Leavers are more tolerant of opposing views according to YouGov poll

[Northern Monkey]

Brexit: Remainers ‘more bothered’ by differing views in family, poll shows

More than a third of Remainers would be upset if a close relative married a strong Leave supporter and almost two thirds say that all or most of their friends share their stance on Brexit.

Leavers, however, are comparatively more likely to say that they have Remain-supporting friends and are also significantly less likely to be concerned at the prospect of welcoming an EU supporter into their family.

Polling by YouGov for The Times reveals how little the country’s two Brexit tribes interact. For example, only 8 per cent of people say that a majority of their work colleagues voted a different way,

When it comes to welcoming those with opposing Brexit stances into the family, it is Remainers who are markedly more resistant.






https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-remainers-more-bothered-by-differing-views-in-family-poll-shows-h6kh2vrp7

[Toy Soldier]

Surely a lot of that is down to beliefs about the actual implications, though.

For Leavers;

Option 1: "I get what I want"
Option 2: "Everything stays the same as now so whatever"


For remainers:

Option 1: "Everything stays the same as now"
Option 2: "Utter ****ing chaos"

[Tom4784]

I don't really believe it tbh. Considering that the main narrative since the referendum has been 'EVIL REMAINERS LOOKING TO UNDO BREXIT!!!!!' Not saying that the remain side is innocent but there does seem to be a lot more noticeable hate from the Brexit side of things.

[smudgie]

I don’t see anyone who has a different opinion to me as evil, or wrong.
But I do object to MPs who put their personal outlook on Brexit before their constituents.
Our local mp being one of the beggars:fist:

[Mystic Mock]

I don't really believe it tbh. Considering that the main narrative since the referendum has been 'EVIL REMAINERS LOOKING TO UNDO BREXIT!!!!!' Not saying that the remain side is innocent but there does seem to be a lot more noticeable hate from the Brexit side of things.

This.

[Oliver_W]

Ehh, I wouldn't set too much store by this poll, I don't think leavers are inherently more open to opposite views, it's probably as reliable as those that say all leavers are swivel eyed racists.

[Beso]

I don't know of anyone who hates anyone else over this.

[Beso]

I don’t see anyone who has a different opinion to me as evil, or wrong.
But I do object to MPs who put their personal outlook on Brexit before their constituents.
Our local mp being one of the beggars:fist:

I like that.

What we should be having a referendum on his how our political parties are run..

WE should have the final say in a whole heap of decisions..each party should put an idea forward along with a cross party idea then we the public should be online voting which one to go with..not just brexit, but nhs plans, environment plans etc etc.

[Withano]

Makes sense considering the opposing view is like. Good.

[Northern Monkey]

I don't know of anyone who hates anyone else over this.

This for me.

My best mate and family are all remainers wheras i voted leave.
We don’t even talk about Brexit,Just doesn’t come up.

I don’t see all this apparent division there’s supposed to be around the country.

Quite a few of my family and in-laws voted remain.I think we’ve talked about it once and then just not really mentioned it again.

I don’t see people falling out over it.I think people in general are bored of the whole thing.

[Northern Monkey]

Makes sense considering the opposing view is like. Good.

What?

Only good to you if you share that view.

[Smithy]

These the leavers that are threatening to riot if Brexit doesn’t happen? :think:

[armand.kay]

aren't leavers the ones who explain "BREXIT MEANS BREXIT" on every televised forum weather than actually discussing the logistics of it all.

[Alf]

These the leavers that are threatening to riot if Brexit doesn’t happen? :think:I hope so, it would be scary and an act of submission if they did nothing.

[Cherie]

This for me.

My best mate and family are all remainers wheras i voted leave.
We don’t even talk about Brexit,Just doesn’t come up.

I don’t see all this apparent division there’s supposed to be around the country.

Quite a few of my family and in-laws voted remain.I think we’ve talked about it once and then just not really mentioned it again.

