Man sleeps with 12 year old believing she is 19

[Daniel.]

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He didnt know her age, is this fair?

[Morgan.]

It’s a tough one. He didn’t know obviously, but 12 year olds and 19 year olds can have lots of differences and he probably could’ve done more checks. But she should be having consequences too - she knew what she was doing.

[Livia]

He broke the law, ignorance is no excuse. However, surely the mother must have wondered where her 12 year old child was? She would have known that she was registered on a dating site, because who lets their 12 year old free on the Internet? Maybe social services should be involved, if they're not already.

[Niamh.]

It’s a tough one. He didn’t know obviously, but 12 year olds and 19 year olds can have lots of differences and he probably could’ve done more checks. But she should be having consequences too - she knew what she was doing.

The 12 year old should have consequences? The child you mean, know what she was doing with all her vast experiences? Lock her up maybe? For what exactly?

Anyway ontopic, it's a tough one, if he genuinely believed she was older but I can't see how a 12 year old could look 18 (which tbf if you're meeting people through an app like that you should really make sure if they look borderline) Also sending naked photos of her to his friends, grim

[Niamh.]

He broke the law, ignorance is no excuse. However, surely the mother must have wondered where her 12 year old child was? She would have known that she was registered on a dating site, because who lets their 12 year old free on the Internet? Maybe social services should be involved, if they're not already.

It says in the article :

The girl, who is known to regularly go missing from home,

[Liam-]

I’m of the belief that anyone underage that lies about their age to sleep with someone should face consequences, it can ruin people’s lives, especially if they have fake id’s to get into clubs and stuff, cause if you meet someone in a club and they’re drinking you’re bound to assume that they’re above 18.

However, in this case, I refuse to believe that you wouldn’t know that someone was 12 years old :joker:

[Morgan.]

The 12 year old should have consequences? The child you mean, know what she was doing with all her vast experiences? Lock her up maybe? For what exactly?

Anyway ontopic, it's a tough one, if her genuinely believed she was older but I can't see how a 12 year old could look 18 (which tbf if you're meeting people through an app like that you should really make sure if they look borderline) Also sending naked photos of her to his friends, grim

You don’t set up a dating profile posing as someone older, meet up with a guy and have sex for an after homework activity exactly though.

I’m not saying lock her up - but she’s not innocent in this.

[Niamh.]

I’m of the belief that anyone underage that lies about their age to sleep with someone should face consequences, it can ruin people’s lives, especially if they have fake id’s to get into clubs and stuff, cause if you meet someone in a club and they’re drinking you’re bound to assume that they’re above 18.

However, in this case, I refuse to believe that you wouldn’t know that someone was 12 years old :joker:

At 12 though, they're only kids, 12 is too young to say they should "know what they're doing" etc If a 12 year old is doing this kind of stuff, they have issues that need dealing with, maybe a bad up bringing or mental health issues imo

[Niamh.]

You don’t set up a dating profile posing as someone older, meet up with a guy and have sex for an after homework activity exactly though.

I’m not saying lock her up - but she’s not innocent in this.

She's a kid ffs If the age of consent is 17 (or 16 in the UK?) why is that? Is it because people under that age are deemed to not be old enough mentally or emotionally (and physically)? yet you think they should be old enough to be punished for some sort of sexual entrapment? If that's the case why have age limits on anything at all?

[Liam-]

At 12 though, they're only kids, 12 is too young to say they should "know what they're doing" etc If a 12 year old is doing this kind of stuff, they have issues that need dealing with, maybe a bad up bringing or mental health issues imo

Oh no, I agree with you on this case, I don’t see how it’s possible for anyone to think a 12 year old looks 19, I was taking about in general

[Livia]

It says in the article :

The girl, who is known to regularly go missing from home,

Then Social Services are involved. Someone's let this kid down, not just the man who slept with her.

[Niamh.]

Then Social Services are involved. Someone's let this kid down, not just the man who slept with her.

Yes definitely

[Morgan.]

She's a kid ffs If the age of consent is 17 (or 16 in the UK?) why is that? Is it because people under that age are deemed to not be old enough mentally or emotionally (and physically)? yet you think they should be old enough to be punished for some sort of sexual entrapment? If that's the case why have age limits on anything at all?

And the age of criminal responsibility is 12, therefore she’s old enough to know what she did was wrong.

I’m not saying he’s any less in the wrong but she is partly responsible.

[Niamh.]

And the age of criminal responsibility is 12, therefore she’s old enough to know what she did was wrong.

I’m not saying he’s any less in the wrong but she is partly responsible.

grim

[Livia]

And the age of criminal responsibility is 12, therefore she’s old enough to know what she did was wrong.

I’m not saying he’s any less in the wrong but she is partly responsible.

Whether or not she knew what she was doing, if you have intercourse with a person under the age of 16, it is statutory rape whether or not the girl consents. She cannot legally give her consent because she's underage.

[Denver]

She shouldn't be allowed to ruin people's lives because she is only 12

[Niamh.]

Whether or not she knew what she was doing, if you have intercourse with a person under the age of 16, it is statutory rape whether or not the girl consents. She cannot legally give her consent because she's underage.

Exactly. If she is also punished it makes the whole statuary rape law redundant really.

[Niamh.]

She shouldn't be allowed to ruin people's lives because she is only 12

:skull:

[Livia]

She shouldn't be allowed to ruin people's lives because she is only 12

She didn't ruin anyone's life. She is underage.

[Morgan.]

Exactly. If she is also punished it makes the whole statuary rape law redundant really.

How so? He’s still being punished for his actions but she’s catfished him and posed as someone she isn’t to have sex - that’s messed up.

[bots]

people generally know a persons age in relation to their own friends. I don't believe for a second that a 27 year old man thought she was anything other than too young. He may not have known her specific age, but he would have known something wasn't right. I consider that taking advantage.

[Amy Jade]

I feel a bit sorry for him because she did lie to him but he was stupid to believe a 12 year old looked 19.

It's a tough situation.

[Alf]

It comes down to self control. Sleeping with someone should be a big step, and you should really know a bit about the person, instead of diving in blindfolded.

We're all responsible for our own actions, think your decisions through, be smart and be disciplined.

[Livia]

How so? He’s still being punished for his actions but she’s catfished him and posed as someone she isn’t to have sex - that’s messed up.

She. Is. Underage.

And you know, I've got a niece who's 14, she's very mature for her age, but when I spend time with her it's obvious she's only 14. I find it hard to believe this man at 27 didn't smell a rat.

[Jordan.]

He sounds like trash just for taking photos of her to send to his friend bragging. ELECTRIC CHAIR.

[Mokka]

It comes down to self control. Sleeping with someone should be a big step, and you should really know a bit about the person, instead of diving in blindfolded.

We're all responsible for our own actions, think your decisions through, be smart and be disciplined.

I agree with this.

[Eddie.]

I really don't know who's at fault here?

