Labour announce backing for 2nd Brexit vote

[Greg!]

https://news.sky.com/story/labour-announce-backing-for-a-second-brexit-referendum-11648217

WHEW!

[Greg!]

****ing finally.

[Twosugars]

about bloody time
hope it's not too late

[Smithy]

:fc:

[Liam-]

Way to isolate a big portion of their voters

[Mitchell]

Finally

[Oliver_W]

flip-flop...

[The Slim Reaper]

The right move, it's crazy that this long, slow, walk off a cliff has been allowed without anyone trying to stop it.

[Denver]

Makes Belerus sound like a country of the people.

[Denver]

Labour are **** scared as they are losing supporters.

Rather then calling elections they should sort out their racist leader

[reece(:]

about bloody time
hope it's not too late

these were my words exactly when I read this

[Denver]

Why are people so desperate for the opinion of the people ri be taken away?

If it happens once it will keep happening

[Underscore]

Too little, way too ****ing late.

I wish they announced this two years ago.

They're not duping me back to them.

[Smithy]

Why are people so desperate for the opinion of the people ri be taken away?

If it happens once it will keep happening

Because the people weren’t given a set outline of what leave would entail

It’s like having a vote let’s go on holiday or let’s not go on holiday voting that you’re gonna go on holiday then means you have to make up your mind where you’re going, and if the destination is ****ing Syria why would you bother

[Liam-]

If another referendum is called it’ll set a precedent of the government being able to do whatever the **** they want no matter what the public call for, do we really want to live in a country like that? I don’t

[reece(:]

Realistically the ballot needs to be May's deal (or extend A50 for renegotiation) / no deal

[bots]

Corbyn is only doing it because he was given an ultimatum by a wad of mp's ready to join the independent group ....

[Denver]

If another referendum is called it’ll set a precedent of the government being able to do whatever the **** they want no matter what the public call for, do we really want to live in a country like that? I don’t

It will just allow prime minister to remain in charge regardless

We are seeing it in many countries now that disregard the vote of the public

[Liam-]

Realistically the ballot needs to be May's deal (or extend A50 for renegotiation) / no deal

Best of both worlds

[Greg!]

Realistically the ballot needs to be May's deal (or extend A50 for renegotiation) / no deal

Remain has to be an option otherwise what’s the point

[Denver]

Remain has to be an option otherwise what’s the point

Because the country voted to exit abd if you want a country where the peoples opinion matters then you cant change vote everytime if doesn't fit the system you want

[Greg!]

Because the country voted to exit abd if you want a country where the peoples opinion matters then you cant change vote everytime if doesn't fit the system you want

Well excuse me honey my country is Scotland and we voted to REMAIN. If the UK was a true union of equals like the EU our wishes would’ve been respected and we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place

[Smithy]

Because the country voted to exit abd if you want a country where the peoples opinion matters then you cant change vote everytime if doesn't fit the system you want

The country was lied to, the whole vote should be nullified

[Mitchell]

Well excuse me honey my country is Scotland and we voted to REMAIN. If the UK was a true union of equals like the EU our wishes would’ve been respected and we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place
I agree that Scotland and Northern Ireland have been given an unfair deal when they voted to remain

[Denver]

Well excuse me honey my country is Scotland and we voted to REMAIN. If the UK was a true union of equals like the EU our wishes would’ve been respected and we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place

The vote was based on every single person who voted had a say.

Not everyone in Scotland wanted to remain like nobody in Scotland wanted to leave the UK

[Liam-]

Wales voted leave, should our views not be respected or wishes not granted?

[Mitchell]

The country was lied to, the whole vote should be nullified

Yep the illegal spending and the lies, in my opinion both campaigns gave way too many fantastical scenarios.

Plus look at both Farage and Rees Mogg saying that if remain won they’d be calling for a second referendum, but cos leave won they all of a sudden don’t believe that.

[Mitchell]

The vote was based on every single person who voted had a say.

