US/UK right wing terrorism thread

[The Slim Reaper]

I know that terrorism is a big issue on the TIBB boards; a quick glance at the SD section will show a few jihadi threads at any one time, and yet all these people that consume this news and post it here never ever seem to read anything about any other kind of terrorism, which I'm sure is just an oversight and not done intentionally.

If anyone wants to create a left wing terror thread, then go for it, that would be interesting too.

So lets kick off with some recent news stories.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/terrorist-arrested-leeds-police-right-wing-activity-attack-latest-a8794476.html

An alleged right-wing extremist has been arrested on suspicion of preparing acts of terrorism.

Counterterror police are searching the 33-year-old man’s home in Leeds following an “intelligence-led” operation.

Investigators said the man was arrested on suspicion of the commission, preparation and instigation of terrorist acts.

“He has been taken to a police station in West Yorkshire for questioning,” a spokesperson for Counter Terrorism Policing North East said.

“This is a pre-planned, intelligence-led arrest as part of an investigation into suspected extreme right-wing activity.”

Superintendent Chris Bowen urged anyone with concerns to speak to local officers, or contact the national counterterror reporting service.

“I understand our communities will have concerns about this police activity but I want to offer my reassurance that public safety is our top priority,” he said.

It comes after the head of UK counterterror policing warned of a rise in far-right activity.

Metropolitan Police assistant commissioner Neil Basu told The Independent: “We’re dealing with a record number of operations and the potential of a growing extreme threat from the extreme far-right community for all kinds of reasons – not just because of the Islamist threat but things like Brexit, and some of the far-right political rhetoric which hasn’t helped.”

Speaking last month, he urged the public to stay alert and warned of “insidious tactics” being used to recruit online.

The counterextremism group Hope Not Hate has found that children as young as 13 were becoming involved in a new wave of neo-Nazi groups that are gathering support on the internet.

“The trend towards younger, more violent Nazis is a real concern and needs to be monitored closely,” researchers said.

“The threat of far-right terrorism comes from both organised groups, like National Action, but increasingly from lone actors who get radicalised on the internet.”

Security services say the dominant terror threat to the UK comes from Isis and other Islamist groups, but have warned of the growing risk posed by the far right following the Finsbury Park attack and murder of Jo Cox.

Neo-Nazi group National Action became the first right-wing group banned in Britain in 2016.

Former members include a man who plotted to murder a Labour MP, another who tried to behead an Asian man in Tesco, a teenager who tried to make a pipe bomb and an extremist who planned a massacre at an LGBT+ pride event.

The proportion of far-right terror suspects has been rising in the UK, and the number of people referred to the Prevent programme over suspected far-right extremism has rocketed by 36 per cent in a year.

In the year to September, 40 per cent of terror suspects arrested were white, 33 per cent were Asian, 12 per cent were black and 14 per cent were recorded as other.

Police say 14 Islamist terror plots and four from far-right extremists have been foiled since the Westminster attack in March 2017.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/coast-guard-lieutenant-arrested-in-alleged-domestic-terror-plot-11550706915

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WASHINGTON—A U.S. Coast Guard lieutenant and self-described white nationalist was arrested after authorities said they found more than a dozen firearms, ammunition and a hit list of Democratic lawmakers, activists and media personalities in his Maryland home.

Lt. Christopher Paul Hasson was arrested Friday on charges of illegal gun possession. But prosecutors said in subsequent court filings that those charges were the “proverbial tip of the iceberg,” accusing him of being a domestic terrorist “bent on committing acts dangerous to human life that are intended to affect governmental conduct.”

Neither Lt. Hasson nor an attorney representing him could be reached for comment.

Lt. Hasson is expected to appear before a judge Thursday for a hearing to determine whether he should remain detained while he awaits trial, as prosecutors recommend.

“The defendant intends to murder innocent civilians on a scale rarely seen in this country,” federal prosecutors said in court filings. The government said he had been stockpiling weapons since at least 2017 and recently developed a spreadsheet of targets that included House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and other prominent Democratic officials, journalists and pundits.

The list also included Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.), Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D., Conn.), to whom he referred as “Sen blumen jew,” and former Hillary Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta. He developed the list in an Excel spreadsheet he created last month while searching the internet and reviewing various cable news websites at work, prosecutors said.

His internet searches included, “where do most senators live in dc” and questions about whether lawmakers and Supreme Court justices have law enforcement protection, according to court documents.

Lt. Hasson, who prosecutors said had long espoused extremist views, called for violence to establish a “white homeland,” writing in letters to a friend that, “I am dreaming of a way to kill almost every last person on the earth.”

Court documents list an arsenal of weapons allegedly stockpiled by Lt. Hasson, including rifles and pistols. Records also show he purchased “80% lower receivers,” which are partially-machined components that can be used to make firearms that don’t have serial numbers or fall under typical federal-firearms laws.

Lt. Hasson also purchased body armor, which is lightly-regulated by federal authorities and has come under scrutiny because of its ready availability even to civilians.

Court documents also allege Lt. Hasson stockpiled human growth hormone “to increase his ability to conduct attacks” as well as Tramadol, a narcotic. He also allegedly purchased synthetic urine online, and when law enforcement agents searched his workspace they found items he appeared to have on hand in case he was randomly drug tested as a member of the military.

Lt. Hasson’s arrest came after an investigation led by the Coast Guard Investigation Services in cooperation with the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Justice Department. Lt. Hasson was stationed at Coast Guard headquarters in Washington, D.C. Coast Guard spokesman Lt. Cmdr. Scott McBride declined to provide further details about the defendant.

Court documents say that in his capacity as an acquisitions officer, Lt. Hasson hasn’t received any tactical, weapons or explosives-related training. But prosecutors note that he was a U.S. Marine and spent two years on active duty in the National Guard following that.

Lt. Hasson joined the Marine Corps in 1988 as an F-18 jet-aircraft mechanic and rose to the rank of corporal in 1992, according to Marine spokesman Capt. Joseph Butterfield. The Marines couldn’t immediately say when he left the service because his record is archived at a remote location.

Prosecutors describe him as obsessed with neo-Nazi views. In a draft letter discovered by investigators, he wrote that he had been a skinhead for 30 years, since before joining the military, and advocated for “focused violence” to create a “white homeland.” He had been fixated on a manifesto by Norwegian mass killer Anders Behring Breivik, mimicking the preparations he took for a 2011 attack that killed 77 people.

“Guide my hate to make a lasting impression on this world,” he wrote in one letter cited by prosecutors.

[Livia]

I'm sure everyone here knows there's more than one kind of terrorist. Of course Right Wing terrorist are just as bad as any other kind, especially in the USA with their access to firearms. But in balance, the fact that the FBI's most wanted list is made up almost entirely of Jihadis https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists, it's obvious why Islamic terrorism is discussed more than any other - because it's more prevalent. My own community is under attack from both Muslim extremists and from the Right... and I don't mind admitting that at this point, I'm more worried about the Islamist terrorists, the people with apparently free access to all kinds of weaponry and explosives and no apparent fear of the law.

That said, they're all worryingly unhinged.

[arista]

Yes it is a problem in America , Germany and UK

[The Slim Reaper]

I'm sure everyone here knows there's more than one kind of terrorist. Of course Right Wing terrorist are just as bad as any other kind, especially in the USA with their access to firearms. But in balance, the fact that the FBI's most wanted list is made up almost entirely of Jihadis https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists, it's obvious why Islamic terrorism is discussed more than any other - because it's more prevalent. My own community is under attack from both Muslim extremists and from the Right... and I don't mind admitting that at this point, I'm more worried about the Islamist terrorists, the people with apparently free access to all kinds of weaponry and explosives and no apparent fear of the law.

That said, they're all worryingly unhinged.

I didn't intend to make it a competition, as that would be distasteful - even for me! My point was that we constantly get to see these stories posted on here (and rightfully so) and yet mysteriously the folks who seem to consume the most news and do a valuable service posting about it, never seem to post news stories that don't reflect well on the ideology they are happy to push on here every day.

[bots]

i think we should be concerned about all forms of terrorism, bullying and racism. There is a general trend upward on all these areas and it involves multiple groups.

[Livia]

I didn't intend to make it a competition, as that would be distasteful - even for me! My point was that we constantly get to see these stories posted on here (and rightfully so) and yet mysteriously the folks who seem to consume the most news and do a valuable service posting about it, never seem to post news stories that don't reflect well on the ideology they are happy to push on here every day.

Are you under the impression that there are people on the Far Right here on the forum?

I might just add, my own community is currently being attacked from both the Far Right and Far Left... and also by Islamists. So even if it was a competition, I'd be hard-pressed to call it.

[Northern Monkey]

Morons.
Reacting to terrorism with more terrorism doesn’t make anything better for anyone.
It unsurprisingly makes more terrorism.Which can never be a positive thing and if unchecked can lead to civil war.

[Cherie]

The forum is open to everyone to make threads, you can't complain that you don't see enough of this type of thread if you don't make any yourself!

Of course all terror is terror, people of all creeds are blown up or shot at if they are in the wrong place at the wrong time, thats a given, during the IRA bombing campaign, the news was dominated by that, now its dominated by Islamic terror because it outweighs far right terror at the moment

[Cherie]

I think this illustrates my point


Police say 14 Islamist terror plots and four from far-right extremists have been foiled since the Westminster attack in March 2017.

[The Slim Reaper]

The forum is open to everyone to make threads, you can't complain that you don't see enough of this type of thread if you don't make any yourself!

Of course all terror is terror, people of all creeds are blown up or shot at if they are in the wrong place at the wrong time, thats a given, during the IRA bombing campaign, the news was dominated by that, now its dominated by Islamic terror because it outweighs far right terror at the moment

It wasn't a complaint, which is why I made this thread so people can now record these incidents. It also wasn't a thread aimed at attacking the other threads that do highlight Islamic terror.

Just found it an interesting curiosity.

[The Slim Reaper]

I think this illustrates my point


Police say 14 Islamist terror plots and four from far-right extremists have been foiled since the Westminster attack in March 2017.

You mean the sentence that I bolded myself?

