X-Men: Dark Phoenix

[Tom4784]

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I like how you can see in Jennifer Lawrence's eyes how much she wants Sansa Stark to Thanos snap her out of this franchise.

[Tony Montana]

Trailer looks good, far better than the first

That being said though, they revealed far too much

[Tony Montana]

Hopefully this Dark Phoenix storyline is better than the Last Stands version

[Toy Soldier]

It looks OK I just dunno how to take it seriously as canon with the inevitable upcoming Xmen reboot within the MCU.

[Smithy]

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[Jessica.]

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I-

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:joker::joker::joker:

[Tom4784]

She hates the makeup, it's why she spent most of the last two films without it. I didn't notice how terrible it looked this time around though, it looks like they just sprayed it on and dotted her face a bit. Low budget sci fi TV show from the 90's realness.

[Wizard.]

Low budget sci fi TV show from the 90's realness.


:joker::joker: Looks like they sponged her in watercolour.

[LukeB]

I wish they did this when Famke Janssen was Jean Grey! I like Sophie Turner but i prefer Famke as Jean Grey

[Toy Soldier]

I wish they did this when Famke Janssen was Jean Grey! I like Sophie Turner but i prefer Famke as Jean Grey

I mean they sort of already did... it seems to basically have exactly the same plot as Last Stand, just fleshed out a bit more to be entirely based on the Dark Phoenix plot...

[Tony Montana]

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[Marsh.]

I wouldn't be surprised if her skin/hair is literally all post production for this film and she just refused the makeup.

[armand.kay]

Electric chair @ them having Mystique in a shake & go wig with some face paint on.

[Toy Soldier]

Ehhhh she's a shapeshifter they could just have let her be in regular human form the entire time, and no one would have cared.

[Tom4784]

I wish they did this when Famke Janssen was Jean Grey! I like Sophie Turner but i prefer Famke as Jean Grey

It seems like this film is just a do-over of X3, even her Dark Phoenix costume looks like they've just rooted through their closets for Jean's red trenchcoat.

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[Marsh.]

Am I the only one who doesn't find Sophie Turner's version of the character interesting enough for her own movie?

[Wizard.]

Am I the only one who doesn't find Sophie Turner's version of the character interesting enough for her own movie?

Same, I'm actually more intrigued in Jessica Chastain.

[LukeB]

I mean they sort of already did... it seems to basically have exactly the same plot as Last Stand, just fleshed out a bit more to be entirely based on the Dark Phoenix plot...

It seems like this film is just a do-over of X3, even her Dark Phoenix costume looks like they've just rooted through their closets for Jean's red trenchcoat.

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i remember reading that Simon Kinberg regretted the dark phoenix wasn't the primary story for X-Men 3 but it wasn't his choice. They should have done this in the first place and gave Famke Janssen her own movie like they did with Wolverine.

[Tony Montana]

Rotten Tomatoes score is

22%

Yikes! :o:o

[Tom4784]

I was planning on seeing this on Monday but I think we'll hold off. It's annoying that Fox has ****ed up this storyline again and pretty much insured that Marvel will have to wait years to attempt it properly.

[Tony Montana]

I was planning on seeing this on Monday but I think we'll hold off. It's annoying that Fox has ****ed up this storyline again and pretty much insured that Marvel will have to wait years to attempt it properly.

I reckon Singer would've done justice to the Dark Phoenix storyline had he directed The Last Stand.

[LukeB]

I got a free cinema ticket from the chocolate packs so i'm going to use it on X-Men

[Barry.]

People are saying the critics are wrong.

[Tony Montana]

I got a free cinema ticket from the chocolate packs so i'm going to use it on X-Men

Ugh lucky you, I'm so jealous. :fist:

[Tony Montana]

People are saying the critics are wrong.

I rarely listen to the critics. Most of the time they're wrong. As long as I enjoy a film, that's all that matters.

They did the same with Godzilla. ****ing pricks! :fist:

[LukeB]

Ugh lucky you, I'm so jealous. :fist:

Just get 5 packs of Milky Way Magic Stars and enter the codes on sweet sundays

[Tony Montana]

Just get 5 packs of Milky Way Magic Stars and enter the codes on sweet sundays

Will do. :thumbs:

[Barry.]

I rarely listen to the critics. Most of the time they're wrong. As long as I enjoy a film, that's all that matters.

They did the same with Godzilla. ****ing pricks! :fist:

Was Godzilla good?

[Tony Montana]

Was Godzilla good?

I'm watching it this weekend, but it received mixed reviews and critics were ripping it to pieces.

It's got a 39% rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

[Tom4784]

I tend to pay attention to critics if they are ones I trust to have similar tastes to my own and most of those I listen to have said that it's bad while the more positive ones have said it's mediocre but watchable.