Not everyone in Scotland wanted to remain like nobody in Scotland wanted to leave the UK

One of the main reasons that Scotland lost the indyref was because of the UK’s membership to the EU

[reece(:]

I agree that Scotland and Northern Ireland have been given an unfair deal when they voted to remain

Northern Ireland are getting it worse, they voted to remain and their gov (DUP) want to leave

[Denver]

Like the EU wont even be a thing in 10 years

[Smithy]

Wales voted leave, should our views not be respected or wishes not granted?
Er no, it’s ****ing Wales

[Denver]

Er no, it’s ****ing Wales

Why are you so bothered anyway when Guernsey isn't even part of the EU

[Mitchell]

Northern Ireland are getting it worse, they voted to remain and their gov (DUP) want to leave

The safety of the Irish people is in danger too, which is obviously worrying.

Scotland deserve a second independence referendum, especially considering remain one in every local authority area.

[Liam-]

Er no, it’s ****ing Wales

Well that’s fun politics

[Denver]

Scotland wouldn't last on their own let's be honest

[Smithy]

Why are you so bothered anyway when Guernsey isn't even part of the EU

Because I’m from the U.K./ a British citizen/ know the benefits of the EU/know the £ will go to **** if the U.K. leaves

[Greg!]

Scotland wouldn't last on their own let's be honest

Attitudes like this is why so many people support independence. Scotland can be just as successful as the dozens of other small independent European countries without getting our taxes squandered by Westminster

[Denver]

Attitudes like this is why so many people support independence. Scotland can be just as successful as the dozens of other small independent European countries without getting our taxes squandered by Westminster

You rely on British Businesses

[Mitchell]

Scotland wouldn't last on their own let's be honest

Well let them try if they want to, I think the UK would struggle without Scotland, but that’s what happens when you treat them like ****

[Denver]

Well let them try if they want to, I think the UK would struggle without Scotland, but that’s what happens when you treat them like ****

Scotland would not have rights to any of the British business so instantly lose out on that and all British Factories will be moved elsewhere

[The Slim Reaper]

Scotland would not have rights to any of the British business so instantly lose out on that and all British Factories will be moved elsewhere

Bit like the EU to us then?

[Mitchell]

I mean I’d personally trust SNP to run a government more than weak and wobbly Theresa or any of the ERG lot

[Liam-]

Yeah Scotland should have another referendum if they want to, but if they vote to stay again, then Miss Nicola should take the hint

[Denver]

Bit like the EU to us then?

Yes but how many European businesses do we rely on apart from the German supermarkets and Ikea

[Denver]

I mean I’d personally trust SNP to run a government more than weak and wobbly Theresa or any of the ERG lot

A xenophobic leader in charge? No thanks

[The Slim Reaper]

Yes but how many European businesses do we rely on apart from the German supermarkets and Ikea

This is a serious question?

[Denver]

We need other EU countries to grow a back bone so we can finally pull down the EU all they do is steal money and it goes nowhere but their own pockets

[The Slim Reaper]

We need other EU countries to grow a back bone so we can finally pull down the EU all they do is steal money and it goes nowhere but their own pockets

Avoid the point but fine, good luck hoping other countries are as backward thinking as us.

[Denver]

Avoid the point but fine, good luck hoping other countries are as backward thinking as us.

Well France want out but they wont section an referendum and countries like Italy, Bulgaria, Greece etc are not happy with certain things.

Including how the EU has totally destroyed Greece's economy

[Denver]

Also a lot of the counties are not happy with support of Turkey becoming members

[The Slim Reaper]

Well France want out but they wont section an referendum and countries like Italy, Bulgaria, Greece etc are not happy with certain things.

Including how the EU has totally destroyed Greece's economy

A section of France want out, but 61% of the public believe the EU has been a benefit to their nation, so that's not true.

Italy is a different case as they've always toyed with right/far right politics (I'm being kind), and to expand on this further, a politician was recently discovered to have been personally funded by Putin, who would definitely be a major beneficiary from the collapse of the EU.