So if Islamic terrorism is the considered the greatest threat to public safety in the UK/US, then shouldn't the fact that right wing terrorism is currently being foiled at 30-40% of that, be at least worthy of a discussion? Maybe even make the news occasionally? But again, this thread isn't about Muslims, use one of the other 8969677676878 threads for that, this is a thread so we can shed some light on what our alt-right, nationalist brothers and sisters are currently up to.

[Cherie]

You mean the sentence that I bolded myself?

So if Islamic terrorism is the considered the greatest threat to public safety in the UK/US, then shouldn't the fact that right wing terrorism is currently being foiled at 30-40% of that, be at least worthy of a discussion? Maybe even make the news occasionally? But again, this thread isn't about Muslims, use one of the other 8969677676878 threads for that, this is a thread so we can shed some light on what our alt-right, nationalist brothers and sisters are currently up to.

yes its on the rise and of course it should be discussed and I would expect if the situation was reversed and it was a 10 per cent far right and 4 per cent Islamic terror then we would be talking about it more. I don't see any recent terror threads on SD with regard to Islamic state, just threads about returning Jihadis?

[The Slim Reaper]

yes its on the rise and of course it should be discussed and I would expect if the situation was reversed and it was a 10 per cent far right and 4 per cent Islamic terror then we would be talking about it more. I don't see any recent terror threads on SD with regard to Islamic state, just threads about returning Jihadis?

I've made a specific thread with specific thread content that's not about Muslims/islamic terror.

Interesting word association though; I said "this thread isn't about Muslims, use one of the other 8969677676878 threads for that". You say "I don't see any recent terror threads".

I'm not sure if I need to mention this again, but this thread is not about Muslims.

[Crimson Dynamo]

so your opening points are an alleged individual case that has not been proved yet and some bolloxio from a "charity" who use language like “The trend towards younger, more violent Nazis is a real concern" :umm2:


I dont think the Great British Public will be bothered tbh, they are quite aware where the real threats come from

[The Slim Reaper]

so your opening points are an alleged individual case that has not been proved yet and some bolloxio from a "charity" who use language like “The trend towards younger, more violent Nazis is a real concern" :umm2:


I dont think the Great British Public will be bothered tbh, they are quite aware where the real threats come from

I've posted 2 recent foiled right wing terrorism attacks. One here, and one across the pond.

I could go back years and post actual right wing violence that has occured, but chose this as a starting point so TIBB's alt right wouldn't be that offended from the off. Ooops, I guess I gave you too much credit :hehe:

[Vicky.]

Maybe even make the news occasionally?

Tbf it does make the news, not as often though (which it wouldn't be in the news as often if there is less of it). BUT its generally reported as 'mentally ill person commits act of violence' rather than how Islamic terrorism is. I hate that, how when its a white person its 'just' mental illness. Noone rushes to say Jihadis are mentally ill...

Also, things tend to only make the news when an attack is successful. I actually can't remember the last time it was a 'mentally ill white man'. I think possibly the attack on the Mosque, that was generally framed as retaliation to violence rather than terorrism. Which is what it is, just with different victims.

[Crimson Dynamo]

its just not a thing, sorry

[Vicky.]

its just not a thing, sorry

Of course it is..as is violence and such from the far left (some still refuse to admit the far left even exist, so theres a fair while to go on that...)

[Tom4784]

It's remarkable and grotesque that the Coast Guard story hasn't really gained traction.

Right Wing terrorism is a growing threat, it's the most prominent form of terrorism after Islamic terrorism and it's something that should be spoken about when it's not really discussed all that much.

[Liam-]

its just not a thing, sorry

So only brown foreign people can be terrorists in your eyes?

[Crimson Dynamo]

So only brown foreign people can be terrorists in your eyes?

well as someone here who actually lived through the troubles that is a pretty silly thing to post

[The Slim Reaper]

Of course it is..as is violence and such from the far left (some still refuse to admit the far left even exist, so theres a fair while to go on that...)

Of course violence exists across the whole spectrum, even centrists can turn violent depending on the circumstances, but I'm curious what left wing terrorism would actually look like.

I'm further left than I would guess pretty much everyone on this forum, but my ideology is only based around tolerance and ways to raise the bottom sections of society upwards in ways that are beneficial to society as a whole.

The far left exists in some foreign governments that push communism in dictatorships, but you will struggle to find left wing people who push for communist ideals in today's world, but you get right wing people pushing fascistic aims and goals.

It's not really a both sides issue, yeah the left has it's problems because no ideology or political system is foolproof, but there is no modern far left in the same way there is a modern far right.

[bots]

What people dont seem to realise by giving terrorist groups blanket media coverage they are feeding them with the publicity and the means to expand, hence they don't tend to be highlighted by the media unless offences have occurred.

[Vicky.]

Antifa, would be far left terrorism looks like IMO. Terrorism whilst saying they are doing the right thing and helping people. Because they bombed a building full of Tories or something..for example.

Its not a 'both sides are as bad as each other' thing. But nor is Islamic terorrism and far right terrorism (yet, I suspect if we don't do brexit in March then this will rise quickly)

I agree there is not modern far left the same as far right, but I do think this is because the far left is just emerging recently, where the far right have been 'there' for quite some time. I genuinely dread to think what it will be like in say 10 years time.

[Livia]

I didn't intend to make it a competition, as that would be distasteful - even for me! My point was that we constantly get to see these stories posted on here (and rightfully so) and yet mysteriously the folks who seem to consume the most news and do a valuable service posting about it, never seem to post news stories that don't reflect well on the ideology they are happy to push on here every day.

I'll ask again... do you think there are people on this forum who support the far Right? Who, "never seem to post news stories that don't reflect well on the ideology they are happy to push on here every day" Because unless you've phrased that wrong, you're clearly saying that Right wingers are on here pushing their agenda every day. And I have to say, while I've seen some awful people on this forum, I don't believe anyone on here now is a far Righter.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think we should be more worried about the dramatic and undeniable rise of Anti-Semitism in our own Labour Party

[Livia]

I think we should be more worried about the dramatic and undeniable rise of Anti-Semitism in our own Labour Party

Not may people are bothered by that, though. It's not fashionable, left of centre. Nor right of centre, thinking about it...

[Tom4784]

its just not a thing, sorry

And you're perfectly entitled to be wrong and uninformed.

[Tom4784]

I think we should be more worried about the dramatic and undeniable rise of Anti-Semitism in our own Labour Party

Because we can only focus on one issue at a time?

[Crimson Dynamo]

And you're perfectly entitled to be wrong and uninformed.

or right

as usual

[Tom4784]

or right

as usual

Nope, just uninformed.

You do not know more than security experts from across the world who acknowledge right wing terrorism as a real and present threat. You're entitled to believe it doesn't exist but that doesn't make your opinion correct, it makes it uninformed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nope, just uninformed.

You do not know more than security experts from across the world who acknowledge right wing terrorism as a real and present threat. You're entitled to believe it doesn't exist but that doesn't make your opinion correct, it makes it uninformed.

not "security experts" :shocked:

[The Slim Reaper]

Antifa, would be far left terrorism looks like IMO. Terrorism whilst saying they are doing the right thing and helping people. Because they bombed a building full of Tories or something..for example.

Its not a 'both sides are as bad as each other' thing. But nor is Islamic terorrism and far right terrorism (yet, I suspect if we don't do brexit in March then this will rise quickly)

I agree there is not modern far left the same as far right, but I do think this is because the far left is just emerging recently, where the far right have been 'there' for quite some time. I genuinely dread to think what it will be like in say 10 years time.

I get the Antifa point. I don't personally agree with them on everything, especially their direct action, but they were set up as a direct response to the rise in fascism and white supremacy, and to counteract it.

Let me put it like this, if the worrying rise on the right wasn't happening, would Antifa even be in our consciousness? I think it's easy to forget that Antifa rose to prominence again, recently in the US where KKK and white nationalist rallies are constant and deadly. I agree though, there are probably folks within the movement itching far an even more direct response.


Maybe you'll be right about the far left rising, but all the prominent folks that are currently made out to be communists by the right, are only really interested in providing healthcare, education, work opportunities, and an end to social inequality. It's not impossible, because obviously the original aims of Bolshevism were noble too, before being bastardised, but it's a difficult road that travels from Alexandria Ocassio-Cortez (the current right wing boogeywoman) to far left extremism in the same way that it's a pretty short road from right wing politicians to far right extremism.

Another problem I have with the labelling of far left in the UK, is that we haven't even had a left wing party in this country since the inception of "new labour", so having a far left rise without even a left is a difficult thing to envisage.

[The Slim Reaper]

I'll ask again... do you think there are people on this forum who support the far Right? Who, "never seem to post news stories that don't reflect well on the ideology they are happy to push on here every day" Because unless you've phrased that wrong, you're clearly saying that Right wingers are on here pushing their agenda every day. And I have to say, while I've seen some awful people on this forum, I don't believe anyone on here now is a far Righter.

I don't want to take the thread in a different direction that becomes about other members, and me making accusations, as that will only achieve deleted posts, infractions/warnings, or a closed thread - none of those things I want to happen, but let me just say that if people label themselves with the labels of the far right, then I'll take them at their word.

[Crimson Dynamo]

What are the numbers then to get back on topic?

yearly deaths etc?

to give us an idea of scale

[Livia]

I don't want to take the thread in a different direction that becomes about other members, and me making accusations, as that will only achieve deleted posts, infractions/warnings, or a closed thread - none of those things I want to happen, but let me just say that if people label themselves with the labels of the far right, then I'll take them at their word.

That's just another insinuation that there are people on here who are on the far Right. And I don't believe there are.

[The Slim Reaper]

That's just another insinuation that there are people on here who are on the far Right. And I don't believe there are.

It's not an insinuation of anything; I explicitly said that when people use far right labels to label themselves, then I accept the labels they use. No insinuation necessary.

[Matthew.]

And I have to say, while I've seen some awful people on this forum, I don't believe anyone on here now is a far Righter.

