Bernie Sanders announces presidential bid

[Tom4784]

US Senator Bernie Sanders says he will run again for president in 2020, making a second attempt to win the Democratic Party's nomination.

The 77-year-old Vermont senator became a progressive political star in 2016 although he lost his candidacy bid.

In an email to supporters, he said it was time to complete the "political revolution" they had started.

An outspoken critic of President Donald Trump, Mr Sanders has described him as a "pathological liar" and "racist".

Mr Sanders - an independent who caucuses with the Democrats - is one of the best-known names to join a crowded and diverse field of Democratic candidates, and early polls suggest he is far ahead.

His calls for universal government-provided healthcare, a $15 national minimum wage and free college education electrified young voters, raised millions of dollars in small donations and are now pillars of the party's left-wing.

Mr Sanders, who lost the 2016 Democratic primary to former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, said in his email: "Three years ago, when we talked about these and other ideas, we were told that they were 'radical' and 'extreme'.

"Together, you and I and our 2016 campaign began the political revolution. Now, it is time to complete that revolution and implement the vision that we fought for."

No longer an underdog
After building a grass-roots political movement that roiled the Democratic Party in 2016, Bernie Sanders is making another run at the prize.

This time, he won't be the rumpled underdog. He'll start the race near the front of the pack - with advantages in small-donor fundraising, name recognition and a 50-state organisation of loyalists.

His front-runner status will come with a price, however. Unlike 2016, when Hillary Clinton largely avoided confronting the Vermont senator for fear of alienating his supporters, his opponents will have no such reluctance this time.

In 2016, the self-proclaimed "Democratic socialist" staked out a progressive agenda in contrast with Ms Clinton's pragmatic centrism. Now, in part because of Mr Sanders' efforts, the party has moved left on issues like healthcare, education and income inequality. His message is no longer unique.

The 77-year-old senator will keep his devoted base, but will some former supporters opt for a fresh face? That could lead to conflict with those who believe a Bernie "revolution" is the only way forward, inflaming Democratic wounds not fully healed from the last campaign.

In a crowded field, Mr Sanders has a realistic shot - but it could be a bumpy ride.

Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, John Delaney and Julian Castro are among those who have also announced their intention to run in the Democratic primary in 2020, the first time more than one woman has competed.

If Mr Sanders is successful in his bid, he will become the oldest presidential candidate in US history.

In his email, which lays out a series of policy issues, Mr Sanders also says: "You know as well as I do that we are living in a pivotal and dangerous moment in American history.

"We are running against a president who is a pathological liar, a fraud, a racist, a sexist, a xenophobe and someone who is undermining American democracy as he leads us in an authoritarian direction."

Who is Bernie Sanders?
Mr Sanders is the longest-serving independent in congressional history, but competes for the Democratic nomination as he says standing as a third-party candidate would diminish his chances of winning the presidency.

He attended the University of Chicago, and in the 1960s and 1970s participated in antiwar and civil rights activism, like the 1963 March on Washington.

He was first elected to the House of Representatives in 1990, the first independent to achieve such a feat in 40 years. He served there until he ran for and won a seat in the Senate in 2007.

Mr Sanders entered the race for the 2016 Democratic nomination as a long-shot candidate but emerged as a surprise star during a series of televised debates.

He labels himself a Democratic socialist, which he has defined as someone who seeks to "create an economy that works for all, not just the very wealthy".

Mr Sanders also has a diplomacy-first attitude towards foreign policy and voted against the US invasion of Iraq in 2002.

He became Mrs Clinton's closest rival, but she ultimately won the nomination before losing the presidential election to Mr Trump.

In January, Mr Sanders apologised to female staff members on his 2016 campaign after allegations of harassment against senior aides emerged.

Several aides complained of a "predatory culture" in his campaign and alleged that senior male staff had mistreated younger workers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46965281

The president the US deserves :clap1:

Between him, Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, the democrats should have an easy time at the next election if they don't drop the ball again.

[Liam-]

King :love:

[SherzyK]

Honestly, it’s what the US needs and deserves :clap1:

[Epic.]

Amazing news :amazed: . Hopefully this time the US picks him like they were supposed to so he can leave that smug douche shaking in fear

[arista]

Yes on CNN HD Business
they debated Old Bernie
who is now meeting more young Blacks.

[Underscore]

Ugh. More male, stale and pale politicians...

