11 and counting MPs leave main 2 parties to go Indie

[Crimson Dynamo]

all media just now

:shocked:

[bots]

theres been a lot of talk about labour mps resigning over the weekend

[arista]

Yes maybe today, GMBHD itv also claim its 10AM
These MP's say not another party?
just standing down.

If nothing happens
then its like fake news they have set up.

[smudgie]

Could be Corbyn saying he now backs a referendum:shrug:

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/mps-told-splitting-from-labour-risks-decade-of-conservative-government-11640270


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47274905

[arista]

Could be Corbyn saying he now backs a referendum:shrug:

That would be a Labour Leader news

[bots]

I think it will probably be announcing that Jeremy always throws away his mouldy jam

[joeysteele]

Could be Corbyn saying he now backs a referendum:shrug:

No, that's part of why probably there'll be some breaking away.
He doesn't really support one and doesn't want one.

These will dress it up as to their leaving likely with the antisemitism issue.
I'd guess they'd be using that issue to suit their own ends, rather than just their brexit stance.

This doesn't surprise me.
There's a lot wrong in all Parties.
Good grief, the Lib Dems only have 12 MPs, one of theirs resigned too on his personal brexit stance.

What Parties don't need are these waverers, who haven't the courage to stay and battle to reform their Parties.

Preferring instead to grab a few days or weeks media fame to suit their hope of one day being seen as relevant.

I've no time for those who fuel these rumours, then resign too.
Far better argue your points and fight for change within the Party they chose to be in and got elected for.

That comment to MPs of all Parties.

[MTVN]

My guesses:

Chuka Umuna
Luciana Berger
Ruth Smeeth
Angela Smith

Are the 4 who will resign

[Denver]

7 have resigned

[Denver]

They have gone over hatred for Jews from the party and other issues

[Oliver_W]

It's seems Corbyn isn't the messiah at all ... just a very naughty boy.

[bots]

Something had to give, i expect a load will now join them

[Kazanne]

Why doesn't Corbyn just go,he must know he is not a popular leader,Labour might do really well if he went.

[Oliver_W]

Why doesn't Corbyn just go,he must know he is not a popular leader,Labour might do really well if he went.

Charlie Fairhead from Casualty has survived several heart attacks, a decapitation, a couple of shootings and a drug overdose.

Sometimes they just don't leave.

[arista]

7 MP's just going to be Independents
Staying seated in the Labour seats

[arista]

Why doesn't Corbyn just go,he must know he is not a popular leader,Labour might do really well if he went.



Because he was voted in twice

[Kazanne]

Charlie Fairhead from Casualty has survived several heart attacks, a decapitation, a couple of shootings and a drug overdose.

Sometimes they just don't leave.

Like a turd that wont flush :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

Like a turd that wont flush :laugh:

Yup, just like a poomerang.

[arista]

Chukka is a Idiot


You are only a Independent
NO New PARTY

[arista]

1.Chuka Umunna,
2.Luciana Berger,
3. Chris Leslie,
4.Angela Smith,
5. Mike Gapes,
6.Gavin Shuker and
7.Ann Coffey.


A load of back benches
No New Party
No FUNDING


Their site is not working

[arista]

Chukka Begging for money


Just Feck Off

[bots]

They are starting an alternative party. Just stated on BBC news

[arista]

They are starting an alternative party. Just stated on BBC news




It is NOT
no funding


Also Ch4News Reporter asked why no new party

[bots]

It is NOT
no funding

doesnt mean it starts today, but that is their clear intention

[Oliver_W]

Chukka is a Idiot


You are only a Independent
NO New PARTY

1.Chuka Umunna,
2.Luciana Berger,
3. Chris Leslie,
4.Angela Smith,
5. Mike Gapes,
6.Gavin Shuker and
7.Ann Coffey.


A load of back benches
No New Party
No FUNDING


Their site is not working

They are starting an alternative party. Just stated on BBC news

It is NOT
no funding
Semantics. If they're all independent, but under the same "banner", it amounts to much the same thing.

[arista]

doesnt mean it starts today, but that is their clear intention


BBC are bollocks


Ch4News Reporter
stated "Why No New Party"



Fecking LIVE

[arista]

Semantics. If they're all independent, but under the same "banner", it amounts to much the same thing.


Yes Independents

That is ALL


NO NEW PARTY
FACT

[MTVN]

Can see a couple of Tories joining soon as well like Sarah Wollaston and Anna Soubry. There's 3 ex Labour MPs already sitting as independents so if they also join then this new party will be the 5th largest in the Commons equal with the DUP

[joeysteele]

I respect Luciana, I always have.

I'd have more respect if they all forced by elections and fought said by elections.
As for Chukka Ummuna, he couldn't cope with media intrusion before.

What we need is PR in elections.

Labour does have to really do more to eradicate this antisemitism issue.
Any elements of it are wholly wrong, anywhere in any Party.

These breakaways however seem to more want to stay in the EU, not leave at all.
They want a new vote.
Where an MP was murdered and a campaign that split the UK in two.
Who wants really, a repeat of that as these 7 appear to.

[arista]

Can see a couple of Tories joining soon as well like Sarah Wollaston and Anna Soubry. There's 3 ex Labour MPs already sitting as independents so if they also join then this new party will be the 5th largest in the Commons equal with the DUP



Maybe
but that is all?


Just 2 Women on that side



Still No Party.

[Nicky91]

honestly cannot blame them for resigning, who even wants to be in a party with that radical idiot Corbyn

[arista]

I respect Luciana, I always have.

I'd have more respect if they all forced by elections and fought said by elections.
As for Chukka Ummuna, he couldn't cope with media intrusion before.

What we need is PR in elections.

Labour does have to really do more to eradicate this antisemitism issue.
Any elements of it are wholly wrong, anywhere in any Party.

These breakaways however seem to more want to stay in the EU, not leave at all.
They want a new vote.
Where an MP was murdered and a campaign that split the UK in two.
Who wants really, a repeat of that as these 7 appear to.



