USA: President Trump uses National Emergency to Fund HIS WALL

[arista]

No Gov., Shut down
He just spoke live
all media.




Democrats rushing to stop him.


https://news.sky.com/story/live-trump-set-to-declare-emergency-to-get-border-wall-funding-11638308

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47258754

[Liam-]

The man is a moron

[Crimson Dynamo]

I like Arista

[LaLaLand]

Why don't they just kick him out!? Forget procedure, the man's an idiot.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why don't they just kick him out!? Forget procedure, the man's an idiot.

For doing what he was voted in to do?

I like your logic

:conf:

[Oliver_W]

He's an "idiot" because he's exploiting using the system to push through something he was voted in to do?

[arista]

Not Easy to get rid of a President,
Election next year 2020

[Withano]

For doing what he was voted in to do?

I like your logic

:conf:

He isnt though? He was voted on the grounds that Mexico would pay, so either way hes ****ing up, but this way hes also wasting several billion.

[bots]

The president doesnt decide on funding. Misappropriation of funds is a felony and in itself could put him behind bars

[Beso]

Can't wait for the grand opening. ..:hehe:

[arista]

The president doesnt decide on funding. Misappropriation of funds is a felony and in itself could put him behind bars



No if they stop the money transfer
the Democrats are happy.


President will not go to any Jail
thats not how America works

[Crimson Dynamo]

He isnt though? He was voted on the grounds that Mexico would pay, so either way hes ****ing up, but this way hes also wasting several billion.

As long as its built and the USA is protected from Mexico

[SherzyK]

What an absolute twat

[Underscore]

Twat.

Dems in the House were elected amongst other reasons to STOP him building his wall. He promised MEXICO would pay. He's since gone back on this promise.

[Underscore]

And let's remember Trump didn't win the popular vote so he doesn't have a mandate in that respect. The system and geography elected him.

[Oliver_W]

Twat.

Dems in the House were elected amongst other reasons to STOP him building his wall. He promised MEXICO would pay. He's since gone back on this promise.

So are you saying you wouldn't be crying so much if he did get Mexico to pay for it?

[Underscore]

So are you saying you wouldn't be crying so much if he did get Mexico to pay for it?

I'm not crying. I think it's a bloody stupid idea regardless.

The emotion would be laughter at him trying to get Mexico to pay and failing, but right now I think it's feckin stupid him getting the American public to fork out for it.

He lost the popular vote in 2016. He lost the popular vote in the Senate and House in 2018. He lost the House in 2018.

Go figure the popularity for his wall.

[Crimson Dynamo]

ok

[SherzyK]

ok

[SherzyK]

Back on topic, he’s a twat

[Matthew.]

Back on topic, he’s a twat

Agreed

[Crimson Dynamo]

and which politician do you like?

[SherzyK]

and which politician do you like?

Stay on topic please. We’re not discussing which politician I like and don’t like

[Crimson Dynamo]

Stay on topic please. We’re not discussing which politician I like and don’t like

then back up you silly name calling with substance if you want anyone to take you seriously

do you own property, do you work, have you run a company, do you pay a mortgage, do you have children, do you have dependants, do you run a car, do you take our own bins out, do you cut your own grass, have you painted a wall?

what the actual feck stake in society do you have

or are you just a paper bag blowing in the wind saying what you think will make you popular until you find a mate?

you literally have not got a f ucking clue

lol

but keep on keeping on bruv

[Matthew.]

then back up you silly name calling with substance if you want anyone to take you seriously

do you own property, do you work, have you run a company, do you pay a mortgage, do you have children, do you have dependants, do you run a car, do you take our own bins out, do you cut your own grass, have you painted a wall?

what the actual feck stake in society do you have

or are you just a paper bag blowing in the wind saying what you think will make you popular until you find a mate?

you literally have not got a f ucking clue

lol

but keep on keeping on bruv

Stick on topic as opposed to discussing/insulting other members, LT :hee:

[SherzyK]

then back up you silly name calling with substance if you want anyone to take you seriously

do you own property, do you work, have you run a company, do you pay a mortgage, do you have children, do you have dependants, do you run a car, do you take our own bins out, do you cut your own grass, have you painted a wall?

what the actual feck stake in society do you have

or are you just a paper bag blowing in the wind saying what you think will make you popular until you find a mate?

you literally have not got a f ucking clue

lol

but keep on keeping on bruv

No worries :laugh:

[Beso]

Back on topic, he’s a twat

Do you have access to him, or is this another bandwagon you are perched upon?

