Shamima Begum: appealing for legal aid to fight for UK citizenship

[arista]

Shamima Begum is appealing for legal aid to fight for her British citizenship
https://news.sky.com/story/is-bride-shamima-begum-appealing-for-legal-aid-to-fight-for-uk-citizenship-11694577


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First Title : 'We should live in Holland' says ISIS husband

I hope Nicky can handle them in his Nation.
Although I would think over 70% of that great nation
would not want them?


[Yago Riedijk and Ms Begum married
days after she arrived inside IS territory.
Speaking to the BBC, he admitted fighting
for the group but says he now wants
to return home with his wife and their newborn son.
Mr Riedijk, 27, is being held in a
Kurdish detention centre in north-eastern Syria.
He faces a six-year jail term for
joining a terror organisation if he
returns to the Netherlands.]


[Although Mr Riedijk is on a terrorism watch list, his Dutch citizenship has not been revoked.]



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47431249

[Matthew.]

Yago Riedijk said he saw nothing wrong in marrying 15-year-old Shamima Begum.

:umm2:

[Wizard.]

Good luck Nicky

[Oliver_W]

:umm2:

The age of consent is creepily young in some countries, even in Europe, maybe it's ~15 in the Netherlands? That wouldn't make it okay, but it would probably serve as an excuse for him.

[Matthew.]

The age of consent is creepily young in some countries, even in Europe, maybe it's ~15 in the Netherlands? That wouldn't make it okay, but it would probably serve as an excuse for him.

It’s 16 in the Netherlands

[Denver]

It’s 16 in the Netherlands

But 15 in Syria?

[Oliver_W]

But 15 in Syria?

It's probably "when the man wants it" in Syria tbh

[Nicky91]

:worry:

keep them out of my country pls

[arista]

[Shamima Begum appealing for legal aid to fight for UK citizenship
Begum has been stripped of her British
citizenship and an appeal has been
lodged to fight the decision.]

https://news.sky.com/story/is-bride-shamima-begum-appealing-for-legal-aid-to-fight-for-uk-citizenship-11694577

[Nicky91]

don't send her to my country pls, back to syria pls asap

[Crimson Dynamo]

don't send her to my country pls, back to syria pls asap

Come on Nicky, that isnt the EU way

[Nicky91]

Come on Nicky, that isnt the EU way

we need to keep our EU safe, and that is without people like her

[Cherie]

don't send her to my country pls, back to syria pls asap

I dunno Nicky I think you should take her, she is her mans chattel after all :think:

[user104658]

Perched for Nicky and Shamima top-to-tail sleepover?

[Marsh.]

Shamima to move out when Nicky's dad starts shouting at Nicky's mum again?

[montblanc]

Shamima to move out when Nicky's dad starts shouting at Nicky's mum again?

:laugh2:

[RileyH]

Shamima to move out when Nicky's dad starts shouting at Nicky's mum again?

:skull:

[smudgie]

Try as I might, I just can’t find any sympathy for this young woman.
Sad as it is.

[Kazanne]

So, she wants legal aid from a country she hates ,I hope she isn't,granted it she was sowing people into suicide vests etc,sorry it's wrong to take her back or even help her after all as it was pointed out on a debate earlier the Hillboro families were not granted legal aid, so why would you grant it to her.

[Jason.]

Shamima to move out when Nicky's dad starts shouting at Nicky's mum again?

:laugh2:

[user104658]

Shamima to move out when Nicky's dad starts shouting at Nicky's mum again?This has the makings of an off-beat sitcom.

[Marsh.]

Shamima Stay or Shamima Go Now?

[Alf]

Shamima Stay or Shamima Go Now?If she goes there will be trouble and if stays it will be double.

[Mitchell]

Perched for Nicky and Shamima top-to-tail sleepover?

Nicky, Shamima and his Rhino will talk about boys and do each other’s make up

[Garfie]

So, she wants legal aid from a country she hates ,I hope she isn't,granted it she was sowing people into suicide vests etc,sorry it's wrong to take her back or even help her after all as it was pointed out on a debate earlier the Hillboro families were not granted legal aid, so why would you grant it to her.

I absolutely agree with all your points here.

She may have been young but she made her choices, and showed no remorse or regret when interviewed. To give legal aid to someone who went abroad to support terrorists is so ridiculous, and if it happens it makes our country a joke as far as I am concerned.