[Barry.]

I'm watching it this weekend, but it received mixed reviews and critics were ripping it to pieces.

It's got a 39% rating on Rotten Tomatoes.

Ugh sucks. It does look good though.

[Tony Montana]

Ugh sucks. It does look good though.

It really does.

[LukeB]

Suicide Squad had negative reviews but i actually enjoyed it :laugh:

[Tony Montana]

Suicide Squad had negative reviews but i actually enjoyed it :laugh:

I watched that at the cinema and enjoyed it too.

[Barry.]

Suicide Squad had negative reviews but i actually enjoyed it :laugh:

I watched that at the cinema and enjoyed it too.

There's no accounting for taste.

[LukeB]

I read the reviews after the movie, i still see "so and so gets mixed reviews" but that doesn't really stop me from going to see it.

[Tom4784]

Suicide Squad had negative reviews but i actually enjoyed it :laugh:

I liked it at the time but on reflection it had serious issues. It's very watchable but it's not great.

[Tony Montana]

I read the reviews after the movie, i still see "so and so gets mixed reviews" but that doesn't really stop me from going to see it.

I read the overwhelmingly negative reviews before watching and I still watched it.

[LukeB]

I liked it at the time but on reflection it had serious issues. It's very watchable but it's not great.

Yeah it's not great and probably wouldn't be in my top 20 films, it was messy looking back but i still enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to the second one though (probably won't enjoy seeing loads of girls dressing up as Harley Quinn for halloween again after that movie comes out )

[Tony Montana]

I was disappointed with Leto's Joker tho. Although he did have massive shoes to fill.

[LukeB]

I don't know why i'm surprised with this getting bad reviews, if you remember Tony i predicted it would do well with the critics and box office.

Why can't they get the dark phoenix right? it's embarrassing ****ing up up twice now.

[Tony Montana]

I don't know why i'm surprised with this getting bad reviews, if you remember Tony i predicted it would do well with the critics and box office.

Why can't they get the dark phoenix right? it's embarrassing ****ing up up twice now.

I know, it's laughable and a ****ing travesty. The Dark Phoenix storyline is one of the greatest and most iconic comic book storylines. How can you **** it up twice?

I can't wait for the MCU to do it justice.

[Barry.]

I know, it's laughable and a ****ing travesty. The Dark Phoenix storyline is one of the greatest and most iconic comic book storylines. How can you **** it up twice?

I can't wait for the MCU to do it justice.

I don't see Marvel doing the Phoenix storyline at all.

[Wizard.]

This was okay but we could have done without it. The pacing was quite off and some of the character development left a lot to be desired. Chastain’s alien thing just seemed a bit... meh? Jean Grey practically cries throughout. It definitely felt different in style but Days Of Future Past reigns supreme.

[JerseyWins]

Is this good?

I might be going to the theaters back to back weekends between this and Toy Story 4

[Tom4784]

I actually went to see this yesterday but I felt really ill so I left shortly after it started.

[Toy Soldier]

I just can't see it being relevant given the inevitable upcoming reboot :shrug:. Feels like fan fiction or something.

[Oliver_W]

It's quuuiiiite good, a few shades over "just okay". It's a better movie than Captain Marvel, and didn't have the spergs going on about how it's female fronted, it simply is.

[Toy Soldier]

It's quuuiiiite good, a few shades over "just okay". It's a better movie than Captain Marvel, and didn't have the spergs going on about how it's female fronted, it simply is.

I rewatched Capt. Marvel a few days ago and I still don't really understand the shade it gets. It's fun and still easily in the top 50% of MCU films :shrug:.

My main gripe now though is that I'm also rewatching Agents of Shield and in S1 (when Hydra has revealed itself), Coulson states quite clearly that "Fury recruited him himself when he was just a kid, fresh out of high school".

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And in Capt. Marvel, Fury refers to Coulson multiple times as being new to Shield...

Assuming Coulson is roughly the same age as the actor who plays him, he's currently 57. CM is set 24 years ago, making Coulson in his early 30's in that movie. Which you could argue is about how old the digitally de-aged character looks;

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So it all fits except that AoS line about him meeting Fury fresh out of school :suspect:. Why was he finishing high school aged 33?


Though to be fair... it didn't really make sense that someone would be snapped up by something like SHIELD at 18, and actually makes much more sense that he'd have been a new recruit in his 30's, coming from another agency like the FBI or summat.

So that's an AoS plot hole rather than a Capt. Marvel one.


Note: None of this has anything to do with Dark Phoenix. #Derail # 5yearAwardsPostWhereWeWant

[Tom4784]

I thought Captain Marvel was fine, one of the weaker MCU offerings mainly because it felt like a wannabe feminist film that was written by a man who didn't understand what feminism is.

