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Crimson Dynamo
04-02-2019, 03:53 PM
Liam Neeson reveals shocking story of how he walked
the streets with a weapon looking for a 'black b*****d' to kill
after a loved one was raped
The actor, 66, recalled the incident during an interview to promote his new revenge thriller Cold Pursuit
Liam explained: 'There's something primal – God forbid you've ever had a member of your family hurt under criminal conditions'
After learned a loved one was raped, the actor said he walked around with a cosh for a week 'hoping some 'black b******d' would have a go at me about something... so I could kill him'
Liam plays Nels Coxman in Cold Pursuit, a snowplow operator intent on tracking down those he responsible for the death of his son
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During an interview with the Independent to promote his new film Cold Pursuit,
the actor, 66, described how he walked the streets looking for a 'black b*****d' to kill
in a misguided attempt at revenge with a man who fitted the profile of her attacker.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6665897/Liam-Neeson-reveals-walked-streets-weapon-looking-black-b-d-kill.html
id imagine his PR did not sanction that
arista
04-02-2019, 03:55 PM
Typical
Niamh.
04-02-2019, 03:56 PM
Bloody hell Liam :skull:
Crimson Dynamo
04-02-2019, 04:00 PM
You can just see the PR in the corner of the room doing the frantic cut throat signal whilst dancing up and down
:joker:
Oliver_W
04-02-2019, 04:01 PM
Qui Gon would never!
arista
04-02-2019, 04:02 PM
You can just see the PR in the corner of the room doing the frantic cut throat signal whilst dancing up and down
:joker:
Yes but he is killing a Criminal BB
Marsh.
04-02-2019, 04:47 PM
:joker: Silly man.
he has always been a nutter :shrug:
montblanc
04-02-2019, 04:53 PM
that's pretty gross tbh
he has always been a nutter :shrug:It's rare to find someone in Hollywood who's not.
LaLaLand
04-02-2019, 05:30 PM
Can he do accents yet though?
arista
05-02-2019, 07:30 AM
GMBHD itv has spent all morning debating Liam
playing the tape.
Talking to many about him.
arista
05-02-2019, 07:37 AM
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https://news.sky.com/story/liam-neeson-admits-carrying-weapon-hoping-to-kill-after-friend-was-raped-11628121
Such an over reaction from the nation.
user104658
05-02-2019, 09:51 AM
Ehhhh I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand, really ****ing stupid thing to say out loud in public. On the other, I think the backlash is probably more damaging than the statement itself?
It wasn't a brag, it was a (very, very badly worded) way of saying that when he was young and stupid something happened that turned him into a racist and that that was wrong, and stupid, and he realised that and is pointing out that his mindset was completely wrong. Was there any need for him to bring it up? Probably not, and like I said he should have been much more careful with his wording (I think he was wording "his mindset at the time", not how he feels now)...
...However... Why I think the backlash is damaging. Because it's saying "It doesn't matter that you think it's wrong now - the fact that you EVER thought like that means your career is over." And the reason that's a problem is that it is very damaging to getting other people to change their ways. Are "bad people" not much, much less likely to try to do better, if the message is "it doesn't matter what you do now, you will always be judged on who you once were". Making a change is hard and if it feels like you're going to be regarded as "the old you" forever, anyway, then does that not decrease the incentive to change?
People who WERE once racist, or homophobic, or anything else like that but now have a different mindset should be encouraged to share their story... because while it might be uncomfortable, doing so just might spark the idea of change in someone else. The "pretend it never happened, sweep it under the carpet" mindset doesn't benefit anyone.
Niamh.
05-02-2019, 09:58 AM
Ehhhh I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand, really ****ing stupid thing to say out loud in public. On the other, I think the backlash is probably more damaging than the statement itself?
It wasn't a brag, it was a (very, very badly worded) way of saying that when he was young and stupid something happened that turned him into a racist and that that was wrong, and stupid, and he realised that and is pointing out that his mindset was completely wrong. Was there any need for him to bring it up? Probably not, and like I said he should have been much more careful with his wording (I think he was wording "his mindset at the time", not how he feels now)...