[thesheriff443]

She radicalises Nicky who then changes his User name to some prophet and he sets out to Recruit new members.

Lt tells him to wash his mouth out with whiskey but then has a breakdown over the whiskey he could of drunk.

[Ammi]

..this makes me think of Twosugars’ thread discussing the value of human life...I guess that Shamima’s life doesn’t have great value for many people for understandable reasons...I don’t know, it’s a difficult one...she was 15yrs old and she had been radicalised when she made the decisions she did...she was a child...and it would be nice to think that she had a ‘second chance’ in her life...sadly though, I’m not sure that will ever be the case for her because she’s so recognisable...even if she were allowed back, how could she ever have a life of any ‘value’ with the depth of negative feeling against her....her life/her family’s life would be impossible surely...

[thesheriff443]

..this makes me think of Twosugars’ thread discussing the value of human life...I guess that Shamima’s life doesn’t have great value for many people for understandable reasons...I don’t know, it’s a difficult one...she was 15yrs old and she had been radicalised when she made the decisions she did...she was a child...and it would be nice to think that she had a ‘second chance’ in her life...sadly though, I’m not sure that will ever be the case for her because she’s so recognisable...even if she were allowed back, how could she ever have a life of any ‘value’ with the depth of negative feeling against her....her life/her family’s life would be impossible surely...

The problem is ammi, she has not shown an ounce of remorse which would be disgusting in it’s self but furthermore went on to support the Manchester bombing.

The devil comes in many forms, she is one of them.

[Nicky91]

She radicalises Nicky who then changes his User name to some prophet and he sets out to Recruit new members.

Lt tells him to wash his mouth out with whiskey but then has a breakdown over the whiskey he could of drunk.

Ew, and btw i would never be able to get radicalised, terrorists are lowest of lowest scum


i do stand up for muslims tho, cause some innocent muslims get discriminated bc of terrorists making them look like evil people in general what they aren't, you have terrorists in every religion, who are a disgrace to those religions

[user104658]

..this makes me think of Twosugars’ thread discussing the value of human life...I guess that Shamima’s life doesn’t have great value for many people for understandable reasons...I don’t know, it’s a difficult one...she was 15yrs old and she had been radicalised when she made the decisions she did...she was a child...and it would be nice to think that she had a ‘second chance’ in her life...sadly though, I’m not sure that will ever be the case for her because she’s so recognisable...even if she were allowed back, how could she ever have a life of any ‘value’ with the depth of negative feeling against her....her life/her family’s life would be impossible surely...

Her only realistic second chance would be if she was successfully "de-radicalised" and became an educator / activist in preventing the radicalisation of kids and teens; she has no chance of simply stepping away from it all and living a quiet life.

[joeysteele]

So, she wants legal aid from a country she hates ,I hope she isn't,granted it she was sowing people into suicide vests etc,sorry it's wrong to take her back or even help her after all as it was pointed out on a debate earlier the Hillboro families were not granted legal aid, so why would you grant it to her.



You said all I wanted to Kazanne.
Well said.

[Ammi]

Her only realistic second chance would be if she was successfully "de-radicalised" and became an educator / activist in preventing the radicalisation of kids and teens; she has no chance of simply stepping away from it all and living a quiet life.

...even with that TS, I don’t think that second chance would be realistic...With the added media coverage she’s had as well over this, I just don’t think it would be safe for her to return...the only possibility would be to be that educator from where she is now...

[Oliver_W]

It doesn't sound like she wants to come back because she's having a realisation of how awful the ideology is and having an "oh my god, what have I done" moment ... it seems more like "it's haaaard hereee, I want a council flat so I can mooch foreverrr"

[Niamh.]

We have one as well with a kid wanting to come home to Ireland, looks like she will probably be allowed too :

However, speaking to reporters in Dublin on Monday, Mr Varadkar said despite concerns over the safety of the wider public Ms Smith has the right to return to Ireland with her child.

"Going to Syria or going to live in what was called Islamic State is not in itself an offence or a crime. So we will need to carry out an investigation.

"I know the authorities there will want to interrogate her to see if she has been involved in any crimes there. But it’s very possible that she wasn’t a combatant, for example.

"We really need to get to the bottom of the facts here, to carry out a security assessment to see if the Syrian authorities want to carry out a prosecution or not.

"But ultimately this is an Irish citizen and we don’t believe that removing an Irish citizen’s citizenship from her or her family, rendering them stateless, would be either the right or compassionate thing to do.

