Who still respects Emily?

[InTheFade]

Thought I would do a poll to get some idea of how Emily will be treated following her ejection from BB. Obviously this was inspired by the thread comparing Emily to Jade Goody.

[Bells]

Any ounce of respect I may have had for her has completely gone now.

[Sophii3x]

People are judging far too soon. We haven't even seen the footage yet!
If she did say it, she was incredibly stupid. I still like her though

[DiscoGnome]

I had no respect for her anyway. What she said, however, was idiotic, not malicious.

[Bells]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
People are judging far too soon. We haven't even seen the footage yet!
If she did say it, she was incredibly stupid. I still like her though

That's what I kept saying, until I read further information.
At the end of the day BB took necessary action. I had gone off her anyway, so there's no question about me liking her now.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
People are judging far too soon. We haven't even seen the footage yet!
If she did say it, she was incredibly stupid. I still like her though

We have seen the transcript though.

[InTheFade]

No, we haven't seen the footage but we know pretty much exactly what happened, literally word-for-word. Unless it's all a hoax lol.

[Sophii3x]

Yes you've seen the transcript, but you haven't seen it coming out of her own mouth.

And when I hear it I'm not going to hate her instantly.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Ash
Originally posted by Sophii3x
People are judging far too soon. We haven't even seen the footage yet!
If she did say it, she was incredibly stupid. I still like her though

That's what I kept saying, until I read further information.
At the end of the day BB took necessary action. I had gone off her anyway, so there's no question about me liking her now. I agree with Ash. All sources say she said the n word. I think we can take it as read that is what happened. She had to go.

I had little respect for her when she claimed on launch night to be so intelligent. Then she tricked Ziggy and I started to like her. Now, I've no respect for her and the series is well shot of her.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
Yes you've seen the transcript, but you haven't seen it coming out of her own mouth.

And don't get me wrong when I hear it I'm not going to hate her instantly. Why does it make a difference. All sources now say she said the n word. There is no way that she can spin this.

[GlitterEyes]

I think for her to "lose respect" she needs to have it in the first place and for me Emily hasn't done anything which warrents any respect therefore she hasn't lost it as such.

[Dan_]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
Yes you've seen the transcript, but you haven't seen it coming out of her own mouth.

The transcripts enough for me, there's no need for channel 4 to put something that has not happened.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
Yes you've seen the transcript, but you haven't seen it coming out of her own mouth.

And when I hear it I'm not going to hate her instantly. Here you go Soph. She used the n word. There is no need to hear her say it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/6729673.stm

[Mrluvaluva]

I can't believe anyone could still respect her after this.

[ShadowEye]

There was clearly no malice in what she said, it was stupidity, not racism. So yes, I still respect her, albeit a little less than before this occured.

[Sophii3x]

Originally posted by ~~
I can't believe anyone could still respect her after this.

Not everyone has the same mind and views that you, you know

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
Originally posted by ~~
I can't believe anyone could still respect her after this.

Not everyone has the same mind and views that you, you know

Yeah, and that is my view so do one!

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
Originally posted by ~~
I can't believe anyone could still respect her after this.

Not everyone has the same mind and views that you, you know It's not about that. How can you defend her when the evidence is right in front of you.

[Sophii3x]

Originally posted by ~~
Originally posted by Sophii3x
Originally posted by ~~
I can't believe anyone could still respect her after this.

Not everyone has the same mind and views that you, you know

Yeah, and that is my view so do one!
Do what?
Respect other peoples opinions, I repect all of yours

[ShadowEye]

It's not about that. How can you defend her when the evidence is right in front of you.
Because the evidence doesn't point to racism?

[DiscoGnome]

Originally posted by ShadowEye

It's not about that. How can you defend her when the evidence is right in front of you.
Because the evidence doesn't point to racism?

Hear hear! :hello:

[Slartibartfast]

I've lost respect for her because of her stupidity, not cos she's some nasty racist. She's just an idiot instead!