I don’t see people falling out over it.I think people in general are bored of the whole thing.

same, we just laugh about it

[Crimson Dynamo]

:hehe:

the fumes

[Cherie]

Leavers will be more tolerant as they are generally older and that generations seems to tolerate more than most :hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Leavers will be more tolerant as they are generally older and that generations seems to tolerate more than most :hee:

yep and less likely to go on to social media to fume to get da likes

:hee:

[Cherie]

These the leavers that are threatening to riot if Brexit doesn’t happen? :think:

do you have a link for that, my understanding is that the government have suggested that might happen and have put the army on standby....not seen any leaver group threatening to riot, and I am a remainer btw

[bots]

Just wondering how tolerance in this case is measured objectively, it seems more like a "feeling" :think:

[armand.kay]

Leavers will be more tolerant as they are generally older and that generations seems to tolerate more than most :hee:

girl I beg to differ

[armand.kay]

the older generation can't even tolerate their favourite juice being discontinued

[Nicky91]

yep and less likely to go on to social media to fume to get da likes

:hee:


*sees Jacob Rees-Mogg, Nigel Farage getting a lot of likes on social media each day*

https://media.giphy.com/media/Ne7aenG4oM1Py/giphy.gif

[Niamh.]

Surely a lot of that is down to beliefs about the actual implications, though.

For Leavers;

Option 1: "I get what I want"
Option 2: "Everything stays the same as now so whatever"


For remainers:

Option 1: "Everything stays the same as now"
Option 2: "Utter ****ing chaos"

Yeah I would have thought that too tbf ^^

[Crimson Dynamo]

girl I beg to differ

the older generation can't even tolerate their favourite juice being discontinued

You should learn to be more tolerant

i expect as you get older this will come more freely to you?

[Oliver_W]

Leavers will be more tolerant as they are generally older and that generations seems to tolerate more than most :hee:

This is more of an American thing but probably applies here too - people on the right are more open to dialogue and discussion, whereas those on the left just shut out any opposing views.

(Obviously this excludes far right nutters)

[Mystic Mock]

I hope so, it would be scary and an act of submission if they did nothing.

You want people to riot just because they wouldn't have got their way on destroying the UK's Economy?

Out of interest what is your stance on Scotland being in the UK? Do you want them to stay or leave?

[Toy Soldier]

This is more of an American thing but probably applies here too - people on the right are more open to dialogue and discussion, whereas those on the left just shut out any opposing views.

(Obviously this excludes far right nutters)

I don't think it matters particularly when neither are open to change in opinion; if you want a firm example of this the "...change my mind" youtube videos are a great one. He discusses well, he articulates well, he listens fairly respectfully and maintains a decent intellectual discourse.

However his ideas are already set in concrete and he is very, very rarely open to "having his mind changed" and therein lies the problem. There's no point in open dialogue and discussion when the end result is the same unwavering dogma at the end of the discussion as at the beginning.

And this is where I don't think it's a political spectrum phenomena or a generational one; it's purely down to age. As we get older, we get better at accepting that we usually aren't going to change people's opinions, and thus, less frustrated when we try and fail, and more open to "agreeing to disagree" and then moving on and compartmentalising the discussion. Which is a good skill to have but it's one that most (vaguely intelligent) people gain with age and experience.

[Mystic Mock]

This is more of an American thing but probably applies here too - people on the right are more open to dialogue and discussion, whereas those on the left just shut out any opposing views.

(Obviously this excludes far right nutters)

Are you a right wing person though? I'm not meaning it to try and cause an argument I'm just gonna say that everyone thinks that their side of the fence in politics is more open to dialogue and discussion when really I've seen both the right and the left be intolerant of debate at one point or another.

And if I'm being honest I do think that YouGov's poll is bogus because just on here alone I see a lot of intolerance from the Brexit (mainly voted for by people on the right wing) be way more stubborn over how to conclude the negotiations with the EU in a satisfactory way, they also do seem to be very happy to ignore nearly half the UK's wishes (who voted for Remain) for a soft Brexit and maybe even take the Norway model. I've also tended to notice that some Brexiters have been very big on the name calling during debates such as “snowflakes” “remoaners” “scroungers” etc etc which isn't really showing signs of a group that's tolerant towards opposing opinions imo.

But going back to my original point, everybody always sees the opposing sides in any kind of topic as stubborn and intolerant, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are.

[Alf]

You want people to riot just because they wouldn't have got their way on destroying the UK's Economy?

Out of interest what is your stance on Scotland being in the UK? Do you want them to stay or leave?We've told the people who's wages we pay, to take us out the EU, if they don't, then they're telling us "your voice and vote means nothing, now pay my wages you peasant scum" I think a riot would be a minimum of what could happen and civil war the maximum.