[SherzyK]

Do you have access to him, or is this another bandwagon you are perched upon?

The guy literally has no likeable qualities as a president and I think a lot of people know what he’s like and he’s not that well liked tbh :laugh:

You won’t be saying I’m jumping on the bandwagon if were in support of him now would you? I never liked him and never will

[Withano]

As long as its built and the USA is protected from Mexico

Thats still not what he was voted for so your original point is still bollocks

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thats still not what he was voted for so your original point is still bollocks

No it isn't

[Tom4784]

Taking money from the military, Disaster relief fund and other important parts of government to fund an ego boost is a disgusting abuse of power.

The facts do not lie, there is no crisis at the border and no real reason to build the wall, it would be better and more cost effective to maintain the gates since security and immigration experts both agree that a wall won't do much to prevent anything since most drugs and illegal substances come through the gates and checkpoints via smuggling. People can climb over a wall and they can burrow underneath it. A wall does nothing but fuel Trump's ego and he wants to waste precious funds for actual crisis situations for his imaginary one.

I don't care which side of the argument you fall on, if you don't see this as a gross abuse of power then you are choosing to ignore the facts. Even republicans are speaking out against this.

[AnnieK]

then back up you silly name calling with substance if you want anyone to take you seriously

do you own property, do you work, have you run a company, do you pay a mortgage, do you have children, do you have dependants, do you run a car, do you take our own bins out, do you cut your own grass, have you painted a wall?

what the actual feck stake in society do you have

or are you just a paper bag blowing in the wind saying what you think will make you popular until you find a mate?

you literally have not got a f ucking clue

lol

but keep on keeping on bruv

I have done all of the above and still think the guy's a twat....:shrug:

[Vicky.]

What an idiot. You would think he would quietly drop this ridiculous wall idea, rather than still shouting on about it.

Also, using relief money is asking for disaster. Nothing can go wrong there, no way :umm2:

[letmein]

Another thing he's doing that's unconstitutional and will be struck down in court. Congress appropriates funds. The President is not a king. He can't spend people's money at whim. The House controls the purse.

[Ashley.]

then back up you silly name calling with substance if you want anyone to take you seriously

do you own property, do you work, have you run a company, do you pay a mortgage, do you have children, do you have dependants, do you run a car, do you take our own bins out, do you cut your own grass, have you painted a wall?

what the actual feck stake in society do you have

or are you just a paper bag blowing in the wind saying what you think will make you popular until you find a mate?

you literally have not got a f ucking clue

lol

but keep on keeping on bruv

Donald Trump is a twat, though.

[bots]

Donald Trump is a twat, though.

that's being unkind to twats

[SherzyK]

He’s proven on many, if not every occasion that he’s just a massive bell-end

[Sticks]

Who did the USA elect as leader in 2016?

TRUMP

He is who the people chose

What did he promise?

A Wall

The US electorate voted for Trump

Anyone blocking Trump from fulfilling his electoral promise to the people of the US does not believe in Democracy

The Democratic Party (Or as they should now be called the UnDemocratic Party) are blocking a Democratically elected head of state from fulfilling his electoral promises

When we had the shut down all I could see from the Undemocrats was their crocodile tears and hand wringing over the "poor federal workers", as these undemocrats jet setted all over the place, while Trump stayed at his post, ready to talk.

Just like the UK Labour Party, more interested in far left wing ideology than actual people, the Undemocrats, do not care about people they pretend to represent, only their ideology and looking good on TV while wringing their hands shedding Crocodile tears, over the"poor federal workers".

We have also seen how the UnDemocrats are tolerating Anti-Semitism in their own party.

[Matthew.]

Oh ffs

[bots]

Who did the USA elect as leader in 2016?

TRUMP

He is who the people chose

What did he promise?

A Wall

The US electorate voted for Trump

Anyone blocking Trump from fulfilling his electoral promise to the people of the US does not believe in Democracy

The Democratic Party (Or as they should now be called the UnDemocratic Party) are blocking a Democratically elected head of state from fulfilling his electoral promises

When we had the shut down all I could see from the Undemocrats was their crocodile tears and hand wringing over the "poor federal workers", as these undemocrats jet setted all over the place, while Trump stayed at his post, ready to talk.