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Sophii3x

Yeah, and that is my view so do one!
Do what?
Respect other peoples opinions, I repect all of yours [/quote]


Maybe I didn't phrase that right, but that is my view. And I accept other peoples views too. So don't have a go at me because that is what your post felt like.

[InTheFade]

No, it doesn't necessarily point to racism (although the term used by Emily is undeniably racist). However, it does point to ignorance, idiocy, stupidity or any other word along those lines. Emily fans, are you not disappointed that Emily failed to prove that she's some student genius?

[GlitterEyes]

I think Emily will regret what she said and I don't believe from that one comment we can label her an outright racist. I think she said a silly thing and of course it was a mistake but up until that point no signs pointed to her being an actual racist. We cannot say if she is or isn't for certain only Emily herself will know. I think Emily herself will look back and feel very stupid for what she said having watched the whole Shilpa thing. But the point I think Emily should of been pulled up on was when she lost her cool and was about to throw a glass/cup at Ziggy....she never actually did it but there was for that split second intent and aggression.

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by Slartibartfast
I've lost respect for her because of her stupidity, not cos she's some nasty racist. She's just an idiot instead!

That makes sense to me (not sarcasm, by the way).

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by DiscoGnome
Originally posted by ShadowEye

It's not about that. How can you defend her when the evidence is right in front of you.
Because the evidence doesn't point to racism?

Hear hear! :hello: What? I dont understand your point. She used a racist term. Why does she have to cause serious offence before you feel it matters?

[Amy]

I just mainly feel that what she said she never really thought before she said it.. I don't think she meant to hurt anyone but did just what I said and did not think.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by ShadowEye
There was clearly no malice in what she said, it was stupidity, not racism. So yes, I still respect her, albeit a little less than before this occured. Again. She used a racist term. That is all that matters.

[InTheFade]

To be honest, much as I dislike her, I think it would be harsh to give her a very hard time for being 'racist'. I suspect it wasn't the first racist comment she's ever made BUT we don't know that for sure and it's bad enough being chucked out of BB without having to suffer for it too much afterwards. I think she can redeem herself although if given the opportunity, I wouldn't try to make friends with her lol.

[ShadowEye]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by DiscoGnome
Originally posted by ShadowEye

It's not about that. How can you defend her when the evidence is right in front of you.
Because the evidence doesn't point to racism?

Hear hear! :hello: What? I dont understand your point. She used a racist term. Why does she have to cause serious offence before you feel it matters?

Racist terms do not make you racist, using them to cause offence does. She didn't use the word in question to cause offence, ergo, not racist.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by ShadowEye

Racist terms do not make you racist, using them to cause offence does. She didn't use the word in question to cause offence, ergo, not racist. So you admit that it's a racist term? I don't think she is racist but that is not the point in my eyes. If C4 let this go it would set a very bad precedent. Do you see that?

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by ShadowEye
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by DiscoGnome
Originally posted by ShadowEye

It's not about that. How can you defend her when the evidence is right in front of you.
Because the evidence doesn't point to racism?

Hear hear! :hello: What? I dont understand your point. She used a racist term. Why does she have to cause serious offence before you feel it matters?

Racist terms do not make you racist, using them to cause offence does. She didn't use the word in question to cause offence, ergo, not racist.

Well, if that's the case, Charley should be in trouble too. According to the transcript, Charley did use the words 'I'm a ******'. Why is that okay?

[superscott789]

Originally posted by Amy
I just mainly feel that what she said she never really thought before she said it.. I don't think she meant to hurt anyone but did just what I said and did not think. She obviously didn't think - but her AND CHARLEY know it was a mistake and I don't think any bad feelings came of it - because of this I haven't lost respect. But I never really 'had' respect for any of the contestants as I don't actually know them...

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by ShadowEye

Racist terms do not make you racist, using them to cause offence does. She didn't use the word in question to cause offence, ergo, not racist. Another thing. The next time you see a black person in the street say - hello ******. See how they respond. You're argument that racist terms are only offensive when used to cause offence has no merit what so ever.