Those who support the BNP and Tommy Robinson are far right

[Livia]

Those who support the BNP and Tommy Robinson are far right

Again... I don't know anyone who supports them. Not really, I don't believe anyone on here would vote for Robinson or the BNP who, incidentally, have only around 500 members in the whole country.

[Matthew.]

Again... I don't know anyone who supports them. Not really, I don't believe anyone on here would vote for Robinson or the BNP who, incidentally, have only around 500 members in the whole country.

I’ve definitely seen

[Livia]

I’ve definitely seen

Hmmm...

[Twosugars]

Thank you Slim Reaper, a much needed thread.

Wonder what Breitbart makes of this troubling phenomenon.

[MTVN]

It's not an insinuation of anything; I explicitly said that when people use far right labels to label themselves, then I accept the labels they use. No insinuation necessary.

People on here explicitely identify themselves as far right?

[Withano]

Get rid of all right wing people and then there’d be no issue

[Twosugars]

People on here explicitely identify themselves as far right?
Some defend every action Trump takes, defend Robinson, praise alt right people like Milo, Bannon etc. That's pretty far right, right?

[The Slim Reaper]

People on here explicitely identify themselves as far right?

If you check out my deleted posts (not sure if you guys can actually do that), you'll prob find some evidence

[Livia]

No one on here is on the far Right. There are some people on here way over to the Left, but not any far Left, I would say. Any kind of an extremist is a threat and I worry that people are happy to hang labels on other people on the basis of some stuff they may have seen on a Big Brother forum.

[Crimson Dynamo]

as usual the baiters and the haters are here with the usual insinuation but no one has the balls to name a name in case they get a wee infraction

what a surprise, lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

and none with an opinion or comment about the actual thread, just here to cause trouble

:bored:

[Twosugars]

No one on here is on the far Right. There are some people on here way over to the Left, but not any far Left, I would say. Any kind of an extremist is a threat and I worry that people are happy to hang labels on other people on the basis of some stuff they may have seen on a Big Brother forum.

Regardless, it is about time we debate right wing terrorism alongside all others, I'm sure you'll agree. This thread is much needed.

[Twosugars]

and none with an opinion or comment about the actual thread, just here to cause trouble

:bored:
Don't you agree that right wing terrorism exists and deserves attention? For such an avid chronicler of current events, I'm surprised at your lack of enthusiasm for this thread.

[The Slim Reaper]

Thread isn't about other members, but it's now on the verge of becoming messy. If anyone wants to talk about others, including me, then take it to PM's?

[Livia]

What are the numbers then to get back on topic?

yearly deaths etc?

to give us an idea of scale

Islamist terrorist attacks in the UK since 2000 where people have died:
2005 7/7 London bombings. Dead: 52
2013 Lee Rigby. Dead: 1
2017 Westminster attack. Dead: 5
2017 Manchester Arena bomb. Dead: 22
2017 London Bridge attack. Dead: 8
Total dead: 88

Far Right terrorist attacks in the UK since 2000 where people have died:
2013 Pavlo Lapshyn fatally stabbed Mohammed Saleem. Dead: 1
2016 Jo Cox shot. Dead: 1
2017 Finsbury Park attack. Dead: 1
Total dead: 3

[Twosugars]

Every life matters, Livia.

[Twosugars]

There's been plenty of coverage of the Islamist terrorism here, I don't get it why we shouldn't debate right wing terrorism alongside that.

[Underscore]

Jo Cox :(

I can remember that day well. I came back home and cried. Jo Cox was an amazing MP who sadly I didn't get to know personally but she was destined for greatness.

[Twosugars]

Also, I'd include all of the Western Europe and the US, not just UK. These things are often related.

[Livia]

Every life matters, Livia.

Nowhere have I ever said it doesn't.

I'm demonstrating why one set of terrorists don't get the press other sets of terrorists get. They're all arseholes, every one of them.

[Livia]

Also, I'd include all of the Western Europe and the US, not just UK. These things are often related.
Well you're free to look into that.

[Twosugars]

Thank you, I appreciate you blessing. :hug:

After all, anti-semitism for example cuts across the political spectrum.
It was the Charlottesville mob who chanted "Jews will not replace us".
Far right ideology often lapses into nazism. It deffo deserves our attention.

[Livia]

There's been plenty of coverage of the Islamist terrorism here, I don't get it why we shouldn't debate right wing terrorism alongside that.

I am debating it. The thing is, and I'm sure I'm not alone, feel like I am backing the old Right Wingers team from some of the replies I get and it couldn't be further from the truth.

[reece(:]

Terrorism is terrorism wherever it comes from, it's equally as bad from all angles and should be stamped out on all grounds

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its like asking why womens rugby does not get the media coverage that mens gets and moaning about why are there no womens rugby threads

[Crimson Dynamo]

Terrorism is terrorism wherever it comes from, it's equally as bad from all angles and should be stamped out on all grounds


Indeed and thanks mainly to the USA ISIS has been wiped out and defeated

So well done to the USA

[The Slim Reaper]

Except you're posting in a women's rugby thread.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Except you're posting in a women's rugby thread.

I try to support all member threads, however niche

[Livia]

Thank you, I appreciate you blessing. :hug:

After all, anti-semitism for example cuts across the political spectrum.
It was the Charlottesville mob who chanted "Jews will not replace us".
Far right ideology often lapses into nazism. It deffo deserves our attention.

You think I don't know all that? Do you think I haven't been on the receiving end of some rather nasty Right wing thinking? Both directly and indirectly. I'm surprised you have to explain it to me.

Why isn't Right wing extremism given the same attention as Islamists?

Because they don't kill as many people at the moment, thank God. But individually they're equally as dangerous.

[The Slim Reaper]

I try to support all member threads, however niche

Very nic(h)e of you.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Very nic(h)e of you.

:hee:

[bots]

i seem to remember there being a thread or 2 when the labour mp was murdered. We see threads for loads of vile crime. If its in the news its here

[Livia]

i seem to remember there being a thread or 2 when the labour mp was murdered. We see threads for loads of vile crime. If its in the news its here

And the Finsbury Park attack, that was discussed.

Reading the first line of the opening post, I don't think getting a good debate going was the real purpose of this thread.

[Matthew.]

Get rid of all right wing people and then there’d be no issue

:joker:

[Cherie]

Regardless, it is about time we debate right wing terrorism alongside all others, I'm sure you'll agree. This thread is much needed.

when you say its about time, whats stopped you before?

[Cherie]

There's been plenty of coverage of the Islamist terrorism here, I don't get it why we shouldn't debate right wing terrorism alongside that.

have I missed one of your threads?why are people acting like they can't make a thread about it :worry:

[Matthew.]

as usual the baiters and the haters are here with the usual insinuation but no one has the balls to name a name in case they get a wee infraction

what a surprise, lol

Livia said that she doesn’t believe anyone on here that was far right and I simply said that I disagree with her. That’s how discussion works, isn’t it

[Twosugars]

You think I don't know all that? Do you think I haven't been on the receiving end of some rather nasty Right wing thinking? Both directly and indirectly. I'm surprised you have to explain it to me.

Why isn't Right wing extremism given the same attention as Islamists?

Because they don't kill as many people at the moment, thank God. But individually they're equally as dangerous.
I wasn't trying to patronise you, dear Livia. Merely mentioned it for the record.

I think the emergence of alt right, renewed activity by right wing extremists, shift to the right in many countries, nationalism and famous cases like Brijevik and now the Coast Guard guy need more attention. Simple as that.

[Twosugars]

when you say its about time, whats stopped you before?

have I missed one of your threads?why are people acting like they can't make a thread about it :worry:

my bad Cherie, guilty as charged
not with it, sorry to say
but all is good, SR stepped up
look forward to debating the issue with you

[Beso]

It wasn't a complaint, which is why I made this thread so people can now record these incidents. It also wasn't a thread aimed at attacking the other threads that do highlight Islamic terror.

Just found it an interesting curiosity.

It was a post full of half arsed accusation and sarcasm hidden behind a yellow hanky.

[Beso]

So only brown foreign people can be terrorists in your eyes?

I bet you think only white men can be right wing.

[Beso]

And as for antifa, they would have gained more credenence if they had went after the isis flag waving racist muslims along with the right

[Beso]

Isn't isis pretty right wing in itself anyway

[Cherie]

my bad Cherie, guilty as charged
not with it, sorry to say
but all is good, SR stepped up
look forward to debating the issue with you

hopefully we won't be discussing any terror event any time soon :fc:

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/zealand-mosque-attacks-scourge-white-supremacy-190315090752857.html

Today's New Zealand mosque shootings, which killed at least 49 people and were allegedly carried out by white supremacists, are only the latest on a long list of recent acts of white supremacist terrorism. Despite the growing and constant threat, Western governments have failed to adequately address the danger of white supremacy.

An abbreviated list of recent acts of white supremacist terrorism includes Robert Gregory Bowers' killing of 12 Jewish worshippers at a Synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in 2018; Alexandre Bissonnette's massacre of six Muslims in the Quebec City mosque in 2017; Dylann Roof's murdering of nine black Christian parishioners in a Charleston, South Carolina church in 2015; and Anders Behring Breivik's slaughter of 77 people in Norway in 2011.

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, numerous other white supremacist plots, including some that planned to kill as many as 30,000 people, have been foiled by law enforcement in the United States. Just last month, the American FBI arrested Christopher Paul Hasson, a white supremacist and lieutenant in the US coastguard, for allegedly plotting terrorist attacks against black and liberal politicians and media personalities.

READ MORE
New Zealand PM: Dozens killed in 'terrorist' attack on mosques
All of this is to say nothing of less recent white supremacist history, including anti-black violence perpetrated by US's Ku Klux Klan (KKK), thousands of 19th and 20th century lynchings of black Americans by white supremacist mobs, millions of black people murdered during the African slave trade, or millions of brown people killed during the peak periods of Western colonialism. Scholars and analysts have cogently and repeatedly argued that both the African slave trade and Western colonialism were carried out largely in the service of white supremacy.

