referendum because some people did not like to be wrong is not comparable and the fact that it would wield a similar result is the worst kind of masochism

Well not really, people voted to leave, but they didn’t vote for a hard or soft Brexit or no deal either, if those options were included in the first place there’s have been a different outcome all together, leavers don’t want a people’s vote now because the leave vote would be split and they know they’d lose :shrug:

[Livia]

Has anyone on here ever met anyone who voted to leave the EU, and now wants another referendum?

No, neither have I.

[Braden]

Well, I haven't met Isabel Oakeshott but she said as such on Question Time. Ironically, Nigel Farage even warmed to a second referendum at one point.

Not saying I necessarily agree with a second referendum, but there is certainly demand from some Leave voters to have another say because what they voted for the first time isn't what they expected to happen. Not to mention those like Oakeshott and Farage who want the second referendum because they're confident Leave will win again.

[Mystic Mock]

We should go with a soft Brexit imo.

I'm honestly amazed at how 48.6% I think it was have been ignored by the Tory party and are deliberately aiming for a hard Brexit.

[user104658]

Has anyone on here ever met anyone who voted to leave the EU, and now wants another referendum?

No, neither have I.People don't like to admit that they made a mistake or voted in ignorance but that doesn't mean they wouldn't vote differently in a second referendum when no one can see which box they're ticking.

If you're right then there's no "risk" to leave voters in having a second vote, as the result will stay the same. Its surely that simple. The anger and incredulity about the idea of a second vote suggests, to me, that those who still want Brexit to go ahead think there IS a risk of the vote going differently.

[arista]

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[Kizzy]

all the environment protections, workers rights :laugh:
some "businessmen" here would prefer a return of 19th century capitalism
sad thing is that some working classes have been bamboozled to go along with it, turkeys voting for Christmas :hehe:

Bingo... I made the same points here during the referendum let's see what happens now shall we?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bingo... I made the same points here during the referendum let's see what happens now shall we?

they are not points

they are unsubstantiated subjective conjecture

[Kazanne]

The British Chambers of Commerce has estimated that the annual cost to the UK of EU regulation is £7.4 billion squid.

Its a bit like the scots arguing against London rule

We have out own numpties who can stitch us up politically so why do we need other twats from other countries?

I do know the EU has overturned some of our tariffs for criminals and given some lesser sentences which imo was wrong, so that is one reason people might want out. They have no right dictating how much time our criminals serve.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trump thinks that Boris and Nigel will join forces

[bots]

i don't think anyone would be overly fussed if the EU had remained a common market, the body that we actually joined. The problem is that the EU morphed in to a political organisation insisting on ever tighter integration of member countries. Return it to a common market and ask the people again

[arista]

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[Tom4784]

The only thing the Brexit Party is fighting for is to keep Nigel Farage 'relevant'. His big attempt at becoming a US political pundit failed, living in Trump's arsehole failed and now he's back here rinsing gullible people for their coins.

[Kizzy]

they are not points

they are unsubstantiated subjective conjecture

Well unfortunately that's all anyone has LT. .. from you and I to the folks in the commons, nobody knows jack shiz.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The only thing the Brexit Party is fighting for is to keep Nigel Farage 'relevant'. His big attempt at becoming a US political pundit failed, living in Trump's arsehole failed and now he's back here rinsing gullible people for their coins.

Fake news, unsubstantiated claims

[Kizzy]

Fake news, unsubstantiated claims

It's a fair point, farage is exploiting people...they aren't funding a political 'party'the name of this group needs to be changed. Farage is duping people into funding his limited company.
It's the brexit company, that is true substantiated news sorry.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's a fair point, farage is exploiting people...they aren't funding a political 'party'the name of this group needs to be changed. Farage is duping people into funding his limited company.
It's the brexit company, that is true substantiated news sorry.

No it's your personal opinion

[Kizzy]

No it's your personal opinion

Nope... That's a fact sorry, you may not like it but it doesnt make it any less true. Do a bit of research yourself on your idol...educate yourself.

[Tom4784]

Fake news, unsubstantiated claims

Why are you screeching fake news at an opinion?

[Tom4784]

No it's your personal opinion

It's an opinion spurred on by the facts. Did Nigel Farage, as leader of UKIP who had the time had a good number of seats in Parliament in 2016, stick around after Brexit won? No, he pissed off just like Boris to chase his own goals and left the rest of us in the ****. As soon as he won, he shirked responsibility and took off to America.

Do you deny he quit his role as leader shortly after Brexit? Well good luck if you do because that ****'s a fact. Do you deny he pretty much appeared on Fox News whenever possible and praised Trump at every opportunity? Because he did. Instead of just screeching fake news at things that upset you, why don't you try actually forming a ****ing argument for once as to why an informed opinion is 'fake news'.

Also, you really need to work on being able to tell the difference between opinion and news because this isn't the first time you've been incorrectly branded an opinion as news.

[Niamh.]

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[Ammi]

...:fan:...


....the one good thing about Boris becoming PM..?...the memes....