Supporting Kamala Harris myself. Interested in Tulsi Gabbard too.

[Marsh.]

Ugh. More male, stale and pale politicians...

Supporting Kamala Harris myself. Interested in Tulsi Gabbard too.

More sexism and racism just like your President.

[Underscore]

More sexism and racism just like your President.

?

I'm a Democrat. I supported Hillary. I'm not a fan of fat orange man.

It's not sexist and racist. He's white, and hes privileged.

[Matthew.]

We stan

[Marsh.]

?

I'm a Democrat. I supported Hillary. I'm not a fan of fat orange man.

It's not sexist and racist. He's white, and hes privileged.

"Pale, male, stale" - it seems you have a problem with a President being white, being male, and being a certain age. Regardless of their political persuasion.

Hilary isn't white and isn't privileged?

[Greg!]

He's coming for the win! :love:

[Underscore]

"Pale, male, stale" - it seems you have a problem with a President being white, being male, and being a certain age. Regardless of their political persuasion.

How can a 77 year old (79 by 2020...) be sharp enough to run for President and be President for a further four years? He'll be 84/85 by 2024...

We've already had 45 male Presidents. It's time for change. Same thing for white Presidents. We've had 44.

[Shaun]

It's just never going to happen. A socialist becoming US President is as realistic as gay marriage in Saudi Arabia.

[Underscore]

Why not support someone just as presidential, and even more progressive in Tulsi Gabbard?

https://www.tulsi2020.com/about

She's much younger.

[Marsh.]

How can a 77 year old (79 by 2020...) be sharp enough to run for President and be President for a further four years? He'll be 84/85 by 2024...

We've already had 45 male Presidents. It's time for change. Same thing for white Presidents. We've had 44.

So, you want change for the sake of change.

If the only argument for forcing a female president is "We've had 45 male ones" and not because you have the perfect female candidate then it's rather sad. Same goes for white presidents.

Hilary Clinton is 71. Your ageism seems to only apply to men.

[Shaun]

We've already had 45 male Presidents. It's time for change. Same thing for white Presidents. We've had 44.

I suppose once/if we reach 45 male and 45 female presidents, you'll then be calling for dog presidents since it's "something different". Pretty myopic way of voting.

[Underscore]

So, you want change for the sake of change.

If the only argument for forcing a female president is "We've had 45 male ones" and not because you have the perfect female candidate then it's rather sad. Same goes for white presidents.

Hilary Clinton is 71. Your ageism seems to only apply to men.

I suppose once/if we reach 45 male and 45 female presidents, you'll then be calling for dog presidents since it's "something different". Pretty myopic way of voting.

Not really. Women have been constantly held back in politics and still are. Someone has to break the glass ceiling.

[Marsh.]

Someone has to break the glass ceiling.

Yeah and it sounds like you'll take anyone. So long as she is female.

[Underscore]

Yeah and it sounds like you'll take anyone. So long as she is female.

Not really. I wouldn't support a Republican.

Most Democratic candidates are good :)

[Wizard.]

Kamala Harris for the win :love: God IS a woman!

[Twosugars]

Bernie is too left, not realistic, imo.

[Underscore]

Kamala Harris for the win :love: God IS a woman!

https://media.giphy.com/media/3osBLc5Ht3ZorFud0c/giphy.gif

[Epic.]

Yeah! Let's disregard someone just because they're an elderly male and go for young women just because they're young women! TRACYBEAKER2020

[Denver]

I do also feel he is too old but at the same time at this point I'm convinced he is the best for business

[Underscore]

Yeah! Let's disregard someone just because they're an elderly male and go for young women just because they're young women! TRACYBEAKER2020

That's actually really disrespectful to really qualified women who are running for the office...

[Marsh.]

That's actually really disrespectful to really qualified women who are running for the office...

That's actually really disrespectful to really qualified men who are running for the office...

[Denver]

That's actually really disrespectful to really qualified women who are running for the office...

Tbh the women you want to run doesn't fill me with much hope and would lose to Donald

[Twosugars]

Bernie is good for making hay and raising issues in the primaries, but not as a realistic candidate. Whoever wins tho should get him to serve in the cabinet.

[Nick.]

Meh, Gillibrand/Harris/Warren 2020

[Underscore]

That's actually really disrespectful to really qualified men who are running for the office...