Although US media and political elites spend considerable time discussing "Islamic terrorism", far-right, white supremacist terrorism is far more common. A recent study showed that two-thirds of terrorist attacks in the US are carried out by far-right individuals and groups. Research by the Southern Poverty Law Center, meanwhile, shows that most far-right violence is unambiguously linked to white supremacy.

In spite of the obvious and continued threat of white supremacist terrorism, Western societies still arguably do not take the danger as seriously as they should. A recent New York Times report showed that for decades US's "domestic counterterrorism strategy has ignored the rising danger of far-right extremism", which, the report also noted, is tied explicitly to white supremacy.

The propping up of white supremacy
Political movements may help explain why many Western societies do not take the threat of white supremacy as seriously as they should - many Western political leaders are themselves beholden to white supremacy.

White nationalism has taken firm root in both European and American political mainstreams. In Europe, white nationalists have gained political traction and influenced elections and referendums, including the United Kingdom's 2016 Brexit vote, while in the US, President Donald Trump and numerous Republican politicians have been linked to white supremacy.

White supremacist and former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke explained why white supremacists voted for Trump in US's 2016 presidential election, and Trump made headlines in 2016 when he refused to disavow Duke's support. In 2017, Trump famously equivocated on the KKK and called white supremacists protesting in Charlottesville, Virginia "very fine people". Earlier this decade, Trump spearheaded campaigns challenging the intelligence, grades, and citizenship of the US's first black President, Barack Obama.

White supremacy isn't always violent, at least not at the level of the individual. Some effects of white supremacy are more insidious, but also more widespread and common. Scientific studies on implicit biases show that white people view black people as intellectually inferior and more threatening, among other things.

Implicit biases help explain why, for example, black Americans have more difficulty in obtaining loans and getting jobs, even after all non-race variables are controlled for. Perhaps most relevant to today's anti-Muslim massacres in New Zealand is research showing that large proportions of white people in western societies tend to view Muslims and other brown immigrants as subhuman.

Another problem directly relevant to today's New Zealand massacres is media coverage. Western news media coverage of Muslims tends to be negative and highly stereotypical. Violent crimes carried out by Muslims are highlighted in reportage, while violent crimes perpetrated against Muslims are often de-emphasised or ignored.

One peer-reviewed quantitative analysis showed that acts of terrorism committed by Muslims receive 357 percent more news attention than acts of terrorism committed by non-Muslims. Additionally, the word "terrorism" is often ignored in the context of non-Muslim violence and used exclusively in news reports describing Muslim crimes.

Political elites and media coverage, then, are two factors helping to explain the largely negative perceptions of Muslims, black people, immigrants, and other minorities in contemporary Western societies. Today's shooters in New Zealand weren't born to hate Muslims or any other minority group. They were taught, just as all other white supremacist terrorists are taught, via bigoted discourses which have attained hegemonic status in western societies.



https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/12/study-shows-two-thirds-us-terrorism-tied-right-wing-extremists

A new terrorism database analysis shows almost two-thirds of the terror attacks in the United States last year were carried out by right-wing extremists.

Researchers and journalists for the news site Quartz said they used data compiled by the Global Terrorism Database that has tabulated terrorist events around the world since 1970. The database is supported by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START), affiliated with the University of Maryland.

“A Quartz analysis of the database shows that almost two-thirds of terror attacks in the (United States) last year were tied to racist, anti-Muslim, homophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, anti-government, or xenophobic motivations,” its posting says.

The remaining attacks, the web site said, “were driven by left-wing ideologies … and Islamic extremism.”

Globally, terrorist attacks dropped from about 17,000 in 2014 to about 11,000 in 2017, including a 40 percent decline in the Middle East, according to Quartz's analysis of the START data.

But the United States has seen a recent surge in terror-related violence, with 65 attacks last year, up from six in 2006, it said.

In a related post last month, Quartz said of 65 terrorism incidents last year in the United States, 37 were “tied to racist, anti-Muslim, homophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, anti-government or xenophobic motivations.”

The list includes the August 2017 incident at the "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, where a man drove a car into a crowd of counter-protesters, killing Heather Heyer and injuring many others. The suspect, James Alex Fields, was photographed earlier that day marching with neo-Nazi hate group Vanguard America. Fields has been charged with first-degree murder and is awaiting trial in Virginia. In June, he was indicted on 30 charges of federal hate crimes related to the attack.

The list also includes attacks on a gay bar in Puerto Rico, mosques in Washington, Texas, and Florida and a “vehicle decorated with Jewish iconography in New York,” the posting said.

Quartz said the Global Terrorism Database annual report includes “cases where violence is used by non-state actors to achieve political, economic, religious, or social goals through fear and coercion.”

For example, it said, the database “includes ideologically motivated attacks like the Charleston church shooting, but not ones such as the Aurora movie theater massacre.”

The database also classifies cases according to attackers’ affiliations, such as the Ku Klux Klan. When an affiliation is unknown, the database lists the participant’s ideological identity if it’s known, such as white extremist.

For further reading on right-wing extremist terrorism, check out Terror from the Right, the Southern Poverty Law Center's directory of major terrorist plots and right-wing political violence from 1995 to the present.

[arista]

"white supremacist terrorism"

Yes Perfect for Relaxed NZ

[arista]

Isn't isis pretty right wing in itself anyway



Yes they were selling Oil
to buy weapons in their early days
More Evil
than White Terrorists.

As they slowly Cut White Heads off.
Online.

[Twosugars]

Yes they were selling Oil
to buy weapons in their early days
More Evil
than White Terrorists.

As they slowly Cut White Heads off.
Online.

so now we have gradation of terrorism?

desparate

[Beso]

so now we have gradation of terrorism?

desparate

Terrorism is terrorism...I would say it causes more terrorism to define sides.

[Twosugars]

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2019/03/we-need-look-where-far-right-terrorists-are-getting-their-ideological

We need to look at where far-right terrorists are getting their ideological ammunition
As the attack in Christchurch shows, the threat of far-right extremism poses as big a challenge to civil society as Islamist extremism.

BY PAUL STOCKER


The mass shooting at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, which has killed at least 49 people, adds to the grim list of far-right terror attacks that have been increasing over recent years across the globe. Yet, the threat from right-wing terrorism remains blindingly absent from much public discourse on extremism. The atrocity demonstrates what scholars and many of those involved in counter-extremism have been saying for some time: the threat of far-right extremism is a very real one, which poses as big a challenge to civil society as Islamist extremism.

From what we know of the 28-year-old attacker from Australia, Brenton Tarrant, he appears to reflect a standard member of the online far-right community. In a 74-page document entitled “The Great Replacement”, he describes himself as an “ethno nationalist” and makes the usual far-right ideological rantings, notably the conspiracy theory that there is a deliberate plot to replace white Christian civilisation populations with ethnic minorities, notably Muslims. His choice of victims tells us everything we need to know about the salience of anti-Muslim prejudice in far right circles.

His own words can only tell us so much and should be taken with a pinch of salt, however. Much of it is written in an ironic style derivative of online alt-right culture, which, as Robert Evans of Bellingcat has already identified, reflects the practice of "****posting", or, "the act of throwing out huge amounts of content, most of it ironic, low-quality trolling, for the purpose of provoking an emotional reaction in less Internet-savvy viewers". We are better able to understand the motivations of Tarrant from previous attacks, many of which he speaks highly of in the manifesto.

Far-right terrorism and the style of attack witnessed in Christchurch are by no means new but is becoming increasingly common and with a higher casualty list. In one of the most high profile and deadly attacks to date, Timothy McVeigh killed 168 people 24 years ago in the Oklahoma City bombing, while four years later in 1999, Neo-Nazi David Copeland killed three and injured scores in a series of nail bomb attacks in London. More recently, we have seen high profile cases such as Dylan Roof’s mass shooting on a predominantly black church in Charleston, South Carolina in 2015, while last year saw 11 killed by an anti-Semitic white nationalist shooter at a Synagogue in Pittsburgh. The media is often quick to associate far-right terror attacks with mental illness, and mental health is surely an important question in terms of radicalisation, yet all attacks are motivated by a similar ideology – the belief in white supremacism and conspiracy theories which allege sinister plans designed to eradicate the white race.

Terrorism is the most extreme tactic of the far right, who have, over the past three decades demonstrated that their ideas (if astutely presented) can achieve electoral success. The aim of terrorism is, of course, to target and kill outgroups despised by the far right and blamed for the alleged degeneration of western “white” civilisation. Yet, their aims are increasingly about publicity and glorifying racist violence on the internet and social media. They seek to recruit others to the cause by proclaiming themselves, previous attackers and by extension future terrorists as martyrs. Tarrant filmed his attack not just for the world to see, but to radicalise others and encourage them to continue in his footsteps. He has encouraged others to: “make your plans, get training, form alliances, get equipped and then act”.

Tarrant clearly took great inspiration from one of the most notorious far-right attacks which came in 2011, when Anders Breivik murdered 77 (mostly children) in Norway. Breivik’s attack appears most similar to Tarrant’s murder both in terms of weaponry and scale. Writings produced by Breivik and Tarrant are similar in terms of content – which is a mix of white nationalist and Islamophobic slogans, myths and conspiracy theories. In addition to the suffering and casualties caused by the attack itself, far-right terrorist attacks can and indeed seek to influence others. As Tarrant’s document claims: “I support many of those that take a stand against ethnic and cultural genocide [...] Anders Breivik, Dylan Roof”. This will not be the last far-right terror attack and without doubt, many who share Tarrant’s worldview will be inspired and encouraged to conduct similar attacks.

Yet, we cannot look to the small, dispersed white nationalist community alone to understand their actions. The far right more broadly have become emboldened in recent years by global events and mainstream responses. Islamist terror attacks in France, Britain and the United States and the sensationalist reporting which has followed them in the media - have fed into their narrative of a clash between Muslim and Christian civilisations.

The victories of far-right populists in Europe, the election of Donald Trump as well as Brexit – all of which have weaponised Islamophobia in order to achieve success – have all contributed to the far right’s perception that they live in an age of great opportunity for their movement. The far right ultimately crave the oxygen of publicity as a route to respectability, something which has been handed to them on a plate by influential mainstream commentators and politicians who regularly repeat racist and Islamophobic tropes.