The girl is old enough to know what she was getting herself into.

The man really thought she was 19, and I don't blame him cause some pre-teen girls these days look much more older and mature. Though he could have realised something was off right?

Regardless I don't think he should have been charged of rape...

[Livia]

people generally know a persons age in relation to their own friends. I don't believe for a second that a 27 year old man thought she was anything other than too young. He may not have known her specific age, but he would have known something wasn't right. I consider that taking advantage.

Didn't see this when I said the same thing virtually... we're like, communicating mentally or sumink.

[Morgan.]

I really don't know who's at fault here?

The girl is old enough to know what she was getting herself into.

The man really thought she was 19, and I don't blame him cause some pre-teen girls these days look much more older and mature. Though he could have realised something was off right?

Regardless I don't think he should have been charged of rape...

Agree 100% with the bolded.

But It is rape, she’s underage regardless of lying or not

[Morgan.]

She. Is. Underage.

And you know, I've got a niece who's 14, she's very mature for her age, but when I spend time with her it's obvious she's only 14. I find it hard to believe this man at 27 didn't smell a rat.

I. Know. That.

She’s still not innocent - let’s just allow her to do the same thing to another guy and continue pretending he’s the only one at fault.

[Beso]

And the age of criminal responsibility is 12, therefore she’s old enough to know what she did was wrong.

I’m not saying he’s any less in the wrong but she is partly responsible.

She didnt do anything wrong by law so she has nothing to supposedly feel guilty about...this sick man however...well..I went go there his life is obviously sad and devoid of any love.

[Livia]

I really don't know who's at fault here?

The girl is old enough to know what she was getting herself into.

The man really thought she was 19, and I don't blame him cause some pre-teen girls these days look much more older and mature. Though he could have realised something was off right?

Regardless I don't think he should have been charged of rape...

I'm going to type this slowly... because maybe people are reading this too fast and not getting it.

The man is at fault. The girl is FOUR YEARS under the age of sexual consent. His pleading ignorance is no defence.

He was charged with rape because if you have sex with an underage person it is statutory rape... because they aren't able to give their consent because they aren't old enough.

[Tom4784]

It's down to him to make sure she was telling the truth about her age, I think as a general rule of thumb, if you're dating someone who says they are 18 or 19, you need to verify it before it goes further although I think it's a bit gross to date a teenager if you aren't in the same age bracket anyway.

I don't think she should face consequences for her part in it but I do think in cases like this, if it can be proven that the adult was misled then there probably should be some sort of leniency when it comes to sentencing.

That being said, I have little sympathy for the man in this case, sharing someone else's nudes with your friends is gross and even more so in this situation. He seems like a pig.

[Livia]

I. Know. That.

She’s still not innocent - let’s just allow her to do the same thing to another guy and continue pretending he’s the only one at fault.

I can assure you that in English law, she is blameless.

I'm not arguing. I'm telling you. Statutory rape. Whether you know her age or not.

[Amy Jade]

They should ban her from the internet or have it monitored.

This is a bit sensitive but when I was ill a few years back my mum found out I had been using a pro-ana message board and she got me help and monitored my internet usage.

[Livia]

They should ban her from the internet or have it monitored.

This is a bit sensitive but when I was ill a few years back my mum found out I had been using a pro-ana message board and she got me help and monitored my internet usage.

They definitely should. Adults have to be responsible with kids and the Internet, as your Mum clearly was. If only all young people had at least one decent parent, if only the children's homes were empty, eh?

[caprimint]

Why on earth would he think that she's not 19 if she says she is??? That's not his problem it's hers

There is no way that this was his fault at all, he did what he'd do with a 19yr old, it doesn't sound like he did anything 'dodgy' here, it was her actions and I also do not believe that she 'didn't know what she was doing', ****ing hell being on a dating site like that saying she's 19, having sex... this girl has experience. He shouldn't go to prison (obviously), she's a little bitch

[caprimint]

Agree 100% with the bolded.

But It is rape, she’s underage regardless of lying or not
'Rape' is forcing someone to have sex which he didn't do, it doesn't matter if she's underage or not

[bots]

'Rape' is forcing someone to have sex which he didn't do, it doesn't matter if she's underage or not

that's not the law

[arista]

He made the error

[Livia]

'Rape' is forcing someone to have sex which he didn't do, it doesn't matter if she's underage or not

[Statutory] Rape is having sex with a child who is too young to consent.

12 is four years too young to consent.

It matters very much whether she's underage. In the eyes of the law she is a child.

[Tom4784]

Rape is also having sex with someone who can't give consent. A minor is not legally able to consent to sex.

[caprimint]

It's down to him to make sure she was telling the truth about her age, I think as a general rule of thumb, if you're dating someone who says they are 18 or 19, you need to verify it before it goes further although I think it's a bit gross to date a teenager if you aren't in the same age bracket anyway.

I don't think she should face consequences for her part in it but I do think in cases like this, if it can be proven that the adult was misled then there probably should be some sort of leniency when it comes to sentencing.

That being said, I have little sympathy for the man in this case, sharing someone else's nudes with your friends is gross and even more so in this situation. He seems like a pig.
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[Tom4784]

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The life experiences between someone in their late teens and someone entering their late 20's are too different, to me being in my late 20's, dating an 18 year old would be like dating a child. I couldn't do it.

[Beso]

His not guilt plea for rape was accepted so it's a mute point in this case.

[Beso]

The life experiences between someone in their late teens and someone entering their late 20's are too different, to me being in my late 20's, dating an 18 year old would be like dating a child. I couldn't do it.

So you find people that don't have the same life experience as you gross?

[Denver]

She didn't ruin anyone's life. She is underage.

She has ruined his life so that's a lie

[Denver]

Agree 100% with the bolded.

But It is rape, she’s underage regardless of lying or not

Wasn't he cleared of rape

[bots]

His not guilt plea for rape was accepted so it's a mute point in this case.

the court accepts any plea made, that doesn't make the person innocent

[Livia]

She has ruined his life so that's a lie

Adam, at 12 she is a child and not at all culpable in the eyes of the law.

This story should give everyone a reminder not to take something someone tells you as gospel.

[Denver]

the court accepts any plea made, that doesn't make the person innocent

Did full on sex happen?? I read sexual activity which is different to rape

[Livia]

the court accepts any plea made, that doesn't make the person innocent

That's true, Bots. He pleaded not guilty, it was the prosecutions job to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was guilty. And they did.

[Denver]

Adam, at 12 she is a child and not at all culpable in the eyes of the law.

This story should give everyone a reminder not to take something someone tells you as gospel.

So anyone at the age of 12 who does something not illegal is not culpable?

They need to ram it into the heads of people in school this shouldn't happen

[Niamh.]

How so? He’s still being punished for his actions but she’s catfished him and posed as someone she isn’t to have sex - that’s messed up.Because legally she can't consent to having sex, if she can then the law is redundant

[Livia]

So anyone at the age of 12 who does something not illegal is not culpable?

