Boeing 737max Workers send terrible messages

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/ethiopian-airlines-plane-with-157-people-on-board-crashes-11660677

[An Ethiopian Airlines plane with
157 people on board has crashed
on its way to Nairobi in Kenya,
with deaths reported.
The Boeing 737, carrying 149 passengers
and eight crew members,
was on a regular scheduled flight
when it came down, just six minutes
after taking off from
the Ethiopian capital, Addis Ababa.]


Deaths reported.
Sad news for the 2 nations

[Underscore]

Brand new aircraft too. Used to be a planes geek and the plane that’s crashed was the sole delivered one of a batch they’ve just ordered...

Scary

[Eddie.]

Oh dear. :(

Hope not too many lives are lost...

The fact that it's a brand new plane also puzzles me...

[smudgie]

Tragic.:sad:
R.I.P. to all who perished.

[user104658]

The fact that it's a brand new plane also puzzles me...

Well a plane that has been flying for years is tried and tested. A brand new one more likely to have undiscovered faults.

[Wizard.]

I have never flown in my life due to anxiety of a plane crash and I’m meant to be going to Greece and Mexico this year and this just makes me not wan an go

[arista]

Yes TS any Faults in
a New 737 Max
"could" be due to using cheaper bits and pieces
then we must know - Fast.
Or was it bad weather
Or was it Terror?

[Redway]

A few geniuses decided to laugh at the article on Facebook. State of 2019 Britain.

[arista]

I have never flown in my life due to anxiety of a plane crash and I’m meant to be going to Greece and Mexico this year and this just makes me not wan an go



If its a 737 Max plane
then the results of this Crash are important.
To be Fair - we do not know yet.

[arista]

A few geniuses decided to laugh at the article on Facebook. State of 2019 Britain.



Facebook is not a Valid news feed
anything on it - needs to be double checked


Some Kids do not care, and will post anything they want

[Nicky91]

Yes TS any Faults in
a New 737 Max
"could" be due to using cheaper bits and pieces
then we must know - Fast.
Or was it bad weather
Or was it Terror?

that's for the NTSB to find out now


if Terror, then there is evidence such as explosion damage, and also metal bend outwards and not inwards


another terrible incident for Ethiopian Airlines :(, i can remember that one hijacking (saw that on air crash investigation one of its early seasons of that) which was also horrible

[Nicky91]

wait a minute ''crashed shortly after takeoff''


TWA 800 deja vu all over again i think of, since that one also crashed shortly after takeoff when electrical wire made a spark and ignited the fuel

[arista]

Sadly all have died

7 of them , who died were British Tourists.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-33-nationalities-on-board-doomed-ethiopian-airlines-flight-to-nairobi-11660830


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03/10/12/article-6791675-10801464-650_964x543.jpg

[Nicky91]

http://avherald.com/h?article=4c534c4a&opt=0

here's link to a picture of the crash site, a crater with small pieces of the plane

[arista]

It gets worse
From CNN HD Live Richard Quest
the same type of plane 737 Max8
is the same model as the Lion Air Crash 737 Max8 in 2018

[Nicky91]

5 dutch confirmed to be on board this flight :sad:

[UserSince2005]

ive done that flight many a time. could have been me :(

[arista]

The Pilot asked to return
so he knew it was going wrong


Ref: CNN HD USA

[Moniqua]

So sad :(

[Cherie]

RIP all 157 victims, seems there is a problem with the new Boeing, same plane as the Lion Air crash in October which was also new, they better be taking them out of service until it is fixed :umm2:

[arista]

China has stopped all their 737max planes from flying.
And both black boxes of this tragedy plane are found safe.


https://news.sky.com/story/ethiopia-crash-china-suspends-use-of-boeing-737-max-8-11661777

https://e3.365dm.com/19/03/768x432/skynews-ethiopia-plane-crash_4604617.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190311100754

[Cherie]

China has stopped all their 737max planes from flying.
And both black boxes of this tragedy plane are found safe.


https://news.sky.com/story/ethiopia-crash-china-suspends-use-of-boeing-737-max-8-11661777

https://e3.365dm.com/19/03/768x432/skynews-ethiopia-plane-crash_4604617.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190311100754

Bloody good job! I heard this morning some woman saying decisions would be taken by airlines, not good enough! There should be a blanket ban on flying this aircraft and should have been after the LION aircraft came down

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11BA9/production/_104071627_boeing_737_infographic_english_640-nc-3.png


[According to Boeing's website, 16 airlines have taken delivery of the 737 Max 8.
TUI Group has 15 in its fleet and said it is in close contact with the manufacturer,
but has no plans to take them out of service. It is the only airline to have any
such planes registered with the UK's Civil Aviation Authority.]