You fail to realise how old Bernie will actually be in office... Reagan was 77 when he left office and he had dementia

Being a President requires quick yet effective thinking. I most certainly don't believe Donald Trump provides that and I don't believe Bernie Sanders would either.

[Marsh.]

You fail to realise how old Bernie will actually be in office... Reagan was 77 when he left office and he had dementia

Being a President requires quick yet effective thinking. I most certainly don't believe Donald Trump provides that and I don't believe Bernie Sanders would either.

You don't believe any white men would. You've already stated that quite clearly.

[Wizard.]

Yeah! Let's disregard someone just because they're an elderly male and go for young women just because they're young women! TRACYBEAKER2020

I have watched interviews of Kamala actually and no it's not because she is a woman but she is incredibly articulate and if you want Trump to win the next election by all means support Bernie Sanders.

[Marsh.]

I have watched interviews of Kamala actually and no it's not because she is a woman but she is incredibly articulate and if you want Trump to win the next election by all means support Bernie Sanders.

She's articulate?

Wow, amazing, sign her up. :smug:

[Underscore]

You don't believe any white men would. You've already stated that quite clearly.

Not really. I'd back a white man if there were actually any good ones in the US

[Marsh.]

Not really. I'd back a white man if there were actually any good ones in the US

:unsure:

[Wizard.]

She's articulate?

Wow, amazing, sign her up. :smug:

No, of course there are many more reasons, but she is someone who can inspire and if I was in the US and could vote I would vote for her. You need someone who can attract a voter base by inspiring them for something better and Bernie had his time and failed and he is just going to let Trump win again.

[Wizard.]

Basically if you think the divide in America is bad now, then by allowing a socialist to run for President the divide is just going to get worse. You need someone who can bring people together not de facto American Jeremy Corbyn.

[Underscore]

:unsure:

No honestly. Let me name our most recent white male Presidents.

Trump - racist, sexist you name it. Incompetent to the moon and beyond.
Bush Jr - warmonger. Need I say more?
B. Clinton - okay, nothing major. Bit slimy mind
Bush Sr - hew?
Reagan - ignored the AIDS epidemic. Imposed a similar economic system to Thatcher.
Carter - Foreign policy was ****
Ford - Pardoned Nixon
Nixon - Close to getting impeached, would've done if he wasn't a coward

[arista]

?

I'm a Democrat. I supported Hillary. I'm not a fan of fat orange man.

It's not sexist and racist. He's white, and hes privileged.


You back LOSERS

[Underscore]

You back LOSERS

That is of no CONSEQUENCE

[Nicky91]

Bernie has good views, also his views appeal for most youth in US

[Marsh.]

No honestly. Let me name our most recent white male Presidents.

Trump - racist, sexist you name it. Incompetent to the moon and beyond.
Bush Jr - warmonger. Need I say more?
B. Clinton - okay, nothing major. Bit slimy mind
Bush Sr - hew?
Reagan - ignored the AIDS epidemic. Imposed a similar economic system to Thatcher.
Carter - Foreign policy was ****
Ford - Pardoned Nixon
Nixon - Close to getting impeached, would've done if he wasn't a coward

You think pointing out the flaws/negatives of each President entitles you to justify your sexism, racism and ageism? Really?



:joker:

[reece(:]

Bernie is an inspiration!

[Liam-]

I hate identity politics, who cares what gender, colour, background or sexuality, just pick the best person for the job.

[Denver]

I hate identity politics, who cares what gender, colour, background or sexuality, just pick the best person for the job.

Tea.

People who want a certain type have no business in politics

[Underscore]

You think pointing out the flaws/negatives of each President entitles you to justify your sexism, racism and ageism? Really?



:joker:

No. Obama was the best President since Kennedy America has had.

[bots]

Bernie is not the person to win a presidential election

[Marsh.]

No. Obama was the best President since Kennedy America has had.

And I suppose him being black and in his 50s did that?

[Denver]

No. Obama was the best President since Kennedy America has had.

We all know you hate white men and it's clearly the only thing coming g across in your arguments

[Underscore]

And I suppose him being black and in his 50s did that?

Well I mean... he grew up and lived in modern America.

[reece(:]

We should all stan Theresa May cos she's a gal?

[Marsh.]

We should all stan Theresa May cos she's a gal?

1 out of 3.

Sis is still pale and stale?