They need to ram it into the heads of people in school this shouldn't happen

It depends on the crime, Adam. The age of criminal responsibility is 8. The age for criminal prosecution is 12. But when it comes to rape, anyone, male or female, under the age of 16 cannot give their consent for sex because they are too young. And so it would be statutory rape.

[Cherie]

Know the person you are sleeping with, it might be boring etc but immediately jumping into bed with someone you met on a dating app is asking for trouble particularly if they claim to be 19, a 19 year old could just as easily be a 15 year old, he let what was in his trousers rule his brain and he sounds like a sad sack anyway, sharing photos with his mates, he sounds very immature

[Northern Monkey]

He ****ed up.Should’ve asked for ID.

Also her parents ****ed up.

And dating websites should be confirming peoples age before they can sign up....Somehow. To stop people ruining their lives.Surely they have a duty of care for their customers(him and her)?

[Livia]

He ****ed up.Should’ve asked for ID.

Also her parents ****ed up.

And dating websites should be confirming peoples age before they can sign up....Somehow. To stop people ruining their lives.Surely they have a duty of care for their customers(him and her)?

It's the wild and lawless Internet, isn't it Monkey. Somewhere, there is an adult responsible for this child... parent, social worker, someone... who should have been checking her Internet access.

[Denver]

Another reason mobile phones should be illegally for under 16s

[Morgan.]

Another reason mobile phones should be illegally for under 16s

I mean that’s a bit far lmao

[thesheriff443]

He lost his job home and freedom, would he have done it if he knew her true age?

[arista]

Know the person you are sleeping with, it might be boring etc but immediately jumping into bed with someone you met on a dating app is asking for trouble particularly if they claim to be 19, a 19 year old could just as easily be a 15 year old, he let what was in his trousers rule his brain and he sounds like a sad sack anyway, sharing photos with his mates, he sounds very immature



Yes Great Points Cherie

[Northern Monkey]

It's the wild and lawless Internet, isn't it Monkey. Somewhere, there is an adult responsible for this child... parent, social worker, someone... who should have been checking her Internet access.

Yep.I’ve already told mine that they’re not having phones until they’re 15.

[thesheriff443]

As to knowing someone’s age, my daughter is 24 and I’ve yet again today had to buy an 18 dvd for her as they think she is too young

[LukeB]

They should ban her from the internet or have it monitored.

This is a bit sensitive but when I was ill a few years back my mum found out I had been using a pro-ana message board and she got me help and monitored my internet usage.

Yeah ban her internet and her parents should have been monitoring her internet anyway. It’s scary to think so many people who are under 16 are lying about their age and signing up to dating sites when they shouldn’t, i think dating sites should ask for proof of age. He should have done checks but she shouldn’t have lied.

[Tom4784]

Another reason mobile phones should be illegally for under 16s

That's a ridiculous statement.

[Shaun]

I'd like to think it was impossible to believe a 12 year old was above 16, let alone 19...

[Denver]

That's a ridiculous statement.

Clearly not if the parents are failing their jobs.

Social services should be involved because clearly this woman is a terrible parent

[Marsh.]

I know teenagers can look older than they are, but 12 seems too young for her to be believable as 19. :think:

[Marsh.]

She shouldn't be allowed to ruin people's lives because she is only 12

She has ruined his life so that's a lie

:umm2:

Nobody's life would be ruined if the adult (ie. the 27 year old for clarification) acted like one.

[user104658]

I call bull**** on him believing she was 19,though I doubt he realised she was as young as 12. For obvious protection reasons there won't be pictures of her in any article but had anyone realistically EVER seen a 12 year old that could pass for 19? 15/16 at the very most.

Though let's say he did think she was a young looking 19... Still an idiot to go there without actually figuring it out - and as an adult, it is his responsibility to be sure.

However I do agree that in terms of what harm has come to the girl, judging by the article, her family is far more responsible for this mess. Also possibly the services surrounding her may have let her down - although that's hard to say. They may have been trying without success. I would be very, very surprised if this was the first or only guy she's been involved with... This is just the time that it's been discovered.

Blaming the girl is ridiculous though, for a 12 year old to be acting like this her life must have been all sorts of messed up, and while that's not an excuse for an adult, she's 12 years old and can't possibly understand the consequences. Suggesting that she be punished is like saying my kid should have been prosecuted for shoplifting the time when she was 2 and hid a bag of chocolate brioche in her buggy on the way round Co op.

[Morgan.]

As to knowing someone’s age, my daughter is 24 and I’ve yet again today had to buy an 18 dvd for her as they think she is too young

Does she not carry ID

[Morgan.]

I call bull**** on him believing she was 19,though I doubt he realised she was as young as 12. For obvious protection reasons there won't be pictures of her in any article but had anyone realistically EVER seen a 12 year old that could pass for 19? 15/16 at the very most.

Though let's say he did think she was a young looking 19... Still an idiot to go there without actually figuring it out - and as an adult, it is his responsibility to be sure.

However I do agree that in terms of what harm has come to the girl, judging by the article, her family is far more responsible for this mess. Also possibly the services surrounding her may have let her down - although that's hard to say. They may have been trying without success. I would be very, very surprised if this was the first or only guy she's been involved with... This is just the time that it's been discovered.

Blaming the girl is ridiculous though, for a 12 year old to be acting like this her life must have been all sorts of messed up, and while that's not an excuse for an adult, she's 12 years old and can't possibly understand the consequences. Suggesting that she be punished is like saying my kid should have been prosecuted for shoplifting the time when she was 2 and hid a bag of chocolate brioche in her buggy on the way round Co op.

There’s a difference between 12 and 2 lmao

[Marsh.]

There’s a difference between 12 and 2 lmao

Just as there's a difference between 12 and 19.

[thesheriff443]

Does she not carry ID

No, I must get her passport re done.

[Morgan.]

Just as there's a difference between 12 and 19.

But a 2 year old doesn’t know the difference between wrong and right. A 12 year old does. As does a 19 year old.

[Niamh.]

How so? He’s still being punished for his actions but she’s catfished him and posed as someone she isn’t to have sex - that’s messed up.

Because the age of consent means that if you're a minor you can't consent to sex, it's there to protect the minor from themselves as much as the person who sleeps with them. The whole point is because of their age they can't make that decision, same as why you wouldn't punish a 12 year old for lying about their age to buy alcohol

[Morgan.]

No, I must get her passport re done.

Wouldn’t it be cheaper to get her a provisional driving license? Or use or DL if she had one?

[Denver]

:umm2:

Nobody's life would be ruined if the adult (ie. the 27 year old for clarification) acted like one.

So your saying adults don't have sex?? Because the only thing he was guilty of is thinking he is meeting a 19 year old for sex

[Denver]

The mother let's her 12 year old have unauthorised internet access and doesn't bat an eyelid when she goes missing for a night.