Despite loads of other nations stop flying them
the UK Still is


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47519929

[Cherie]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/11BA9/production/_104071627_boeing_737_infographic_english_640-nc-3.png


[According to Boeing's website, 16 airlines have taken delivery of the 737 Max 8.
TUI Group has 15 in its fleet and said it is in close contact with the manufacturer,
but has no plans to take them out of service. It is the only airline to have any
such planes registered with the UK's Civil Aviation Authority.]

Despite loads of other nations stop flying them
the UK Still is


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47519929

TUI should be ashamed of themselves

[Beso]

2 beautiful female animal welfare activists amongst the dead sadly.

[arista]

https://storify.com/services/proxy/2/9mZd8cpUhLYTO1hIi9B0_Q/https/storify.com/services/proxy/2/R1qYrpFq0qljX1UQuk3dcw/https/d2kmm3vx031a1h.cloudfront.net/yr1BGisTMyDY5ZQ5SxIQ_mirror.JPG

[Cherie]

TUI must be crazy, their bookings are going to nosedive

[arista]

TUI must be crazy, their bookings are going to nosedive



The Trouble is
all their money is in these new planes
that Travel Company has 5,
and soon they get a sixth.

If you have a flight booked and its that plane
you can not change it.
At this time,



[Australia becomes latest country to suspend Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft ]

https://news.sky.com/story/boeing-to-issue-software-update-to-make-737-max-safer-11662753

[Underscore]

TUI must be crazy, their bookings are going to nosedive

I'm flying with them to Bulgaria, Crete and I think Turkey (although that could be Jet2) this summer

:blush:

[Cherie]

I'm flying with them to Bulgaria, Crete and I think Turkey (although that could be Jet2) this summer

:blush:

Would you have still booked with what you know now....

[Niamh.]

Me and my daughter are flying to Glasgow next week with Ryanair, I've been checking if they use those planes and I think they don't yet but have an order of them due next month, anyone know for sure? I think I'd cancel if they were using those planes

[Underscore]

Would you have still booked with what you know now....

Yes! There's no way of knowing if they were defo linked (although there's a chance)... at least now there should *hopefully* be some investigations going on and whatever it is whether it's a software fault or whatever is fixed immediately.

At the end of the day whatever plane you go on could go down, and it's not like TUI operate one set of aircraft anyway.

[Underscore]

Me and my daughter are flying to Glasgow next week with Ryanair, I've been checking if they use those planes and I think they don't yet but have an order of them due next month, anyone know for sure? I think I'd cancel if they were using those planes

The two planes that crashed were 737 MAX 8 variants. Ryanair have ordered 737 MAX 2.

They are different airframes, so it shouldn't really matter unless it's found it was a linked software fault.

[Niamh.]

The two planes that crashed were 737 MAX 8 variants. Ryanair have ordered 737 MAX 2.

They are different airframes, so it shouldn't really matter unless it's found it was a linked software fault.

Ok thanks

[Cherie]

Me and my daughter are flying to Glasgow next week with Ryanair, I've been checking if they use those planes and I think they don't yet but have an order of them due next month, anyone know for sure? I think I'd cancel if they were using those planes

Ryanair have ordered but not got them yet

[Cherie]

Yes! There's no way of knowing if they were defo linked (although there's a chance)... at least now there should *hopefully* be some investigations going on and whatever it is whether it's a software fault or whatever is fixed immediately.

At the end of the day whatever plane you go on could go down, and it's not like TUI operate one set of aircraft anyway.