[rice_square_return]

i dident respect her in the first place she seemed so stuck up her arse and she dosent think before she speaks you know.

[ShadowEye]

Originally posted by Jaz0
Originally posted by ShadowEye
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by DiscoGnome
Originally posted by ShadowEye

It's not about that. How can you defend her when the evidence is right in front of you.
Because the evidence doesn't point to racism?

Hear hear! :hello: What? I dont understand your point. She used a racist term. Why does she have to cause serious offence before you feel it matters?

Racist terms do not make you racist, using them to cause offence does. She didn't use the word in question to cause offence, ergo, not racist.

Well, if that's the case, Charley should be in trouble too. According to the transcript, Charley did use the words 'I'm a ******'. Why is that okay?

In short, its not, in my opinion. But C4 know that they will get 0 complaints about a black woman (afro-caribbean if we're being PC) using the word.

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by ShadowEye

Racist terms do not make you racist, using them to cause offence does. She didn't use the word in question to cause offence, ergo, not racist. So you admit that it's a racist term? I don't think she is racist but that is not the point in my eyes. If C4 let this go it would set a very bad precedent. Do you see that?

In that case, I agree, but the implication of this thread, to me, was that Emily is racist, and to me that is incorrect. But yes, the word is racist, and she shouldn't have used it.

[ShadowEye]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by ShadowEye

Racist terms do not make you racist, using them to cause offence does. She didn't use the word in question to cause offence, ergo, not racist. Another thing. The next time you see a black person in the street say - hello ni**er. See how they respond. You're argument that racist terms are only offensive when used to cause offence has no merit what so ever.
That's not what I'm saying, what I'm saying is, if a racist term is used to cause offence, then the person who said it is racist, if it is not, they are not. The word is racist by definition, regardless of context, but that doesn't make the person who said it racist.

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by ShadowEye
Originally posted by Jaz0
Originally posted by ShadowEye
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by DiscoGnome
Originally posted by ShadowEye
[quote]
It's not about that. How can you defend her when the evidence is right in front of you.
Because the evidence doesn't point to racism?

Hear hear! :hello: What? I dont understand your point. She used a racist term. Why does she have to cause serious offence before you feel it matters?

Racist terms do not make you racist, using them to cause offence does. She didn't use the word in question to cause offence, ergo, not racist.

Well, if that's the case, Charley should be in trouble too. According to the transcript, Charley did use the words 'I'm a ******'. Why is that okay?

In short, its not, in my opinion. But C4 know that they will get 0 complaints about a black woman (afro-caribbean if we're being PC) using the word.

In my opinion, that's an insult to Charley (on C4's part, not yours).

[InTheFade]

Oops I accidentally edited your post, sorry, for anyone reading, my comment was 'In my opinion, that's an insult to Charley (on C4's part, not yours).'

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by ShadowEye
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by ShadowEye

Racist terms do not make you racist, using them to cause offence does. She didn't use the word in question to cause offence, ergo, not racist. Another thing. The next time you see a black person in the street say - hello ni**er. See how they respond. You're argument that racist terms are only offensive when used to cause offence has no merit what so ever.
That's not what I'm saying, what I'm saying is, if a racist term is used to cause offence, then the person who said it is racist, if it is not, they are not. The word is racist by definition, regardless of context, but that doesn't make the person who said it racist. And I've stated that I don't think Emily is racist. Are you saying that she should have stayed in the house?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Jaz0
Oops I accidentally edited your post, sorry, for anyone reading, my comment was 'In my opinion, that's an insult to Charley (on C4's part, not yours).' I agree. Basically the word is a total no no. It's highly presumptuous to say that C4 wouldn't have received complaints if Charley had used the n word. How can you possibly know that? I, for one, would have been offend.