How are social services not involved

[Beso]

He lost his job home and freedom, would he have done it if he knew her true age?

That's the crux ain't it.....the way he behaved after this event leads me more to believing he would have.

[Niamh.]

So your saying adults don't have sex?? Because the only thing he was guilty of is thinking he is meeting a 19 year old for sex

How on Earth did you get that from what Marsh posted :suspect:

[user104658]

But a 2 year old doesn’t know the difference between wrong and right. A 12 year old does. As does a 19 year old.

A 12 year old doesn't have anything close to a full adult understanding of basic consequences, let alone the ability to comprehend adult sexual relationships or the complexities / legality of the age of consent. That's WHY the age of consent exists in the first place... it's the adult's responsibility... and "well she said..." isn't a valid excuse because if there is ANY doubt about age it's the adult's responsibility to either be sure or to just not go there.

I would say there are exceptional circumstances when teenagers at say 15 look MUCH older like 25+, which does happen. But courts assess these things. I think reading between the lines, law officials have looked seen the girl and thought "No she does not look 19, whether she said she was or not".

[Northern Monkey]

If this 27 year old is dumb enough to get catfished by a 12 year old then I don’t think he’s mentally mature enough to be having sex tbh.
Imagine if he has his own kids.They’ll be wrapping him around their finger by the time they hit 12.

[Niamh.]

A 12 year old doesn't have anything close to a full adult understanding of basic consequences, let alone the ability to comprehend adult sexual relationships or the complexities / legality of the age of consent. That's WHY the age of consent exists in the first place... it's the adult's responsibility... and "well she said..." isn't a valid excuse because if there is ANY doubt about age it's the adult's responsibility to either be sure or to just not go there.

I would say there are exceptional circumstances when teenagers at say 15 look MUCH older like 25+, which does happen. But courts assess these things. I think reading between the lines, law officials have looked seen the girl and thought "No she does not look 19, whether she said she was or not".

Yeah even if she did look 19, him at 27, hooking up with a stranger for sex from a website should have made sure. I think if you're going to sleep with people you don't know and they look late teen/early 20's even you need to check.

ETA : and this isn't just at the men, adult women doing the same thing equally should be checking

[Cherie]

Imagine being 27 and showing nudes to your mates like some sweaty 14 year old

[Niamh.]

Imagine being 27 and showing nudes to your mates like some sweaty 14 year old

I know, gross

[Denver]

Imagine being 27 and showing nudes to your mates like some sweaty 14 year old

Women are just as guilty

[Niamh.]

Women are just as guilty

Like some sweaty 14 year old........ (she didn't say boy or girl)

[Amy Jade]

Also wondering why her parents never set an age restriction on her purchases if she used an app? My auntie has kids from 4 - 13 and they can't buy anything without her knowing.

[Tom4784]

Clearly not if the parents are failing their jobs.

Social services should be involved because clearly this woman is a terrible parent

Proposing banning anyone under the age of 16 from having phones is ****ing ridiculous and the epitome of a knee jerk reaction.

[Beso]

And I find it insulting to compare 18 and 19yr olds with children or being childlike....


Especially the ones keeping you safe at night..very patronising Imo. ...but I won't bring it up.

[Niamh.]

And I find it insulting to compare 18 and 19yr olds with children or being childlike....


Especially the ones keeping you safe at night..very patronising Imo. ...but I won't bring it up.

I have an 18 year old and she is very childlike still in alot of ways tbf and mature in others, just like I assume 18 year old soldiers etc are

[Beso]

I have an 18 year old and she is very childlike still in alot of ways tbf and mature in others, just like I assume 18 year old soldiers etc are

As I am sure even us at a more senior age will be at times as well.:smug:

[armand.kay]

You really expect me to believe someone in year 7 convicted him she was 19??? and then to add to that he took and shared unsolicited pornographic pics of her??? THROW AWAY THE KEY!!!

[Niamh.]

As I am sure even us at a more senior age will be at times as well.:smug:

Never! :laugh:

[armand.kay]

She has ruined his life so that's a lie

He ruined his own life by sleeping with a child.

[Niamh.]

He ruined his own life by sleeping with a child.

Yep.

I think the social workers need to do some digging actually to see if that girl had been abused, acting the way she is at 12 could be an indicator of that

[thesheriff443]

Yeah even if she did look 19, him at 27, hooking up with a stranger for sex from a website should have made sure. I think if you're going to sleep with people you don't know and they look late teen/early 20's even you need to check.

ETA : and this isn't just at the men, adult women doing the same thing equally should be checking

Come on strangers meet for sex everyday they don’t use protection let alone do a background check.

It’s the same for internet sites that pair you up with people who want sex.

[montblanc]

how do you confuse a 12 year old for a 19 year old :skull:

[Niamh.]

Come on strangers meet for sex everyday they don’t use protection let alone do a background check.



It’s the same for internet sites that pair you up with people who want sex.So?

[montblanc]

some of these posts are alarming :skull:

are people really trying a TWELVE YEAR OLD as an adult

[montblanc]

like it's obviously wrong to pretend to be a 19 year old but are you telling me that a 27 year old man who is the ADULT didn't take any extra precautions before sleeping with her?

[thesheriff443]

So?

It’s unrealistic to think people will check a persons age if they are on a site where you both are looking for sex.

[RileyH]

Why on earth would he think that she's not 19 if she says she is??? That's not his problem it's hers

There is no way that this was his fault at all, he did what he'd do with a 19yr old, it doesn't sound like he did anything 'dodgy' here, it was her actions and I also do not believe that she 'didn't know what she was doing', ****ing hell being on a dating site like that saying she's 19, having sex... this girl has experience. He shouldn't go to prison (obviously), she's a little bitch

Exactly this

[JerseyWins]

I feel some sympathy if a case like this is between say a 19 year old guy with a 15-16 year old that lied about her age... because these days that can be an easy mistake to make and a person at 19 yo isn’t all that mature yet either. But 27 & ****ing 12? :skull:

[RileyH]

Y'all saying that there's no way a 12 year old can look 19 are being naive, loads of makeup can make certain girls look a LOT older

[montblanc]

Why on earth would he think that she's not 19 if she says she is??? That's not his problem it's hers

There is no way that this was his fault at all, he did what he'd do with a 19yr old, it doesn't sound like he did anything 'dodgy' here, it was her actions and I also do not believe that she 'didn't know what she was doing', ****ing hell being on a dating site like that saying she's 19, having sex... this girl has experience. He shouldn't go to prison (obviously), she's a little bitch

mess

[montblanc]

Know the person you are sleeping with, it might be boring etc but immediately jumping into bed with someone you met on a dating app is asking for trouble particularly if they claim to be 19, a 19 year old could just as easily be a 15 year old, he let what was in his trousers rule his brain and he sounds like a sad sack anyway, sharing photos with his mates, he sounds very immature

exactly people need to stop being so damn naive ESPECIALLY since 19 is already young as hell

[thesheriff443]

exactly people need to stop being so damn naive ESPECIALLY since 19 is already young as hell

Two ten year olds, kidnapped tortured and then murdered a toddler, age is some times just a number.

[montblanc]

Two ten year olds, kidnapped tortured and then murdered a toddler, age is some times just a number.

what does this have to do with anything I-

[thesheriff443]

what does this have to do with anything I-

That age, age does not excuse responsibility or capacity to know right from wrong.

[arista]

Two ten year olds, kidnapped tortured and then murdered a toddler, age is some times just a number.


Yes that was terrible

But this is a Fella
getting into to his bed with a 12 year old girl????????

[montblanc]

that age, age does not excuse responsibility or capacity to know right from wrong.

oh ffs SHE IS A TWELVE YEAR OLD CHILD

[montblanc]

not ONE person in here said that's it's okay for her to pretend to be 19 on a dating app but that doesn't excuse the fact that she's a literal ****ing kid

[montblanc]

if you meet someone up for sex on a dating app you should take the extra precautions not to get caught up in **** like this

ESPECIALLY if you yourself is an (immature) 27 year old man going to sleep with a "19" year old

[thesheriff443]

not ONE person in here said that's it's okay for her to pretend to be 19 on a dating app but that doesn't excuse the fact that she's a literal ****ing kid

Kids have sex and kill, I think his sentence represents the factors in this case.

[montblanc]

Kids have sex and kill, I think his sentence represents the factors in this case.

...i don't think you can correlate murder with this

especially since what you're implying isn't even the point i'm trying to make

[DouglasS]

Why on earth would he think that she's not 19 if she says she is??? That's not his problem it's hers

There is no way that this was his fault at all, he did what he'd do with a 19yr old, it doesn't sound like he did anything 'dodgy' here, it was her actions and I also do not believe that she 'didn't know what she was doing', ****ing hell being on a dating site like that saying she's 19, having sex... this girl has experience. He shouldn't go to prison (obviously), she's a little bitch

I agree.

Some girls can look WAY older with makeup. He took her word for it, how was he supposed to know that a girls profile on a dating app was incorrect

[thesheriff443]

Kids have sex and kill, I think his sentence represents the factors in this case.

...i don't think you can correlate murder with this

especially since what you're implying isn't even the point i'm trying to make

Your trying to make your point while disregarding mine, stop swearing and using capital letters if you can’t talk calmly about this then there is no point in talking.

[thesheriff443]

If all women told the truth and all men told lies, then life would be simple.

[montblanc]

If all women told the truth and all men told lies, then life would be simple.

no one in this thread has ever implied that this was a gender issue? and no on has denied that the girl lied about her age either?

[armand.kay]

I f I was meeting someone I thought was 19 and a ****ing 12 year old turned up I would have some questions

[armand.kay]

Y'all saying that there's no way a 12 year old can look 19 are being naive, loads of makeup can make certain girls look a LOT older

I don't care how good her damn contour is you can't convince me that he actually believed she was 19

[montblanc]

I don't care how good her damn contour is you can't convince me that he actually believed she was 19

there's no way :skull:

[reece(:]

Nevermind her age, it's kinda grim he took a pic of her then sent it to his friend :skull:

[montblanc]

Nevermind her age, it's kinda grim he took a pic of her then sent it to his friend :skull:

he acts like a 12 year old so he thought it was okay to sleep with her?

[armand.kay]

there's no way :skull:

sis is literally fresh out of SATS what kind of spackle is she using :skull:

[reece(:]

He sent one image to his friend and a message stating: 'mine was decent, nailed that bird, unreal bod'. He also said she was 'filth'.

eww

[Denver]

Why would he have reason to believe she was lying?? I don't know why everyone on here is making out he lied about her age

[montblanc]

Why would he have reason to believe she was lying?? I don't know why everyone on here is making out he lied about her age

if you go on a dating app to have sex with someone you DO NOT know, you should take extra precautions it's not rocket science

her being 19 is already a red flag

[Cherie]

Why would he have reason to believe she was lying?? I don't know why everyone on here is making out he lied about her age

You don’t think her childlike body might be a giveaway, at 12 she will have been practically prepubescent, she is 12 ....think about it!

[Daniel.]

I feel some sympathy but the fact she was 12? No way you cant tell a 12 year old and 19 year old

[Denver]

You don’t think her childlike body might be a giveaway, at 12 she will have been practically prepubescent, she is 12 ....think about it!

But you cant say that until you seen what she looks like.

Some girls can start puberty at 10

[Niamh.]

It’s unrealistic to think people will check a persons age if they are on a site where you both are looking for sex.Might be a lot more realistic if people started getting locked up for not checking

[Cherie]

But you cant say that until you seen what she looks like.

Some girls can start puberty at 10

Yes Adam I know all about puberty and when it can start :skull:

[Niamh.]

If all women told the truth and all men told lies, then life would be simple.She's not a woman she's a child and your point is ridiculous and sexist

[Cherie]

Might be a lot more realistic if people started getting locked up for not checking

Yes..

[Denver]

Might be a lot more realistic if people started getting locked up for not checking

Or start taking action against the liar, if you excuse it because of their age they will keep doing it

[Niamh.]

Or start taking action against the liar, if you excuse it because of their age they will keep doing itDon't be ****ing stupid

[Denver]

Don't be ****ing stupid
So a 12 year should continue to lie and try sleep with older people in your eyes?

[montblanc]

So a 12 year should continue to lie and try sleep with older people in your eyes?

if this is what you're getting from Niamh's post then you obviously don't know understand what argument you're having

[Denver]

if this is what you're getting from Niamh's post then you obviously don't know understand what argument you're having

All i see is the 12 year is not to blame she was made to sign up and lie about her age and made to meet him

[Niamh.]

So a 12 year should continue to lie and try sleep with older people in your eyes?I think a 12 year old who does that needs help and it investigated as to why a child so young is doing that. It's likely it's because they've been neglected or abused.

[Niamh.]

All i see is the 12 year is not to blame she was made to sign up and lie about her age and made to meet himLiterally no one said that but go ahead writing your own narrative to argue against if it makes you feel better

[thesheriff443]

Might be a lot more realistic if people started getting locked up for not checking

Well in this case the guy did, but what happens when two 14 year olds start having sex?, teenagers under the age of consent are having sex.

[Niamh.]

Well in this case the guy did, but what happens when two 14 year olds start having sex?, teenagers under the age of consent are having sex.Both are underage so I doubt anything would happen? Totally different scenario though, don't see how that's relevant here?

[Beso]

Both are underage so I doubt anything would happen? Totally different scenario though, don't see how that's relevant here?

The male used to get charged...not sure about now

[Barry.]

Nevermind her age, it's kinda grim he took a pic of her then sent it to his friend :skull:

This.

[thesheriff443]

She's not a woman she's a child and your point is ridiculous and sexist

See niamh you can only ever go down the same old path If I’m ridiculous then you are too.

Two sides to every story but you only see one the woman’s.

I’m sick of your over bearing opinions when it comes to discussion involving stories that involve sex.

I’m far from sexist, I just don’t jump on the band wagon.

[thesheriff443]

Both are underage so I doubt anything would happen? Totally different scenario though, don't see how that's relevant here?

You don’t do you! It’s kids having sexual but that’s ok because they are both kids.

[Beso]

Y'all saying that there's no way a 12 year old can look 19 are being naive, loads of makeup can make certain girls look a LOT older

And there are a lot of 12 yr olds willing to have sex with older men for treats....


Sorry but that will be true even though I've not fact checked itm

[Beso]

Kids have sex and kill, I think his sentence represents the factors in this case.

That's true....but to bring it up when this a case of sex rather than thrill.

[Niamh.]

See niamh you can only ever go down the same old path If I’m ridiculous then you are too.



Two sides to every story but you only see one the woman’s.



I’m sick of your over bearing opinions when it comes to discussion involving stories that involve sex.



I’m far from sexist, I just don’t jump on the band wagon.I would have the same opinion if the 27 year old was a women and the 12 year old a boy. You're the only one bringing sex into it.

[Niamh.]

You don’t do you! It’s kids having sexual but that’s ok because they are both kids.It's not ok but they're both under the age of consent. Interesting though how you made them 2 years older than the girl in the story. . .because 12 is so so young :think:

[Beso]

It's not ok both they're both under the age of consent. Interesting though how you made them 2 years older than the girl in the story. . .because 12 is so so young :think:

2 twelve yr olds having sex would hopefully trigger a visit from ss to both families.

[Niamh.]

2 twelve yr olds having sex would hopefully trigger a visit from ss to both families.Absolutely

[Beso]

Absolutely

Thank you for breaching the elephant in the room earlier about her body.


Imo..a 18yr old with boobs would be shoving them in your face...a 12 yr old would be coy and embarrassed when undressed....the strange thing about this case is that it doesn't sound like the girl was either of those.


So the parents need some serious questioning..in my opinion....edit...and the Internet.

[thesheriff443]

The youngest ever recorded child to give birth was at 6 years old and five months, she was raped as s five year old.

It has no relevance to the thread but, it’s shocking.

[thesheriff443]

It's not ok but they're both under the age of consent. Interesting though how you made them 2 years older than the girl in the story. . .because 12 is so so young :think:

I could go up or down in age the point is they are under the age of concent.

[Niamh.]

I could go up or down in age the point is they are under the age of concent.Yes both are so not relevant at all here

[Oliver_W]

What was he meant to do, cut her leg off and count the rings? He was deceived.

[Niamh.]

What was he meant to do, cut her leg off and count the rings? He was deceived.Hmm cut off her leg or ask for ID? :think:

[Barry.]

Hmm cut off her leg or ask for ID? :think:

Not going to lie but girls in my high school first year looked around 18 because they were tall and had boobs.

[GoldHeart]

The guy sounds really stupid, classless and gross especially sharing photos with his mates! ,that's just messed up :crazy: .

But the alarming question is why the hell is a 12 year old who hasn't even hit her teens yet! using a site to meet older men for sex!!???? , or is it just me questioning this insane business!! :umm2: .

It's bad enough underage kids are exposed to inappropriate stuff they SHOULDN'T be viewing and talking about things they shouldn't and using vulgar language , but the attitude some young kids have today is shocking. the sexual awareness and brazen behaviour!! is worrying , makes you question the parenting .

Makes you wonder how many times this girl has done this type of thing if she's lying about her age which is wrong! , yes she's only 12 but she would still know right from wrong just like if she punched someone in the face for giggles , i'm pretty sure they'd be less sympathy .

The fact the man meets up for one night stands and casual hook ups , i doubt he takes any precautions . He takes their word for it . I think on those sites quite a few people are like that who are desperate to meet for one thing.

You would think he'd twig something seems suspicious about her , but it's obviously he's brainless anyway . But i will say yes some youngsters can pass for being older . Whether or not she looked 19 i'm not sure about that :suspect::skull: .

[Jessica.]

This is such a mess, I hope child protective services got involved and figured out how a child was even able to get in that situation.

The man sounds terrible, especially for taking the picture and sharing it with a friend, even if he did it with a girl of age.

I hope a lot of people will learn from this story, really devastating for both involved and both of their families.

[Cherie]

What was he meant to do, cut her leg off and count the rings? He was deceived.

:umm2: dont any of you remember what you were like at 12, its that age where one minute you want to be an adult, the next you are a child again, bottom line here is she was a child and he was more than twice her age, the onus was on him no one else

[thesheriff443]

:umm2: dont any of you remember what you were like at 12, its that age where one minute you want to be an adult, the next you are a child again, bottom line here is she was a child and he was more than twice her age, the onus was on him no one else

I think times have moved on, have heard a group of ten year olds speak lately?

The language and conversations are shocking, plus the female body as actual changed, breast sizes have got bigger, not all twelve year olds look like boys of the same age.

Some kids are older than their years, some kids are carers to their parents, some kids are working harder than adults in seeat shops.

Kids should not be having sex and adults should not be having sex with kids because that’s sick abuse.

What I’m saying is not all kids are the same, and as for looking their age, my daughter is 24 but can’t buy a 18 dvd on her own that means to the person serving her she looks at least six years younger than her real age.

[Cherie]

I think times have moved on, have heard a group of ten year olds speak lately?

The language and conversations are shocking, plus the female body as actual changed, breast sizes have got bigger, not all twelve year olds look like boys of the same age.

Some kids are older than their years, some kids are carers to their parents, some kids are working harder than adults in seeat shops.

Kids should not be having sex and adults should not be having sex with kids because that’s sick abuse.

What I’m saying is not all kids are the same, and as for looking their age, my daughter is 24 but can’t buy a 18 dvd on her own that means to the person serving her she looks at least six years younger than her real age.

You are generalising a while group there to fit your agenda, yes some kids mature faster than others that is nothing new, some want to be grown up before they are ready etc, and you have also made the key point your daughter looks younger than she actually is, other girls look older and that is why the onus is on the adult to make sure of their age before engaging in sex especially with someone you meet from an app and who you have no background knowledge of

[user104658]

I think times have moved on, have heard a group of ten year olds speak lately?

No I think Cherie is right to be fair Sheriff. My daughter is "old for 9" cutrently; she's tall, looks about 11 or so, acts and talks like a teenager when she's with her friends, enjoys playing with make-up (she's not allowed to wear it regularly though) etc.

But then 10 minutes later she's at home wanting to play tickle fights with her 6 year old sister, crying about maths homework, too scared to go upstairs alone etc.

Kids out and about might seem / act much older but there very much is still "a little kid in there" that they switch back and forward from and that's the worrying thing and it's why laws exist to protect them. Because they have deep impulses to "be a grown up" long before they're actually ready for the responsibility.

[user104658]

Giving it some thought; I suspect this guy just didn't understand the law and while he may have suspected she was younger than she was saying, he thought "it didn't matter" because he had proof that she claimed to be 19 (messages) and probably believed that this absolved him of any criminal responsibility if she did turn out to be under 16.

And that's precisely why it's still a crime even if the underage person has claimed to be of-age, otherwise it would open up a huge loophole in the law, as anyone could claim "but they SAID..." as a defence.

If you don't know how old someone is and they look young, even if you believe they're 18+, your default should be to assume that they are NOT old enough until you know otherwise for a fact. This applies in my job and for bar staff / bouncers so it should definitely apply when you're about to have sex with someone!

What do you think happens if someone walks into a bar and says "hello mate, can I have a pint? I'm 19." and the barman happily serves him? Do the authorities say "Well, that 12 year old looks older than he is and he SAID he was 19 so the poor barman was duped!"? No... Barman at the very least faces disciplinary action, and at worst could face prison time. Nothing happens to the 12 year old.

It has to be that way for a reason and that's sort of the point of being an adult; you have to stop being reckless in your actions, or you face the consequences.

[Cherie]

Giving it some thought; I suspect this guy just didn't understand the law and while he may have suspected she was younger than she was saying, he thought "it didn't matter" because he had proof that she claimed to be 19 (messages) and probably believed that this absolved him of any criminal responsibility if she did turn out to be under 16.

And that's precisely why it's still a crime even if the underage person has claimed to be of-age, otherwise it would open up a huge loophole in the law, as anyone could claim "but they SAID..." as a defence.

If you don't know how old someone is and they look young, even if you believe they're 18+, your default should be to assume that they are NOT old enough until you know otherwise for a fact. This applies in my job and for bar staff / bouncers so it should definitely apply when you're about to have sex with someone!

What do you think happens if someone walks into a bar and says "hello mate, can I have a pint? I'm 19." and the barman happily serves him? Do the authorities say "Well, that 12 year old looks older than he is and he SAID he was 19 so the poor barman was duped!"? No... Barman at the very least faces disciplinary action, and at worst could face prison time. Nothing happens to the 12 year old.

It has to be that way for a reason and that's sort of the point of being an adult; you have to stop being reckless in your actions, or you face the consequences.


Exactly

[Elliot]

It’s one of those weird moral grey areas

[bots]

it's not a moral grey area at all. Adults are required to be responsible for their own actions.

[Marsh.]

So your saying adults don't have sex?? Because the only thing he was guilty of is thinking he is meeting a 19 year old for sex

Erm... what? :umm2:

[Marsh.]

But a 2 year old doesn’t know the difference between wrong and right. A 12 year old does. As does a 19 year old.

But as 12 year old is still an immature child. A 19 year old is a grown adult capable of making their own decisions AND knowing the consequences of those decisions.

[Marsh.]

Kids have sex and kill, I think his sentence represents the factors in this case.

Yeah, lots of 12 year olds and younger teenagers will have sex. Usually with people their own ages.

That doesn't excuse an adult MORE THAN TWICE HER AGE engaging in sex with her. :conf2:

[Marsh.]

Also, I find the "12 year olds can look so much older with makeup" kind of confusing.

If she'd sent him a snapchat, I could just about buy him believing she was 19, with makeup, filters, pouting etc.

But meeting her in person, her demeanour/behaviour would likely not be that of an adult but a child.

And if that wasn't enough, surely the naked body he was busy photographing for his friends would've been a huge sign too? The body of a child vs the body of a woman.

[Marsh.]

Well in this case the guy did, but what happens when two 14 year olds start having sex?, teenagers under the age of consent are having sex.

What comparison is that to an ADULT HAVING SEX WITH A CHILD?

Are people just playing devil's advocate for the sake of it or is it really that hard to understand?

This man was MORE THAN TWICE her age. Two 14 year olds shagging is not a comparison.

[Marsh.]

See niamh you can only ever go down the same old path If I’m ridiculous then you are too.

Two sides to every story but you only see one the woman’s.

I’m sick of your over bearing opinions when it comes to discussion involving stories that involve sex.

I’m far from sexist, I just don’t jump on the band wagon.

No, she's seeing it from the perspective of the victim (A CHILD) and the criminal (THE ADULT HAVING SEX WITH A CHILD). Nothing to do with the genders.

It's really not rocket science.

[Niamh.]

Giving it some thought; I suspect this guy just didn't understand the law and while he may have suspected she was younger than she was saying, he thought "it didn't matter" because he had proof that she claimed to be 19 (messages) and probably believed that this absolved him of any criminal responsibility if she did turn out to be under 16.

And that's precisely why it's still a crime even if the underage person has claimed to be of-age, otherwise it would open up a huge loophole in the law, as anyone could claim "but they SAID..." as a defence.

If you don't know how old someone is and they look young, even if you believe they're 18+, your default should be to assume that they are NOT old enough until you know otherwise for a fact. This applies in my job and for bar staff / bouncers so it should definitely apply when you're about to have sex with someone!

What do you think happens if someone walks into a bar and says "hello mate, can I have a pint? I'm 19." and the barman happily serves him? Do the authorities say "Well, that 12 year old looks older than he is and he SAID he was 19 so the poor barman was duped!"? No... Barman at the very least faces disciplinary action, and at worst could face prison time. Nothing happens to the 12 year old.

It has to be that way for a reason and that's sort of the point of being an adult; you have to stop being reckless in your actions, or you face the consequences.Yes exactly.

[Niamh.]

it's not a moral grey area at all. Adults are required to be responsible for their own actions..

[Crimson Dynamo]

every peado says "i thought she was 18"

however it sounds like this girl has had a poor upbringing and was vulnerable, which makes it even worse

[Oliver_W]

every peado says "i thought she was 18"

however it sounds like this girl has had a poor upbringing and was vulnerable, which makes it even worse

Exactly, her mum sounds neglectful, and I'd wonder about what sort of men she was letting into her house - sexualised behaviour in kids doesn't come from nowhere.

[Cherie]

Exactly, her mum sounds neglectful, and I'd wonder about what sort of men she was letting into her house - sexualised behaviour in kids doesn't come from nowhere.