No the public said no to that

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh this country needs a new party to be in charge (that's not extreme obviously) as both of our main parties are a disaster and they know that they can continue to be this crap and even drive some of their MP's away because the public don't have the courage to back the Lib Dems or the Green Party (the only other parties that could get enough people to vote for them and aren't lunatic parties) but yes we are probably gonna have PM Corbyn one day and it's all because the Tory Party are even worse.

Good luck to this alternative party if it's real, if they actually have good policies that would unite people in this country again then people should give them a chance imo rather than just sticking with the incompetence of the other two.

Rant over.:joker:

[arista]

honestly cannot blame them for resigning, who even wants to be in a party with that radical idiot Corbyn


He is the Legit Leader.



It not just about him
its Brexit as well


Bad Losers

[arista]

Tbh this country needs a new party to be in charge (that's not extreme obviously) as both of our main parties are a disaster and they know that they can continue to be this crap and even drive some of their MP's away because the public don't have the courage to back the Lib Dems or the Green Party (the only other parties that could get enough people to vote for them and aren't lunatic parties) but yes we are probably gonna have PM Corbyn one day and it's all because the Tory Party are even worse.

Good luck to this alternative party if it's real, if they actually have good policies that would unite people in this country again then people should give them a chance imo rather than just sticking with the incompetence of the other two.

Rant over.:joker:



NO FUNDING for a new party

[Nicky91]

He is the Legit Leader.



It not just about him
its Brexit as well


Bad Losers

yes but if they don't want to be in this party, then they made a good choice with resigning from it

[Mystic Mock]

He is the Legit Leader.



It not just about him
its Brexit as well


Bad Losers

I didn't know that trying to keep this country's finances stable was about winning or losing.

The Tory Party and Corbyn have both wanted Brexit, but don't know how to compromise with the EU so that we don't get severely knocked about by Brexit.

[arista]

"The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few moments."

https://www.theindependent.group/


They set up their site yesterday

[arista]

I didn't know that trying to keep this country's finances stable was about winning or losing.

The Tory Party and Corbyn have both wanted Brexit, but don't know how to compromise with the EU so that we don't get severely knocked about by Brexit.


Chukka and Chris Leslie MP's
did not get their 2nd referendum

[joeysteele]

Tbh this country needs a new party to be in charge (that's not extreme obviously) as both of our main parties are a disaster and they know that they can continue to be this crap and even drive some of their MP's away because the public don't have the courage to back the Lib Dems or the Green Party (the only other parties that could get enough people to vote for them and aren't lunatic parties) but yes we are probably gonna have PM Corbyn one day and it's all because the Tory Party are even worse.

Good luck to this alternative party if it's real, if they actually have good policies that would unite people in this country again then people should give them a chance imo rather than just sticking with the incompetence of the other two.

Rant over.:joker:


A new Party cannot gain electoral success on a big scale in this electoral system.
PR would assist it.

The Conservative party will never support PR.
Breakaways like this, will only ensure a likely majority Conservative government in power.
As it did in the 80s.

Apart from Luciana, I have little to no respect for the other 6.

Chukka Ummunna could have been leading Labour.
He withdrew as he couldn't take the media intrusion into him and his family.
I wonder how he'll cope now.

Force by elections and fight them.
The want a peoples vote, give their own constituents a vote right now, to see if they agree with them today.

I won't hold my breath on that one however.

[Oliver_W]

"The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few moments."

independentgroup.org.uk


They set up their site yesterday

Did you try again in a few moments? It works fine.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4596&stc=1&d=1550488255

[reece(:]

They've been rather insensitive to put this motion into action literally the day following Paul Flynn's passing

[Mystic Mock]

A new Party cannot gain electoral success on a big scale in this electoral system.
PR would assist it.

The Conservative party will never support PR.
Breakaways like this, will only ensure a likely majority Conservative government in power.
As it did in the 80s.

Apart from Luciana, I have little to no respect for the other 6.

Chukka Ummunna could have been leading Labour.
He withdrew as he couldn't take the media intrusion into him and his family.
I wonder how he'll cope now.

Force by elections and fight them.
The want a peoples vote, give their own constituents a vote right now, to see if they agree with them today.

I won't hold my breath on that one however.

Tbh it's borderline a dictatorship the way that this country is run sometimes.

I don't really know that much about the MP's that have left the Labour Party, but I definitely can't blame them for leaving the wreck that is the Labour Party at the moment.

[arista]

Did you try again in a few moments? It works fine.

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4596&stc=1&d=1550488255


WRONG LINK



Its a load of bollocks

[arista]

They've been rather insensitive to put this motion into action literally the day following Paul Flynn's passing


It was booked for Monday


Why No By Elections
because they would not win.

[arista]

Tbh it's borderline a dictatorship the way that this country is run sometimes.

I don't really know that much about the MP's that have left the Labour Party, but I definitely can't blame them for leaving the wreck that is the Labour Party at the moment.


Leaving to do what?
No Party set up


Its a Farce, so far

[arista]

https://twitter.com/TheIndepGroup


https://www.theindependent.group/
Their Site

At this time : 503 Service Unavailable



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzrrAbRXcAAwU30.jpg

[arista]

Seven Labour MPs appear to have automated de-selection.
0 replies 0 retweets 9 likes


Its like thew SDP
all over again
with a Brexit twist

[LBC Reporter tweet:
This is the point most people miss. If the metric of success is displacing Labour or
even getting many MPs elected then this will fail. Their aim, instead, is to help destroy Corbynism.]

[Cherie]

They've been rather insensitive to put this motion into action literally the day following Paul Flynn's passing

I doubt they dreamt this up before breakfast this morning

[bots]

The common narrative is that all 7 left because they couldn't work with the current labour party, for whatever reason. They are also correct in that british politics does have to move forward because what we have now isn't working. It doesn't mean they have an answer, they are just highlighting a problem that everyone is aware of. People do want more choice than what is currently available. Whether that means the majority of MP's become independent or whatever, who knows, but it is high time things changed

[user104658]

The entire system needs changed to be quite honest, it's not just that the main parties are a shambles, the voting patterns and political leanings of the general population are simply diversifying to the point where "First Past The Post" is no longer fit for purpose. We need an entirely different electoral system that involves some variety of PR.

[BBDodge]

Why doesn't Corbyn just go,he must know he is not a popular leader,Labour might do really well if he went.