My opinion when the Scottish referendum was happening was. I'd like the Scots to stay with us, but if they want their independence, then that's up to them.

[Mystic Mock]

We've told the people who's wages we pay, to take us out the EU, if they don't, then they're telling us "your voice and vote means nothing, now pay my wages you peasant scum" I think a riot would be a minimum of what could happen and civil war the maximum.


My opinion when the Scottish referendum was happening was. I'd like the Scots to stay with us, but if they want their independence, then that's up to them.

But do you see how the UK are similar to the EU from Scotland's perspective? We treat EU as if they're the problem to all of our woes, and Scotland treats the UK (mainly England) as the evil entity that doesn't give them enough respect and freedoms.

The UK and the EU do have things in common, yet in this country it's perfectly fine to want to be apart of the UK, but not to be apart of the EU where we have 27 of our neighbouring countries in an alliance with us, it's a strong trade block that we never should be leaving imo.

[The Slim Reaper]

This is more of an American thing but probably applies here too - people on the right are more open to dialogue and discussion, whereas those on the left just shut out any opposing views.

(Obviously this excludes far right nutters)

That's not even remotely true. Democrats have been mocked for years for caving into the crazy demands of the right, even right wing pundits in the age of trump have begged them to grow a backbone.

[Alf]

But do you see how the UK are similar to the EU from Scotland's perspective? We treat EU as if they're the problem to all of our woes, and Scotland treats the UK (mainly England) as the evil entity that doesn't give them enough respect and freedoms.

The UK and the EU do have things in common, yet in this country it's perfectly fine to want to be apart of the UK, but not to be apart of the EU where we have 27 of our neighbouring countries in an alliance with us, it's a strong trade block that we never should be leaving imo.The EU is the Soviet Union in Western clothing. Life will be so much better when we're out, the World will be our oyster, and we'll be free to make our own decisions in it.

If you think our country is in turmoil at the moment, it's nothing compared to what's happening in mainland Europe right now. We're getting out at the right time before the sh!t hits the fan (that's if we do get out)

[The Slim Reaper]

The EU is the Soviet Union in Western clothing. Life will be so much better when we're out, the World will be our oyster, and we'll be free to make our own decisions in it.

If you think our country is in turmoil at the moment, it's nothing compared to what's happening in mainland Europe right now. We're getting out at the right time before the sh!t hits the fan (that's if we do get out)

Ignoring the stunning lack of knowledge about the history of the soviet union, what decisions are you most looking forward to us being able to make that we can't make already?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Ignoring the stunning lack of knowledge about the history of the soviet union, what decisions are you most looking forward to us being able to make that we can't make already?

65 per cent of new British laws are made in Brussels so 65% would be a good answer start?

[Crimson Dynamo]

and we could get our proper suction hoovers back

[The Slim Reaper]

65 per cent of new British laws are made in Brussels so 65% would be a good answer start?

Which decisions? Give examples of what laws you're looking forward to us implementing, that the EU have been holding us back from.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and get back proper lightbulbs and bins

[Nicky91]

The EU is the Soviet Union in Western clothing. Life will be so much better when we're out, the World will be our oyster, and we'll be free to make our own decisions in it.

If you think our country is in turmoil at the moment, it's nothing compared to what's happening in mainland Europe right now. We're getting out at the right time before the sh!t hits the fan (that's if we do get out)

:nono: i don't like to be compared to the Soviet Union


and the ''life will be so much better when we're out'' well you guys were already fools in the eyes of EU and that will remain the same or come over as even bigger fools + many companies leaving UK for europe, so i guess many british people go unemployed bc of brexit now

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lots EU decisions are taken under "qualified majority voting" rules, this is where countries voting weights depend on their size.

That means countries can be outvoted, and forced to accept decisions with which they disagree.

Britain is outvoted more often than any other country. :shocked:

source: da Telegraph

[Livia]

I have a mixture of political persuasions amongst my friends and family and I can't remember ever seriously falling out with anyone about politics. On the forum though... different matter. I've had friends turn into enemies because I disagree with their political stance.

[Livia]

:nono: i don't like to be compared to the Soviet Union


and the ''life will be so much better when we're out'' well you guys were already fools in the eyes of EU and that will remain the same or come over as even bigger fools + many companies leaving UK for europe, so i guess many british people go unemployed bc of brexit now

Quite annoying when a foreign national refers to your countrymen as fools.