[TomC]

Why are ppl so het up by what Underscore said? It wasn’t even racist/ageist/sexist :unsure:

[montblanc]

You back LOSERS

:joker:

[Denver]

Why are ppl so het up by what Underscore said? It wasn’t even racist/ageist/sexist :unsure:

Well it is because he is saying he wants no white older Male to stand which is all of those things

[montblanc]

Well it is because he is saying he wants no white older Male to stand which is all of those things

no he didn’t :skull:

[Marsh.]

Why are ppl so het up by what Underscore said? It wasn’t even racist/ageist/sexist :unsure:

:joker:

[Underscore]

Well it is because he is saying he wants no white older Male to stand which is all of those things

Never said that they shouldn't stand. :skull:

[Tom4784]

Why are ppl so het up by what Underscore said? It wasn’t even racist/ageist/sexist :unsure:

Except it is, he is discounting someone, not on their credentials but on the fact that they are white, male and old.

It's a ridiculous thing to count someone out, not because of their beliefs but because of their attributes. If Underscore knew what he was talking about, he'd realise that Bernie's stances and views would likely match up to his own. Bernie became a favourite of younger voters for a reason but Underscore seemingly refuses to acknowledge that because of Bernie's race, age and gender.

It's pretty damn clear cut and indicative of why I consider myself more centre than left leaning these days. Both the right and left are becoming extreme reflections of each other.

[Denver]

no he didn’t :skull:

Look back dear

[Wizard.]

Maybe you all should be less outraged about a someone stating that they are over old white men running for positions of power and instead be supporting the best candidate who can oust the orange blob of fat!

[Underscore]

Maybe you all should be less outraged about a someone stating that they are over old white men running for positions of power and instead be supporting the best candidate who can oust the orange blob of fat!

:clap1:

[Underscore]

What's wrong with wanting something to represent the country as a whole?

When the vast majority of Congress is white clearly it is indicative of the milestones minorities and women have to face?

[Marsh.]

Maybe you all should be less outraged about a someone stating that they are over old white men running for positions of power and instead be supporting the best candidate who can oust the orange blob of fat!

That's exactly what people are saying, are you blind?

Discounting candidates for being "pale, male and stale" is NOT supporting "the best candidate who can oust Trump".

[Marsh.]

What's wrong with wanting something to represent the country as a whole?

When the vast majority of Congress is white clearly it is indicative of the milestones minorities and women have to face?

Which means the next President should be female even if there is a man better suited to the position?

No.

[Denver]

What's wrong with wanting something to represent the country as a whole?

When the vast majority of Congress is white clearly it is indicative of the milestones minorities and women have to face?

It's not Big Brother

[Underscore]

It's not Big Brother

Never said it was geesh

[montblanc]

Look back dear

all he did was groan at the idea of another old, white man as president? never did he say that one wasn’t qualified

it wasn’t as deep as it’s been made out :skull:

[Underscore]

Which means the next President should be female even if there is a man better suited to the position?

No.

Not everyone praises God Bernie Sanders

[Tom4784]

Maybe you all should be less outraged about a someone stating that they are over old white men running for positions of power and instead be supporting the best candidate who can oust the orange blob of fat!

Hypocrisy is hypocrisy, I'm not gonna ignore it.

[montblanc]

bernie king!

[Denver]

Not everyone praises God Bernie Sanders

But the only reason you have given to dislike him was for being old white Male

[montblanc]

reachingggg

[Underscore]

But the only reason you have given to dislike him was for being old white Male

No trust me I don't like his policies anyway.

That's just the icing on the cake.

[Underscore]

Well actually, I am just to the right of him but ya know.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trump remains unbothered

[Marsh.]

Not everyone praises God Bernie Sanders

What does he have to do with what I said chicken?

[Underscore]

Either way IF Sanders won the nomination of course I'm gonna vote for him against fat orange cheeto.

[Wizard.]

That's exactly what people are saying, are you blind?

Discounting candidates for being "pale, male and stale" is NOT supporting "the best candidate who can oust Trump".

But of course you can realise that that's not the whole reason why anyone would not support Bernie Sanders? Maybe Underscore was making a point but I don't think it's a stretch to realise that it was a part of a reason and not a whole one.

[Underscore]

I'm not gonna be ecstatic tho

[Oliver_W]

What ever happened to Nikki Haley, aka the obvious voice for first female president?

[Wizard.]