Just like the UK Labour Party, more interested in far left wing ideology than actual people, the Undemocrats, do not care about people they pretend to represent, only their ideology and looking good on TV while wringing their hands shedding Crocodile tears, over the"poor federal workers".

We have also seen how the UnDemocrats are tolerating Anti-Semitism in their own party.

This post just shows the ignorance that you have over the responsibilities of the various branches of government in the USA. Congress is a body elected by the people of America and it is them that decide what gets funding.

[Matthew.]

This post just shows the ignorance that you have over the responsibilities of the various branches of government in the USA. Congress is a body elected by the people of America and it is them that decide what gets funding.

:clap1:

[Sticks]

Do not the people elect the president and head of state?

[Nicky91]

Do not the people elect the president and head of state?

no, just most of Trump's fanbase :notimpressed:


this wall is so unnecessary anyway, shows what a racist loser he is, with his ongoing hate towards mexicans yet he likes kissing Kim Jong-Un's arse and north Korea is more dangerous than mexico

[Nicky91]

with that diplomatic solution he and kim has come up with now :notimpressed:

[Tom4784]

I'm pretty sure that the government shutdown put paid to any support for the wall beyond his hardcore base who thinks the sun shines out of his arse.

A majority of people blamed Trump for the government shutdown and now there's a lot of opposition to the wall, especially if Trump is plundering disaster relief funds for a wall that most experts (bipartisan ones at that) believe is unneeded. Trump is fabricating a crisis to get his way and most reasonable people can see through it, hell, he'll have a fight to garner support from republicans, never mind the people after the stunt he's pulled.

[arista]

This post just shows the ignorance that you have over the responsibilities of the various branches of government in the USA. Congress is a body elected by the people of America and it is them that decide what gets funding.


Yes some states
are now fighting the Presidents Funding plan.
Legal Battles ahead

Ref: FoxNewsHD and CNN HD USA

[Sticks]

I have heard testimony from my "Friends" on Facebook who live near the border, and they have told me how vital it is for security.

Only if you live on the border can you pronounce whether it is needed or not. My contacts do and have.

[arista]

"Trump is fabricating a crisis to get his way "

Yes Dezzy that's how he rolls
of course he was clever to have the parents
of a Murdered child by a Illegal Man,
making sure everyone in the world
knows about the Murder.

[arista]

I have heard testimony from my "Friends" on Facebook who live near the border, and they have told me how vital it is for security.

Only if you live on the border can you pronounce whether it is needed or not. My contacts do and have.


Yes one Zone has no crime now
as a mega wall is Up

[Mokka]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/border-wall-state-of-emergency-states-sure-trump-1.5024051

Coalition of 16 states sues Trump administration over emergency declaration

'President Trump treats the rule of law with utter contempt,' says California A-G
The Associated Press

February 18, 2019

Trump Border Security
A protester flashes a sign over a highway in Victorville, Calif., during a rally against U.S. President Donald Trump's declaration of national emergency to build a southern border wall. (James Quigg/The Daily Press/Associated Press)
At least 16 states — led by California — have joined to sue the Trump administration over the U.S. president's declaration of a national emergency to fund a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border.

The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California Monday, after Trump invoked emergency powers on Friday.

California Attorney General Xavier Becerra released a statement Monday saying the suit alleges the Trump administration's action violates the Constitution.

"President Trump treats the rule of law with utter contempt," Becerra said. "He knows there is no border crisis, he knows his emergency declaration is unwarranted, and he admits that he will likely lose this case in court."

Joining California in filing the lawsuit are the attorneys general of Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Illinois, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, and Virginia. All the states involved in the lawsuit have Democratic attorneys general.

Trump Border Security
A coalition of 16 states launched a lawsuit against the Trump administration over Trump's declaration of a national emergency as rallies organized by Move On were held in various cities. (Margo Reed/The Philadelphia Inquirer/Associated Press)
Trump's declaration will shift billions of dollars from military construction to the border. He made the move after Congress approved far less border security funding than Trump wanted for the wall, which the Republican considers a national security necessity.

His emergency proclamation calls the border "a major entry point for criminals, gang members, and illicit narcotics."

Illegal border crossings have declined from a high of 1.6 million in 2000. But 50,000 families are now entering illegally each month, straining the U.S. asylum system and border facilities.

Trump's critics have argued he undercut his own rationale for the emergency declaration by saying he "didn't need to do this" but wanted to get the wall built faster than he otherwise could. In announcing the move, he said he anticipated the legal challenges.