Quite. He lost the last election. Doing less worse than expected doesn't make him a worthy leader.

Labour will lose the next election if he stays, no matter how big a mess the Tories make.

[arista]

Quite. He lost the last election. Doing less worse than expected doesn't make him a worthy leader.

Labour will lose the next election if he stays, no matter how big a mess the Tories make.


Yes he lost the Last Election
but made the Conservatives
then had to buy the DUP 's help
as it was a close Hung Parliament.

[Oliver_W]

Yes he lost the Last Election
but made the Conservatives
then had to buy the DUP 's help
as it was a close Hung Parliament.

There was a small window of time when Corbyn looked like a credible leader - if the snap election had been instant, Labour would have been wiped out. If it was held now (without the previous one having happened) they'd take a beating.

But somehow, Corbyn grew a shiny halo that just lasted long enough for the snap election to not totally suck for him.

[arista]

The entire system needs changed to be quite honest, it's not just that the main parties are a shambles, the voting patterns and political leanings of the general population are simply diversifying to the point where "First Past The Post" is no longer fit for purpose. We need an entirely different electoral system that involves some variety of PR.


We had a Vote on that
Clegg set that up
It Failed.


The 7 MP's are not enough

This Helps the Conswervatives

[arista]

There was a small window of time when Corbyn looked like a credible leader - if the snap election had been instant, Labour would have been wiped out. If it was held now (without the previous one having happened) they'd take a beating.

But somehow, Corbyn grew a shiny halo that just lasted long enough for the snap election to not totally suck for him.


SDP all over again
These 7 back benches - do not matter




[The Independent Group of MPs is supported by Gemini A Ltd a company limited by guarantee.

Registered address:
3rd Floor
1 Ashley Road
Altrincham
Cheshire
WA14 2DT
UK]


No London Office

[user104658]

But somehow, Corbyn grew a shiny halo that just lasted long enough for the snap election to not totally suck for him.

I'm pretty sure that "somehow" was the Tory party being in incompetent chaos with constant infighting and bickering, and a leader fighting for something that she was campaigning against a year earlier. It's not really a mystery :joker:.

[arista]

The common narrative is that all 7 left because they couldn't work with the current labour party, for whatever reason. They are also correct in that british politics does have to move forward because what we have now isn't working. It doesn't mean they have an answer, they are just highlighting a problem that everyone is aware of. People do want more choice than what is currently available. Whether that means the majority of MP's become independent or whatever, who knows, but it is high time things changed


Yes

I am looking forward to the
By Elections of all of them

Apart from 2
the rest are not known much.

[arista]

[Our economy is underperforming. Too many of us live in poverty, or struggle to make ends meet.]

Thats from the 7 MP's site
https://www.theindependent.group/

But its a Labour Line


They have no chance - Its a fecking farce
SDP all over again

[arista]

https://www.theindependent.group/donate/donate-1


Send your Money into these Losers
Starts at £5

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/19/02/768x432/skynews-luciana-berger-chuka-umunna_4581832.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190218102646


Its like a UKIP start up,
only they are all 7 of them , Remoaners

[bots]

I'm getting the impression that Arista is not entirely happy with this breakaway .... it's very subtle, but it's there none the less :pipe2:

[arista]

I'm getting the impression that Arista is not entirely happy with this breakaway .... it's very subtle, but it's there none the less :pipe2:


They are Pathetic
2017 Election
They all stood for Brexit.

I hate Chukka (New Labour)
as he was going to be a Leader
before Corbyn.
But was scared his White Wife
would leave him.
And then stood down



Also None of them are Brave enough for a By Election


https://theindependentgroup.ams3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.co m/assets/images/_mpPhoto/TheIndpendentGroup_Gavin.jpg
This MP's Zone want a By Election
but he is one of the 7
and is Chicken

[Crimson Dynamo]

Only labour can be more unelectable than the current Tories

You couldn't make it up

[arista]

Only labour can be more unelectable than the current Tories

You couldn't make it up


This is why loads of Labour MP's are angry
as they will be out of power , even longer

[Crimson Dynamo]

The problem Labour have
is they have Marxist as a leader

Period

[user104658]

Honestly I reckon if the still had rubbery faced Ed as leader they'd be flying right now. Being a bit weird eating a sandwich and having a bad PR team in general isn't looking so bad, considering.

[bots]

Honestly I reckon if the still had rubbery faced Ed as leader they'd be flying right now. Being a bit weird eating a sandwich and having a bad PR team in general isn't looking so bad, considering.

i reckon if they had a banana in charge rather than Corbyn they would win an election

[Northern Monkey]

Good on em.

It was bound to happen.The current iteration of Labour don’t represent the values of many Labour voters.

Whether it takes off or not is another story.

I don’t think these seven would have done this on their own without having discussed it with other MP’s first.
There more than likely will be more to come.

[Northern Monkey]

Honestly I reckon if the still had rubbery faced Ed as leader they'd be flying right now. Being a bit weird eating a sandwich and having a bad PR team in general isn't looking so bad, considering.

All is forgiven Ed!

[arista]

All is forgiven Ed!


No one liked him
They wanted his Brother.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DzsTnXZW0AEYhwD.jpg

and
a tweet Lewis Goodall LBC :
[Ian Dunt
‏Verified account @IanDunt
6h6 hours ago

If I was setting up a new centrist party I'd call it 'Feck The Lot Of You]


I changed a letter in the F word.

[arista]

The problem Labour have
is they have Marxist as a leader

Period


Sure but he was Elected Twice

[joeysteele]

They are Pathetic
2017 Election
They all stood for Brexit.

I hate Chukka (New Labour)
as he was going to be a Leader
before Corbyn.
But was scared his White Wife
would leave him.
And then stood down



Also None of them are Brave enough for a By Election


https://theindependentgroup.ams3.cdn.digitaloceanspaces.co m/assets/images/_mpPhoto/TheIndpendentGroup_Gavin.jpg
This MP's Zone want a By Election
but he is one of the 7
and is Chicken


All well said arista.

[Underscore]

I am very happy with this. Finally someone is doing something to force the labour leadership to finally tackle the rising issue of anti semitism which is now institutionally engrained within the Labour Party.