Carole has no flaws and the only 'flaws' they give her in the script are said by characters telling her she's too emotional when she seems to be under control at all times.

I always compare Captain Marvel to Wonder Woman because that film had a way better understanding of feminism in a way that neither belittled the movement or the audience of the film. Diana is flawed but strong and she has to deal with sexism and attitudes that undermine her and she does so by simply excelling and proving the men who doubted her wrong, teaching them a lesson and extending a hand of friendship at the same time. Captain Marvel presents feminism as an 'us and them' situation but Wonder Woman's approach works better because it's emphatic and it makes a point of saying that neither gender can excel at the cost of the other as neither Wonder Woman or Steve can save the day alone.

Wonder Woman's just an excellent film tbh.

[Toy Soldier]

I still disagree on WW's feminism :joker:. In my opinion there are several mis-steps.

1) Hyper-sexualised appearance

2) Costume and hair are impractical for the purpose of aesthetics. Obviously not unusual for the genre but again, the reasons are obvious (eye candy).

3) She lives naive and isolated on an island of women until a world-wise street-smart man comes along and introduces her to "the real world". This is the biggest and most glaring problem and IMO is enough to completely negate any feminist message that the movie might otherwise have.

[Marsh.]

This is what happens when you attempt to let an average actress like Sophie Turner lead a movie.

Trying to capitalise on her GoT fame and it's backfired.

She's supporting at best.

[Tom4784]

I still disagree on WW's feminism :joker:. In my opinion there are several mis-steps.

1) Hyper-sexualised appearance

2) Costume and hair are impractical for the purpose of aesthetics. Obviously not unusual for the genre but again, the reasons are obvious (eye candy).

3) She lives naive and isolated on an island of women until a world-wise street-smart man comes along and introduces her to "the real world". This is the biggest and most glaring problem and IMO is enough to completely negate any feminist message that the movie might otherwise have.

I remember watching a youtuber a while back and she was speaking about the differences between WW in the Zack Snyder films and in her solo film and she bought up her hair as a tangent and how she looked in WW as a positive because she took it as a sign that women had a lot of creative control in that film compared to the other films because they made her look great in every scene while she had flat hair in Justice League and such. She basically said something like 'women don't let other women look bad while males wouldn't often recognise the details' such as plumping up the hair to make it look better. It's a light point but it did make me think that the way WW looks in her solo film is as much for women as it is for men.

I don't think your third point is enough to negate the feminism in the film because, like I said before, the whole point of feminism in Wonder Woman is that they push equality and mutual respect. A man showing her a world she's never known doesn't make the film any less feminist especially considering that in the sequel the roles are reversed which suggests that gender didn't even play a role in that decision. Wonder Woman at it's heart is about co-operation, not competition. To me, that's what feminism is, recognising the struggles that women go through and working together to try to improve things and solve problems neither gender could do alone.

[LukeB]

This is what happens when you attempt to let an average actress like Sophie Turner lead a movie.

Trying to capitalise on her GoT fame and it's backfired.

She's supporting at best.

We stan Famke Janssen

[Marsh.]

Yeah, I agree that a male character teaching a female character something is not sexist or "anti-feminist" in itself, only if used as a trope of male characters being superior and more intelligent than female.

I've not watched the new Wonder Woman (well kind of but was with a group and half of it was spent chatting) so can't really recall its brand of feminism.

[Marsh.]

We stan Famke Janssen

Tea.

[Oliver_W]

I still disagree on WW's feminism :joker:. In my opinion there are several mis-steps.

1) Hyper-sexualised appearance

2) Costume and hair are impractical for the purpose of aesthetics. Obviously not unusual for the genre but again, the reasons are obvious (eye candy).

3) She lives naive and isolated on an island of women until a world-wise street-smart man comes along and introduces her to "the real world". This is the biggest and most glaring problem and IMO is enough to completely negate any feminist message that the movie might otherwise have.

1) Eh, films are visual medium. People like to look at pretty people.

2) As above

3) Should she have googled "the rest of the world" and then went to see it?

[Oliver_W]

I rewatched Capt. Marvel a few days ago and I still don't really understand the shade it gets. It's fun and still easily in the top 50% of MCU films :shrug:.


Pretty much what Dezzy said. Plus, Brie Lawson is uncharasmatic as as a block of wood. If the film was just another MCU film it'd be fine, but Disney/Marvel were trying to push her as the most amazing hero ever, and that she'd be the new face of the MCU. She just doesn't have it tbh. Out of the remaining heroes, Spidey has the most potential for that.