...However... Why I think the backlash is damaging. Because it's saying "It doesn't matter that you think it's wrong now - the fact that you EVER thought like that means your career is over." And the reason that's a problem is that it is very damaging to getting other people to change their ways. Are "bad people" not much, much less likely to try to do better, if the message is "it doesn't matter what you do now, you will always be judged on who you once were". Making a change is hard and if it feels like you're going to be regarded as "the old you" forever, anyway, then does that not decrease the incentive to change?
People who WERE once racist, or homophobic, or anything else like that but now have a different mindset should be encouraged to share their story... because while it might be uncomfortable, doing so just might spark the idea of change in someone else. The "pretend it never happened, sweep it under the carpet" mindset doesn't benefit anyone.
Actually I didn't read the full article and you're right.
Shaun
05-02-2019, 10:40 AM
Haven't read the full interview but this just made me cackle.
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Niamh.
05-02-2019, 10:50 AM
:laugh2:
arista
05-02-2019, 10:59 AM
Yes Shaun
The White Swan is Supreme
arista
05-02-2019, 11:02 AM
Sadly Liam is being debated on All TV news and Radio
he needs to make a new Statement /Interview
saying sorry in some way
Crimson Dynamo
05-02-2019, 11:15 AM
I expect he could give 2 fooks about the outrage
smudgie
05-02-2019, 11:25 AM
Ehhhh I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand, really ****ing stupid thing to say out loud in public. On the other, I think the backlash is probably more damaging than the statement itself?
It wasn't a brag, it was a (very, very badly worded) way of saying that when he was young and stupid something happened that turned him into a racist and that that was wrong, and stupid, and he realised that and is pointing out that his mindset was completely wrong. Was there any need for him to bring it up? Probably not, and like I said he should have been much more careful with his wording (I think he was wording "his mindset at the time", not how he feels now)...
...However... Why I think the backlash is damaging. Because it's saying "It doesn't matter that you think it's wrong now - the fact that you EVER thought like that means your career is over." And the reason that's a problem is that it is very damaging to getting other people to change their ways. Are "bad people" not much, much less likely to try to do better, if the message is "it doesn't matter what you do now, you will always be judged on who you once were". Making a change is hard and if it feels like you're going to be regarded as "the old you" forever, anyway, then does that not decrease the incentive to change?
People who WERE once racist, or homophobic, or anything else like that but now have a different mindset should be encouraged to share their story... because while it might be uncomfortable, doing so just might spark the idea of change in someone else. The "pretend it never happened, sweep it under the carpet" mindset doesn't benefit anyone.
Couldn’t agree more TS.
Cherie
05-02-2019, 11:34 AM
Ehhhh I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand, really ****ing stupid thing to say out loud in public. On the other, I think the backlash is probably more damaging than the statement itself?
It wasn't a brag, it was a (very, very badly worded) way of saying that when he was young and stupid something happened that turned him into a racist and that that was wrong, and stupid, and he realised that and is pointing out that his mindset was completely wrong. Was there any need for him to bring it up? Probably not, and like I said he should have been much more careful with his wording (I think he was wording "his mindset at the time", not how he feels now)...
...However... Why I think the backlash is damaging. Because it's saying "It doesn't matter that you think it's wrong now - the fact that you EVER thought like that means your career is over." And the reason that's a problem is that it is very damaging to getting other people to change their ways. Are "bad people" not much, much less likely to try to do better, if the message is "it doesn't matter what you do now, you will always be judged on who you once were". Making a change is hard and if it feels like you're going to be regarded as "the old you" forever, anyway, then does that not decrease the incentive to change?
People who WERE once racist, or homophobic, or anything else like that but now have a different mindset should be encouraged to share their story... because while it might be uncomfortable, doing so just might spark the idea of change in someone else. The "pretend it never happened, sweep it under the carpet" mindset doesn't benefit anyone.
Yes I listened to his actual interview this morning and it is clear that it is something he is very ashamed of, I found it quite and honest admission, and also I think something alot of people if they are honest they can identify with if a family member was raped or murdered as an initial reaction, its a typical current day reaction isn't it....what you can't say that even if you felt it in the past ...
Mystic Mock
05-02-2019, 11:37 AM
If it was years ago and he doesn't feel that way anymore shouldn't he then be given a second chance? Afterall the media and the masses have forgiven rapists and woman beaters so why not someone who was once a racist and clearly in a dark place at the time?
Oliver_W
05-02-2019, 12:15 PM
Ehhhh I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand, really ****ing stupid thing to say out loud in public. On the other, I think the backlash is probably more damaging than the statement itself?
It wasn't a brag, it was a (very, very badly worded) way of saying that when he was young and stupid something happened that turned him into a racist and that that was wrong, and stupid, and he realised that and is pointing out that his mindset was completely wrong. Was there any need for him to bring it up? Probably not, and like I said he should have been much more careful with his wording (I think he was wording "his mindset at the time", not how he feels now)...
...However... Why I think the backlash is damaging. Because it's saying "It doesn't matter that you think it's wrong now - the fact that you EVER thought like that means your career is over." And the reason that's a problem is that it is very damaging to getting other people to change their ways. Are "bad people" not much, much less likely to try to do better, if the message is "it doesn't matter what you do now, you will always be judged on who you once were". Making a change is hard and if it feels like you're going to be regarded as "the old you" forever, anyway, then does that not decrease the incentive to change?
People who WERE once racist, or homophobic, or anything else like that but now have a different mindset should be encouraged to share their story... because while it might be uncomfortable, doing so just might spark the idea of change in someone else. The "pretend it never happened, sweep it under the carpet" mindset doesn't benefit anyone.
Yeah it's like ending someone's career because old tweets were dug up, jsut stupid. How many of the people who are chimping out do you think read beyond the headline or watched the clip?
arista
05-02-2019, 12:20 PM
Yeah it's like ending someone's career because old tweets were dug up, jsut stupid. How many of the people who are chimping out do you think read beyond the headline or watched the clip?
Its not on USA live news yet
but he is 66 years old,
so he has had a long career
made some good movies
It may effect his new movie
which is out on Friday , I think.
Crimson Dynamo
05-02-2019, 12:25 PM
Its not on USA live news yet
but he is 66 years old,
so he has had a long career
made some good movies
It may effect his new movie
which is out on Friday , I think.
well if he gets some bad reviews from any black critics the old cosh could be out of the drawer quicker than you can say Ballymena
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Liam Neeson reveals shocking story of how he walked
the streets with a weapon looking for a 'black b*****d' to kill
after a loved one was raped
The actor, 66, recalled the incident during an interview to promote his new revenge thriller Cold Pursuit
Liam explained: 'There's something primal – God forbid you've ever had a member of your family hurt under criminal conditions'
After learned a loved one was raped, the actor said he walked around with a cosh for a week 'hoping some 'black b******d' would have a go at me about something... so I could kill him'
Liam plays Nels Coxman in Cold Pursuit, a snowplow operator intent on tracking down those he responsible for the death of his son
https://s.hdnux.com/photos/34/07/23/7369983/8/920x920.jpg
During an interview with the Independent to promote his new film Cold Pursuit,
the actor, 66, described how he walked the streets looking for a 'black b*****d' to kill
in a misguided attempt at revenge with a man who fitted the profile of her attacker.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6665897/Liam-Neeson-reveals-walked-streets-weapon-looking-black-b-d-kill.html
id imagine his PR did not sanction that
Looks like its him who should be sanctioned ... first for having those thoughts and secondly for going public with his thoughts
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https://news.sky.com/story/liam-neeson-admits-carrying-weapon-hoping-to-kill-after-friend-was-raped-11628121
He'd have been better off trying to track down the actual rapist ?!?!
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If it was years ago and he doesn't feel that way anymore shouldn't he then be given a second chance? Afterall the media and the masses have forgiven rapists and woman beaters so why not someone who was once a racist and clearly in a dark place at the time?
Who was a rapist ?
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arista
05-02-2019, 12:38 PM
"He'd have been better off trying to track down the actual rapist ?!?!"
A job for Police
not him.
Strictly Jake
05-02-2019, 12:39 PM
Loose women are now talking about it Saira is going well mad about it
Mystic Mock
05-02-2019, 12:50 PM
Who was a rapist ?
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Well he has technically been counted as innocent nowadays thanks to his very rich father-in-law imo, but he plays for Fleetwood Town.
Ramsay
05-02-2019, 12:55 PM
Not a huge deal
Cherie
05-02-2019, 12:56 PM
Who was a rapist ?
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The man who raped his family member?
Shaun
05-02-2019, 01:00 PM
CBB legend John Barnes bossing Sky News :clap1:
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arista
05-02-2019, 01:02 PM
Shaun
John is Potty
Digging up Churchill ,
is not needed on this topic.
Be Fair
GiRTh
05-02-2019, 01:05 PM
Shaun
John is Potty
Digging up Churchill ,
is not needed on this topic.
Be FairHe was defending Liam Neeson.
Crimson Dynamo
05-02-2019, 01:10 PM
Not a huge deal
what if Nigel Farage had said it?
GoldHeart
05-02-2019, 01:21 PM
What a mess and a huge backlash! :facepalm: , Neeson's brutal honesty of regrets will probably make alot of people see him differently now .
When you see it in headlines it's shocking but we know he doesn't have those feelings now but we can't condone what he said , i'm in 2 minds about this . I think it's wrong and stupid what he said . But on the other hand he was talking about a traumatic thing that happened to someone he cared about . And from what i hear Neeson is very troubled from life experiences.
I don't understand the mentality though of wanting to hunt down anyone of that race just because the person who attacked your loved one is the same colour :crazy: . i just don't know how i feel about that , it's really disturbed.
Its ridiculous to try and boycott his movies though as where do we stand on other Hollywood actors who have said or done stupid offensive things??.
And There's alot !! . Mel Gibson is known for his ignorant stupidity and unstable behaviour . Bet people still enjoy his movies .
Crimson Dynamo
05-02-2019, 01:26 PM
Well I for one will not be going to see any more John Barnes movies after that attack on Sir Winston
:oh:
Tom4784
05-02-2019, 01:36 PM
Ehhhh I'm in two minds about this. On the one hand, really ****ing stupid thing to say out loud in public. On the other, I think the backlash is probably more damaging than the statement itself?
It wasn't a brag, it was a (very, very badly worded) way of saying that when he was young and stupid something happened that turned him into a racist and that that was wrong, and stupid, and he realised that and is pointing out that his mindset was completely wrong. Was there any need for him to bring it up? Probably not, and like I said he should have been much more careful with his wording (I think he was wording "his mindset at the time", not how he feels now)...
...However... Why I think the backlash is damaging. Because it's saying "It doesn't matter that you think it's wrong now - the fact that you EVER thought like that means your career is over." And the reason that's a problem is that it is very damaging to getting other people to change their ways. Are "bad people" not much, much less likely to try to do better, if the message is "it doesn't matter what you do now, you will always be judged on who you once were". Making a change is hard and if it feels like you're going to be regarded as "the old you" forever, anyway, then does that not decrease the incentive to change?
People who WERE once racist, or homophobic, or anything else like that but now have a different mindset should be encouraged to share their story... because while it might be uncomfortable, doing so just might spark the idea of change in someone else. The "pretend it never happened, sweep it under the carpet" mindset doesn't benefit anyone.
One of the most damaging things to progress in today's world is the inability to forgive and let people learn from their mistakes. Some people will always be hateful but a lot of people are just ignorant in the moment and can learn from their mistakes but when people go on the attack against them, it hardens them, it makes them a martyr.
There's a time for anger and a time for empathy, if we are ever to truly change things we must seek to help people understand rather than alienate them and cut off their potential to ever learn.
When I first saw the headline and the initial story I was like 'jesus ****ing christ, how to sink your career in a few words right there'. But after reading the full story, I think it's important that he spoke about it and show that people can change and that they can learn.
I do feel that the reason why the world is currently in a period of electing Trumps and Bolsoneros, why the extreme right is on the rise, is because I think people have become more concerned with attacking rather than empathy, some people deserve to be alienated but most have the capacity to learn and do better. I think the left has often created sympathetic right wing figures through the cancel culture and have impeded progress through their own extreme actions.
arista
05-02-2019, 01:38 PM
He was defending Liam Neeson.
Yes he did
Thank you for the update
Northern Monkey
05-02-2019, 02:13 PM
Exactly what TS and Dezzy said.
If people aren’t ever given the opportunity to be forgiven for their past mistakes after they’ve fundamentally changed their outlook then it diminishes the incentive for change.It also diminishes the incentive for people to talk openly and honestly about the experiences in their life.
Then we end up with a bland homogeneous society of everyone lying their way to being seen as the bastion of the perfect human.When they could be influencing other people to change their ways too.
Not to mention nobody knows how they would react to a loved one being raped unless it’s happened to them.Grief hits people in different ways.
I do think though that their are some heinous crimes that are unforgivable.
arista
05-02-2019, 02:59 PM
He went onto Good Morning America
at least , saying he was not a Racist
and was relaxed
arista
05-02-2019, 03:45 PM
A clip from Good Morning America
https://news.sky.com/story/liam-neeson-i-admit-how-i-felt-but-i-am-not-racist-11628872
He says he said it around 40 years ago.
Also a poll
https://e3.365dm.com/19/02/768x432/skynews-liam-neeson-liam-neeson-poll_4568977.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190205163222
user104658
05-02-2019, 06:44 PM
It's a mess because I can actually understand what he's trying to get at, but I know a lot of people just won't because he's going about it in a really weird / muddled way :umm2:.
I'm surprised he didn't find one.
Kazanne
05-02-2019, 07:16 PM
Loose women are now talking about it Saira is going well mad about it
Well she would,she gets butt hurt over everything,she has morals don't you know, sick of hearing her whining on tbh .
Crimson Dynamo
05-02-2019, 07:24 PM
I'm surprised he didn't find one.
i know right
it actually sounds like a total BS story
he probably went out one night and thought about it
40 years later he has embellished it like one of his crap films
user104658
05-02-2019, 08:09 PM
I'm surprised he didn't find one.Well, he didnt say that he was just looking to attack people at random, he was trying to antagonise people and get them to pick a fight. Its not that surprising that most people probably just ignored him. That's the best thing to do when someone is obviously looking for a fight :shrug:.
Well, he didnt say that he was just looking to attack people at random, he was trying to antagonise people and get them to pick a fight. Its not that surprising that most people probably just ignored him. That's the best thing to do when someone is obviously looking for a fight :shrug:.
Sorry to be so blunt but he could have just walked up to someone and used the n word.:shrug:
i know right
it actually sounds like a total BS story
he probably went out one night and thought about it
40 years later he has embellished it like one of his crap films
Sounds like early dementia to me..He probably read a script 3 weeks ago
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arista
06-02-2019, 12:44 AM
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No New Film Red Carpet
https://news.sky.com/story/liam-neesons-new-york-film-premiere-cancelled-amid-racism-row-11629186
Marsh.
06-02-2019, 12:45 AM
"Defends desire to kill"
Dear god, people need to get over it.
arista
06-02-2019, 12:50 AM
"Defends desire to kill"
Dear god, people need to get over it.
It was 40 years ago.
Marsh.
06-02-2019, 12:55 AM
It was 40 years ago.
Exactly.
armand.kay
06-02-2019, 04:49 AM
What a mess... did he expect a pat on the back for resisting his urges and no murdering a black man??? Also this is even more of a hoot when you think about how he referred to the me too movement as a witch hunt.
user104658
06-02-2019, 07:14 AM
The Star's headline yesterday though. It was something like "LIAM NEESON IN RACIST MURDER PLOT".
I mean... I guess? But so misleading :umm2:
GoldHeart
06-02-2019, 07:46 AM
Sorry to be so blunt but he could have just walked up to someone and used the n word.:shrug:
I don't believe Neeson is really racist, how do you even know he would use the N word .
I think he just put himself in certain areas with predominantly black people & in the wrong places hoping someone would have an altercation with him ,because it would give him a reason to lash out in his mind ,like some messed up revenge .
We know he can't blame every black person for something traumatic and it was disturbing the thought of him roaming the streets . But he was clearly having a breakdown by sounds of it . He also made it clear that the guy who hurt his friend could of been of any race ,any description and he would of gone for that particular looking person.
It was also 40 years ago , and it's given himself a lot of time to change & regret it .
Even 40 years ago, it wasn't the norm for people to go out on the streets determined to take out some twisted form of revenge, so i'm afraid this notion that as it was 40 years ago so that's ok then is plain ridiculous.
It says a lot about his character if that was his reaction at the time, and it shouldn't be excused so lightly.
GoldHeart
06-02-2019, 08:41 AM
Even 40 years ago, it wasn't the norm for people to go out on the streets determined to take out some twisted form of revenge, so i'm afraid this notion that as it was 40 years ago so that's ok then is plain ridiculous.
It says a lot about his character if that was his reaction at the time, and it shouldn't be excused so lightly.
I wasn't using the notion of "ohh it was 40 years ago so it doesn't matter" :facepalm: . I already said it's disturbing but there's more to the story when you listen to him .
Neeson was surrounded by violence growing up ,it mentally scarred him .
Even 40 years ago, it wasn't the norm for people to go out on the streets determined to take out some twisted form of revenge, so i'm afraid this notion that as it was 40 years ago so that's ok then is plain ridiculous.
It says a lot about his character if that was his reaction at the time, and it shouldn't be excused so lightly.You can find thoughts of people wanting White people dead, on social media, most days in the present and nobody bat's an eyelid.
The only thing Neeson is guilty of is a thought crime. The response to this makes it look like we're living in 1984.
armand.kay
06-02-2019, 08:48 AM
I listened to the interview and tbh it doesn't make me feel any better about him. Like the entire time he was talking about how it was a "primal urge" and not him just being a racist ass hole in that moment. Like the whole thing seemed to be more him talking about revenge and the disturbing racist logic was kinda swept over. I don't know if he's still a racist now and tbh I don't really care because its not like I ever was a fan of him.
I wasn't using the notion of "ohh it was 40 years ago so it doesn't matter" :facepalm: . I already said it's disturbing but there's more to the story when you listen to him .
Neeson was surrounded by violence growing up ,it mentally scarred him .
Maybe he's not such a good 'actor' after all ;)
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user104658
06-02-2019, 09:20 AM
Even 40 years ago, it wasn't the norm for people to go out on the streets determined to take out some twisted form of revenge, so i'm afraid this notion that as it was 40 years ago so that's ok then is plain ridiculous.
Well... I mean... context IS important and 40 years ago in Northern Ireland there WERE a hell of a lot of people on the streets "seeking a twisted form of revenge". Either way I don't think anyone is excusing it or saying it's normal, really the point of saying that it was 40 years ago is that a lot can change (for an individual, and in society) in 40 years so assessing his current opinions based on things from 4 decades ago is pointless.
That said, he doesn't seem entirely... hinged... in his recent interviews.
I certainly don't think he's a racist, but he clearly has some lifelong internal turmoil and volatility.
Niamh.
06-02-2019, 10:17 AM
I listened to the interview and tbh it doesn't make me feel any better about him. Like the entire time he was talking about how it was a "primal urge" and not him just being a racist ass hole in that moment. Like the whole thing seemed to be more him talking about revenge and the disturbing racist logic was kinda swept over. I don't know if he's still a racist now and tbh I don't really care because its not like I ever was a fan of him.
Yeah that's a good point. If he'd have said I went out looking for a man instead of a black man specifically then maybe the "primal urge" bit might be more appropriate (?)but I think if you're going to make a statement like he did (and I do see where TS is coming from aswell when he said it's better to discuss stuff like this if we want to change anything) then he should really have addressed the race issue more.
Withano
06-02-2019, 10:30 AM
We’re not racist but Yes Shaun
The White Swan is Supreme
And this concludes UKIP’s political broadcast
Livia
06-02-2019, 12:49 PM
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Gstar
06-02-2019, 02:34 PM
Wow
armand.kay
06-02-2019, 03:03 PM
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Nobody has called for his arrest. Yeah you should be free to think whatever but if you share your thoughts with everyone expect a reaction. That reaction doesn't always have to be good.
armand.kay
06-02-2019, 03:05 PM
also this situation is more than just "thoughts" like he was roaming the streets for a week with the intent to kill a random black man. in his most recent GMA interview he reaffirmed that he would've gone through with it had he got the chance.
arista
06-02-2019, 03:10 PM
also this situation is more than just "thoughts" like he was roaming the streets for a week with the intent to kill a random black man. in his most recent GMA interview he reaffirmed that he would've gone through with it had he got the chance.
Yes back in 1979, though.
Niamh.
06-02-2019, 03:13 PM
also this situation is more than just "thoughts" like he was roaming the streets for a week with the intent to kill a random black man. in his most recent GMA interview he reaffirmed that he would've gone through with it had he got the chance.
Yes back in 1979, though.
Doesn't matter what year it was though, he still said he was actively looking for a black man to kill, any black man and he said that in 2019, he's bound to have expected some sort of backlash about it and if he didn't he really should have seeing as though he's been in the public eye for such a longtime
armand.kay
06-02-2019, 03:21 PM
Doesn't matter what year it was though, he still said he was actively looking for a black man to kill, any black man and he said that in 2019, he's bound to have expected some sort of backlash about it and if he didn't he really should have seeing as though he's been in the public eye for such a longtime
Right literally nobody asked him for this. Even the woman who interviewed him was not expecting the interview to take this turn. Like I said before in his interview he was giving an example of how he's sought out revenge in the past and framed the story in a way that made out that his problem was just him being angry and irrational as opposed to him being a literal racist.
Niamh.
06-02-2019, 03:36 PM
Right literally nobody asked him for this. Even the woman who interviewed him was not expecting the interview to take this turn. Like I said before in his interview he was giving an example of how he's sought out revenge in the past and framed the story in a way that made out that his problem was just him being angry and irrational as opposed to him being a literal racist.
Yeah exactly
Livia
07-02-2019, 10:12 AM
I think Whoopie, a long-time friend of Neeson, has got a good handle on this. She's not got caught up on the awful knee-jerk reaction that a lot of people have and bless her for being a voice of reason amongst the hysteria.
https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/whoopi-goldberg-defends-liam-neeson-amid-race-row-he-isnt-a-bigot-a4059541.html
user104658
07-02-2019, 10:34 AM
Honestly I think there's a real problem at the moment. No one wants to talk about the grim realities of human psychology, the dualities of it, the contradictory opinions and internal struggle that everyone has just within their own mind let alone expanded outwards. No one seems to have any interest in the nuanced complexities of human existence... no one is interested in whether a person can be a bad person and get better. No one will even consider the uncomfortable notion that some people - I would hazard to say, MOST people - are "a good person" and "a bad person" all at the same time. Even most of the worst people.
The idea of morality has become polarised in society and yet absolute in the individual... and it's not working at all. "He said a thing! He is bad man! End!". But when it comes right down to it... everyone has at least one thing that would end up with them being lumped into that same category by a good percentage of people :shrug:.
If someone is trying to be a little more considerate and thoughtful today than they were yesterday, I think that's all that really matters when it comes down to it.
/ ramble.
Niamh.
07-02-2019, 10:39 AM
I mean I agree with you to a point TS but I absolutely agree with Armand too that when Liam was defending himself in the 2nd interview it seemed like he was almost not realising the part that was the worst of it? But yeah conversation about it shouldn't be shut down at all
Livia
07-02-2019, 11:14 AM
Honestly I think there's a real problem at the moment. No one wants to talk about the grim realities of human psychology, the dualities of it, the contradictory opinions and internal struggle that everyone has just within their own mind let alone expanded outwards. No one seems to have any interest in the nuanced complexities of human existence... no one is interested in whether a person can be a bad person and get better. No one will even consider the uncomfortable notion that some people - I would hazard to say, MOST people - are "a good person" and "a bad person" all at the same time. Even most of the worst people.
The idea of morality has become polarised in society and yet absolute in the individual... and it's not working at all. "He said a thing! He is bad man! End!". But when it comes right down to it... everyone has at least one thing that would end up with them being lumped into that same category by a good percentage of people :shrug:.
If someone is trying to be a little more considerate and thoughtful today than they were yesterday, I think that's all that really matters when it comes down to it.
/ ramble.
Sentence of the thread for me.
user104658
07-02-2019, 11:25 AM
I mean I agree with you to a point TS but I absolutely agree with Armand too that when Liam was defending himself in the 2nd interview it seemed like he was almost not realising the part that was the worst of it? But yeah conversation about it shouldn't be shut down at all
It wasn't really a thought through argument, my mind is flying all over the place this morning :joker:... but I was more thinking of people's reactions than what he has actually said. I don't think he's handled it well but I suppose, almost the same way, he seems to have been rambling and just letting thoughts fly in these interviews for some reason...
I guess I just think there's a sort of overall idea that goes around (especially when it comes to the online world, talking about celebrities and things like that) where people have started to act as though there isn't darkness in every single person, and there's so much judgement, with so much "omg how could this person say / think this awful thing" when every person saying that knows that they have thought awful things. I dunno. Like I said, rambling :umm2:. I guess my thoughts on this will become something coherent at some point??
Niamh.
07-02-2019, 11:33 AM
It wasn't really a thought through argument, my mind is flying all over the place this morning :joker:... but I was more thinking of people's reactions than what he has actually said. I don't think he's handled it well but I suppose, almost the same way, he seems to have been rambling and just letting thoughts fly in these interviews for some reason...
I guess I just think there's a sort of overall idea that goes around (especially when it comes to the online world, talking about celebrities and things like that) where people have started to act as though there isn't darkness in every single person, and there's so much judgement, with so much "omg how could this person say / think this awful thing" when every person saying that knows that they have thought awful things. I dunno. Like I said, rambling :umm2:. I guess my thoughts on this will become something coherent at some point??
:laugh: No I get what you're saying. Not to sound too much like an oldie but I do think social media has an awful lot to do with that and with how we present ourselves has taken over how people really are? Like everything is a front? Opinions people have maybe a bit preachy and not exactly how we live our lives but rather how we'd like other people to think we do? On FB we only put out the photos and information we want people to know about us etc People are becoming less real almost :think:
Honestly I think there's a real problem at the moment. No one wants to talk about the grim realities of human psychology, the dualities of it, the contradictory opinions and internal struggle that everyone has just within their own mind let alone expanded outwards. No one seems to have any interest in the nuanced complexities of human existence... no one is interested in whether a person can be a bad person and get better. No one will even consider the uncomfortable notion that some people - I would hazard to say, MOST people - are "a good person" and "a bad person" all at the same time. Even most of the worst people.
The idea of morality has become polarised in society and yet absolute in the individual... and it's not working at all. "He said a thing! He is bad man! End!". But when it comes right down to it... everyone has at least one thing that would end up with them being lumped into that same category by a good percentage of people :shrug:.
If someone is trying to be a little more considerate and thoughtful today than they were yesterday, I think that's all that really matters when it comes down to it.
/ ramble.
Can't say i agree with that, because at the end of the day its just more words/thoughts. If someone goes out looking to kill someone and then a few years later says, of course I'm a much better person now, i couldn't possibly do that .... where is the proof
Edit: If i said that a few years ago I went out looking to drink the blood of young virgins .... but that was years ago .... I wouldn't do it now .... would I be considered as having become a better person? :laugh:
Livia
07-02-2019, 11:55 AM
I'm so glad it's only really people in show business that get this "thought crime" treatment. Saying that things you've done in the past are just as relevant as stuff you do now you're older and wiser... well, that means that no one is ever going to be rehabilitated, that there is no hope for people who committed actual crimes when they were younger and that you're damned for all time.
And while some people are absolutely outraged about this, people are actually dying through war and through want. I hope when we get over this non-event, some more thought will be put into stuff that's actually happened and not just something someone said or felt in the past.
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