As an Irish citizen, she will have the right to return to Ireland as will her child. But as an Irish citizen, it’s not just as simple as coming here and everything proceeding as if nothing had happened.

"We’ll make sure that if she does return to Ireland, that she isn’t a threat to anybody here either," Mr Varadkar said.

Concerns have grown over the potential return of Isis members to European nations in recent weeks due to the collapse of Isis-controlled regions.

Speaking to the Irish Examiner at the EU-Arab League summit in Egypt last month, Mr Varadkar said it would be "bad practice to revoke somebody's citizenship" as it would render them stateless and leave them to be somebody else's problem".

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/varadkar-irish-woman-detained-in-syria-has-right-to-return-to-ireland-910150.html

[Ammi]

...there are surely going to be many young people, barely children themselves who were radicalised..who now wish to return to their families..it is something that needs to be addressed because separating them from their families and making them stateless doesn’t seem to be an answer that would ‘solve’ anything...and actually feels quite barbaric to me...if the media is to be believed in that she was an active part in IS..?...then surely it should also be believed in that government sections were aware of her successful radicalisation and yet didn’t act or inform her family...it’s a mess tbh...

[Cherie]

We have one as well with a kid wanting to come home to Ireland, looks like she will probably be allowed too :

However, speaking to reporters in Dublin on Monday, Mr Varadkar said despite concerns over the safety of the wider public Ms Smith has the right to return to Ireland with her child.

"Going to Syria or going to live in what was called Islamic State is not in itself an offence or a crime. So we will need to carry out an investigation.

"I know the authorities there will want to interrogate her to see if she has been involved in any crimes there. But it’s very possible that she wasn’t a combatant, for example.

"We really need to get to the bottom of the facts here, to carry out a security assessment to see if the Syrian authorities want to carry out a prosecution or not.

"But ultimately this is an Irish citizen and we don’t believe that removing an Irish citizen’s citizenship from her or her family, rendering them stateless, would be either the right or compassionate thing to do.

As an Irish citizen, she will have the right to return to Ireland as will her child. But as an Irish citizen, it’s not just as simple as coming here and everything proceeding as if nothing had happened.

"We’ll make sure that if she does return to Ireland, that she isn’t a threat to anybody here either," Mr Varadkar said.

Concerns have grown over the potential return of Isis members to European nations in recent weeks due to the collapse of Isis-controlled regions.

Speaking to the Irish Examiner at the EU-Arab League summit in Egypt last month, Mr Varadkar said it would be "bad practice to revoke somebody's citizenship" as it would render them stateless and leave them to be somebody else's problem".

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/varadkar-irish-woman-detained-in-syria-has-right-to-return-to-ireland-910150.html

That has been central to the issue in this case, the majority of returnees have carried on as if nothing has happened and it doesn't sit well with the public

[Ammi]

That has been central to the issue in this case, the majority of returnees have carried on as if nothing has happened and it doesn't sit well with the pubic

...you might want to change that last word, Cherie..:laugh:..

[Niamh.]

That has been central to the issue in this case, the majority of returnees have carried on as if nothing has happened and it doesn't sit well with the pubic

Yeah that's not right. I do agree with Leo that as an Irish citizen it should be us who deal with her and her baby is Irish also however she does need to be dealt with thoroughly and not just put back out on the street either

[Niamh.]

...you might want to change that last word, Cherie..:laugh:..

:laugh2: I didn't even spot that

[Livia]

I don't think it's possible to quantify what a smack in the face this is for British taxpayers - of all races and religions - unless you look into the cases that have been refused Legal Aid. It makes me wonder what the ****ing hell is going on.

She hates Britain, she left Britain to fight with IS and when it all went tits up she decided living in Britain was a better option. We told her no, we don't want you back... and now she's been granted British taxpayer's money to fight her revoked citizenship.

[bots]

this is a good example of where "doing the right thing" within a civilised society becomes difficult. We have a set of standards that are meant for the benefit of all, but sometimes those standards conflict with what the situation deserves.

We cannot discard our rights that we provide to individuals based on 1 case when it is there to benefit the many.

She is/was a UK citizen, she doesn't have any income, she is therefore entitled to legal representation to fight her case, whether we think she is guilty or not. In the general scheme of things, if her citizenship was taken away unjustly then as a civilised nation, she has the right to have it re-instated.

If she does end up coming back here, it doesn't mean she shouldn't be monitored to ensure she doesn't cause further trouble, there is clearly a big red flag against her for her actions, but that may be the limit of what a civilised nation can do in order to protect the freedoms of the many.

[Livia]

this is a good example of where "doing the right thing" within a civilised society becomes difficult. We have a set of standards that are meant for the benefit of all, but sometimes those standards conflict with what the situation deserves.

We cannot discard our rights that we provide to individuals based on 1 case when it is there to benefit the many.

She is/was a UK citizen, she doesn't have any income, she is therefore entitled to legal representation to fight her case, whether we think she is guilty or not. In the general scheme of things, if her citizenship was taken away unjustly then as a civilised nation, she has the right to have it re-instated.

If she does end up coming back here, it doesn't mean she shouldn't be monitored to ensure she doesn't cause further trouble, there is clearly a big red flag against her for her actions, but that may be the limit of what a civilised nation can do in order to protect the freedoms of the many.

So, give her Legal Aid, and then spend the rest of her like paying to have her monitored? Why should we do that?

We are a civilised nation... and if you want proof of that look at any Islamic country... have the legal right to strip someone of their citizenship when it for the greater good. And that's what we have done. Let in one terrorist, might as well let them all in. I'm sure they've all got sob stories as to why they should be allowed back. There are plenty of organisations who are happy to do pro bono legal work for all kinds of questionable characters ... maybe she could rely on one of those? Or perhaps her pareents/family/community could stump up the cash. But no, we're going to let her milk the pockets of the people she hated enough to leave. With all the decent people dying and being persecuted in the world, why are we worrying about this woman, who said, on camera, that the Manchester bombing was "justified?

Like I said, maybe look at some of the cases that get turned down for Legal Aid to see why this award is cynical.

[Twosugars]

Tbh, it seems wrong she's getting state help to fight her case considering her actions and views have been hostile to the British state.
It seems there's something missing in our legal framework and somehow these people are not recognized as traitors as they should imo.
In her case the fact she was only 15 should be taken into consideration. But so should her lack of remorse.

[Northern Monkey]

Maybe she should start a GoFundMe?

[Niamh.]

Maybe she should start a GoFundMe?

:laugh:

[Cherie]

...you might want to change that last word, Cherie..:laugh:..

:omgno:

[Cherie]

If I had any faith that she would be dealt with appropriately she could come back all day long but I don't think this would happen in the UK unfortunately

[Niamh.]

If I had any faith that she would be dealt with appropriately she could come back all day long but I don't think this would happen in the UK unfortunately

mmmm the problem is though the Uk is expecting some other country to deal with her instead, someone is going to have to, it doesn't seem very fair when she's a British Citizen and it was in Britain she was radicalised

[Ammi]

mmmm the problem is though the Uk is expecting some other country to deal with her instead, someone is going to have to, it doesn't seem very fair when she's a British Citizen and it was in Britain she was radicalised

...yep, my feelings also..it’s obviously not an ideal but it has to be dealt with ...and making people stateless doesn’t seem to me to be the answer...this is our responsibility...and surely taking such responsibility was the ‘alleged’ point in fighting the Brexit fight...

[Livia]

Over 40,000 people - mostly men, but some women and children - left their home countries to join IS. IS fighters come from more than 80 countries around the world. We're not the only country to have this problem.

[Niamh.]

Over 40,000 people - mostly men, but some women and children - left their home countries to join IS. IS fighters come from more than 80 countries around the world. We're not the only country to have this problem.

I know, I posted a link to someone from Ireland in the same situation and we'll probably be taking her back...as we should because she's Irish

[Livia]

I know, I posted a link to someone from Ireland in the same situation and we'll probably be taking her back...as we should because she's Irish

Good luck with that, Ireland.

I'm not up on Irish law, but we have a perfectly legal right to refuse her re-entry to the UK. And I really resent all the time and sympathy given to her when there are so many more worthy people going through hell in the world. That's not aimed at you Niamh, just in general.

[Niamh.]

Good luck with that, Ireland.

I'm not up on Irish law, but we have a perfectly legal right to refuse her re-entry to the UK. And I really resent all the time and sympathy given to her when there are so many more worthy people going through hell in the world. That's not aimed at you Niamh, just in general.

I think you're mistaking alot of peoples opinions on taking her back as being sympathetic towards her when it's actually more to do with not passing your responsibilities as a country on to some other country to deal with

[Vicky.]