[Shaun]

I have trouble believing Angela is a staunch opponent of racism :eyes:

1097487967730483201

(yes, yes, probably just an awful choice of wording, etc.)

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/02/18/11/9955238-6716379-image-a-70_1550490757882.jpg

[arista]

I am very happy with this. Finally someone is doing something to force the labour leadership to finally tackle the rising issue of anti semitism which is now institutionally engrained within the Labour Party.


They are just back benchers
No Money for a New Party

[Twosugars]

honestly, if Arista says "no money for new party" once again :facepalm:

hold your water Arista, let's wait and see

[arista]

honestly, if Arista says "no money for new party" once again :facepalm:

hold your water Arista, let's wait and see


[Is it a political party?

No. It is a small business - technically a limited company - called Gemini A Ltd that was set up Gavin Shuker, one of the MPs, in January.]

[Cherie]

honestly, if Arista says "no money for new party" once again :facepalm:

hold your water Arista, let's wait and see

:laugh:i heard they had some backing

[bots]

i do think they are going to need some heavy hitters to join with them if it is to gain any traction. It is early days, but i think in the immediate future all they are doing is making sure that they don't need to follow any labour whip on the brexit vote. It may attract others for that very reason.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/02/18/11/9953948-6716379-image-a-66_1550487903549.jpg

[Underscore]

Farage has said this could and is leading to a re-alignment in British politics. Can't stand the fella but I hope it's true what he thinks.

Labour and the Tories work for no-one but themselves

[Twosugars]

exactly, what bots says
Arista would expect them to turn into a political mover and shaker overnight
at this point this is simply a mass defection; only brexit will tell if they attract more people; only then they can start thinking of turning it into a party with grassroots, a programme etc
it takes time :shrug:

[arista]

exactly, what bots says
Arista would expect them to turn into a political mover and shaker overnight
at this point this is simply a mass defection; only brexit will tell if they attract more people; only then they can start thinking of turning it into a party with grassroots, a programme etc
it takes time :shrug:


Bollocks I would.

The 7 are Pathetic


It's First Past the Post

[Oliver_W]

I have trouble believing Angela is a staunch opponent of racism :eyes:

1097487967730483201

(yes, yes, probably just an awful choice of wording, etc.)

I can see what she was trying to say, it evidently came from the right place, it was just worded badly.

[arista]

honestly, if Arista says "no money for new party" once again :facepalm:

hold your water Arista, let's wait and see


You Wait and See

They are all Remoaners

[Twosugars]

You Wait and See

They are all Remoaners

that's what we need, not Brex****ters

[Nicky91]

that's what we need, not Brex****ters

the brexiteers will crawl back anyway after 29th of March, once they found out about brexit having so many negative effects on UK (apart from that one positive thing of independence)

[arista]

that's what we need, not Brex****ters

"we"





Bollocks

[arista]

[Venue for The Independent Group launch this morning has day delegate
rate of around £130. Three rooms hired at total capacity 110.
It wasn't cheap. Was billed to splitter MP Gavin Shuker's firm Gemini 1 - so we can't know where
the money came from]

[Twosugars]

"we"





Bollocks

bollocks to your bollocks

[arista]

bollocks to your bollocks


how nice

[joeysteele]

The antisemitism issue aside because no doubt all Parties have rumblings of elements of it.
However Labour has the bigger problem I concede and will have to clear it out completely.

However, this lot want a new referendum on the EU.
Also to hopefully stay in the EU too.

The Lib Dems want that and languish in the polls.

Not a single one of this lot is even of the shadow cabinet.
They are not names like Shirley Williams, Roy Jenkins and David Owen.

They'd have been better staying and working to get proper PR in elections.
Not AV which is a poor excuse for PR really.

Under first past the post, new Parties don't change the 2 party system.
It just helps the Party they haven't left.
Independents just get swallowed up over time.

No PR is coming, the Conservatives will never support that.
So all I can see is whoever is the Conservative leader in the next election.
They'll be near assured of victory.

Then once Corbyn has gone.
The tide is likely to turn to Labour in a few years.

Leaving this sorry lot out in the political wilderness.
With an electorate hating their action taken today.

[arista]

Great Points Joey

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good points, yes

[Underscore]

Anna Soubry has removed the word 'Conservative' from her twitter bio.

A clue?

[Crimson Dynamo]

we need an independent Scotland away from this vile English political mess pronto

[Underscore]

we need an independent Scotland away from this vile English political mess pronto

indy yorkshire first

[Livia]

the brexiteers will crawl back anyway after 29th of March, once they found out about brexit having so many negative effects on UK (apart from that one positive thing of independence)

Sigh.

[Northern Monkey]

Atleast when they become a party they can get rid of the boring ‘Independent Group’ name.

Maybe ‘The Funny Tinge Party’?

[bots]

Nobody could care less that 7 insignificant people have left the labour party. Wake me up when its 70

[arista]

LT edit your title

They are now 8

A Labour MP from Enfield has joined them

Joan Ryan Labour MP.

[Cherie]

Nobody could care less that 7 insignificant people have left the labour party. Wake me up when its 70

Only 62 to go

[arista]

Enfield North MP Joan Ryan has resigned from Labour,

https://news.sky.com/story/joan-ryan-becomes-eighth-mp-to-quit-labour-to-join-independent-group-11642422

So its now 8

[joeysteele]

Enfield North MP Joan Ryan has resigned from Labour,

https://news.sky.com/story/joan-ryan-becomes-eighth-mp-to-quit-labour-to-join-independent-group-11642422

So its now 8

Who is she?:joker:

It's now being said some likely insignificant Conservative MPs might be joining them too.

[Marsh.]

the brexiteers will crawl back anyway after 29th of March, once they found out about brexit having so many negative effects on UK (apart from that one positive thing of independence)

:pat:

[JoshBB]

It's a shame that our FPTP system doesn't allow new parties to develop properly and have a diverse mix of parties representative of the UK's political spectrum.

I hope this new party can become a strong voice for Remain and common sense politics- with a focus on rational evidence-backed politics rather than emotional knee-jerk responses to issues our country faces.