Everyone is to blame but the 27 year old male

[Oliver_W]

Everyone is to blame but the 27 year old male

Psst - did you know more than one person can be responsible for things that happen? /bigshock

[Cherie]

Psst - did you know more than one person can be responsible for things that happen? /bigshock


The only one responsible for having sex with a child is the 27 year old man, yes she might have had a terrible life etc etc but we don't know that, for all we know she might have some kind of special needs, the facts we have in front of us is that she was 12 claiming to be 19 and he was 27 with the mentality of a 14 year old schoolboy

[JerseyWins]

He sent one image to his friend and a message stating: 'mine was decent, nailed that bird, unreal bod'. He also said she was 'filth'.
eww
aaghslhsdljshdlj FFS that's cringey :skull: :skull: :skull:

[thesheriff443]

Has no one ever heard of child geniuses or child murderes, you are all basing your opinions that this is a flat chested 12 year old who wants to join an adult dating site meet a stranger then want to play with Barbie dolls the next minute.

Sex with a child and there is no excuse but if you was out on the p1ss in a club and got with someone you don’t do background checks and that’s the same for a young adult male or female.

[Marsh.]

Has no one ever heard of child geniuses or child murderes, you are all basing your opinions that this is a flat chested 12 year old who wants to join an adult dating site meet a stranger then want to play with Barbie dolls the next minute.

Sex with a child and there is no excuse but if you was out on the p1ss in a club and got with someone you don’t do background checks and that’s the same for a young adult male or female.

No, you are basing this on an extreme stereotype that for her to be seen as a child she needs to be flat chested or playing with Barbie dolls. The kind of excuses the adult will be using to explain himself.

It's also not someone he's met pissed in a club.

[Gstar]

I’m of the belief that anyone underage that lies about their age to sleep with someone should face consequences, it can ruin people’s lives, especially if they have fake id’s to get into clubs and stuff, cause if you meet someone in a club and they’re drinking you’re bound to assume that they’re above 18.

However, in this case, I refuse to believe that you wouldn’t know that someone was 12 years old :joker:

Basically this

[Oliver_W]

The only one responsible for having sex with a child is the 27 year old man, yes she might have had a terrible life etc etc but we don't know that, for all we know she might have some kind of special needs, the facts we have in front of us is that she was 12 claiming to be 19 and he was 27 with the mentality of a 14 year old schoolboy

He's the one responsible for doing that, yes.

But don't you think it's worth thinking about what happened in her life to put her in that situation, or is anything that happened before rendered invalid?

[Marsh.]

I’m of the belief that anyone underage that lies about their age to sleep with someone should face consequences, it can ruin people’s lives, especially if they have fake id’s to get into clubs and stuff, cause if you meet someone in a club and they’re drinking you’re bound to assume that they’re above 18.

However, in this case, I refuse to believe that you wouldn’t know that someone was 12 years old :joker:

But, also, you shouldn't be absolved of any responsibility for "assuming" something.

It's a fact of life that underage teenagers will drink and even manage to get into bars. It doesn't make the establishments/licence holders any less culpable.

[Marsh.]

He's the one responsible for doing that, yes.

But don't you think it's worth thinking about what happened in her life to put her in that situation, or is anything that happened before rendered invalid?

Nobody said it's invalid. But when it comes to criminal conviction, no matter the circumstances of her life, he is in the wrong and should be treated as such.

If a bad upbringing has led the girl to putting herself in these dangerous situations then we would hope she will get help for that of course.

But it shouldn't be used as a means to say he is not responsible for his own irresponsible actions.

[Oliver_W]

Nobody said it's invalid. But when it comes to criminal conviction, no matter the circumstances of her life, he is in the wrong and should be treated as such.

If a bad upbringing has led the girl to putting herself in these dangerous situations then we would hope she will get help for that of course.

But it shouldn't be used as a means to say he is not responsible for his own irresponsible actions.

I wasn't saying it should absolve him from responsibility, or be used as extenuating circumstances.

But his mother should be investigated as well; anyone who knows about safeguarding will tell you that sexualised behaviour is indicative of abuse, so if the services aren't speaking to her mother already, they should.

[Niamh.]

I wasn't saying it should absolve him from responsibility, or be used as extenuating circumstances.



But his mother should be investigated as well; anyone who knows about safeguarding will tell you that sexualised behaviour is indicative of abuse, so if the services aren't speaking to her mother already, they should.

Yes that's something we can agree on and why punishing the child is a ridiculous notion

[MTVN]

Not saying it changes anything but everyone is talking about him having sex with this girl but he did not - he performed a sex act on her. She also wasn't naked when he photographed her

[Beso]

Nobody said it's invalid. But when it comes to criminal conviction, no matter the circumstances of her life, he is in the wrong and should be treated as such.

If a bad upbringing has led the girl to putting herself in these dangerous situations then we would hope she will get help for that of course.

But it shouldn't be used as a means to say he is not responsible for his own irresponsible actions.

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[Rob!]

There is NO way a 12 year old could look anything close to an 18 year old.

[thesheriff443]

Not saying it changes anything but everyone is talking about him having sex with this girl but he did not - he performed a sex act on her. She also wasn't naked when he photographed her

You know facts mean nothing on tibb, they just get in the way.

[Marsh.]

You know facts mean nothing on tibb, they just get in the way.

We do apologise. The sex act he performed obviously changes everything.

Not.

[thesheriff443]

The facts are, this happened it went to court and the adult got convicted.

Only time will tell what happens to both in the future.

[GoldHeart]

it's not a moral grey area at all. Adults are required to be responsible for their own actions.

Pretty obvious he's childish himself mentally if he's sharing photo's with his mates . He's a creep! don't expect responsibility from him. If she told him she had her own house and was a millionaire he'd probably be dumb enough to believe it .

This isn't someone looking for a relationship , it's a sleazebag wanting one thing. When he met her you'd think red flags were there , or did she just convince him with her lies ?.

But as i've already said i find it alarming that such a young CHILD has put herself in that situation. He only found her because she was on adult sites in the first place . Kids today rarely act like kids , their language is vulgar and they already see graphic inappropriate images that they SHOULDN'T !. It's far worse these days .

So it makes you question the parenting and home life .

[Oliver_W]

But as i've already said i find it alarming that such a young CHILD has put herself in that situation. He only found her because she was on adult sites in the first place . Kids today rarely act like kids , their language is vulgar and they already see graphic inappropriate images that they SHOULDN'T !. It's far worse these days .

So it makes you question the parenting and home life .
She's most likely faced abuse of some kind, it's all very well karping on about "kids today" but she's not typical of them, and her behaviour is a big red flag for her homelife.

[Morgan.]

Mess, it's been exposed that he's a serial rapist, and that he has history of spiking girls drinks with date rape and taking them back to his :skull:

I take back EVERYTHING :skull:

[Morgan.]

He also has history of hitting girls when they refuse, and even broke one girls jaw when she called her Brother for help :skull: SCUM

[montblanc]

oh wow i love being right

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[Oliver_W]

Mess, it's been exposed that he's a serial rapist, and that he has history of spiking girls drinks with date rape and taking them back to his :skull:

I take back EVERYTHING :skull:

He also has history of hitting girls when they refuse, and even broke one girls jaw when she called her Brother for help :skull: SCUM

Do you have linkage? I googled his name and articles about the 12 year old were all that came up.