Either way IF Sanders won the nomination of course I'm gonna vote for him against fat orange cheeto.

Miss Yorkshire voting for the President of the United States of America, we stan!

[Tom4784]

Trump remains unbothered

Yup, he can't worry about an election he won't win when Robert Mueller's throwing all his friends in jail and is looking at him next.

[Underscore]

Miss Yorkshire voting for the President of the United States of America, we stan!

not two months into sanders presidency a mueller probe opening up for yorkshire intervention :shocked:

[montblanc]

Either way IF Sanders won the nomination of course I'm gonna vote for him against fat orange cheeto.

not you voting from england

[Underscore]

not you voting from england

shush i like to live the fantasy

and yorkshire :nono: dont wanna be associated with the english pigs

[Underscore]

the real 2020 ticket.

harris president
o'rourke vp

https://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/BrightCove/694940094001/2018/12/28/931/524/694940094001_5984173300001_5984168180001-vs.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

[Liam-]

At the end of the day, the presidency isn’t about representation, it’s supposed to be about what’s best for the country and right now, what’s better for the world, so if an old white man is what the best option is, then so be it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

His 70% taxes are really gonna play well with the electorate

:skull:

[Crimson Dynamo]

as is the word

socialist

:skull::skull:

[Wizard.]

At the end of the day, the presidency isn’t about representation, it’s supposed to be about what’s best for the country and right now, what’s better for the world, so if an old white man is what the best option is, then so be it.

Mark my words, come back here in 2020 when Sanders loses and Trump is president again.

[Underscore]

Mark my words, come back here in 2020 when Sanders loses and Trump is president again.

He won't win the nom

[Liam-]

Trump will beat anyone he’s up against lbr

[Liam-]

The electorate system works to his advantage

[Tom4784]

No, I think if Trump even makes it to the election, he'll have a hard time against anyone who isn't a complete idiot or **** up.

Trump used the corruption allegations and the russian email leaks to his advantage to cast doubt on Hillary and bring over a lot of moderate voters to his side but the weapons he used last time will be used against him and he won't be able to do his usual tricks to win over the moderates. His base will always vote for him but that's not enough to win an election especially considering that the polls show that he has lost a lot of support and that the moderates and middle ground voters that came out for him last time probably won't this time.

[Wizard.]

yes

[Wizard.]

No, I think if Trump even makes it to the election, he'll have a hard time against anyone who isn't a complete idiot or **** up.

Trump used the corruption allegations and the russian email leaks to his advantage to cast doubt on Hillary and bring over a lot of moderate voters to his side but the weapons he used last time will be used against him and he won't be able to do his usual tricks to win over the moderates. His base will always vote for him but that's not enough to win an election especially considering that the polls show that he has lost a lot of support and that the moderates and middle ground voters that came out for him last time probably won't this time.

But tell me would moderate voters vote for Bernie or would a centrist have a better shot?

[TomC]

Except it is, he is discounting someone, not on their credentials but on the fact that they are white, male and old.

It's a ridiculous thing to count someone out, not because of their beliefs but because of their attributes. If Underscore knew what he was talking about, he'd realise that Bernie's stances and views would likely match up to his own. Bernie became a favourite of younger voters for a reason but Underscore seemingly refuses to acknowledge that because of Bernie's race, age and gender.

It's pretty damn clear cut and indicative of why I consider myself more centre than left leaning these days. Both the right and left are becoming extreme reflections of each other.

He didn't 'discount' them, he just expressed preference, that the President is of more varied characteristics.

I don't agree with the logic, but it's not 'racist'.

[Brother Leon]

By far the best candidate for America and the rest of the world.


Too little too late though. He should have been the nominee last time. He would have beat Trump.

[Oliver_W]

tbh I also think it's Trump's to lose right now - his SOTU speech was pretty good, and garnered a good response. The democrats also need to work on their image - when Alexandria Occasional Cortex appears in the media, it's just embarrassing; she is their version of Dianne Abbott.

[Tom4784]

But tell me would moderate voters vote for Bernie or would a centrist have a better shot?

A lot of Trump's promises have gone up in smoke, a lot of Bernie's policies are rooted in reality and benefit the working and middle classes. Bernie's policies will resonate more with voters than the proven lies or Trump.

Bernie would have won last time and I think he'd stand a good chance this time, Joe Biden is the more reliable candidate but either of them could win against Trump who will likely be down and out by 2020.