Extremists like Tarrant and countless others have been emboldened not just by an online community of the like-minded, but by a much wider pool. It is crucial that when the shock over the senseless murder of (at least) 49 innocents dies down, we focus on both the immediate threat as well calling out those who provide ideological ammunition and succour to violent terrorists.

Dr Paul Stocker is a Senior Fellow at the Centre for Analysis of the Radical Right and a Visiting Fellow at the University of Northampton. He is author of English Uprising: Brexit and the Mainstreaming of the Far Right.

[arista]

[Release the Tibb legend that is LT ]

He returns soon

[Cherie]

Where we stand now is ordinary people from every walk of life who have no axe to grind and just want to go about the business of living are at risk from terrorism from one extremist group or another extremist group, there is little point trying to say one claims more lives than the other or we are more at risk from one or the other, if you or a family member are going about their business at the wrong time these people won't care what colour or creed you are

[Twosugars]

https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/right-wing-extremism-linked-to-every-2018-extremist-murder-in-the-us-adl-finds
Right-Wing Extremism Linked to Every 2018 Extremist Murder in the U.S., Anti-Defamation League Finds
Right-wing extremists killed more people last year than in any year since 1995
New York, NY, January 23, 2019 … Right-wing extremists were linked to at least 50 extremist-related murders in the United States in 2018, making them responsible for more deaths than in any year since 1995, according to new data from the ADL.
In its annual report on extremist-related killings in the U.S., the ADL’s Center on Extremism reported that at least 50 people were killed by extremists in 2018, including the 11 individuals killed in the fatal anti-Semitic attack at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh. The tally represents a 35 percent increase from the 37 extremist-related murders in 2017, making 2018 the fourth-deadliest year on record for domestic extremist-related killings since 1970.
Last year saw the highest percentage of right-wing extremist-related killings since 2012, the last year when all documented killings were by right-wing extremists.
Right-wing extremists killed more people in 2018 than in any year since 1995, the year of Timothy McVeigh’s bomb attack on the Oklahoma City federal building.
“The white supremacist attack in Pittsburgh should serve as a wake-up call to everyone about the deadly consequences of hateful rhetoric,” said Jonathan A. Greenblatt, ADL CEO. “It’s time for our nation’s leaders to appropriately recognize the severity of the threat and to devote the necessary resources to address the scourge of right-wing extremism.”
Last year’s murders at the hands of right-wing extremists reflect an ongoing trend. ADL’s Center on Extremism, which has aggregated data going back to 1970, shows that over the last decade, a total of 73.3 percent of all extremist-related fatalities can be linked to domestic right-wing extremists, while 23.4 percent can be attributed to Islamic extremists. The remaining 3.2 percent were carried out by extremists who did not fall into either category.
Murder and Extremism in 2018: Summary of Major Findings
Every perpetrator had ties to at least one right-wing extremist movement, although one had recently begun supporting Islamist extremism.
Firearms remain the weapon of choice for extremists who kill. Guns were responsible for 42 of the 50 deaths in 2018, followed by blades or edged weapons.
Five shooting sprees resulted in 38 deaths and left 33 people injured.
Among the five extremist-related shooting sprees in 2018: Tree of Life Synagogue, Pittsburgh, PA: 11 dead; Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Parkland, FL: 17 dead; Waffle House, Nashville, TN: four dead.
The perpetrator of the deadly shooting spree at a yoga studio in Tallahassee was connected to the misogynistic incel/manosphere movement. In the wake of this attack and a similarly-motivated spate of murders in Toronto, ADL’s Center on Extremism now tracks such incidents as extremist-related killings.

[arista]

"Right-wing extremists were linked to at least 50 extremist-related murders in the United States"

Of course
Like Isis got Muslim girls to join them in Syria
with Romantic videos online worlswide

[Twosugars]

you saying the far right is missing a trick, romantic videos?

[arista]

you saying the far right is missing a trick, romantic videos?


No The Extreme Right
prefer Violent Videos

[Twosugars]

BBC reporting on hate crimes around Britain following the Christchurch massacre.
Racist scum boasting about the attack.

[The Slim Reaper]

4 mosques attacked with sledgehammers in Birmingham.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-updates-birmingham-mosques-attacked-16005754

BREAKING: FOUR mosques attacked in the space of a few hours
Police have confirmed that FOUR mosques were attacked last night.

Police were called at 2.32am today (21 March) to reports of a man smashing windows with a sledgehammer at the mosque on Birchfield Road.

Officers arrived within minutes, but soon established that the attack had happened some time earlier.

At 3.14am, police were alerted to a similar attack at the mosque on Slade Road, Erdington.

Police began patrols in areas with mosques and came across further damage at places of worship on Witton Road, Aston, and at Broadway, Perry Barr.

Forensic officers are working to identify evidence, and CCTV is being examined.

Neighbourhood officers are working closely with mosques around the West Midlands today.

EDIT: now 5 mosques.

[Cherie]

Hateful people who have nothing better to do

[Livia]

4 mosques attacked with sledgehammers in Birmingham.

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/live-updates-birmingham-mosques-attacked-16005754

BREAKING: FOUR mosques attacked in the space of a few hours
Police have confirmed that FOUR mosques were attacked last night.

Police were called at 2.32am today (21 March) to reports of a man smashing windows with a sledgehammer at the mosque on Birchfield Road.

Officers arrived within minutes, but soon established that the attack had happened some time earlier.

At 3.14am, police were alerted to a similar attack at the mosque on Slade Road, Erdington.

Police began patrols in areas with mosques and came across further damage at places of worship on Witton Road, Aston, and at Broadway, Perry Barr.

Forensic officers are working to identify evidence, and CCTV is being examined.

Neighbourhood officers are working closely with mosques around the West Midlands today.

EDIT: now 5 mosques.

100 antisemitic attacks are reported every month. More Jews are attacked than Muslims... synagogues daubed with swastikas, Jewish graves defiled... but we're still more worried about Muslim attacks.

Can't we be worried about everyone?

[Cherie]

100 antisemitic attacks are reported every month. More Jews are attacked than Muslims... synagogues daubed with swastikas, Jewish graves defiled... but we're still more worried about Muslim attacks.

Can't we be worried about everyone?

Fair point

[Twosugars]

This thread is not one or the other Livia.
Contribute some cases and statistics as TSR did.
No need for one upmanship

[The Slim Reaper]

This thread is not one or the other Livia.
Contribute some cases and statistics as TSR did.
No need for one upmanship

Thanks dude. It's not a competition. This is just a thread for right wing terrorism, so I'd suggest that this thread is the right one if swastikas are being sprayed on synagogues.

[Beso]

Something doesn't sit right with those mosque sledgehammer attacks.

[The Slim Reaper]

Something doesn't sit right with those mosque sledgehammer attacks.

What do you mean? Are you suggesting a false flag operation?

[Beso]

What do you mean? Are you suggesting a false flag operation?

Just seems strange that the cops were called, with the caller saying that a man was in the middle of attacking the mosque, they got there within minutes only to find the attack happened hours earlier....someone didn't want the police present whilst the attack was actually happening...:shrug:

[The Slim Reaper]

Just seems strange that the cops were called, with the caller saying that a man was in the middle of attacking the mosque, they got there within minutes only to find the attack happened hours earlier....someone didn't want the police present whilst the attack was actually happening...:shrug:

Let's play this out; do you think it could be Muslims who attacked their own mosques?

[Beso]

Let's play this out; do you think it could be Muslims who attacked their own mosques?

Could be..or right wing extremists. ..or gay rights activists...it will be one of the 3.

[The Slim Reaper]

Could be..or right wing extremists. ..or gay rights activists...it will be one of the 3.

If it was gay rights activists or right wing extremists, why would they delay phoning the police as you pointed out earlier?

[Beso]

If it was gay rights activists or right wing extremists, why would they delay phoning the police as you pointed out earlier?

I know right, which makes me suspicious of it being staged attack.

[The Slim Reaper]

I know right, which makes me suspicious of it being staged attack.

Could be on to something.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/25/us-mosque-fire-graffiti-new-zealand-shooting

Police are investigating a fire at a southern California mosque on Sunday as a possible arson and hate crime after fresh graffiti on the driveway mentioned the mass shootings at two mosques in New Zealand, local media reported.

Police and firefighters were called to the Islamic Center of Escondido, north of San Diego, about 3:15 am on Sunday about a fire that blackened an outside wall, the San Diego Tribune and other media reported.

Congregants at the center smelled smoke, spotted the fire and put it out before it caused serious damage, before firefighters arrived, media reported.

No one was injured.

But on the mosque’s driveway, police found fresh graffiti that referenced the 15 March shootings at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, that left 50 people dead and others seriously injured from a gunman who published a hate-filled manifesto on social media, police said.


The exact words in the graffiti message were not released by police.

Morning prayers at the mosque were canceled as law enforcement investigated the scene.

Escondido police lieutenant Chris Lick told the Tribune and other media that it appeared that a chemical accelerant was used to set the fire.

No suspects were reported.

Along with local police and fire officials, agents with the FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are investigating the case as both an arson and a hate crime, media reported.

Yusef Miller, a spokesman for the Islamic community in Escondido told the Tribune that people at mosques across the region need to remain vigilant.

“Everyone is on edge,” he told the paper. “When they connected it to New Zealand, it gave us more of a mortal fear that something outlandish might happen.”

Neither law enforcement officials nor Islamic community leaders could immediately be reached early on Monday.

[arista]

Good no one was injured
in Southern California

[Twosugars]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/27/austrian-police-raid-far-right-group-allegedly-linked-to-christchurch-shooter
Austria’s chancellor called Tuesday for authorities to “ruthlessly” investigate possible ties between an Austrian nationalist group and the alleged Christchurch mosque gunman, after it emerged that a prominent far-right activist had received a donation in the suspected shooter’s name.
they're all connected, one big spider web of far right nutters

[Beso]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/mar/25/us-mosque-fire-graffiti-new-zealand-shooting

Police are investigating a fire at a southern California mosque on Sunday as a possible arson and hate crime after fresh graffiti on the driveway mentioned the mass shootings at two mosques in New Zealand, local media reported.