Maybe she should start a GoFundMe?

:laugh:

Honestly, I think we should take her back and put her in prison, solitary too so she cannot radicalise anyone else.

The problem I see with this argument, is that people shout about how murderers/rapists/any crime committed by people from a different country should equal deportation to that country. So, if we expect other countries to deal with criminals even though the criminals live here..surely we should do the same, rather than dumping our worst on others?

I also don't really get why this particular person has been focused on so much, given apparently we have let hundreds/thousands of Jihadis back (and dont veen keep check on them). I highly suspect its to take peoples minds off the ****show that is Brexit.

[Northern Monkey]

:laugh:

Honestly, I think we should take her back and put her in prison, solitary too so she cannot radicalise anyone else.

The problem I see with this argument, is that people shout about how murderers/rapists/any crime committed by people from a different country should equal deportation to that country. So, if we expect other countries to deal with criminals even though the criminals live here..surely we should do the same, rather than dumping our worst on others?

I also don't really get why this particular person has been focused on so much, given apparently we have let hundreds/thousands of Jihadis back (and dont veen keep check on them). I highly suspect its to take peoples minds off the ****show that is Brexit.
I think the problem is(from what i’ve heard) that we don’t have the laws to deal with her.Unless we can use the treason law?

I agree about all the other jihadi’s we’ve let back and the focus on this one case.
I think it’s something like 400 roaming our streets unmonitored.
However I don’t think letting more in helps the situation.

[Niamh.]

I think the problem is(from what i’ve heard) that we don’t have the laws to deal with her.Unless we can use the treason law?

I agree about all the other jihadi’s we’ve let back and the focus on this one case.
I think it’s something like 400 roaming our streets unmonitored.
However I don’t think letting more in helps the situation.

I mean if ever that law should apply, it should be in this type of situation, I would have thought?

[Northern Monkey]

I mean if ever that law should apply, it should be in this type of situation, I would have thought?

I would too.But when this was being discussed on TV before and treason laws were mentioned,It was always kind of dismissed.
Maybe her lawyers could somehow prove that it’s not a crime against the crown?

[Cherie]

They are bringing in a new law that if you travel to war zones unless you have good reason you could be liable to a 10 year jail term, not sure if that applies retrospectively though

https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/new-laws-impose-10-year-jail-term-on-britons-travelling-to-terror-hotspots

[Vicky.]

They are bringing in a new law that if you travel to war zones unless you have good reason you could be liable to a 10 year jail term, not sure if that applies retrospectively though

https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/new-laws-impose-10-year-jail-term-on-britons-travelling-to-terror-hotspots

I wouldn't think they could make a new law, then apply it to people who have done so before the law was made? Not sure though.

The whole situation is ridiculous, as is the attention this one woman is getting. There has to be something we can do, and yes, surely the treason law would apply here..

[Ammi]

...but then I guess there also has to be landmark cases which will get more attention and Shamina being one such case while the U.K. and other countries decide how this is to be dealt with...

[thesheriff443]

...but then I guess there also has to be landmark cases which will get more attention and Shamina being one such case while the U.K. and other countries decide how this is to be dealt with...

This is not a new thing, other girls and women have returned to the uk and have faced no legal action.

This. Case is only in the headlines because she was in the headlines when she left the uk to join Isis.

[Livia]

I think you're mistaking alot of peoples opinions on taking her back as being sympathetic towards her when it's actually more to do with not passing your responsibilities as a country on to some other country to deal with

I am happy for her to remain in Syria, completely stateless.

[Livia]

I think the problem is(from what i’ve heard) that we don’t have the laws to deal with her.Unless we can use the treason law?

I agree about all the other jihadi’s we’ve let back and the focus on this one case.
I think it’s something like 400 roaming our streets unmonitored.
However I don’t think letting more in helps the situation.

No one's been tried for treason since Lord Haw Haw after WW2. Acts of treason include "Helping Britain’s enemies" and I suppose could be considered, it carries a maximum term of life imprisonment (treason hasn't been punishable by death since the Crime and Disorder Act 1998). However, it's the British Nationality Act that's been used for Begum which allows stripping a person of their citizenship of the UK if it is for the greater good of the British public.

[Livia]

They are bringing in a new law that if you travel to war zones unless you have good reason you could be liable to a 10 year jail term, not sure if that applies retrospectively though

https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/new-laws-impose-10-year-jail-term-on-britons-travelling-to-terror-hotspots

This will law will only apply in Scotland Cherie.