[Twosugars]

It's a shame that our FPTP system doesn't allow new parties to develop properly and have a diverse mix of parties representative of the UK's political spectrum.

I hope this new party can become a strong voice for Remain and common sense politics- with a focus on rational evidence-backed politics rather than emotional knee-jerk responses to issues our country faces.

fptp distorts the political spectrum big time; ok, it may promote a single-party government but coalitions can work too
as it is people feel disinfranchised bc they don't have proper representation in parliament
as much as I hate them, UKIP is a good case in point: in 2015 the Tories got 11.3m votes and 329 seats, while Ukip got one seat for 3.9m votes. That's ridiculous.

[bots]

I'm afraid the group needs to consist of more high profile members before it will gain any credibility. They haven't got off to the greatest of starts.

[arista]

Who is she?:joker:

It's now being said some likely insignificant Conservative MPs might be joining them too.

https://e3.365dm.com/19/02/768x432/skynews-joan-ryan-mp-joan-ryan_4583505.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190219221822
Joan Ryan
A Big Anti Corbyn MP

From the Conservatives
it could be DR.Sara first
as she is 100% Anti Brexit.


This Group
have no Manifesto
unless they become a proper party
of losers.

[bots]

The only purpose of this group that I can see is to collect cross party mp's together that are anti-brexit. Which means that it has a shelf life that will last to the end of March. It could be quite interesting to see exactly which MP's want to defy the referendum result, but thats about as far as it goes.

[Nicky91]

yes she was for 40 yrs in the Labour party

i guess this makes an impact to see one of your veteran members resign

[arista]

yes she was for 40 yrs in the Labour party

i guess this makes an impact to see one of your veteran members resign


No
the impact is local
but not one of these MP's
is doing a By Election

She is a veteran that has not been on main news

[arista]

GMBHD itv at 8:05AM (From Robert Peston)
Claimed 4 Conservatives are getting ready to jump to this loser group.


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/02/20/08/10035284-0-image-a-3_1550650599687.jpg
On the right DR. Sarah Wollaston Conservative MP "could " jump today

[joeysteele]

yes she was for 40 yrs in the Labour party

i guess this makes an impact to see one of your veteran members resign

It should be a concern.
As s Labour Party member myself.
It doesn't me.
Only 18 months ago, all these MP's fought an election on the manifesto Labour had.
Why.

Why didn't they stand as Independents then.

I voted remain in the referendum.
The Labour election manifesto said they'd too leave the EU.

All these 8 want to stay in really and if big enough would work for that aim.
So they deceived the voters who elected them in 2017.
With much greater majorities in their seats too.

People can be married for 40 years then divorce and even act like they hate each other.
Most of this lot, not Luciana, would not have left if Corbyn had proposed a what they call peoples vote.

Yet they refuse to seek their constituents support in a mini peoples vote in by elections in their seats.

Hypocrites mostly and Democrats no way.

However, unless something does begin to totally purge any with the smallest of antisemitic views in the Party, and other Parties.
This will lead to more now going.
I think myself,.we are at the point where a fully independent investigations, into all Parties of antisemitism, racism .xenophobia and Islamaphobia is now needed.

Not the Parties internal machinery doing the investigating.

These runaways however, until elected again as Independents get no full respect from me.
Nor any other MPs from any other Party too that join them without fighting a by election.

[bots]

The current political system elects individuals to parliament, not political parties. On that basis, there is no requirement to call a by election. Morally, it is questionable to continue but not legally. I find it quite amusing because they are basically using morality as their basis for leaving the party, but that doesn't extend to their moral obligations on which they were elected in the first place.

[arista]

She is Live on SkyNewsHD All Out Politics
now

[joeysteele]

The current political system elects individuals to parliament, not political parties. On that basis, there is no requirement to call a by election. Morally, it is questionable to continue but not legally. I find it quite amusing because they are basically using morality as their basis for leaving the party, but that doesn't extend to their moral obligations on which they were elected in the first place.

If that's so why have Parties at all.
I agree legally they don't need to fight a by election.
I think however, anyone elected as a Party MP, who then leaves that Party.
The Party itself should be able to call a by election.
That's a change I'd like to see and fight for.

We elect Conservative or Labour governments.
Not Independents.

If they want to be independent why fight an election under a Party manifesto.

They asked the voters to elect them as Labour MPs.
Which the voters did.

If they no longer wish to remain the Party or Government MP.
Then they should first seek the support of the people who elected them.

Of course we elect Parties.
Imagine electing a government.
Who then has many of it's MPs deciding not to support that government anymore and leaving the Party.
That Party government would be in chaos.

They are screaming for a new EU vote.
Hold one themselves in by elections.

If. I stress if, then got elected again as independents, that could strengthen their argument for a new EU vote.

They won't, because they're cowards and know they'd lose the by elections probably.

[arista]

Yes they will all get washed away
at the next General Election

[Livia]

It's a shame that long-standing members of the Labour party no longer recognise their party. It would be nice if lots of centrist MPs left their respective parties and formed a new one. Pie in the sky I know, but The Tories have bungled the whole Brexit thing, and we've got an old Soviet nostalgist running Labour. We need another choice.

[reece(:]

I wanna know how they differ from the Lib Dems...?

[bots]

I think the timing of this is no coincidence. While I think there are genuine issues when those with extreme views get control of a party, this has been ongoing with Labour for a while. I believe this is timed to try and get traction for an anti brexit result, so I am skeptical to say the least about their intentions.

[joeysteele]

I wanna know how they differ from the Lib Dems...?

In reality they don't.
However the Lib Dem label is still toxic too.

It's surprising how quiet Lib Dems have been so far.
I know they struggle to get on the media but really.

Maybe it is time for a new alignment.
However I still think and would campaign for, now full PR in elections.
Which would much more likely bring that about.

Removing the extremes of both sides of the political divide hopefully.

[Nicky91]

In reality they don't.
However the Lib Dem label is still toxic too.

It's surprising how quiet Lib Dems have been so far.
I know they struggle to get on the media but really.

Maybe it is time for a new alignment.
However I still think and would campaign for, now full PR in elections.
Which would much more likely bring that about.