[Tony Montana]

Pretty much what Dezzy said. Plus, Brie Lawson is uncharasmatic as as a block of wood. If the film was just another MCU film it'd be fine, but Disney/Marvel were trying to push her as the most amazing hero ever, and that she'd be the new face of the MCU. She just doesn't have it tbh. Out of the remaining heroes, Spidey has the most potential for that.

Tea.

Captain Marvel was nothing special. I don't think I could stomach a rewatch.

[Tony Montana]

Watching Dark Phoenix on Saturday so I'll give my verdict on it.

[Toy Soldier]

Pretty much what Dezzy said. Plus, Brie Lawson is uncharasmatic as as a block of wood. If the film was just another MCU film it'd be fine, but Disney/Marvel were trying to push her as the most amazing hero ever, and that she'd be the new face of the MCU. She just doesn't have it tbh. Out of the remaining heroes, Spidey has the most potential for that.

The thing is, for the most part, this is a "stock internet opinion" practically copy-pasted from Reddit and the huge irony is that it's an opinion mainly thrown around by males. I very rarely see any actual females stating that Brie Larson's Captain marvel was an awful character, and interestingly, I'm not sure I've seen any declaring that WW is an amazing example of feminism portrayed correctly. I'm sorry guys but the idea that "we can tell it was made by women for women because her hair sure is always real nice" is one of the most bizarre supposedly "feminist" statements I've ever heard? Like it's bordering on offensive stereotype :joker:.

But yeah there's something just laughable about Men On The Internet getting together to declare what is and isn't good feminism, surely. I'm more inclined to trust the actual females who are both feminist and movie fans (and yes I genuinely know a couple) and the general and more realistic consensus there is that Capt Marvel is a more realistic human being (if, I agree, not the most charismatic actress) whilst WW is a two-dimensional fantasy version of "a strong woman".

Another thing worth pointing out is that it would be a ridiculous stretch to claim that Gal Gadot oozes charisma or isn't "wooden" in the WW role... she just gets more of a pass because she's easy on the eye, and humble and demure in interview settings like a good girl. And isn't that something in itself :idc:.

[Ammi]

...I haven’t see Captain Marvel yet but I will say that Wonder Woman for me hugely represents feminism...and Gal Gadot is magnificent in portraying the character....


..Wonder Woman..9/10..:lovedup:..I loved it, I loved everything about it...Gal Gadot is beautiful..:love:..she remained every essence of femininity, even while kicking all those asses around, there was no feminazi there..the perfect ‘empowerment’ of someone who happened to be female...an amazing feminism movie, not so much saving mankind but saving people kind....

[Oliver_W]

The thing is, for the most part, this is a "stock internet opinion" practically copy-pasted from Reddit

So lots of people think the same?

I'd never say consensus=correct, but still.

[Marsh.]

1) Eh, films are visual medium. People like to look at pretty people.

Well, first of all it being a visual medium doesn't make it all about sexual attraction.

Second of all, "pretty" is subjective.

[Marsh.]

Capt Marvel is a more realistic human being

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[LukeB]

Seen this yesterday and yikes not a good movie at all. It's not worst movie ever but it's not good, probably just ok.

The fight scenes were meh, the storyline and writing seemed a bit flat and the acting was messy it seemed like they were just ready for it to end.

[LukeB]

This was nowhere near as good as Captain Marvel.

[LukeB]

I think this is slightly better than The Last Stand purely because Dark Phoenix did focus on the phoenix storyline. The Last Stand was a bit messy with the war and the cure storyline which should have been a different movie imo. The Last Standing has the better cast though

I wonder when Disney takes over will they reboot X-Men or carry on where fox left off because of X-Men: Days of Future Past, if you remember Jean Grey was alive in 2023 and looking well but the Phoenix took place before

[Oliver_W]

I think this is slightly better than The Last Stand purely because Dark Phoenix did focus on the phoenix storyline. The Last Stand was a bit messy with the war and the cure storyline which should have been a different movie imo. The Last Standing has the better cast though

I wonder when Disney takes over will they reboot X-Men or carry on where fox left off because of X-Men: Days of Future Past, if you remember Jean Grey was alive in 2023 and looking well but the Phoenix took place before

I think it's more likely they'd reboot it tbh.

[Toy Soldier]

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It's not even about whether or not you like the character on that one. I've met multiple people who Carol Danvers reminds me of. Can you hand-on-heart say you've ever met an actual human being like Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman? Like actually in the real world? :suspect:

[Marsh.]

It's not even about whether or not you like the character on that one. I've met multiple people who Carol Danvers reminds me of. Can you hand-on-heart say you've ever met an actual human being like Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman? Like actually in the real world? :suspect:

Oh I didn't mean she was likeable, I was poking fun at a Marvel hero being "realistic".

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