Police and firefighters were called to the Islamic Center of Escondido, north of San Diego, about 3:15 am on Sunday about a fire that blackened an outside wall, the San Diego Tribune and other media reported.

Congregants at the center smelled smoke, spotted the fire and put it out before it caused serious damage, before firefighters arrived, media reported.

No one was injured.

But on the mosque’s driveway, police found fresh graffiti that referenced the 15 March shootings at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, that left 50 people dead and others seriously injured from a gunman who published a hate-filled manifesto on social media, police said.


The exact words in the graffiti message were not released by police.

Morning prayers at the mosque were canceled as law enforcement investigated the scene.

Escondido police lieutenant Chris Lick told the Tribune and other media that it appeared that a chemical accelerant was used to set the fire.

No suspects were reported.

Along with local police and fire officials, agents with the FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives are investigating the case as both an arson and a hate crime, media reported.

Yusef Miller, a spokesman for the Islamic community in Escondido told the Tribune that people at mosques across the region need to remain vigilant.

“Everyone is on edge,” he told the paper. “When they connected it to New Zealand, it gave us more of a mortal fear that something outlandish might happen.”

Neither law enforcement officials nor Islamic community leaders could immediately be reached early on Monday.




Absolutely nothing to do with uk right wing terrorism..I'm surprised Twosugars ain't pulled you up on it by now.

[The Slim Reaper]

Absolutely nothing to do with uk right wing terrorism..I'm surprised Twosugars ain't pulled you up on it by now.

What does the thread title say?

[Beso]

Not sure, is it us in the uk or the USA and the uk?!!+

[Twosugars]

US/UK - pretty clear unless you're trolling

[The Slim Reaper]

US/UK - pretty clear unless you're trolling

Home brand LT.

[Beso]

US/UK - pretty clear unless you're trolling

Well actually you **** stirrer it is not clear at all to me with my eysight...or I wouldn't have made a dick of myself cause I would have seen the US...which should be USA anyway..

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47727275

A US man jailed for murder after a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville has pleaded guilty to hate crimes at a court hearing.

James Alex Fields, 25, a professed neo-Nazi, was convicted on 29 of 30 counts in a deal to avoid the death penalty.

Fields was sentenced last December to life in prison after driving his car into counter-protesters in 2017, killing one person and injuring dozens.

He previously claimed he acted out of fear for his safety.

Fields travelled around 500 miles (804km) from his home in Ohio to attend the Virginia rally.

The "Unite the Right" march was organised to protest against plans to remove a statue of General Robert E Lee, who fought for the pro-slavery Confederacy during the US Civil War.

Counter-protesters turned out to oppose the rally and dozens of people were injured in violence that erupted.

One, 32-year-old Heather Heyer, was killed when Fields drove at the crowd.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/6F59/production/_104550582_041161931.jpg

Graphic video of the incident was widely shared on social media.

In the aftermath, President Donald Trump was criticised for saying there had been "very fine people" on both sides in Charlottesville.

Fields' trial continues.

phone footage of the attack

czc428jdZgo

[arista]

25 year old USA Nazi Jailed.
Good news.

[Twosugars]

Well actually you **** stirrer it is not clear at all to me with my eysight...or I wouldn't have made a dick of myself cause I would have seen the US...which should be USA anyway..

Specsavers, Parm?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Far-right groups and individuals caused 66 deaths and launched 127 attacks in the regions between 2013 and 2017. The majority of attacks, according to the findings, were carried out by lone wolfs with far-right, white nationalist or anti-Muslim beliefs.

in the same period the Muslim total was over 5000

around 700 or so in 2018

Thankfully the eradication of ISIS will mean this number will decrease as we go through 2019.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

[Livia]

Thanks dude. It's not a competition. This is just a thread for right wing terrorism, so I'd suggest that this thread is the right one if swastikas are being sprayed on synagogues.

Am I the only one who knows though? Because I'm the only one who ever mentions it.

[Livia]

This thread is not one or the other Livia.
Contribute some cases and statistics as TSR did.
No need for one upmanship

Whatever did I do here without you here to show me - constantly - where I was going wrong.

[Twosugars]

Whatever did I do here without you here to show me - constantly - where I was going wrong.
Idk, but those days are over Livia so don't fret anymore :)

[Beso]

Specsavers, Parm?

I will stick with my 1 pound shop reading glasses thank you very much.

[Cherie]

I will stick with my 1 pound shop reading glasses thank you very much.

:joker:

[Twosugars]

I will stick with my 1 pound shop reading glasses thank you very much.

calling them reading glasses if you complain you can't read posts correctly is a bit of a stretch :hee:

[Beso]

calling them reading glasses if you complain you can't read posts correctly is a bit of a stretch :hee:

people should type them out correctly, and less lazily, by using correct abbreviations.

[Twosugars]

people should type them out correctly, and less lazily, by using correct abbreviations.

US is correct, alongside USA

[Crimson Dynamo]

Parmy is bang on right

It's USA

[user104658]

Whatever did I do here without you here to show me - constantly - where I was going wrong.

You had me :kiss:

[Twosugars]

Parmy is bang on right

It's USA

No, he isn't.
Look up any online style and grammar site: US, U.S. or USA/U.S.A are all acceptable

like you also say UK not UKGB&NI

[Twosugars]

You had me :kiss:

Now she's got us both: TS and TS2 :hee:

[The Slim Reaper]

It's POTUS not POTUSA.

[Beso]

No, he isn't.
Look up any online style and grammar site: US, U.S. or USA/U.S.A are all acceptable

like you also say UK not UKGB&NI

The ones with the dots are NOT acceptable.

[Twosugars]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/02/man-who-plotted-mps-avoids-retrial-for-national-action-membership
Man who plotted MP's murder avoids retrial for National Action membership
Neo-Nazi Jack Renshaw revealed to be convicted paedophile after case dismissed

A neo-Nazi who admitted plotting the murder of the Labour MP Rosie Cooper will not face a second retrial for membership of the banned group National Action.

Jack Renshaw, 23, bought a 48cm (19in) gladius knife to kill the West Lancashire MP and a female police officer against whom he had a grudge, the Old Bailey heard. The plan was scuppered by Robbie Mullen, who was at a meeting in a pub when Renshaw announced he was going to kill Cooper.

It happened just a year after the Labour MP Jo Cox was fatally stabbed and shot by the far-right extremist Thomas Mair.

Renshaw, from Skelmersdale, Lancashire, had admitted making preparations to kill his local MP in 2017 and making a threat to kill the police officer Victoria Henderson, who was investigating him.

However, he denied membership of the banned extreme rightwing group National Action, as did Andrew Clarke, 34, and Michael Trubini, 36, from Warrington.

The jury deliberated for more than 48 hours but were unable to reach majority verdicts on any of the defendants following the retrial. The judge, Mrs Justice McGowan, discharged the jury after being told there was no prospect of them reaching verdicts if given more time.

The prosecutor, Duncan Atkinson QC, told the court that after careful consideration a decision had been made not to seek a further retrial.

It can now be reported that Renshaw is a convicted paedophile who was jailed for 16 months last June months after he groomed two underage boys online.

Jurors at Preston crown court found him guilty of four counts of inciting a child to engage in sexual activity.

The court heard how the convicted National Action leader, Christopher Lythgoe, 32, of Warrington, and his right-hand man Matthew Hankinson, 24, from Merseyside, were present when Renshaw outlined his plans.

National Action is the first extreme rightwing group to be proscribed by the government since the second world war. It was banned in December 2016 by the then home secretary, Amber Rudd, over its support of Cox’s murder.

Lythgoe reacted to the news of the MP’s death by telling members they would “just shed one skin for another”. The north-west contingent continued to meet in pubs and trained together at a mixed martial arts gym in Warrington, it was alleged.

Mullen, however, became disillusioned and began leaking information about National Action to the campaign group Hope Not Hate. By July 2017, Renshaw was on police bail for making hate speeches, for which he was later convicted.

Having decided to try to die via “suicide by cop” rather than face a seven-year jail term, he bought a large machete to take revenge on Henderson and kill Cooper. Renshaw unveiled his plan at the Friar Penketh pub in Warrington on 1 July 2017. Afterwards, Mullen, 25, from Widnes, Cheshire, reported the threat to Hope Not Hate and Renshaw was arrested.

Mullen, who was granted immunity from prosecution, told jurors: “He said he was going to kill his local MP, Rosie Cooper. I said:” ‘Are you sure?’ and he said: ‘Yeah’.

“He said he would kill her, then try to take some hostages to lure the police officer that was investigating him to try to kill her because she was the reason behind it all. He said his mind was made up. He had bought a machete.”

Renshaw said he would wear a fake suicide vest so he would be killed by police, Mullen added.

As she discharged the jury from returning verdicts, Mrs Justice McGowan told them: “You have obviously worked your way through all the material so we understand and respect the decision you have made.”

She remanded Renshaw into custody to be sentenced on 17 May.

[arista]

Yes good job one of that group gave him up to the Police.
Just in time.

[Liam-]

Doesn’t like foreigners but he’ll shag little boys, we love the hypocrisy of the far right

[Twosugars]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/03/muslims-jews-white-supremacists
Muslims and Jews face a common threat from white supremacists. We must fight it together
From Christchurch to Pittsburgh, the two communities are under attack. It is time to stand united
Jonathan Freedland and Mehdi Hasan


The two of us have been having the exact same conversation for the past decade. About antisemitism and Islamophobia. One of us a Muslim, the other a Jew, we have conducted it in public and in private, on Twitter and on TV. We’ve agreed; we’ve argued; we’ve even wandered off topic to trade tips on how to get through a fast. Now we’ve come together because of the urgent and common threat that we face. Both of our communities are under violent attack from far-right white supremacists.