[Jack_]

If the DNC hadn't fallen over backwards to ensure Hillary got the nomination then he'd be President right now. Most polling showed that

The Democrats need to get their **** together and fast or they're going to lose again in 2020. And by that I mean not nominating another run-of-the-mill, wishy-washy, neoliberal establishment candidate. Electorates all over the west are fed up with that and the US is no different, it's one of the main reason why Trump ended up in the White House. The political landscape has changed dramatically (and dare I say for the better), and the only thing that's going to defeat him is by fighting fire with fire - with a directly opposed "radical" candidate.

Their call.

[Oliver_W]

But socialist policies wouldn't be a change for the better.

[Moniqua]

our Bernie :love:

[bots]

I haven't seen a decent dem candidate yet for 2020, but at this point I don't think they can say yet what the most appropriate candidate would be. Trump may have left office, if he does the GOP will go down with him and the dems will walk it whomever they put up. If Trump is still in office, I don't think it will be a fair election by that point so the dems wont win whatever choice they make. It may be too late for them already

[Jack_]

But socialist policies wouldn't be a change for the better.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/3172ee1a531620fe92db93b63a0bdefb/tenor.gif

[Jack_]

Sorry...you made that too easy :whistle:

[UserSince2005]

ill be voting for kanye

[Matthew.]

tbh I also think it's Trump's to lose right now - his SOTU speech was pretty good, and garnered a good response. The democrats also need to work on their image - when Alexandria Occasional Cortex appears in the media, it's just embarrassing; she is their version of Dianne Abbott.

No she’s not, AOC is doing fantastically well :nono:

[Moniqua]

our AOC :love:

[Matthew.]

Sorry...you made that too easy :whistle:

Lol I did that in the Jussie Smollett thread

He wasn’t impressed :laugh:

[Matthew.]

legend Alexandria Ocasio Cortez <3

[RileyH]

ill be voting for kanye

me

[Oliver_W]

Lol I did that in the Jussie Smollett thread

He wasn’t impressed :laugh:

I didn't care. And who turned out to be right in that thread?

(Most likely, story still developing)

[Oliver_W]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/3172ee1a531620fe92db93b63a0bdefb/tenor.gif
Because of all the times socialism has helped before? Kay.

[Matthew.]

I didn't care. And who turned out to be right in that thread?

(Most likely, story still developing)

Posts have been deleted now, but LT was moaning about how Jussie’s initial doubters were being “bullied”. I asked how there was any bullying going on, and you replied “Someone told me I was taking my sigpic too seriously”.

For someone who claims not to care about it, and then claim it was bullying, is pretty contradictory :suspect:

[Oliver_W]

Posts have been deleted now, but LT was moaning about how Jussie’s initial doubters were being “bullied”. I asked how there was any bullying going on, and you replied “Someone told me I was taking my sigpic too seriously”.

For someone who claims not to care about it, and then claim it was bullying, is pretty contradictory :suspect:

I didn't say I cared about it, just that it happened.

[Epic.]

That's actually really disrespectful to really qualified women who are running for the office...

Well ignoring the obvious sarcasm, you're really disrespectful to a qualified man running for the office

[Moniqua]

BB19: Cameron
CBB22: Kirstie Alley
CBB21: Ann Widdecombe

:hehe:

[Matthew.]

I didn't say I cared about it, just that it happened.

Matthew: “How was there any bullying?”
Oliver: (quoting Matthew’s post) “Someone said I’m taking my sigpic too seriously...”

Are you telling me that you weren’t trying to say it was bullying?

[Oliver_W]

Matthew: “How was there any bullying?”
Oliver: (quoting Matthew’s post) “Someone said I’m taking my sigpic too seriously...”

Are you telling me that you weren’t trying to say it was bullying?

I didn't even acknowledge it at the time, because I didn't care. And most of my post you're referring to was on about Alf and LT. I wouldn't necessarily have called it bullying, but it wasn't pleasant behaviour.

[rk3388]

Ugh. More male, stale and pale politicians...

Supporting Kamala Harris myself. Interested in Tulsi Gabbard too.

How the hell is Bernie stale and pale?
He is far more progressive than Kamala Harris

[Matthew.]

I didn't even acknowledge it at the time, because I didn't care. And most of my post you're referring to was on about Alf and LT. I wouldn't necessarily have called it bullying, but it wasn't pleasant behaviour.