Removing the extremes of both sides of the political divide hopefully.

same as the democrats party here in my country, the arrogance from them and how they were literally almost crying last provincial elections here when they lost many voters :hehe:

(PVDA) dem was a biggest party here in the past, but now it's one of the weaker parties out of the longest running ones

[arista]

I wanna know how they differ from the Lib Dems...?


Yes their Words on their site are
taken from Labour and Lib Dem Manifesto's

[arista]

3 Conservative have now Jumped

[arista]

Heidi Allen MP
Anna Soubry MP
Dr. Sarah Wollaston MP


3 EX Conservatives

LT New Total
11

https://e3.365dm.com/19/02/768x432/anna-soubry-heidi-allen-sarah-wollaston_4583854.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190220111934
Anna Soubry (L), Heidi Allen and Sarah Wollaston (R) have quit the Conservative Party

https://news.sky.com/story/live-speculation-more-mps-will-quit-to-join-independent-group-11642586

[Northern Monkey]

Well that’s ruined it.The horrific Soubry has joined.Bye

[MTVN]

Tbh Heidi Allen and Wollaston have opposed the government on most things over the last few years anyway. For Soubry it's all about Brexit obviously

The group now have as many MPs as the Lib Dems

[Wizard.]

We love them fuqing sh*t up!

[reece(:]

Love Soubry and Wollaston :love:

[arista]

Tbh Heidi Allen and Wollaston have opposed the government on most things over the last few years anyway. For Soubry it's all about Brexit obviously

The group now have as many MPs as the Lib Dems


Yes they are all Remoaners
and Corbyn haters.

But the LibDems are a legit party


This bunch can not afford to be a Political Party
yet.

[arista]

Love Soubry and Wollaston :love:


Next Election
both gone

[arista]

We love them fuqing sh*t up!


But these women ex conservatives
have been with ex labours Chukka's group
for over a year.


Only 3 so far

But Labour has lost 8

[reece(:]

But these women ex conservatives
have been with ex labours Chukka's group
for over a year.


Only 3 so far

But Labour has lost 8

Con MP on Politics Live said more conservatives (including ministers) have considered this move

[arista]

Con MP on Politics Live said more conservatives (including ministers) have considered this move



Yes loads say they might.


But on Politics Live BBC2HD
Phillip Lee , Conservatives, demands a 2nd vote
Hates Brexit but is staying put.


He may want to stay after the next General Election

[arista]

https://e3.365dm.com/19/02/768x432/skynews-wollaston-allen-soubry_4583876.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190220113556


https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/the-tory-defections-to-the-independent-group-could-help-corbyn/

[arista]

The 3 Ex Conservatives MP's are seated in Parliament now
on the other side up by the DUP
up top
with the 8 Ex Labour MP's




Its Anti Brexit and Anti Corbyn Group of MP's

[Underscore]

Well done. amazing women!

1098189065164386304

[arista]

"amazing women!"


No her zone Voted Leave
She Demands to Remain
No Democracy with her.

Next General Election she will go.

[Livia]

Never thought I'd hear anyone refer to Anna Soubry as an "amazing woman".

[joeysteele]

Never thought I'd hear anyone refer to Anna Soubry as an "amazing woman".

Nor me.

[arista]

Another New Conference
with the 3 new additions talking


3 Conservatives


Not the new Labour addition on the panel.

To introduce their storys.

SkyNewsHD

BBCnewsHD has joined BBC World news
for this.

[arista]

Live now all media.


Heidi talking first
a New MP only started in 2015


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz2i9-YWwAAQhpH.jpg

[reece(:]

RM8cfNoGNaw

[user104658]

Labservatives? Labourvatives? Conbour? ... Conservabour? :think:

[user104658]

Conslabvitarians. :thumbs: nailed it.

[arista]

Conslabvitarians. :thumbs: nailed it.


Its the Anti Brexit Group


Lacking big funding for a new party, at this time

[Vicky.]

It's a shame that long-standing members of the Labour party no longer recognise their party. It would be nice if lots of centrist MPs left their respective parties and formed a new one. Pie in the sky I know, but The Tories have bungled the whole Brexit thing, and we've got an old Soviet nostalgist running Labour. We need another choice.

This.

[user104658]

Its the Anti Brexit Group


Labantibrexatives.

[arista]

Labantibrexatives.



Good Fast One
TS

[user104658]

A decent, sensible centrist party separate from the century-long Labour / Conservative nonsense is something this country desperately needs, to be fair. Not sure that can be delivered by ex-Tories and Labourites, though.

[reece(:]

Anna dragging May for getting into bed with the ERG just weeks after they voted no confidence in her :clap1:

[arista]

[13:57

Could you rejoin the Conservative Party?
Soubry and Allen both say flatly "no". Wollaston doesn't answer the question but says
there was no effort made by the prime minister or whips office to keep her in the party.]

[arista]

A decent, sensible centrist party separate from the century-long Labour / Conservative nonsense is something this country desperately needs, to be fair. Not sure that can be delivered by ex-Tories and Labourites, though.



But will that Group
get bigger funding to become a Party?
Its very expensive

And if brexit happens
what will they become
dust?

[bots]

the only thing that unites this group is opposition to brexit .... they are at different ends of the political spectrum in everything else. The way I see it, they have taken this action to go against the wishes of the electorate that they re supposed to be representing. It's not a good look.

[user104658]

the only thing that unites this group is opposition to brexit .... they are at different ends of the political spectrum in everything else. The way I see it, they have taken this action to go against the wishes of the electorate that they re supposed to be representing. It's not a good look.

Depends on the voting percentages for Brexit in their respective constituencies, I suppose, as at the end of the day an MP's only loyalty should be to their own voters and the best interests of their own constituency.

[reece(:]

Anna: Colleagues (unnamed) frightened of de-selection if they do not vote one way

End the political blackmail!

[Mitchell]

It’s a shame about the voting record as Heidi Allen’s speech was brilliant tbh

[arista]

Anna: Colleagues (unnamed) frightened of de-selection if they do not vote one way

End the political blackmail!



Thats Nick Bowels Conservative MP
who is staying put
he is tough enough.