In Christchurch, New Zealand, last month a white supremacist gunned down 50 Muslims at prayer. In Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, last October a white supremacist gunned down 11 Jews at prayer. Both killers were clear in their loathing of both Jews and Muslims. Both subscribed to the “great replacement theory”, which casts Muslims and other minorities as “invaders” of western societies and a threat to white, Christian majorities. In this narrative, the supposed invasion is a wicked plot orchestrated by the same hidden hand behind all malign events through world history: the Jews. The point was put concisely in an online remark reposted by the Pittsburgh murderer: “It’s the filthy EVIL jews Bringing the Filthy EVIL Muslims into the Country!!”

This is how our haters see us: Jews and Muslims connected in a joint enterprise to effect a “white genocide”. It is an unhinged and racist conspiracy theory – and it has both of our communities in its murderous sights. So there can only be one response: Muslims and Jews must stand and fight it together.

We realise this will not be easy. Both of us are deeply rooted in our respective communities, and we know them well enough to recognise that there are plenty of Jews and Muslims who have long seen the other as an opponent, even as an enemy. Given the deep connection that Jews and Muslims feel with Israel/Palestine, that is perhaps unsurprising.

We understand how this has come about. Jews and Muslims have spilled each other’s blood, in acts of violence that have left deep scars. Jihadists have targeted Jews across continental Europe, whether it be the killing of children in a school in Toulouse in 2012 or shoppers at a kosher supermarket in Paris in 2015. Muslims share the pain of Palestinians living through more than half a century of brutal Israeli occupation, with regular eruptions of violence that have left civilians, including children, dead. To be clear: we are not playing a game of moral equivalence here; rather, we are recognising the reasons for mutual antagonism.

Nor are we denying that there is much prejudice within each community towards the other. Witness the leader of a New Zealand mosque who recently suggested that the massacre in Christchurch was the secret handiwork of Mossad: an age-old, anti-Jewish conspiracy theory in contemporary garb. Or listen to the interfaith activist appalled to discover that a Facebook group of her fellow British Jews was awash with anti-Muslim racism. Across the Muslim-majority world, anti-Jewish tropes and conspiracies have been endorsed and even repopularised. In the US, right-wing Jewish figures have been among the most prominent supporters of the “Islamophobia network”. There is a shared error here: both the Muslim who hates Jews and the Jew who hates Muslims forget that the white supremacist hates them both. But that such people exist is proof that the narrative of white supremacism does not just infect white communities – it can infect us all.

Just as we acknowledge that the communities we were born into harbour prejudice, so we are ready to say the same of our chosen political community. We need no lectures on the importance of tackling antisemitism and Islamophobia on the left as well as on the right. Both of us have condemned Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party for its failure to tackle anti-Jewish racism within its ranks, while one of us has discussed the importance of avoiding antisemitic tropes in conversation with the controversial Democratic congresswoman Ilhan Omar, who herself has been the victim of liberal Islamophobes. Both of us have condemned anti-Muslim bigotry in liberal-left circles too, whether it be the British scientist Richard Dawkins comparing Islam to cancer less than a fortnight after the Christchurch massacre, or US TV show host Bill Maher referring to Islam as “the mafia”.

But this is no time for whataboutism. Yes, the jihadist threat to Jews has not gone away. Yes, some liberals have an Islamophobia problem, while some on the left are guilty of antisemitism, both of which can cause our communities to feel fearful and isolated. Fascism, however, is back with a vengeance. The growing and lethal threat to life and limb for Muslims and Jews is now coming not from the far left but from an emboldened and violent far right. In the US, in 2018, every single one of the 50 extremist-related murders was linked to the far right, according to the Anti-Defamation League. In the UK, according to the Home Office, between 2017 and 2018 the number of white suspects arrested for terror offences outstripped those of any other ethnic group – the first time in more than a decade. In Germany, official figures suggest that nine out of 10 antisemitic crimes in 2017 were perpetrated by members of far-right or neo-Nazi groups.

Should we be surprised? White supremacists are on the march. They see Islam as incompatible with western life. We reject that claim wholeheartedly. Jews too were long told their faith had no place in western society: they were wrong about Judaism and they are wrong about Islam.

That these two hatreds are linked on the right is clear, and not only in the minds of deranged killers. A recent Pew survey of 15 western European countries found that “attitudes toward Jews and Muslims are highly correlated with each other. People who express negative opinions about Muslims are more likely than others to also express negative views of Jews.”In the US, a Gallup study in 2010found people “who say they feel ‘a great deal’ of prejudice… toward Jews are about 32 times as likely to report feeling ‘a great deal’ of prejudice toward Muslims”. Put simply, the kind of people who hate one of us are more likely to hate the other too.

Such people are animated by a racist ideology that goes wide and deep, amplified by powerful politicians of the right at the highest levels. Take Donald Trump, who says “Islam hates us”, and bans Muslims from five countries – but also rails against “globalists”, understood by antisemites as code for Jews, and in particular, the antisemites’ favourite bogeyman, George Soros. Or top Brexiter Nigel Farage, who speaks of a “Jewish lobby” and condemns Soros as “the biggest danger to the entire western world” – but has also denounced “wholly Muslim” areas of London and gave us the infamous “Breaking Point” poster.

In our view, it is no coincidence that the rise of Trump and Brexit has been matched by a rise in hate crimes on both sides of the Atlantic targeting both of our communities. In the US, hate crimes against Jews rose by more than a third and accounted for 58% of all religion-based hate crimes in 2017, with Muslims in second place, while in the UK, more than half of religiously motivated attacks in 2018 were aimed at Muslims, with Jews not far behind.

This is the climate in which we are both worried about the safety of our children. We share each other’s fears. And we both welcome signs that others are beginning to do the same. It’s heartening that Muslim groups raised more than $200,000 for bereaved families at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, and heartening too that the Jewish Federation of Greater Pittsburgh is now raising money for the victims of the New Zealand mosque attacks.

They are setting an example for us all. It is long past time that we Muslims and we Jews looked beyond our undeniable differences, recognise that we face a common and deadly threat, and agree there is only one way to fight it: together.

• Jonathan Freedland is a columnist for the Guardian based in London; Mehdi Hasan is a senior contributor to The Intercept based in Washington DC

[Twosugars]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/05/far-right-terrorists-one-step-ahead-police-hope-not-hate

Far-right terrorists are one step ahead of you in UK, police told
Security services ‘don’t know where threat is coming from’, says charity Hope Not Hate

The UK’s police and security services remain dangerously ill-equipped to identify and counter the long-term terrorism threat from a new wave of far-right politics, according to researchers who helped head off a plot to assassinate a Labour MP.

The anti-racism charity Hope not Hate was instrumental in foiling a plan to murder the West Lancashire MP Rosie Cooper. The legal case at the centre of this plot came to a conclusion on Tuesday.

Senior security figures including the head of MI5, Andrew Parker; the head of UK counter-terrorism policing, Neil Basu; and the Metropolitan police commissioner, Cressida Dick, have warned that the far-right threat is growing rapidly.

But Hope Not Hate (HNH), whose undercover operative Robbie Mullen exposed the plot to kill Cooper after infiltrating the banned neo-Nazi group National Action (NA), said the security services and police were failing to keep up with potential terrorists.

“They don’t know where the threat is coming from and don’t know where to find it, and then they lump in what they think is a threat from the far left,” said Matthew Collins, a research director at HNH, who was also Mullen’s handler.

After the effective destruction of NA – which was the first far-right group to be banned in Britain since the second world war – HNH warned of the long-term threat from a young generation of violent neo-Nazis who have emerged from splits in the far right.

The charity cited groups such as the Sonnenkrieg (Sun war) Division, which HNH described as the third generation of NA.

“The far-right terror threat has always been there. People in groups like C18 have always had sick dreams and fantasies of killing black and Asian people, but they rarely went and did it because they didn’t want to die themselves or go to prison for a long time,” said Collins.

“That’s why National Action and the Atomwaffen [Nuclear weapons] Division, an American group, have been developing the idea of a ‘white jihad’. That was to persuade and convince people that there was spiritual reason for why they could die or go to prison.”

The police have been slow to grasp such concepts, he added, and have largely still been reliant on tipoffs, 999 calls out of the blue, or terrorists making mistakes.

“Those who are involved in groups like the Sonnenkrieg Division have been meeting on gaming forums and other places. The groups that are picking up where NA left off are smaller and more dangerous. If one gets banned they then pick up the mantle and run with it.”

According to academics, extremist groups are using the resurgence of rightwing politics, particularly online but also on the streets, as friendly territory within which they can act more openly and recruit.

“Globally we are seeing the rise of right populism,” said Jacob Davey, a researcher at ISD Global, which helps to design and implement counter-radicalisation strategies. “We can see more extreme groups pushing and pulling and engaging with these and using this as an opportunity.”

Individuals and groups with hard-right ideologies infiltrate into groups that they see have parallel, but legitimate grievances, he said. “The Football Lads Alliance initially had thousands of people at their demonstrations and I would have hesitated to call that a far-right movement; I think it was a lot of people who were legitimately concerned about terror. But what you see is entry into these groups by the far right.”

Online communities developing around these radical, but comparatively soft rightwing ideologies are also used by more extreme groups as a gateway to direct potential recruits harder material hosted on private chats hosted on WhatsApp, Telegram and Discord servers.

“Social media is crucial to the current expansion of the extreme right,” Davey said. “It’s lowered the barrier to getting involved in the extreme right. Twenty years ago if you were that way inclined … you had to go to a certain pub, you had to go to make your way to a certain rally.

“But also you [were] more publicly aligned with these groups, you might lose your job, you might lose friends or family.”

A shared culture links adherents, rather than loyalty to one particular group, said Paul Jackson, a historian who specialises in the history of fascism. The most extreme coalesce around an ideology – revolutionary ultranationalism or racially driven politics – that rejects liberal democracy, and distinguishes them from rightwing figures such as Nigel Farage or Tommy Robinson.

“This type of neo-Nazism is more intellectual than perhaps you may find within neo-Nazis of the Blood and Honour white power music scene, which used to be the youth culture, but now they are getting on to their 50s and 60s,” Jackson said.

“It likes to see itself as extreme within the wider far-right milieu. National Action would comment disparagingly on the English Defence League and the BNP as dad-like figures who didn’t have the necessary dynamism.”

