First Campaign ever to be launched for Cervical Smears

[Cherie]

Take up for test has reached an all time low :facepalm:

The test is going to be rebranded as apparently smear test is offputting :facepalm:


https://news.sky.com/story/cervical-smear-campaign-launched-as-jade-goody-effect-wears-off-11655442

he first ever government campaign to encourage women to attend their cervical smear tests has been launched as it's revealed the number of women skipping their screenings is at a 20-year high.

Cervical screenings, better known as smear tests, are free on the NHS for all women aged between 25 and 64.

They can detect the early signs of cervical cancer before the "abnormal cells" become cancerous.

But one in four women are not attending their tests, despite one in nine saying they would take a test that could help prevent cancer.

Public Health England has launched a national campaign to try to counter this trend using TV and digital adverts.

:shrug::shrug:

[arista]

Yes
a test Women need to take


"apparently smear test "
Yes some women do not like the word "smear"
so they are thinking of a better name.

[Twosugars]

come to think of it, smear test as a name is unfortunate and unnecessarily disgusting
why highlight that the cells are smeared onto a microscope slide? Who cares :shrug:
why not a cervical test or Pap test as it is called in the US? (Pap after its inventor, Georgios Papanikolaou)
My preference tho would be cervical cytology bc that's what it is about.

[Cherie]

come to think of it, smear test as a name is unfortunate and unnecessarily disgusting
why highlight that the cells are smeared onto a microscope slide? Who cares :shrug:
why not a cervical test or Pap test as it is called in the US? (Pap after its inventor, Georgios Papanikolaou)
My preference tho would be cervical cytology bc that's what it is about.

Maybe its not the best choice of name, but changing the name won't change the actual procedure or fear of it or embarrassment which seems to be the case now, given women spend an average of 15 hours in labour with their legs in the air and a host of different people peering up their vagina, I really don't see what the issue is with having a 5 minute minorly uncomfortable procedure? Pap test is even worse in my view

[smudgie]

This test saves lives.

Such a shame that so many women don’t go for screening.
I can understand how some might think it embarrassing, but it’s not as bad as you might think.
Better than ended up with having to go for a vaginal scan etc, plus any treatment needed if you end up with cancer.

[Vicky.]

I am actually long overdue mine, keep putting it off :/ For some reason it really ****ing hurts me though, others seem to find it uncomfortable but I swear its agony and I bleed for weeks afterwards too. Maybe my nurse is ****..oddly enough, when I have had it done by a (male) doctor, they are much much gentler and I don't get so much pain. Have been avoiding it for ages as when I did try to book with the doctor, I was told it had to be the nurse...I know its important...but it is something easy to talk yourself out of.

[AnnieK]

I had loads of problems with abnormal cells when I was younger and ended up having to have biopsies, cone biopsies etc etc. I then had to have a test every 6 months for 2 years and then yearly. I am now back on three yearly ones and have recently had one. I honestly could do it myself I have been through that many :laugh:

Although they have changed the test now and no longer look for abnormal cells and only look for the presence of the HPV virus as they say that the likelihood of having abnormal cells without HPV is low as its the HPV that mutates and causes the cancer. I think that is a bit of a worrying this as the comes back with HPV Negative or Positive result and it is classed as an STI and so some people will be put off thinking they will be judged by the doctors if it comes back positive and put off the tests for that reason too.

Vicky - it really shouldn't be that painful or cause bleeding though - have you mentioned that to your Doc / Nurse?

[Niamh.]

I am actually long overdue mine, keep putting it off :/ For some reason it really ****ing hurts me though, others seem to find it uncomfortable but I swear its agony and I bleed for weeks afterwards too. Maybe my nurse is ****..oddly enough, when I have had it done by a (male) doctor, they are much much gentler and I don't get so much pain. Have been avoiding it for ages as when I did try to book with the doctor, I was told it had to be the nurse...I know its important...but it is something easy to talk yourself out of.

It totally depends on the the Doctor, I have a female Doctor and the nurse in the surgery is female and both are very quick and gentle. my mom actually changed her Doctor because of how rough she was with smears though but her new also female Doctor is fine

[Vicky.]