[user104658]

[emoji21]http://i64.tinypic.com/1zd40ia.jpgAt least Ireland doesn't have its feet shackled to the joker Niamh :fist:

[Ammi]

At least Ireland doesn't have its feet shackled to the joker Niamh :fist:

....and at least you have a chance of another independence referendum....a possible light in the darkness...?...pray for our children in England, TS...

[chuff me dizzy]

My dream is Farage given a role with Boris sorting out Brexit, best 2 men for the job

[user104658]

My dream is Farage given a role with Boris sorting out Brexit, best 2 men for the job

His party currently has zero seats in parliament and there isn't time for a General Election before the end of October, so that would be extremely undemocratic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

His party currently has zero seats in parliament and there isn't time for a General Election before the end of October, so that would be extremely undemocratic.

can you have an undemocratic dream?

[Twosugars]

Emigrating to the independent Scotland :dance:x

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Twosugars]

:dance::D

[arista]

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[arista]

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[GoldHeart]

:yuk::skull:

[arista]

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[bots]

unfortunate name

[arista]

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[arista]

The full list of those announced: The first 50.

· Amber Valley – Anna Louisa Bailey
· Ashfield – Martin Daubney
· Birmingham, Northfield – Owen David Prew
· Bishop Auckland – Nick Brown
· Blackpool South – David Brown
· Bradford South – Kulvinder Singh Manik
· Burnley – Stewart Ian Scott
· Burton – Dale Prime
· Carlisle – Rob Rimmer
· Chesham and Amersham – Steven Kent
· Crewe and Nantwich – Matthew Peter Wood
· Devizes – Daniel Day-Robinson
· Don Valley – Paul Alan Whitehurst
· Doncaster Central – Surjit Singh Duhre
· Dudley North – Rupert James Graham Lowe
· Dudley South – Paul Brothwood
· Dundee West – Stuart Waiton
· Esher and Walton – Axel Robert Thill
· Forest of Dean – Sam Norton
· Great Yarmouth – Adrian Paul Myers
. Harlow – Neil Greaves
· Hartlepool – Ken Hodcroft
· Heywood and Middleton – Colin William Lambert
· Houghton and Sunderland South – Kevin Yuill
· Hyndburn – Gregory Butt
· Leicester East – Jack Collier
· Mansfield – Kate (Kathryn Rita) Allsop
· Montgomeryshire – Oliver Lewis
· Nuneaton – Deeanne Clarke
· Penistone and Stocksbridge – John Charles Booker
· Plymouth, Moor View – Peter Agambar
· Redcar – Jacqueline Cummins
· Redditch – Jordan Lake
· Rother Valley – Allen Cowles
· Scarborough and Whitby – Robert Andersen
· Scunthorpe – Jeremy James Gorman
· Sevenoaks – Paulette Furse
· Sherwood – David Robert Dodds
· Southampton, Itchen – Alexandra Phillips
· Stoke-on-Trent Central – Dr Tariq Mahood
· Stoke-on-Trent North – Daniel Rudd
· Stoke-on-Trent South – Ian Thomas Brassington
· Sunderland Central – Viral Parikh
· Telford – Elaine Catherine Adams
· Thirsk and Malton – Aleshea Westwood
· Torfaen – David Gwyn Thomas
· Wakefield – Robert Bashforth
· Walsall North – Stephen Harry Petty
· Waveney – Robert Rowland
· Wolverhampton South East – Raj Chaggar


https://www.westmonster.com/brexit-party-announce-first-50-general-election-candidates/

[Twosugars]

Thank god, I thought you were going to introduce them all one by one, Arista

[user104658]

Thank god, I thought you were going to introduce them all one by one, Arista

Me too - their faces form a grim tapestry as it is :joker:

[Twosugars]

Me too - their faces form a grim tapestry as it is :joker:

Angry old farts with a sprinkling of assorted xenophobes :joker:

[reece(:]

Thank god, I thought you were going to introduce them all one by one, Arista

Me too - their faces form a grim tapestry as it is :joker:

:joker::joker::joker:

[arista]

Thank god, I thought you were going to introduce them all one by one, Arista


Yes 50 is alot.
Got the long list,


None of this is yet on the main UK news.

[Livia]

Angry old farts with a sprinkling of assorted xenophobes :joker:

Or Boris....

Or an old Soviet anti-Semite.


It's difficult to know where people would place their cross on the ballot paper.

[Twosugars]

Or Boris....

Or an old Soviet anti-Semite.


It's difficult to know where people would place their cross on the ballot paper.

If we're going for epithets then not boris but a lying clown, please

[Twosugars]

Yes 50 is alot.
Got the long list,


None of this is yet on the main UK news.

You spoil us :)

[Alf]

unfortunate nameHe sounds like a right arse licker.

[Tom4784]

Given Nigel Farage's views on the NHS, to support the Brexit Party is to be opposed to the NHS.

Farage would abolish the NHS and have us bankrupt ourselves for medical treatment just like America if he had his chance. He is funded by people who want to see that happen.

[The Slim Reaper]

I know this will come as a massive blow as he's a big hero on here.

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[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErEfduRW8AEmL6o?format=jpg&name=medium

[Scarlett.]

Farage is a prick

[Mystic Mock]

Farage is a prick

No other posts are as factual as this one.