The De-Selection is more in Labour.
But so far no one has had it

[reece(:]

It’s a shame about the voting record as Heidi Allen’s speech was brilliant tbh
Looked this up earlier and was shocked of her record, such as voting against climate change and a number of human rights.. but what particularly baffled was her EU votes, considering the group she's now joined

I liked her speech though

[arista]

"I liked her speech though "


Of course you would reece
it was young and fresh.


But after Brexit
what are they?

[reece(:]

"I liked her speech though "


Of course you would reece
it was young and fresh.


But after Brexit
what are they?
I think we have to wait and see how this develops, Anna said in conference the group agrees over a plethora of issues within the central movement

I am interested to see where this goes though as politics do need shaking up

[arista]

I think we have to wait and see how this develops, Anna said in conference the group agrees over a plethora of issues within the central movement

I am interested to see where this goes though as politics do need shaking up


Are you going to send a Donation?


I am not

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz21UccWoAAkAKj.jpg:large


The 11 MP's

[Mitchell]

Looked this up earlier and was shocked of her record, such as voting against climate change and a number of human rights.. but what particularly baffled was her EU votes, considering the group she's now joined

I liked her speech though
Yeah it puts me off her, if she didn’t have that voting record behind her, I would be very openly supporting her, now I’m not sure.

[user104658]

Yeah it puts me off her, if she didn’t have that voting record behind her, I would be very openly supporting her, now I’m not sure.Well at worst she believes in the things she voted for, at best she's been weak and has been pressured into voting for things that she didn't want to vote for.

Neither is a good sign though.

[reece(:]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz21UccWoAAkAKj.jpg:large


The 11 MP's

But will the ex-tory trio ditch the blue? :think:

[bots]

i think this party is crying out for someone like Boris to join them

[user104658]

But will the ex-tory trio ditch the blue? :think:Surely they should all be in Purple. But I guess UKIP has ruined that forever.

[arista]

But will the ex-tory trio ditch the blue? :think:


Are you on about their Clothes?

[arista]

Surely they should all be in Purple. But I guess UKIP has ruined that forever.


They still use that color
Still around but No MP's


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz21lASX0AAGi0F.jpg
A bird flew in

[bots]

i think they should all wear hats with the EU stars on them

[arista]

i think they should all wear hats with the EU stars on them


Yes
Good One

[arista]

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/02/chris-leslie-interview-labour-have-massively-underestimated-new-centrist-party

Cocky Chris Leslie MP gives a interview

[arista]

[Labour shuts down campaign tools
after Independent Group MP
tries to steal data.

Labour spokesperson: “We have become aware
of attempts to access personal data
held on the party’s systems by individuals
who are not authorised to do so.”]

[Greg!]

Anna Soubry and the gal who kept flipping her hair backwards during her speech attacking the Tories’ handling of the welfare system are icons

[Crimson Dynamo]

Bunch of deadbeats

[Twosugars]

good luck to them, anything to disturb the awful status quo of the stallinist corbyn and vampiric rees-mogg

[arista]

good luck to them, anything to disturb the awful status quo of the stallinist corbyn and vampiric rees-mogg


General Election
they could all be gone

Thats the real test.

[arista]

Anna Soubry
Local Conservative Party are now selecting a New Member
her area vote to leave.
But she ignored them.

Ref: BBC1 news.

[arista]

If you Love Anna

Give her ring tomorrow from 10AM-1PM Live
On LBC her one day filling in for the normal left wing fella
on holiday all week.

[Mitchell]

We love McBusted

[arista]

Ch4HD news in Anna Soubry
local area Broxtowe, Nottinghamshire
met the Labour members office
who say no one wants her now ,
no one likes her.

She is live on Ch4HD news.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/02/20/18/article-6724121-10056150-506_964x543.jpg

[joeysteele]

The thing on this too is.
Where, if this becomes a Party which with more defections it could.

Where does this leave the hapless Lib Dems.
Even a wholly hard right Conservative Party and a wholly hard left Labour Party, are still in this electoral system, going to dominate the votes.
Between them or more to one or the other.

This grouping, are like a more non toxic Lib Dems.
I can't now see a future for the Lib Dems at all unless they align with this group.
Having to have to drop the Lib Dem name.

Who says politics are dull.

For me now, The next Conservative leader needs to reach out more and have more leadership qualities in office.
Also to compromise and really listen, not just hear people's voices.

Corbyn must and very soon,.actively and forcefully rid the Labour Party of every single individual with any antisemitic views.
If he's not going to do so.
Then he should go, also it may already be too late for him to both have the will or ability now to do so in many peoples eyes.
I also know those who hate him, identify him as the problem to clearing it out.
I don't hold to that view of him myself, ..... yet.

Words are easy however, action is needed and strong action which he needs to exert to gain any credibility on the issue.

I am furious and dismayed any Jewish person, family or community, feel any concerns in the UK.
That is and should be a Nationwide disgrace.

This new grouping however, in the main want to really remain in the EU.
Also want a new vote on it.

Corbyn has been right to resist calling for a new vote.
As is the government.
Because any new referendum would need 3 questions.
The deal, whatever is on offer.
Leave with no deal.
Remain on current.terms.

That will split votes.
I think bring a worse, closer and even indecisive result.

Solving nothing.
So for me, this new grouping and how they are all going to stick to their so called long held principles and vital policies,to construct anything they all could comfortably agree on as a manifesto.
I think that will be a major problem.

United on brexit but big divisions as, if they do, more join them on other issues and policies.
That's likely another story.

[bots]

if we look at all this logically, if big numbers of conservatives move over to this new group, the conservatives would be forced to call a general election as they wouldnt have the numbers. If that were to happen, most of this new group would lose their seats .... and then it goes back to the 2 party system with maybe 1 or 2 independents at best.

[arista]

if we look at all this logically, if big numbers of conservatives move over to this new group, the conservatives would be forced to call a general election as they wouldnt have the numbers. If that were to happen, most of this new group would lose their seats .... and then it goes back to the 2 party system with maybe 1 or 2 independents at best.


Yes If any more Conservatives go
Call a General Election.
Wash them Away.
LBC thinks a couple more

But so far they they expect more from Labour
to jump ship.