Its a bit of a coincidence, the other thing is Boeing haven't sent the software update linked to the original crash yet which was promised, 4 months later....negligence!

[Niamh.]

Ryanair have ordered but not got them yet

Thanks :love:

[arista]

UK now has stopped any 737Max planes flying


https://news.sky.com/story/boeing-to-issue-software-update-to-make-737-max-safer-11662753


So the TUI company are stuck
with 15 of them

[Underscore]

And Niamh you're safe to fly for Glasgow chick :love:

[Niamh.]

And Niamh you're safe to fly for Glasgow chick :love:

:love:

[Underscore]

so hopefully now they will look into it and rectify it and i won't die in june

[Underscore]

The compensation the airlines will be looking to get off Boeing will be eyewatering I dread to think

The amount of flights that may have to be cancelled or delayed (15 planes in a budget airline will mean a lot of flights missed a day) eye watering

[Wizard.]

Boeing said the software changes were designed to make "an already safe aircraft even safer".

The makers of the Titanic said it was unsinkable but looked what happened there, hate these cocky giant companies who always reject anything is their fault.

[Underscore]

Its a bit of a coincidence, the other thing is Boeing haven't sent the software update linked to the original crash yet which was promised, 4 months later....negligence!

That is true... If it is a software update hopefully it's rectified, thoroughly tested then the planes can be on their way.

Either way... Boeing have a lot to answer for

[Underscore]

The makers of the Titanic said it was unsinkable but looked what happened there, hate these cocky giant companies who always reject anything is their fault.

The Boeing 737 is one of the safest and most reliable aircraft in the world, very much like trains on the tube, constantly worked maybe going about 4 flights a day or more with some airlines... My question is, why fix what's not broken?

[bots]

They changed the engine placement in the latest configuration for greater fuel efficiency. Unfortunately, this mean that the default flying position is now unstable unless software auto corrects it. So, if the software isn't doing what it should, the aircraft tends toward a stall.

People can blame the software if they like, but the under lying problem is in the design of the aircraft, driven by fuel efficiency.

[Cherie]

They changed the engine placement in the latest configuration for greater fuel efficiency. Unfortunately, this mean that the default flying position is now unstable unless software auto corrects it. So, if the software isn't doing what it should, the aircraft tends toward a stall.

People can blame the software if they like, but the under lying problem is in the design of the aircraft, driven by fuel efficiency.

This is crazy, how did it pass a safety test

[bots]

This is crazy, how did it pass a safety test

it's even more crazy when you realise that the way to take a plane out of a stall is to point the nose downward. So if the software over corrects, it puts the plane into a nose dive that the pilot can't do anything about

[Cherie]

it's even more crazy when you realise that the way to take a plane out of a stall is to point the nose downward. So if the software over corrects, it puts the plane into a nose dive that the pilot can't do anything about

:worry:

[arista]

This is crazy, how did it pass a safety test


They did months of tests - no problems
but 2 planes , one last year
& one now have proved the Technical system
is deadly.
As the Pilot can not change it
This Ethiopian Pilot was a top qualified Pilot
he could not stop the controls taking over

Boeing Shares are going down fast
Computer Engineers Fecked up - FACT



787max Computer Error - Extreme Deaths

[Cherie]

They did months of tests - no problems
but 2 planes , one last year
& one now have proved the Technical system
is deadly.
As the Pilot can not change it
This Ethiopian Pilot was a top qualified Pilot
he could not stop the controls taking over

Boeing Shares are going down fast
Computer Engineers Fecked up - FACT



787max Computer Error - Extreme Deaths

Pleased they have grounded it, its insane that a pilot can't override the controls

[arista]

Pleased they have grounded it, its insane that a pilot can't override the controls


Yes a Good Top Pilot trying to stop the Computer Control of that 787Max8 plane,
from nose diving in a Massive Explosion
Matter of seconds.....................................

[arista]

Now USA & Canada has Banned
737Max8 from Flying


Ref: Ch4HDNews

[bots]

Boeing has grounded its entire global fleet of 737 Max aircraft after investigators uncovered new evidence at the scene of the fatal Ethiopian Airlines crash.

The US plane-maker said it would suspend all 371 of the aircraft.

The Federal Aviation Administration said fresh evidence as well as newly refined satellite data prompted the decision to temporarily ban the jets.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47562727

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-orders-boeing-737-max-8s-to-be-grounded-after-ethiopia-crash-11664428

I bet they have found
their Computer FECK UP

[Cherie]

Its a good job the black boxes were found or they would still be flying :idc:

They should have been grounded since Sunday

[Nicky91]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethiopia-airplane-witnesses-idUSKBN1QS1LJ

apparently the plane left a trail of white smoke before it crashed

[arista]

Some reports are saying its one computer circuit
that if faulty, can not be over ridden
made by a sub contractor.

Some airlines have loads of these planes on order.

The Boeing Team in charge
will have to tell the truth
On 2 planes and all these people
dead due to a cheap sub contractor

[Cherie]

Some reports are saying its one computer circuit
that if faulty, can not be over ridden
made by a sub contractor.

Some airlines have loads of these planes on order.

The Boeing Team in charge
will have to tell the truth
On 2 planes and all these people
dead due to a cheap sub contractor

and to ignore it so not only one load of passengers were killed but two, and even after the second plane crashed still would not ground their faulty planes

[Cherie]

(Bloomberg) -- As the Lion Air crew fought to control their diving Boeing Co. 737 Max 8, they got help from an unexpected source: an off-duty pilot who happened to be riding in the cockpit.

That extra pilot, who was seated in the cockpit jumpseat, correctly diagnosed the problem and told the crew how to disable a malfunctioning flight-control system and save the plane, according to two people familiar with Indonesia’s investigation.
The next day, under command of a different crew facing what investigators said was an identical malfunction, the jetliner crashed into the Java Sea killing all 189 aboard.
The previously undisclosed detail on the earlier Lion Air flight represents a new clue in the mystery of how some 737 Max pilots faced with the malfunction have been able to avert disaster while the others lost control of their planes and crashed. The presence of a third pilot in the cockpit wasn’t contained in Indonesia’s National Transportation Safety Committee’s Nov. 28 report on the crash and hasn’t previously been reported.



https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/pilot-who-hitched-a-ride-saved-lion-air-737-day-before-deadly-crash/ar-BBUZ9uS?ocid=spartanntp

[Cherie]

mmm a huge company now trying to put the blame on the pilots


ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia — Ethiopian Airlines surpassed many carriers by becoming one of the first to install a simulator to teach pilots how to fly the new Boeing 737 Max 8, but the captain of the doomed Flight 302 never trained on the simulator, according to people close to the airline’s operations.
The people, who spoke on condition of anonymity because Ethiopian Airlines had not authorized disclosure of the information, said the carrier had the Max 8 simulator up and running in January, two months before Flight 302 crashed.
Boeing has said that experienced 737 pilots needed little training for the new Max 8, an assertion that has now come under close scrutiny by regulatory officials and pilots at other airlines. Two of the planes have fatally crashed in the past five months, and regulators around the world grounded all Max 8s last week.
The pilot of Flight 302, Yared Getachew, who had 8,000 hours of flying experience including on the 737, took a refresher course on a different simulator in late September and early October, according to one person familiar with the airline, and was not due for another round of simulator training until after the crash on March 10.
It was unclear if the second pilot on Flight 302, the co-pilot, had trained on the Max 8 simulator. Nor was it clear if the airline had used the simulator for refresher courses it requires pilots to take every six months, or only to train new pilots.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/ethiopian-airlines-installed-max-8-simulator-but-pilot-on-doomed-flight-didnt-get-training/ar-BBV2sjt?ocid=spartanntp

[Cherie]

Thought these planes were grounded in the US?


They won't be happy until they needlessly kill another plane load of people


A Southwest Airlines Boeing 737 Max 8 being ferried without passengers experienced engine trouble shortly after takeoff, prompting pilots to return to the Orlando International Airport. The plane was heading to Victorville, California.
The plane's No. 2 engine began to overheat after takeoff, after ingesting debris on the runway which caused a buildup of exhaust. Southwest Airlines says the engine did not blow out.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/southwest-boeing-737-max-8-had-engine-emergency/ar-BBVgNI7?ocid=spartanntp

[arista]

Yes this was not a Passenger plane
at least.

Boeing need to tell the World what the Fault is?
no way can they blame Pilots

[Cherie]

Yes this was not a Passenger plane
at least.

Boeing need to tell the World what the Fault is?
no way can they blame Pilots

what if it come down in a residential area though

[bots]

what if it come down in a residential area though

there is an awful lot of cargo type planes in the air, and a lot of them are very dodgy. It may also have been a logistical move, these things don't travel well on the road system :laugh:

[Cherie]

there is an awful lot of cargo type planes in the air, and a lot of them are very dodgy. It may also have been a logistical move, these things don't travel well on the road system :laugh:

all well and good but we know this one is dodgy..... cant believe the crew are risking themselves like this

[arista]

Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 pilots 'could not stop nosedive'

A New Report
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47812225


Boeing got Pilots trained via a ipad?
Talk about saving money
Boeing are a Disgrace
2 Planes all dead.

[Cherie]

The crew being absolved of any blame, quite right too. Boeing should be hanging their heads in shame

[Nicky91]

yeah well there has been a silent serial killer in plane crashes before

with rudder malfunction, also couple of planes crashed all dead


the problem back then was, if you push left you'd go right, push right you'd go left


was on air crash investigation at Nat Geo (what i watch most of the time)


the NTSB people have such a tough job, at the crashsite with the horrible smells of burning rotting flesh, sometimes they must use hazmat suits for protection

[arista]

The crew being absolved of any blame, quite right too. Boeing should be hanging their heads in shame



Yes they trusted the cheap ipad training
from Nasty Boeing.

Loads of this plane are still on order
I am amazed no company has canceled the contract

Trust in Boeing is going down the bog
Airbus selling loads of planes now.

[Cherie]

Yes they trusted the cheap ipad training
from Nasty Boeing.

Loads of this plane are still on order
I am amazed no company has canceled the contract

Trust in Boeing is going down the bog
Airbus selling loads of planes now.

They are probably giving them away in a 2 for 1 deal

[arista]

American Airlines cancellations reach into June
because of 737 Max grounding

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/07/business/american-june-canceling-flights-737-max-grounding/index.html?utm_source=twbusiness&utm_term=image&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2019-04-08T17%3A20%3A07

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/boeing-boss-faces-shareholders-over-fatal-737-max-crashes-11707134

[B]As a CEO he should resign
he could have grounded them all after the first Crash,
he may be doing tests
but it needs approval.

6 Billion Dollars to pay out.


https://e3.365dm.com/19/04/768x432/skynews-dennis-muilenburg-boeing-chief-executive_4654159.jpg?bypass-service-worker&20190429154428
CEO Dennis Muilenberg

[arista]

That Pathetic CEO is now Gone.
By now they wanted approval
but the Factory plant has had problems as well.


https://news.sky.com/story/boeing-temporarily-halts-production-of-737-max-11888578


They are saying next month they may start again?

[bots]

They should have taken safety more seriously

[arista]

They should have taken safety more seriously



Yes Cutting Costs
no care for life.

[arista]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50893490

At last, they have Sacked the CEO

[arista]

[In an April 2017 message exchange between
two unnamed employees,
one said: "This airplane is designed by
clowns who in turn are supervised by monkeys."

Internal messages reveal Boeing worker wouldn't
let his own family on a 737 MAX ]

https://news.sky.com/story/boeing-737-max-aircraft-designed-by-clowns-said-worker-before-fatal-crashes-11905194


Utter mess

[Cherie]

[In an April 2017 message exchange between
two unnamed employees,
one said: "This airplane is designed by
clowns who in turn are supervised by monkeys."

Internal messages reveal Boeing worker wouldn't
let his own family on a 737 MAX ]

https://news.sky.com/story/boeing-737-max-aircraft-designed-by-clowns-said-worker-before-fatal-crashes-11905194


Utter mess

just wow

[Kizzy]

This is what happens when you deskill your workforce to make them cheaper...
These were the fast food of the skies, but just like junk food junk planes will kill you.