Yes, I have specifically said before when they have bollocked me about putting it off for so long, that thats why, and they just say that basically, its harder (physically) for some women, they dont know why :rolleyes:

Oddly enough, when I was pregnant and had numerous large doctors hands right up there shifting stuff around, IIRC they actually stuck their fingers way in my cervix to jostle it around a bit to bring on labour? (theres a proper word for that but its not coming to me :laugh:) and it was nowhere near as bloody painful. But yeah, its 'normal' apparently.

When I have brought it up to the doctor who did it right, he just says its the nurses speciality and to listen to her...ugh

[Niamh.]

Yes, I have specifically said before when they have bollocked me about putting it off for so long, that thats why, and they just say that basically, its harder (physically) for some women, they dont know why :rolleyes:

Oddly enough, when I was pregnant and had numerous large doctors hands right up there shifting stuff around, IIRC they actually stuck their fingers way in my cervix to jostle it around a bit to bring on labour? (theres a proper word for that but its not coming to me :laugh:) and it was nowhere near as bloody painful. But yeah, its 'normal' apparently.

When I have brought it up to the doctor who did it right, he just says its the nurses speciality and to listen to her...ugh

Nah, my mom used to be like you after a smear, changed Doc and now it's fine. The Doctors are just backing eachother up

[AnnieK]

Yes, I have specifically said before when they have bollocked me about putting it off for so long, that thats why, and they just say that basically, its harder (physically) for some women, they dont know why :rolleyes:

Oddly enough, when I was pregnant and had numerous large doctors hands right up there shifting stuff around, IIRC they actually stuck their fingers way in my cervix to jostle it around a bit to bring on labour? (theres a proper word for that but its not coming to me :laugh:) and it was nowhere near as bloody painful. But yeah, its 'normal' apparently.

When I have brought it up to the doctor who did it right, he just says its the nurses speciality and to listen to her...ugh

:laugh: a sweep they call it I think.

Think Niamh is right, maybe a different Doc would be better for you?

[Vicky.]

Nah, my mom used to be like you after a smear, changed Doc and now it's fine. The Doctors are just backing eachother up

Only way I can do this is to change GP surgeries totally, which apparently I cannot do as 'boundaries' :/ As I said, when trying to get the doc to do it I am directed to the nurse, told only she can. And only one of the nurses do smears, so its her or nowt. Will bite the bullet soon...but at the moment, have too many issues to be purposely bringing more pain and issues onto myself tbh

[Vicky.]

Yes, a sweep. I even searched 'when doctors put their hands up your vagina to bring on labour' and it didn't bring it up :D

[Cherie]

I am actually long overdue mine, keep putting it off :/ For some reason it really ****ing hurts me though, others seem to find it uncomfortable but I swear its agony and I bleed for weeks afterwards too. Maybe my nurse is ****..oddly enough, when I have had it done by a (male) doctor, they are much much gentler and I don't get so much pain. Have been avoiding it for ages as when I did try to book with the doctor, I was told it had to be the nurse...I know its important...but it is something easy to talk yourself out of.

The nurse at our GP practice is a bloody butcher, I actually had to ask her to stop it was so painful, I went back and a female doctor did it and it was absolutely fine, I think sometimes nurses do it so often a bit like taking blood they just whack it in with no thought as its like they are on automatic pilot, ask for someone else, I will be next time

[Cherie]

Also and she did this last time I had one as well, she did an internal beforehand as it the thing itself isnt bad enough, she said it was so she would know where my cervix was ....:umm2: the doctor didnt do that at all and managed to find it with no problem :skull:

[Niamh.]

Only way I can do this is to change GP surgeries totally, which apparently I cannot do as 'boundaries' :/ As I said, when trying to get the doc to do it I am directed to the nurse, told only she can. And only one of the nurses do smears, so its her or nowt. Will bite the bullet soon...but at the moment, have too many issues to be purposely bringing more pain and issues onto myself tbh

Oh yeah, we can go to whoever we like over here but we also have to pay for GP visits so........ although honestly from stuff I hear from you, I think I'd rather pay and have more control over something like my GP

[user104658]

Hello, my name is TS and today I'll be mansplaining vagina cancer.

*ahem*

If you and your partner have an HPV test and it's clear, you don't need smear testing unless you change partners (or suspect / find out your current one is cheating). The biopsies that are routinely carried out when abnormal cells (which usually turn out to be nothing) are found actually increase cancer risk themselves.

If you regularly change sexual partners / have multiple sexual partners then obviously regular testing is advisable. Otherwise, the odds of getting cervical cancer without having HPV are minuscule.

You're welcome, and enjoy your genitals.

*beep bop boop*

[Liam-]

Question, why can’t women under 25 have them? I mean, cervical cancer isn’t age restricted so younger women just have to wait until they’re diagnosed? :suspect:

[Vicky.]

Hello, my name is TS and today I'll be mansplaining vagina cancer.

*ahem*

If you and your partner have an HPV test and it's clear, you don't need smear testing unless you change partners (or suspect / find out your current one is cheating). The biopsies that are routinely carried out when abnormal cells (which usually turn out to be nothing) are found actually increase cancer risk themselves.

If you regularly change sexual partners / have multiple sexual partners then obviously regular testing is advisable. Otherwise, the odds of getting cervical cancer without having HPV are minuscule.

You're welcome, and enjoy your genitals.

*beep bop boop*

...if this is true, you have literally seriously helped my life.

I guess it also would depend on 100% knowing Gavs not sleeping around like, which while I trust him, leaving my health depending on him like that seems a bit daft..

[Vicky.]

Question, why can’t women under 25 have them? I mean, cervical cancer isn’t age restricted so younger women just have to wait until they’re diagnosed? :suspect:

I think they can? Fairly sure I got my first one at 18, though..I did have an abortion a few years prior to that so I might have been classed as high risk or something? I thought it was that its not routine for younger people, but not sure.

[user104658]

Question, why can’t women under 25 have them? I mean, cervical cancer isn’t age restricted so younger women just have to wait until they’re diagnosed? :suspect:

*boop bop beep*

https://emojipedia-us.s3.dualstack.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/thumbs/120/emojidex/112/electric-light-bulb_1f4a1.png

The cervix isn't fully developed as the late stages of puberty are still ongoing in the early 20's, thus there are constant cellular changes in the cervix which were previously incorrectly picked up as abnormalities leading to unnecessary (and as above, not risk-free) invasive biopsy procedures. Thus, the age was increased.

For more interesting female reproductive system facts, visit TSgyno.com.

[Cherie]

Hello, my name is TS and today I'll be mansplaining vagina cancer.

*ahem*

If you and your partner have an HPV test and it's clear, you don't need smear testing unless you change partners (or suspect / find out your current one is cheating). The biopsies that are routinely carried out when abnormal cells (which usually turn out to be nothing) are found actually increase cancer risk themselves.

If you regularly change sexual partners / have multiple sexual partners then obviously regular testing is advisable. Otherwise, the odds of getting cervical cancer without having HPV are minuscule.

You're welcome, and enjoy your genitals.

*beep bop boop*

well beep bop boop, I hate to break it to you but other things can grow in your cervix as well, like polyps which are better dealt with and removed rather than left in situ and also

Nearly all cervical cancers are caused by infection with certain types of HPV.

so not quite 100 per cent unless you think the NHS are rolling out this type of screening just for laughs

[user104658]

...if this is true, you have literally seriously helped my life.

I guess it also would depend on 100% knowing Gavs not sleeping around like, which while I trust him, leaving my health depending on him like that seems a bit daft..

Well there is always that. You could just do abstinence though Vicky, Jesus would approve. It's why he invented STI's in the first place. To reduce sin.

[Cherie]

...if this is true, you have literally seriously helped my life.

I guess it also would depend on 100% knowing Gavs not sleeping around like, which while I trust him, leaving my health depending on him like that seems a bit daft..

Are you really going not going to have test because someone on a reality forum told you not to :crazy:

[user104658]

well beep bop boop, I hate to break it to you but other things can grow in your cervix as well, like polyps which are better dealt with and removed rather than left in situ and also

Nearly all cervical cancers are caused by infection with certain types of HPV.

so not quite 100 per cent unless you think the NHS are rolling out this type of screening just for laughs

Yes but the rate is far less than practically any other cancer, and we don't routinely screen every part of the body for cancer, we only keep an eye out for the common ones (i.e. breast cancer, testicular cancer, cervical cancer if you have HPV).

Basically, there's no more need to go for the test if you don't have HPV than there is any other rare cancer (which functionally means, no need). The ratio of false-positives (abnormal cells that are not cancer) vs actual cancer found is high enough that the invasive procedures (which increase cancer risk) actually make it MORE likely that you'll get cancer with screening than without, if you don't have HPV.

[smudgie]

I am actually long overdue mine, keep putting it off :/ For some reason it really ****ing hurts me though, others seem to find it uncomfortable but I swear its agony and I bleed for weeks afterwards too. Maybe my nurse is ****..oddly enough, when I have had it done by a (male) doctor, they are much much gentler and I don't get so much pain. Have been avoiding it for ages as when I did try to book with the doctor, I was told it had to be the nurse...I know its important...but it is something easy to talk yourself out of.

Couple of painkillers, opiate based preferable, about an hour before the smear.
Helps you relax and feel less pain.:hehe:

[user104658]

Are you really going not going to have test because someone on a reality forum told you not to :crazy:

Well that would be stupid but it's not a secret; I'm sure Vicky will look into it (and the research and outcomes are readily available for anyone who wants to check).

The HPV vaccine exists for a reason. It's to prevent cervical cancer; not to prevent warts.

[Vicky.]

Well there is always that. You could just do abstinence though Vicky, Jesus would approve. It's why he invented STI's in the first place. To reduce sin.

Well..after 12 years together, 2 kids, a health condition or two and just general tiredness, tbf we pretty much abstain anyway.:laugh:

[Vicky.]

Are you really going not going to have test because someone on a reality forum told you not to :crazy:

...erm, I may come across daft sometimes but no obviously not. But that was new info I had not heard so would look into it, and ask professionals. Was what I meant :p

[Vicky.]

Couple of painkillers, opiate based preferable, about an hour before the smear.
Helps you relax and feel less pain.:hehe:

I take the equivalent of like 200mg morphine a day presently, would have to literally shoot up or something for opiates to both relax me and take away pain, rather than just lessen it somewhat :hehe:

[Cherie]

Yes but the rate is far less than practically any other cancer, and we don't routinely screen every part of the body for cancer, we only keep an eye out for the common ones (i.e. breast cancer, testicular cancer, cervical cancer if you have HPV).

Basically, there's no more need to go for the test if you don't have HPV than there is any other rare cancer (which functionally means, no need). The ratio of false-positives (abnormal cells that are not cancer) vs actual cancer found is high enough that the invasive procedures (which increase cancer risk) actually make it MORE likely that you'll get cancer with screening than without, if you don't have HPV.

I beg to differ I know someone who went for a routine smear and a cancerous polyp which are normally benign was picked up, I think what you are writing is extremely dangerous, yes we are not routinely screened for many cancers, although bowel cancer is one that is one the way for over 50s, so and hopefully more screening will be rolled out not less :umm2: Its interesting that you know so much more than health professionals who trained for many years in their profession

[smudgie]

I take the equivalent of like 200mg morphine a day presently, would have to literally shoot up or something for opiates to both relax me and take away pain, rather than just lessen it somewhat :hehe:

I take 240mg a day.
All about the timing Vicky.
Work out where your optimum time after the meds is for less pain.
Won’t totally stop it all but I find it helps with all procedures I have.
Try and get afternoon appointments as well, more stuff in your system.:blush:

[Cherie]

Well that would be stupid but it's not a secret; I'm sure Vicky will look into it (and the research and outcomes are readily available for anyone who wants to check).

The HPV vaccine exists for a reason. It's to prevent cervical cancer; not to prevent warts.

It is not 100 per cent effective, just like any other vaccine though.


https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/cervical-cancer/causes/

[Cherie]

I take 240mg a day.
All about the timing Vicky.
Work out where your optimum time after the meds is for less pain.
Won’t totally stop it all but I find it helps with all procedures I have.
Try and get afternoon appointments as well, more stuff in your system.:blush:

I like your style Smudgie :joker:

[Vicky.]

I take 240mg a day.
All about the timing Vicky.
Work out where your optimum time after the meds is for less pain.
Won’t totally stop it all but I find it helps with all procedures I have.
Try and get afternoon appointments as well, more stuff in your system.:blush:

Yeah, I will get round to it. Last time I took a temazapam to make it more bearable :/ Not the answer, but anything to make it easier.

I might actually, have never thought of this before, just book a private appointment for one. I think its like a hundred quid for half an hour, which should be more than long enough. Honestly, with my experience of them I do tend to look for reasons to put it off..which I need to change.

Tbh, apparently I am very high risk for 'female cancers' due to some breast cancer my mother had that is pretty much genetic..something along those lines I remember her telling me when she was diagnosed, that me and my sis are really likely to get the same cancer. SO I really should not put stuff off...possibly more so than others :S

[Cherie]

...erm, I may come across daft sometimes but no obviously not. But that was new info I had not heard so would look into it, and ask professionals. Was what I meant :p

should bloody hope so

[user104658]

[/B]

It is not 100 per cent effective, just like any other vaccine though.


https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/cervical-cancer/causes/

That wasn't my point either; my point was to illustrate that the vaccine itself was developed specifically to reduce the rates of cervical cancer because it is (practically) the only cause. I fully understand your hesitation to believe someone on a BB forum but I've made the (rare I have to admit!) decision that this one is worth citing... so here you go (useful links for Vicky, too).

"Virtually all cervical cancers are caused by HPV" - US National Cancer Institute

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/infectious-agents/hpv-and-cancer

"The main type of cancer linked to HPV infection is cervical cancer. Virtually all cases of cervical cancer are caused by HPV" - Cancer Research UK

https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-cancer/infections-eg-hpv-and-cancer/hpv-and-cancer


"Nearly all cases of cervical cancer can be attributable to HPV infection." - World Health Organisation

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/human-papillomavirus-(hpv)-and-cervical-cancer



"We know for sure that most cervical cancer is caused by a sexually transmitted disease called human papilloma virus, or HPV." - WebMD

https://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/hpv-genital-warts/cervical-cancer-hpv-what-women-girls-should-know#1



"Most types of HPV do not cause cervical cancer. About 13 high-risk HPV types are linked to cancer, with high-risk types 16 and 18 causing most cervical cancers. Overall, nearly all cases of cervical cancer (99.7%) are caused by high-risk HPV." - Cervical Cancer Trust

https://www.jostrust.org.uk/about-cervical-cancer/hpv/hpv-and-cervical-cancer

"Almost all cervical cancer cases occur in women who have been previously infected with HPV" - NHS

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/cervical-cancer/causes/

[Cherie]

Nearly, almost...


sorry love I know I said nearly....but you just happen to be in the 1% is it really worth taking the risk? plus as I have said before and you haven't addressed other issues can be detected from the screening so.......

I don't know why anybody bothers with med school given all your knowledge TS learned straight off the net

[user104658]

Nearly, almost...


sorry love I know I said nearly....but you just happen to be in the 1% is it really worth taking the risk? plus as I have said before and you haven't addressed other issues can be detected from the screening so.......

I don't know why anybody bothers with med school given all your knowledge TS learned straight off the net

The screening is mainly done to* detect early cellular changes caused by HPV and doesn't detect the 0.3% of cervical cancers not caused by HPV. You're free not to believe me Cherie but I chose to cite places like cancer research, the NHS and the WHO for a reason; it's not just "random stuff off the net", and no one has to "believe me" if they care to read the information on those links.

Whether you want to disbelieve the various health organisations is another matter, I suppose? :shrug:

[user104658]

The only (large) caveat I would add is that the vast majority of sexually active adults do carry HPV.

[Niamh.]

The HPV Vacine is relatively new though isn't it? It's only being offered here in schools in the last couple of years and only to girls although there's talks about getting boys done aswell soon. There is a history of cervical cancer in my family so it's important I get my smears done although I will be talking with my doctor about the HPV next time I'm there, obviously anyway of avoiding smears would be fantastic but I don't know why they wouldn't already have offered that if it was a better alternative, especially since we send our smears to American labs to be tested and there's been problems with back logs here atm

[AnnieK]

The screening is to detect early cellular changes caused by HPV and doesn't detect the 0.3% of cervical cancers not caused by HPV. You're free not to believe me Cherie but I chose to cite places like cancer research, the NHS and the WHO for a reason; it's not just "random stuff off the net", and no one has to "believe me" if they care to read the information on those links.

Whether you want to disbelieve the various health organisations is another matter, I suppose? :shrug:

To be honest though, I personally was worried that they only test for HPV - when I DID have abnormal cells, I still tested negative for the HPV virus. They still decided to do a procedure that burned the abnormalities away as after several follow ups the cells were still abnormal

[Vicky.]

I don't know why anybody bothers with med school given all your knowledge TS learned straight off the net

My GP goes on google infront of me for medical advice, its bizarre because hes so..against using google for medical advice: :laugh:

He once went down my neck as I had an issue and said basically that I had read around and think it might possibly be X. Said never search medical stuff online, etc. Then infront of me, in same appointment, put my symptoms into google, and agreed :suspect:

[Twosugars]

Maybe its not the best choice of name, but changing the name won't change the actual procedure or fear of it or embarrassment which seems to be the case now, given women spend an average of 15 hours in labour with their legs in the air and a host of different people peering up their vagina, I really don't see what the issue is with having a 5 minute minorly uncomfortable procedure? Pap test is even worse in my view


Apparently for some it can be quite painful. That bit of the cervix is well ennervated and the collection is about scraping the cells off so it must be fairly firm to get a good sample. I'd imagine a combination of factors (offputting name, possible pain etc) contribute to insufficient participation.

Anyway, I hope their campaign works.

[Vicky.]

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/mar/21/home-smear-test-to-be-rolled-out-in-england-to-combat-low-screening-numbers

Read this and thought of this thread..what a fantastic idea..not available on the NHS apparently but its only about 80 quid. Rather than stressing myself about being hurt again..I think I am very likely to get this (yes, am still putting it off :shrug: )

[hijaxers]

This test saves lives.

Such a shame that so many women don’t go for screening.
I can understand how some might think it embarrassing, but it’s not as bad as you might think.
Better than ended up with having to go for a vaginal scan etc, plus any treatment needed if you end up with cancer.

How about when you get someone elses results with the same name as you !

I reported immediately as i knew i had not a a test done , they were very apologetic and said they would correct and send me a formal apology ~ That never arrived ! and when i next saw the nurse at the clinic for flu jab i said my test was due and she said ' you had one done 6 mths ago !

Hence i've not gone back and had no test for way too long.
I would like one one the new home tests as i cannot trust my clinic not to cockup !

I would have changed clinic's but i'm not allowed, bloody great situation.

[Livia]

I realised I hadn't had a test for a while... I contacted my surgery who told me I'd had a negative test last year. Not unless they crept in during the night and did it without me knowing. So they said they would have someone would contact me. When I hadn't heard anything a month later I called them again... this time they told me that they don't book the actual appointments, and gave me a London number to ring that took me through to Public Health England. They had no idea why I was calling them, they don't keep records or make appointments and referred me back to the surgery. I had to ask the practise manager to intervene because the reception staff were convinced it wasn't their job to book smear tests.

And they wonder why take-up has fallen.

[Vicky.]

Yeah, the program is not exactly done very well at all. Not much use complaining about takeup when they are giving wrong info out!

[Josy]

My nurse is great when it comes to this tbh always checks during an appointment just to make sure I'm not overdue a test, then the surgery always sends a reminder letter out just before it's due again.

It's quite bad really the amount of women not going for it, my nurse said the percentage of women having it done at our practice is at an all time low :/

We lost my sister in law to cervical cancer a few years back, she was only turned 40 and the scary thing is she had never had an abnormal test result!

[Niamh.]

My nurse is great when it comes to this tbh always checks during an appointment just to make sure I'm not overdue a test, then the surgery always sends a reminder letter out just before it's due again.

It's quite bad really the amount of women not going for it, my nurse said the percentage of women having it done at our practice is at an all time low :/

We lost my sister in law to cervical cancer a few years back, she was only turned 40 and the scary thing is she had never had an abnormal test result!

So sorry Josy about your sister in law. There's a big issue here at the moment which i mentioned earlier where around 4000 women got back false results on their smears and unfortunately it was too late for a few of them.

[Josy]

So sorry Josy about your sister in law. There's a big issue here at the moment which i mentioned earlier where around 4000 women got back false results on their smears and unfortunately it was too late for a few of them.

Thanks Nimah

Oh God that's awful :/ issues like that are not acceptable and need sorting out asap, those poor women.

[hijaxers]

Thanks Nimah

Oh God that's awful :/ issues like that are not acceptable and need sorting out asap, those poor women.

Yeah so looking at just the women responding here the campaign is a joke ~ get the service in order first !