[MTVN]

Still not clear on what the options should be on a second referendum

Ok so have Mays deal and No Deal but those aren't the only two visions of Leave and what if Remain wins the referendum but without a majority? Or it's quite likely Remain gets a majority but on a lower turn out so fewer people vote for it than voted Leave

This could actually help May if it scares the Brexiteers into backing her deal

[Twosugars]

let's face it, the issue of EU membership is absolutely huge
the ref was mishandled
it was advisory and the majority was not big enough

such a complex issue should be discussed beforehand with possible scenarios and projections prepared by independent experts
then the ref should be set as decisive and the majority should be set to, say 55%

the remainers are not prepared to let the country go down the pan bc of such flimsy and controversial result

[Jack_]

I’m not convinced there’s a majority in parliament in support of a second referendum which is what has made this whole issue re. the Labour leadership rather futile

Having said that it was agreed on at conference so it seems only right that moves are made in that direction. The main concern is and should be ensuring we don’t crash out without a deal though, the way the PM is behaving is a disgrace

[Kazanne]

Because the country voted to exit abd if you want a country where the peoples opinion matters then you cant change vote everytime if doesn't fit the system you want

Exactly,it's like the vote to leave doesn't count and to suggest people didnt know what they were voting for is an insult,most people who want out are the older people so they WILL have an idea what it would be like as they lived ok before we joined, What a terrible way to be really,"Oh we dont like the way that vote went,lets pretend they didn't know what they were doing " What's the point in voting if our vote isnt adhered to unless it fits certain groups. The country voted out the only fair thing to do is get out,but it's a long time since Britain was fair,so the sore losers will probs get thier way.

[bots]

Still not clear on what the options should be on a second referendum

Ok so have Mays deal and No Deal but those aren't the only two visions of Leave and what if Remain wins the referendum but without a majority? Or it's quite likely Remain gets a majority but on a lower turn out so fewer people vote for it than voted Leave

This could actually help May if it scares the Brexiteers into backing her deal

the brexiteers and quite a proportion of the labour party wont vote for a new ref, so i don't know how the figures will add up.

I agree that a simple yes/no is no longer appropriate, and if then the leave option is split into 2 or 3 options, it also splits the vote leaving it free for remain. Re-asking the same question is the only "workable" option at this point even though its stupid, but no other option will be considered fair by the conflicting interests.

[Oliver_W]

Also a lot of the counties are not happy with support of Turkey becoming members

I don't see why any Western nation would be happy about that vile prospect...

[Matthew.]

A xenophobic leader in charge? No thanks

Leave our Nicola alone! :nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

labours who non-stance on Brexit is an absolute disgrace

singularly useless

[Denver]

Leave our Nicola alone! :nono:

She made it clear she hates anyone who isn't Scottish

[Crimson Dynamo]

She made it clear she hates anyone who isn't Scottish

QUEEN OF TASTE

[Matthew.]

She made it clear she hates anyone who isn't Scottish

Mood tbh

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[Rob!]

I can’t see it being ‘aye’d’ but it’ll be a scream if it does

[Greg!]

She made it clear she hates anyone who isn't Scottish

Did she aye?

[Underscore]

We need other EU countries to grow a back bone so we can finally pull down the EU all they do is steal money and it goes nowhere but their own pockets

https://thesingingwhovian.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/tumblr_mzd3oaf2gw1r4ka7mo1_500.gif?w=518&h=294

[Matthew.]

Did she aye?

:clap1:

[Rob!]

Did she aye?

I think you’ll find, pal, that’s legal tender?

[Greg!]

Unless there's a remain option it's pretty much guaranteed to not get through parliament. The cynic in me thinks this is what Corbyn wants to happen

[Cherie]

Corbyn does not want to remain, he is anti Europe

[joeysteele]

I feel it's not a wise move.
However more defections were likely without this.
It was a decision put in place at Party conference.
Also the vast majority of the massive membership want this too.

So probably inevitable the pressure on Corbyn to concede to supporting this.
I doubt his heart is in it.
Then again leaders of Parties don't always or even often sometimes, get their own way.

[Tom4784]

Why are people so desperate for the opinion of the people ri be taken away?

If it happens once it will keep happening

If leaving is still the will of the people then leave will win again, the only reason you have to fear the referendum is if the will of the people has changed.

The only people that will seek to block this referendum are people who believe they might lose and don't want democracy to win out.

Let people either reaffirm that they want to leave or if, after all that's happened, they want to stay. Democracy is democracy.

[Denver]

I don't see why any Western nation would be happy about that vile prospect...

Because of the money

[Oliver_W]

Because of the money

It's not worth the consequences of Turkey joining though.