Analysis As Trump declares emergency over border wall, he undermines his own case
Affected by borders and climate change, California is at the centre of a Trump resistance
Protesters also turned out Monday to voice their anger at the declaration.

"Trump is the national emergency!" chanted a group of hundreds lined up Monday at the White House fence while Trump was in Florida. Some held up large letters spelling, "Stop power grab." In downtown Fort Worth, Texas, a small group carried signs with messages including "No wall! #FakeTrumpEmergency."

USA-TRUMP/PROTESTS
Protesters turned out in cities across the country including New York, Washington, and Philadelphia. (Go Nakamura/Reuters)
Organized by the liberal group MoveOn and others, Monday's demonstrations took the occasion of the Presidents Day holiday in the U.S. to assail Trump's proclamation as undemocratic and anti-immigrant.

Kelly Quirk, of the progressive group Soma Action, told a gathering of dozens in Newark, N.J., that "democracy demands" saying "no more" to Trump.

"There are plenty of real emergencies to invest our tax dollars in," said Quirk.

Trump would veto any vote against national emergency, says White House adviser
In New York City, hundreds of people at a Manhattan park chanted "No hate, no fear, immigrants are welcome here" as several of them held up letters spelling, "IMPEACH."

There were some counter-protesters, including in Washington, where there was a brief scuffle in the crowd.

"President Trump declared a national emergency in order to spend billions of taxpayer dollars on his border wall obsession," Manar Waheed of the American Civil Liberties Union told protesters rallying in a Washington park before heading to the nearby White House fence. The ACLU has announced its intention to sue Trump over the issue.

Ana Maria Archila, co-executive director of the left-leaning Center for Popular Democracy, said the president had undertaken to "steal money that we desperately need to build a country of our dreams so that he can build a monument to racism along the border."

At one point during the rally, a counter-protester walked through the crowd toting a sign saying, "Finish the wall" on one side and "Protect the poor" on the other. Another man snatched his sign from him, sparking a short scuffle.


Can't wait for his emergency to be held up in court for a year or two

[Underscore]

Can we just clear up that America didn't actually elect Trump? The states did, geography did, the system did.

He did not win the popular vote.

He does not have a PV mandate.

[arista]

Can we just clear up that America didn't actually elect Trump? The states did, geography did, the system did.

He did not win the popular vote.

He does not have a PV mandate.


Thats the way it works in USA
Normal for them

[Underscore]

Thats the way it works in USA
Normal for them

Oh yeah definitely - and that's fine.

But I just don't agree with when people say 'America elected him' as in the people did.

[Marsh.]

This thread has taught me I need to get painting a wall in order to feel like I have contributed to society.

[Denver]

He will be out next year

[Sticks]

He will be out next year

No chance, he will wipe the floor with the UnDemocrats...

[Denver]

No chance, he will wipe the floor with the UnDemocrats...

Everyone is turning against him even some states that voted him

[Sticks]

That is not what I see in my Facebook feed from my church contacts over there, he would serve a third term if only the constitution allowed it, so loved is he by them.

The UnDemocrat president Bill Clinton once said "It's the Economy Stupid". If you look at the US economy, it has soared under Trump.

[Tom4784]

I have heard testimony from my "Friends" on Facebook who live near the border, and they have told me how vital it is for security.

Only if you live on the border can you pronounce whether it is needed or not. My contacts do and have.

A congressman, Will Hurd, representing the largest district across the border (800 miles) has rubbished a lot of the claims about the wall and he's a republican no less. He endorses a 'smart wall' which basically translates into more equipment to monitor what they've already got as currently, response times are too long to do anything about it but would be quicker with better equipment in place. It's a cheaper option that will actually help the situation rather than just help Trump's ego.

Your contacts seem very much like they've given into Trump's imaginary crisis. The stats do not lie, there is no crisis, there's no need for a wall, just modernise what they've already got.

[Tom4784]

That is not what I see in my Facebook feed from my church contacts over there, he would serve a third term if only the constitution allowed it, so loved is he by them.

The UnDemocrat president Bill Clinton once said "It's the Economy Stupid". If you look at the US economy, it has soared under Trump.

Incorrect, he has merely profitted from the work of presidents and governments before him. He hasn't done anything to help the economy, he has simply reaped the crops from the seeds that Obama has planted.

Your friends seem quite deluded, I wouldn't take stock in anything they have to say if they aren't willing to acknowledge the realities of Trump's administration.