You can’t exactly say they were innocent though can you? :skull:

And when you respond to a post asking about bullying by mentioning something that someone said? That is saying that something is bullying, unless stated otherwise

[Moniqua]

i like kamala but she's been really disappointing as of late

[reece(:]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/1391b54bd7fa9e609d54c90ca879126d/tumblr_oak4miOxzV1v9gbpno1_400.gif

[montblanc]

i like kamala but she's been really disappointing as of late

.

[arista]

https://66.media.tumblr.com/1391b54bd7fa9e609d54c90ca879126d/tumblr_oak4miOxzV1v9gbpno1_400.gif


Lucky 77 year old

[Marsh.]

But of course you can realise that that's not the whole reason why anyone would not support Bernie Sanders? Maybe Underscore was making a point but I don't think it's a stretch to realise that it was a part of a reason and not a whole one.

Well I'm responding to what she said, not what you think she means.

[Marsh.]

He didn't 'discount' them, he just expressed preference, that the President is of more varied characteristics.

I don't agree with the logic, but it's not 'racist'.

Except, he also expressed not wanting a stale, pale, male on the basis of being white, a certain age and male. That's certainly racist, ageist and sexist.

[TomC]

Except, he also expressed not wanting a stale, pale, male on the basis of being white, a certain age and male. That's certainly racist, ageist and sexist.

Saying you would prefer to not have another white president really isn't racist sis. In fact, wanting to see more racial variety in the presidential position (which has been filled by almost exlusively white people) is...quite the contrary.

[Marsh.]

Saying you would prefer to not have another white president really isn't racist sis. In fact, wanting to see more racial variety in the presidential position (which has been filled by almost exlusively white people) is...quite the contrary.

When your first response to discussing an actual candidate, not a hypothetical wish of the type of President, is to say "No thanks they're old, male and white" then it is a problem... sis.

The US is in enough trouble as it is without electing their next President on the basis of skin colour and gender.

If the best candidate to succeed Trump is a white man then so be it. That shouldn't be changed just to provide "racial variety". That's called positive discrimination.

[TomC]

That's called positive discrimination.

Exaxtly. Racism is the wrong term.

[Oliver_W]

Exaxtly. Racism is the wrong term.

It's both. Excluding an entire race is pretty racist.

[Marsh.]

Exaxtly. Racism is the wrong term.

It's both.

[TomC]

It's both.

We clearly have different conceptions of what racism is. I’m at peace with that.

[Marsh.]

I’m at peace with that.

Finally.

[Oliver_W]

We clearly have different conceptions of what racism is. I’m at peace with that.

Lol do you think it's that "power+prejudice" thing sometimes posted on really cute memes on Tumble?

[TomC]

Lol do you think it's that "power+prejudice" thing sometimes posted on really cute memes on Tumble?

I don’t know what this means. And I’m not really interested. In your posts.

[JoshBB]

Glad to see a range of left-leaning Democrats stepping up to the challenge. In all honesty though, as long as the candidate is half-decent, they have a pretty good shot at overthrowing Trump. Just don't go for hillary again........

[Oliver_W]

I don’t know what this means. And I’m not really interested. In your posts.

Th. At's okay. The. N.

[Glenn.]

We've already had 45 male Presidents. It's time for change. Same thing for white Presidents. We've had 44.

A doctor who tea

[JoshBB]

How can a 77 year old (79 by 2020...) be sharp enough to run for President and be President for a further four years? He'll be 84/85 by 2024...

We've already had 45 male Presidents. It's time for change. Same thing for white Presidents. We've had 44.

Honestly, this shouldn't be a priority imo. The policies are far more important, and tokenism won't help to advance the cause of minorities in America. Of course, having the first female president is a nice afterthought, but shouldn't be the primary goal. That kind of thinking is what led to Hilary's selection, and she was an absolutely terrible candidate outside of being a woman. That was literally her only strength and it isn't one that can mobilise enough votes to win the presidency.

[bots]

if Trump is still the president in 2020 it wont matter a fig who the dems put up, they won't win. All this talk about best candidates is pointless

[arista]

if Trump is still the president in 2020 it wont matter a fig who the dems put up, they won't win. All this talk about best candidates is pointless


I think although
Bernie is Socialist
I think he is like Trump, in a way.