[Niamh.]

I am happy for her to remain in Syria, completely stateless.

So Syria should deal with your citizens?

[BBDodge]

So Syria should deal with your citizens?

They have been dealing with them the last few years, mostly by gassing them and getting their Russian buddies to fire missiles at them.

We only have to deal with the ones they missed.

[Livia]

So Syria should deal with your citizens?

We didn't choose Syria, she did.

[Livia]

They have been dealing with them the last few years, mostly by gassing them and getting their Russian buddies to fire missiles at them.

We only have to deal with the ones they missed.

She still chose to go... and so did 40,000 other Westerners. I had no sympathy when they went, I have none now.

[Niamh.]

We didn't choose Syria, she did.

But why should Syria keep her?

[Niamh.]

She still chose to go... and so did 40,000 other Westerners. I had no sympathy when they went, I have none now.

You keep missing the point, the sympathy isn't for her, it's expecting other countries to deal with your citizens

[bots]

if we are being pedantic, she was not made stateless by britain, she was made stateless by the coalition forces of which we were a part. Her chosen state was the caliphate. That was the one that welcomed her, married her and fed and clothed her.

[Livia]

You keep missing the point, the sympathy isn't for her, it's expecting other countries to deal with your citizens

I'm not missing the point, Niamh. I'm telling you we are within our rights under international law, to refuse her re-entry. Let the UN try them all as war criminals as the Geneva convention was so very breached by IS... then maybe they can stick them all in Guantanamo? I really don't care. And this is not just about Begum, I feel the same about every terrorist who left every Western country to fight for IS.

[Livia]

if we are being pedantic, she was not made stateless by britain, she was made stateless by the coalition forces of which we were a part. Her chosen state was the caliphate. That was the one that welcomed her, married her and fed and clothed her.

I agree with that.

[Niamh.]

The Caliphate isn't even a country though

[Twosugars]

if we are being pedantic, she was not made stateless by britain, she was made stateless by the coalition forces of which we were a part. Her chosen state was the caliphate. That was the one that welcomed her, married her and fed and clothed her.

if we are being even more pedantic, the Caliphate was never recognized as a state so

[Twosugars]

I can see the argument that she was British so should be dealt with by Britain, but
there's also something to be said for a state being able to divest itself of its citizens who go and fight against it. It would be part of the deterrent: the rest of their life spent stateless. We could also add an incentive that if significant change of ways (words and actions) shown in future their citizenship may be reviewed again.

[Niamh.]

I can see the argument that she was British so should be dealt with by Britain, but
there's also something to be said for a state being able to divest itself of its citizens who go and fight against it. It would be part of the deterrent: the rest of their life spent stateless. We could also add an incentive that if significant change of ways (words and actions) shown in future their citizenship may be reviewed again.

That would only work if there's a place where "stateless" people could be without another country having to pick up the slack so to speak

[Twosugars]

That would only work if there's a place where "stateless" people could be without another country having to pick up the slack so to speak

yes, Idk how it works exactly :think: can't they still be given a residence permit somewhere or asylum?
Livia, you're a lawyer, dust off those books :p

[Niamh.]

yes, Idk how it works exactly :think: can't they still be given a residence permit somewhere or asylum?
Livia, you're a lawyer, dust off those books :p

Who in their right mind would want to give asylum to a potential terrorist though? That's crazy

[Twosugars]

Who in their right mind would want to give asylum to a potential terrorist though? That's crazy

Some of the Arab countries?
The Caliphate must have been supported on the quiet by somebody? Where the money and arms were coming from?

[Niamh.]

Some of the Arab countries?
The Caliphate must have been supported on the quiet by somebody? Where the money and arms were coming from?

But surely that's a really bad move, anyone who would want to take them in as asylum seekers are probably the very people you don't want to be sending more potential/actual terrorists?

[bots]

the rules on citizenship are all a bit complicated. For example, we can't deport illegal immigrants unless they have a valid passport.

If you ever go on holiday to somewhere not in europe, the country will expect you to have at least 6 months remaining on it before it expires. This is done to allow them to send you back if you run off and hide.

In this womans case, she doesnt have a passport, she is not in a country where she can get a british one, the british aren't going to help her get one, and she can't travel to any other country to get one ...... So, it's all kind of pointless really as she isn't going anywhere.