[Mrluvaluva]

I would never dream of calling someone a n****r in a joking way because I think the actual word is offensive in itself. It now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by ~~
I would never dream of calling someone a n****r in a joking way because I think the actual word is offensive in itself. It now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Agree.:thumbs:

Who cares what context that word is used. We should encourage people to not used that word.

[Ella]

I didn't really have any respect for her anyway, But after that comment and respect that I may have had has totally gone. She knew what the consequences would be after CBB. So she deserves all she gets.

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by Ella
I didn't really have any respect for her anyway, But after that comment and respect that I may have had has totally gone. She knew what the consequences would be after CBB. So she deserves all she gets.

Exactly, whether she had intended to be racist or not, she should have thought before she opened her mouth.

[~Kizwiz~]

What a stupid little girl. It is, in my opinion, after all that went on in CBB, the worst thing that someone could say in the house.

She didnt mean it in a racist way, I can see that, but it still can be concidered a rasict term by many.

The fact that both Charley and Nikky were shocked that Emily said the ofending word speaks volumes to me and therefore I agree that she should have gone.

So in answer to this thread, how can I loose respect for a person who never had mine in the first place??? She didnt do anything to earn an ounce of it from me.

[MaDdOctoR]

Like I've just posted in a new thread, She wasn't the only person to use the word.....so why is she gone and the other person still there?

it shouldn't matter what colour you are, if the word is offensive then you should be treated the same way....

dOc

[GiRTh]

Try asking Channel4

[Bells]

I'm sure BB had their reasons - we're kept fairly in the dark at the moment.

[the_chosen_one]

Yes, I respect her. She's got more heart than anyone left in that house.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Yes, I respect her. She's got more heart than anyone left in that house. In what way?

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Yes, I respect her. She's got more heart than anyone left in that house. In what way?

You ask that like it's not totally obvious. I don't know where to start.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Yes, I respect her. She's got more heart than anyone left in that house. In what way?

You ask that like it's not totally obvious. I don't know where to start. I'm waiting.

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Yes, I respect her. She's got more heart than anyone left in that house. In what way?

You ask that like it's not totally obvious. I don't know where to start. I'm waiting.

....and you'll carry on waiting.

[Shaun]

Think it's been slightly blown out of proportion, but she should not have said that, it was really stupid. I feel slightly sorry for her - this one word could have ruined her life, which isn't fair. And this is coming from someone who hated her in the house! :puzzled:

[Bells]

I know people are saying she's brought it on herself, which I can understand, but as I probably mentioned before, I feel bad that she's gone in this sort of way. But I guess soon enough people will forget about her, or if not forget as that'd be difficult, I mean focus their attention on something/someone else.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one

....and you'll carry on waiting. You can't think of anything can you? The only decent thing she did in the house was trick Ziggy into revealing that he nominated. She gave herself 10/10 for intelligence but Chanelle cleaned her clock in that argument. And she does not have to intelligence to use a highly offensive word on national TV even after all the fuss of CBB5.

[Billy]

I have lost alot of respect for her. Even if she didnt mean it in a racist way she did say it. I dont think she is racist, shes just incredibly astupid. And also, that 25 quid i spent on shabnam has gone down the drain !!!!

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by the_chosen_one

....and you'll carry on waiting. You can't think of anything can you? The only decent thing she did in the house was trick Ziggy into revealing that he nominated. She gave herself 10/10 for intelligence but Chanelle cleaned her clock in that argument. And she does not have to intelligence to use a highly offensive word on national TV even after all the fuss of CBB5.

She has heart because she exposed Big Brother's double standards when it came to the use of the word 'n*****', in the Big Brother house.

[Starlet]

I do, what she said was stupid but not sinister imho, if I lost respect for everyone on BB who was stupid there would be no one left to like.

[Emilee]

She's so stupid... what is the point in saying that??

I dont have as much respect anymore but i dont think it was intentionally racist. I mean loads of people use the word (not me) it is very wrong. but not the way she said it.

So i still have the smallest amount of resoect for her and i still like her.

[Billy]

I am actually shocked, but I thought she was saying it when they wre dancing and all havina laugh

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Originally posted by GiRTh
Originally posted by the_chosen_one

....and you'll carry on waiting. You can't think of anything can you? The only decent thing she did in the house was trick Ziggy into revealing that he nominated. She gave herself 10/10 for intelligence but Chanelle cleaned her clock in that argument. And she does not have to intelligence to use a highly offensive word on national TV even after all the fuss of CBB5.

She has heart because she exposed Big Brother's double standards when it came to the use of the word 'n*****', in the Big Brother house. How did she do that? How does that mean that Emily has heart? Charley said the word but in a different context. A context that she should be allowed to use it.

[Emilee]

Originally posted by potentialsuperstar
I am actually shocked, but I thought she was saying it when they wre dancing and all havina laugh

Exactly. but there was no need for that word.

I know my friend says it all the time and i cant stand it so i guess it was the riht thing to do ejecting her from the house, even though it was not maliciously said.

[Ruth*Star]

Yeah i am shocked shes gone aswell. i never thought she would go this way.

[Emilee]

Nope. i wanted her to atleast get an interview for being evicted but not ejected. its so wrong. they should have chosen have chosen annother punnishment,

[Chrizzle]

Originally posted by Sophii3x
Yes you've seen the transcript, but you haven't seen it coming out of her own mouth.

And when I hear it I'm not going to hate her instantly.

Omg are you serious?
Wow, Soph didnt expect that from you.

I think Emily is a stupid, pathetic, ignorant, two faced, racist, bitch who needs to grow up.

[andybigbro]

yes

[Lil-Lindz]

no, i dont know how some people still can respect her

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Originally posted by Sophii3x
Yes you've seen the transcript, but you haven't seen it coming out of her own mouth.

And when I hear it I'm not going to hate her instantly.

Omg are you serious?
Wow, Soph didnt expect that from you.

I think Emily is a stupid, pathetic, ignorant, two faced, racist, bitch who needs to grow up.

funny coming from someone who hated her for no reason in the first place.....

dOc

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Originally posted by Sophii3x
Yes you've seen the transcript, but you haven't seen it coming out of her own mouth.

And when I hear it I'm not going to hate her instantly.

Omg are you serious?
Wow, Soph didnt expect that from you.

I think Emily is a stupid, pathetic, ignorant, two faced, racist, bitch who needs to grow up.

Chrizzle, I think Sopii3x is showing a good deal of maturity towards the subject which you might be able to learn something from. Your accusation of emily being 'racist' is unfounded, in my opinion.

[Chrizzle]

Originally posted by MaDdOctoR
Originally posted by Chrizzle
Originally posted by Sophii3x
Yes you've seen the transcript, but you haven't seen it coming out of her own mouth.

And when I hear it I'm not going to hate her instantly.

Omg are you serious?
Wow, Soph didnt expect that from you.

I think Emily is a stupid, pathetic, ignorant, two faced, racist, bitch who needs to grow up.

funny coming from someone who hated her for no reason in the first place.....

dOc

I disliked her because she was a bitch.

I thought Sophie had more sense than to be a Emily follower. I really did.

[Mrluvaluva]

Everone has their own opinion. Chris only said he was surprised by Sophs comment. He is entitled to his views also.

[Sophii3x]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Originally posted by Sophii3x
Yes you've seen the transcript, but you haven't seen it coming out of her own mouth.

And when I hear it I'm not going to hate her instantly.

Omg are you serious?
Wow, Soph didnt expect that from you.

I think Emily is a stupid, pathetic, ignorant, two faced, racist, bitch who needs to grow up.

Wow, funny how your only quoting me, isn't it..
What the hell did I say which you 'didn't expect from me'?

[Lil-Lindz]

everyone is entitled to their own view, i just dont see how some people can still have respect for someone who would say something as degrading as that and also how they can respect her for being a natly lying B****

[Chrizzle]

Yes Soph course Im only quoting you, because I know you well.
Your one of my friends on here, and I didnt expect you to still support Emily. I dont really care what any of the other lot think.

[sunlight]

i watched it and noticed more than anyone eles she seemed to look down on charley from the very start. even ziggy didn't like the way she spoke about charley when they had their dinner in the diary room.

[TonyLeMesmer]

I don't think she is a racist, she didn't use it as a form of abuse. The reason Charley was shocked was only because of the CBB race row, not because she was offended.

Emily also mentioned that Charley had used the word previously, which screams double standards on BB's part to me.

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Originally posted by MaDdOctoR
Originally posted by Chrizzle
Originally posted by Sophii3x
Yes you've seen the transcript, but you haven't seen it coming out of her own mouth.

And when I hear it I'm not going to hate her instantly.

Omg are you serious?
Wow, Soph didnt expect that from you.

I think Emily is a stupid, pathetic, ignorant, two faced, racist, bitch who needs to grow up.

funny coming from someone who hated her for no reason in the first place.....

dOc

I disliked her because she was a bitch.

I thought Sophie had more sense than to be a Emily follower. I really did.
no that was your opinion She was never a "bitch" in that house....if you want to call her a bitch then you need to call that thing in your avatar one as well.....and add the words crybaby and child.

I don't like having childish conversations with people that just can't understand anything than their own view nor reply with something other than "she was a bitch"

dOc

[officialleafan]

I love her, and i think that Big B completely over reacted, even the radio's say so!

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by TonyLeMesmer
I don't think she is a racist, she didn't use it as a form of abuse. The reason Charley was shocked was only because of the CBB race row, not because she was offended.

Emily also mentioned that Charley had used the word previously, which screams double standards on BB's part to me.

exactly my thoughts to

dOc

[Chrizzle]

Madoctor, is that the only way you can defend your precious Emily?
By insulting me and Chanelle.

You cant even stick up for Emily, because theres nothing to say.
Your only option is to insult the others

[Lil-Lindz]

Originally posted by TonyLeMesmer
I don't think she is a racist, she didn't use it as a form of abuse. The reason Charley was shocked was only because of the CBB race row, not because she was offended.

Emily also mentioned that Charley had used the word previously, which screams double standards on BB's part to me.

it does show double standards but if BB didn't do anything they would get accused of failing to act about it

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by Chrizzle
Madoctor, is that the only way you can defend your precious Emily?
By insulting me and Chanelle.

You cant even stick up for Emily, because theres nothing to say.
Your only option is to insult the others

actually you were the first to be insulting to Emily fans in general....

and yes I can stick up for Emily, I do think she made a mistake saying that word...but I don't believe she said it in the way some people are accusing her.

and yes Chanelle is Stupid, A Bitch a Child and also wants to look like Victoria Beckham.....I think that's enough not to like her as a person.....

dOc

[MaDdOctoR]

Originally posted by Lil-Lindz
Originally posted by TonyLeMesmer
I don't think she is a racist, she didn't use it as a form of abuse. The reason Charley was shocked was only because of the CBB race row, not because she was offended.

Emily also mentioned that Charley had used the word previously, which screams double standards on BB's part to me.

it does show double standards but if BB didn't do anything they would get accused of failing to act about it

yes but by getting rid of one person and not the other is a bad choice for them to have made.

dOc

[Tanser_Man]

I don't think she can be judged merely on a word which wasn't used in racial terms. I still respect her because she was a great housemate since she has entered the house, as well as being one of the most beautiful BB housemates to contest in the show.

If anything is double standards, it's the way she is being treated now by the very people who are denouncing racism, bullying and everything else!

Really is pathetic and hypocritical from some members.

[Z]

Originally posted by Slartibartfast
I've lost respect for her because of her stupidity, not cos she's some nasty racist. She's just an idiot instead!


I agree! Stupid thing to say, but I bet the media make her life hell, which she doesn't deserve. She's a drama student, right? She won't be employed, she's going to have to do something else.