[arista]

Anna Soubry is Live on LBC at 10AM
her own show until 1PM



She had a Old Guy Very Angry
with her.

[Oliver_W]

Anna Soubry is Live on LBC at 10AM
her own show until 1PM



She had a Old Guy Very Angry
with her.

Is it regular, or one-off?

[arista]

Is it regular, or one-off?


One Day Only
the Left Wing fella is on a week holiday.


She is getting angry callers

[smudgie]

I detest Mz Soubry.
All her insistence she knows what’s best etc, she is an MP to represent her constituents, not her own point of view.
What is the point of the public getting a vote if their representatives don’t back that vote in parliament for them?

[arista]

I detest Mz Soubry.
All her insistence she knows what’s best etc, she is an MP to represent her constituents, not her own point of view.
What is the point of the public getting a vote if their representatives don’t back that vote in parliament for them?


Yes she is over cocky.

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/4954/production/_105727781_daily-mail-front-page.jpg

Pathetic Heidi Allen wants to kill them off
try to - but soon at a Election - you will be gone

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/BE84/production/_105727784_i-front-page-21-feb.jpg

[arista]

Reports a Labour Funder may switch to
this Group to Fund them
in today's Telegraph.


Back when the 2 Conservatives
left David Cameron for UKIP
they had by elections
So that is what this scared bunch must do.


If The PM calls another Snap Election (because of her Brexit blockage)
this bunch will all get washed away

[MTVN]

Confirmed they will start a new party

[Vicky.]

I don't know what to think of this. I do admire them for sticking to their views so much that this has happened, and I do think that its basically an emergency, this Corbyn thing now as people (especially women and Jewish people) are leaving the Labour party in droves. I think the damage he is doing to the party may be irreparable. So Torys basically will rule for a long time. Corbyn DID seem the answer, I mean, people on here will know I was maybe one of his biggest cheerleaders a couple of years back, but I have done a total 180 now..and honestly, currently if there was an election tomorrow, as much as I detest the Tories (I mean, I have a disability and will be treat worse by Tory rule than most others..have been treat..) I could not vote for Labour with Corbyn at the helm..I just couldn't. And lets be honest, its going to be a choice between Labour and Tories for the foreseeable future, maybe forever, thats just how it is. Local elections, I would vote for my Labour MP as he is amazing and has helped me a fair few times with tribunals waiting times, and being told I had to sign onto jobseekers when ATOS declared me cured, but then being refused jobseekers as I was 'clearly not fit for work and I would be breaking the law to say you were fine to look for jobs' :umm2: But a general election..I would probably abstain, which is likely the same as voting Tory.

[arista]

(I would probably abstain)

What about a Snap Election
no time for you to abstain
Vicky.

[Vicky.]

Why would a snap election mean I couldn't spoil my ballot? :suspect:

[Underscore]

A snap election will be my first time voting, and I definitely won't be abstaining.

Too many young people don't use their voices, and people have died for our right to vote. I'll vote every single election.

[Vicky.]

See I used to think like that, about people dying for our right to vote..but making myself vote, I say I would actually lean more towards Tories than Labour :umm2: As I said, anything else is a wasted vote...and I would feel so wrong actually voting Tory when they basically would rather I crawl off to a corner and die so they can get their disabled numbers down :/ Voting for them would be destroying my life even more..its totaly against my personal best interests, however, I do now think Corbyn would utterly **** the country. For a few reasons..and some of them he has already decided he will definitely do..

[arista]

Why would a snap election mean I couldn't spoil my ballot? :suspect:


Sure
nothing can stop your right to not vote.

[arista]

A snap election will be my first time voting, and I definitely won't be abstaining.

Too many young people don't use their voices, and people have died for our right to vote. I'll vote every single election.



But the LibDems are losing support
because of this New Independent Group of MP's
who may get more MP's this week

[Vicky.]

Clegg ****ed the lib dems so much. They were gaining a lot of support..and might possibly have had a chance now, or soon in the future, to 'rule' on their own, instead of while shoved up Camerons backside.

[arista]

Heidi Allen MP and Luciana Berger MP
were both on Marr 10AM
but Luciana kept saying look at their website
Tomorrow the 11 are having a meeting - how exciting for those losers

I have its bland and nothing new?
Feck all on it , yet


https://www.theindependent.group/statement

[reece(:]

Heidi Allen MP and Luciana Berger MP
were both on Marr 10AM
but Luciana kept saying look at their website

I have its bland and nothing new?
Feck all on it , yet


https://www.theindependent.group/statement

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p071tkvy

[arista]

Thank you fast slick reece

[Vicky.]

Thank you fast slick reece

:D

[Denver]

So a new poll has suggested that the Conservatives would win a snap election

[Vicky.]

So a new poll has suggested that the Conservatives would win a snap election

Yup. Not surprising.

[bots]

Not voting when you are allowed to do so is also exercising your democratic right, to not support any of the options available

[Denver]

Yup. Not surprising.

The new party being set up is taken the votes from Labour which will allow the tories to remain

[Underscore]

But the LibDems are losing support
because of this New Independent Group of MP's
who may get more MP's this week

I know.

Clegg ****ed the lib dems so much. They were gaining a lot of support..and might possibly have had a chance now, or soon in the future, to 'rule' on their own, instead of while shoved up Camerons backside.

I totally agree... but a lot of good did come out of the coalition, but a lot of bad too. I look at it on balance. We got a lot of our stuff into power, and that's what a party is supposed to do but a lot of those policies went against our soul.

[arista]

[Independent Group 'in talks about becoming a political party']


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47453810

[Oliver_W]

So officially, as they're not a party "yet", what are they? Are they still technically part of their previous parties, or can MPs be literally partyless?

[MTVN]

So officially, as they're not a party "yet", what are they? Are they still technically part of their previous parties, or can MPs be literally partyless?

Sure - they're just independents. There's a few others in parliament already who aren't members of a party

[Oliver_W]

Sure - they're just independents. There's a few others in parliament already who aren't members of a party

Oh okay, something at the back of my head was telling me they were still technically in their old parties, but were openly voting as a "block" with the others who were doing the same... not sure where that's from, but evidently not!