[The Slim Reaper]

Lots EU decisions are taken under "qualified majority voting" rules, this is where countries voting weights depend on their size.

That means countries can be outvoted, and forced to accept decisions with which they disagree.

Britain is outvoted more often than any other country. :shocked:

source: da Telegraph

Any specifics on which laws we can implement though?

[Crimson Dynamo]

:nono: i don't like to be compared to the Soviet Union


and the ''life will be so much better when we're out'' well you guys were already fools in the eyes of EU and that will remain the same or come over as even bigger fools + many companies leaving UK for europe, so i guess many british people go unemployed bc of brexit now

So the EU think hard working Brits are fools eh?

I dont think they thought that when they rolled over and got done by the Germans during the war and came running to Britain to sort out the Bosh?

Holland got taken over by 5 germans and a panzer tank :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Any specifics on which laws we can implement though?

i have given you hoovers, bulbs and bins -which I am sure you are relieved about in your dimly lit dusty home?

[Nicky91]

Quite annoying when a foreign national refers to your countrymen as fools.

it's more the part that you guys think of yourselves as an empire while it isn't an empire anymore

am i a proud dutchman myself? NO, my country also has it's flaws in politics


i like UK, but i just wish we could respect each other in a mature way (without the ''EU similar to Soviet Union'' and etc insults)

[Crimson Dynamo]

it's more the part that you guys think of yourselves as an empire while it isn't an empire anymore

show me one scrap of evidence to support that claim?

[Cherie]

i have given you hoovers, bulbs and bins -which I am sure you are relieved about in your dimly lit dusty home?

:omgno:

[Livia]

it's more the part that you guys think of yourselves as an empire while it isn't an empire anymore

am i a proud dutchman myself? NO, my country also has it's flaws in politics


i like UK, but i just wish we could respect each other in a mature way (without the ''EU similar to Soviet Union'' and etc insults)

Nicky don't tell me what I think. It hasn't been an empire for a long, long time. And yes, Holland definitely has its flaws. You also had an empire. Not as big as ours... but it still counts.

No one is going to respect anyone while you're referring to them as fools.

[Cherie]

I thought you wanted to be friend with the UK Nicky, what's changed :bawling:

[The Slim Reaper]

i have given you hoovers, bulbs and bins -which I am sure you are relieved about in your dimly lit dusty home?

If I want to live in EU squalor, I will damn well live in EU squalor :fist:

[Crimson Dynamo]

If I want to live in EU squalor, I will damn well live in EU squalor :fist:

Portugal shade?

[Nicky91]

I thought you wanted to be friend with the UK Nicky, what's changed :bawling:

nothing, i still like UK in terms of showbiz/entertainment (tv, music, movies)


also great tabloids to read dailymail, the sun better than our tabloids honestly


but the EU isn't as bad as some of the brexiteers say it is

[Crimson Dynamo]

nothing, i still like uk in terms of showbiz/entertainment (tv, music, movies)


also great tabloids to read dailymail, the sun better than our tabloids honestly


but the eu isn't as bad as some of the brexiteers say it is

what are say your 3 favourite things about the eu?

[Alf]

Ignoring the stunning lack of knowledge about the history of the soviet union, what decisions are you most looking forward to us being able to make that we can't make already?Being from the fishing city of Hull, I'm looking forward to having control of our fishing waters. Before we joined the EU my city was one of the biggest and best fishing ports in the world and our fishermen were known as weekend millionaires, now they just pick up a giro and our fishing industry is dead.

[Cherie]

still think the over 40s are most tolerant, Niamh just scraping into that bracket last year

[Tom4784]

Leavers will be more tolerant as they are generally older and that generations seems to tolerate more than most :hee:

Except for the gays, women and people who don't happen to be white given how a lot of equal rights have come into effect relatively recently.

[Niamh.]

still think the over 40s are most tolerant, Niamh just scraping into that bracket last year

waaa

[Oliver_W]

I don't think it matters particularly when neither are open to change in opinion; if you want a firm example of this the "...change my mind" youtube videos are a great one. He discusses well, he articulates well, he listens fairly respectfully and maintains a decent intellectual discourse.

However his ideas are already set in concrete and he is very, very rarely open to "having his mind changed" and therein lies the problem.
While I agree Crowder may be set in his ways, it's pretty rare when anyone makes a compelling argument.

Are you a right wing person though? I'm not meaning it to try and cause an argument I'm just gonna say that everyone thinks that their side of the fence in politics is more open to dialogue and discussion when really I've seen both the right and the left be intolerant of debate at one point or another.
I'm "right wing" on things like taxation and spending; I don't think wanting controlled immigration is right wing as it has pros and cons for both sides, especially as in my case it's mostly for keeping the building over green spaces low... I don't have particularly strong views on enough issues to be called right wing, so I just say I "lean right".

That's not even remotely true. Democrats have been mocked for years for caving into the crazy demands of the right, even right wing pundits in the age of trump have begged them to grow a backbone.
Y'mean like how they keep rejecting Trump's compromises?

[Toy Soldier]

I'm "right wing" on things like taxation and spending; I don't think wanting controlled immigration is right wing as it has pros and cons for both sides, especially as in my case it's mostly for keeping the building over green spaces low...

You're surely aware that immigration and the need for population increase are unrelated, though? The level of population increase has to remain steady or the value of the economy will drop. There's no avoiding it. If we cancel all EU immigration and UK birth rates don't increase to compensate then we must allow increased net migration from elsewhere... there's no way around it... and no way around urban sprawl. Certainly not decreased immigration. In fact, migrants are LESS likely to populate low-density suburban residential areas and so arguably... allowing less EU movement could well increase the spread of urban areas into current green land.

[The Slim Reaper]

Y'mean like how they keep rejecting Trump's compromises?

Such as?

The deal to fund the government was agreed in December when both chambers voted for the same bill to fund the government until Feb without any wall funding. Just for emphasis, that was agreed and voted on, Trump said he would sign the bill and his aides were telling people he was moving away from the wall.

Unfortunately, Trump was then criticised by Anne Coulter and Rush Limbaugh for giving up on the wall so he went back on his word to sign it, and decided to take 800,000 people hostage until he got his way.

When the shutdown began, republicans held all 3 legislative branches of government (dems started on 3/1/19).

You don't get to take hostages and claim you're making a compromise. What happens next time Trump wants to do some crazy unnecessary **** and can't get his own way?

In 2013, both parties agreed upon a 46 billion dollar package for border security, including things like targeted barriers, drones, extra staffing etc, but it was the crazy freedom caucus in the republican house that prevented the deal happening.

Trump has been in office for 2 years, and has never kicked up a fuss about the wall (who's gonna pay for it?) before. He's not even making any compromises now, so dems have had nothing really to reject. The supposed daca deal was a sham packed with conservative wet dream policies, it wasn't a serious offer of compromise.

[Oliver_W]

You're surely aware that immigration and the need for population increase are unrelated, though? The level of population increase has to remain steady or the value of the economy will drop. There's no avoiding it. If we cancel all EU immigration and UK birth rates don't increase to compensate then we must allow increased net migration from elsewhere... there's no way around it... and no way around urban sprawl. Certainly not decreased immigration. In fact, migrants are LESS likely to populate low-density suburban residential areas and so arguably... allowing less EU movement could well increase the spread of urban areas into current green land.
No-one (with a brain) says we shouldn't have any immigration. I just think it should be reduced to what we "need".

[Twosugars]

Except for the gays, women and people who don't happen to be white given how a lot of equal rights have come into effect relatively recently.

not just that, anything new really, full stop

[Toy Soldier]

No-one (with a brain) says we shouldn't have any immigration. I just think it should be reduced to what we "need".

That's fair enough but it still won't stop urban development on green land. Cutting it to zero wouldn't stop that.

[Oliver_W]

That's fair enough but it still won't stop urban development on green land. Cutting it to zero wouldn't stop that.

I don't think that no houses should ever be built again, that'd be barmy! But obviously, more people=more houses, so I'd rather it be kept to a minimum.

[Toy Soldier]

I don't think that no houses should ever be built again, that'd be barmy! But obviously, more people=more houses, so I'd rather it be kept to a minimum.

Low skilled migrants aren't living in new-build houses on green land, though, urban sprawl of the middle classes out of cities is. And you specifically mentioned building on green land as reasoning for wanting fewer immigrants.