However, they were more of a “talking shop revelling in the idea of violence” rather than an actual violent extremist cell planning attacks, Jackson said. “The danger is that people on the fringes decide to act by themselves. That’s what we find with people like [Jo Cox’s killer] Thomas Mair or Anders Breivik.”

The number of people referred to the UK government’s counter-extremism programme over concerns about far-right activity has risen by more than a third, recent figures show.

A Home Office spokesperson said: “Our counter-terrorism strategy, Contest, addresses all forms of terrorism and no individual or group is free to spread hate or incite violence. We do not routinely comment on whether organisations are or are not under consideration for proscription.”

[arista]

"That’s what we find with people like [Jo Cox’s killer] "


Yes a Evil Nazi one off
Terrorist.

Picked a Easy Target.

[Twosugars]

"That’s what we find with people like [Jo Cox’s killer] "


Yes a Evil Nazi one off
Terrorist.

Picked a Easy Target.

not one off

a plan to murder the West Lancashire MP Rosie Cooper
that was another

not to mention many death threads coming MPs way, some of them may try their luck

[arista]

not one off


that was another

not to mention many death threads coming MPs way, some of them may try their luck


He got arrested before
he could kill anyone.

[Twosugars]

that's not the point

the point is there was a credible attempt

if they catch terrorists before bombing it doesn't make them not terrorists does it

[Twosugars]

.From Christchurch to Colombo, Islamists and the far right are playing a deadly duet
Scott Atran
The atrocities in Sri Lanka are part of a spiral of violence that poses profound questions for liberal societies



How should we make sense of the Easter Sunday church and hotel bombings in Sri Lanka that killed more than 250 people and wounded 500? Now that Islamic State appears to have claimed responsibility for the attacks, the question arises: is this merely the latest symptom of an epidemic of Islamist violence, motivated by a belief in offensive jihad (“holy war”)?

The answer is complex and not necessarily in line with public perceptions. Islamist terrorism has been decreasing globally, and particularly in the west, since its peak in 2014-15 when Isis established its caliphate. In recent years, however, far-right supremacist terrorism has risen sharply, to more than one-third of terror attacks globally, even accounting for every extremist killing in the US in 2018. Yet it was more likely to be overlooked or tolerated by western polities, because of cultural history, familiarity and legal protections extended to domestic groups (such as US constitutional safeguards for freedom of speech and the right to bear arms). Thus, attacks by Muslims between 2006 and 2015 received 4.6 times more coverage in US media than other terrorist attacks (controlling for target type, fatalities, arrests).

These two violent ideologies are not separate, but work in tandem, hammering away at the political order, which is increasingly vulnerable for a number of reasons. In reaction to last month’s massacre at mosques in Christchurch, Isis spokesman Abu Hassan al-Muhajir called for Muslims “to avenge their religion” anywhere and everywhere. And that, according to a video posted this week under the Isis banner, was precisely the “bloody reward” meted out to worshippers and tourists in Sri Lanka. In the west, far-right leaders, such as Gerard Batten of Ukip, intimated that this was an attack by Islam on Christianity, which mainstream officials apparently won’t acknowledge because, as Batten tweeted, “the world does not fear [Christians], as it does the ‘religion of peace’” – a perceived asymmetry that the Christchurch suspect had sought to reverse by live-streaming his actions on the internet.

The spread of this transnational terrorism, whether Islamist revivalism or resurgent ethno-nationalism, is fragmenting the social and political consensus globally. That is precisely its aim: to create the void that will usher in a new world, with no room for innocents on the other side, and no “grey zone” in between.

So far this century, it has mostly taken the form of offensive jihad. Through extreme violence and intimidation, but also via the persuasive promotion of absolutist beliefs, the goal is to advance a strict and radical form of Islamic governance everywhere that “chaos and savagery” (tawahoush) can be created. But now, far-right supremacist terrorism is gaming off the jihadist threat, much as fascism played off communism. Jihadist groups, in turn, after diminishing in countercultural appeal following the killing of Osama bin Laden and Isis’s military defeats, are poised for renewal as attractors to the disaffected: in part because of the rise of the far right, in part because the socio-political conditions that gave rise to these groups have not appreciably changed.

Far-right terrorism has increasingly co-opted key jihadist precepts and tactics (although it tends to involve lone actors linked mainly through social media). In 2007, the supremacist group Aryan Nations proclaimed an “Aryan jihad” to destroy the “Judaic-tyrannical” system of “so-called western democratic states”. Dylann Roof, who in 2015 killed nine African-American churchgoers in South Carolina, made his own link. Responding to a court examiner, he said he was “like a Palestinian in an Israeli jail after killing nine people … the Palestinian would not be upset or have any regret”. As a prelude to the Christchurch attack, the suspect posted a manifesto citing Roof and Anders Breivik, the Norwegian who killed scores of leftist youth in 2011, as inspirations. It adopts a version of the jihadists’ reasoning to justify mass killing as moral virtue: appealing to a transnational brotherhood in a clash of civilisations that pits one global identity (the white race) against another (Islam) in a fight to the death for survival, with no place for bystanders or fence-sitters.

The question, after Sri Lanka, is how an ostensibly weakened Isis has found itself able to respond. In a 2017-18 study of young men emerging from Isis rule in the Mosul region, my research team found that most Sunni Arabs we interviewed and tested had initially embraced Isis as “the revolution” (al-Thawra). Although many came to reject Isis’s brutality, the group had imbued them with two of its most cherished values: strict belief in sharia, and belief in a Sunni Arab homeland as opposed to a unified Iraq. Moreover, those who believe in these values expressed significantly greater willingness to fight and die than supporters of a unified Iraq. Isis may have lost its state but not necessarily the allegiance of people in the region to its core values.

In a follow-up study in 2018-19, most of those surveyed said Isis couldn’t be eliminated as a belief system or expunged physically without changing the disadvantaged religious, social and economic pre-Isis conditions under which Sunni Arabs still see themselves living. Indeed, over the past week, Isis has been able to retake Syrian territory in the mountains near Raqqa and the eastern desert; and in several Sunni areas of Iraq (Makhmour, Kirkuk, the Anbar desert) Isis bands attack government forces by day and take over villages at night at a pace similar to that seen just before the caliphate’s creation.

As the caliphate was being crushed by a coalition of powerful nations, Isis media declared the group’s intention to step up external operations. The Sri Lanka bombings show many of the features that Isis’s external operations branch, known in Arabic as Emni, developed in Europe to enlist local sympathisers, culminating with the November 2015 Paris and March 2016 Brussels attacks. In 2014, at least 21 Isis operatives were sent back from Syria into Europe to attack soft targets. All the plots except one were foiled owing to a failure to cultivate local facilitation networks. In contrast, the “success” of the Paris and Brussels attacks owes largely to Isis engaging an extensive network of overlapping and preexisting local social ties among families, friends, workmates and petty criminal bands clustered in particular neighbourhoods.

Although as yet there is no evidence that Isis-Emni directed or contracted out the bombings, there is clear indication of a strong attachment to Emni methods. The two local Islamist groups that Sri Lanka’s defence minister held responsible for the Easter bombings had hitherto mostly occupied themselves with vandalising Buddhist relics and shrines. But the Easter operation included multi-site coordination, somewhat sophisticated ordnance, suicide attacks and the targeting of Christians and foreign tourists.

Isis’s Amaq news agency published a video showing eight of the nine supposed suicide attackers pledging allegiance to Isis leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. An earlier video on the Al-Ghuraba website showed the eight men posing under the Isis banner, and pictured Abu Mohammed al-Adnani, who directed Emni until he was killed in an American airstrike in Syria in 2016, warning about “exploding into the bastions of the infidels”. According to Sri Lanka’s prime minister, Ranil Wickremesinghe, some of the men “travelled abroad and have come back”, suggesting they may have been among the scores of Sri Lankan fighters who had returned from Syria, now minded to avenge the almost mirror-image actions of the far right that will surely be mirrored back, again and again.

The world’s postwar trend toward greater tolerance and less violence relative to the past – including democracy’s spread to a majority of the world’s nations – risks being thrown into reverse, spurred by varieties of transnational terrorism that provoke and intensify one another. Constraining these radical forces demands more than countering their violent expression. Maintaining a more tolerant, less violent world requires dealing squarely with the underlying causes of these emerging forces. Chief among these is the failure of the global market economy to sustain cultures and communities that provide identity, meaning and purpose in life even when people’s material conditions are wanting. Terrorism is one response to this failure; the rise of authoritarian regimes that give a parochial sense of community is another. The complex and onerous task of liberal societies is to make the space for a third.

• Scott Atran is an anthropologist and founding fellow of the Centre for the Resolution of Intractable Conflict at the University of Oxford

[Twosugars]

Thirty-three rightwing extremists were held under anti-terror laws last year, a steady rise which coincided with another decrease in the number of Islamist extremists detained.

The figures, released by the Home Office, compare with the 28, 10 and six people from a suspected far-right background who were detained in previous years.
The Guardian

[Twosugars]

Police have said the fastest-growing threat of terrorist violence in the UK is from the far right, with seven of the 22 plots to cause mass casualties since March 2017 being driven by extreme rightwing ideology.

They said referrals to anti-radicalisation programmes of those feared to be at risk of committing far-right terrorist acts had doubled between 2016 and 2018, and were expected to rise further.
The Guardian

[Cherie]

Can we make the point that not all right wingers are terrorists :hehe:

[Twosugars]

Can we make the point that not all right wingers are terrorists :hehe:

Nobody does.
First of all rightwingers are not terrorists
Not even all of far right are, just some

Note the difference between right wing, hard right wing and far right :)

[Cherie]

Nobody does.
First of all rightwingers are not terrorists
Not even all of far right are, just some

Note the difference between right wing, hard right wing and fat right :)

A new wing..the fat right :hehe:

[Twosugars]

A new wing..the fat right :hehe:

Lol:laugh:

[Twosugars]

Incorrect on many levels lol, they are more likely to be skinny and consumed with anger :laugh: