White man racially abuses Black tube passenger

[Tony Montana]

A shocking video captures the moment a white man climbs on seats and makes monkey noises in an apparent racist attack on a black commuter on a London Underground train. Mohammed Dirir, 27, filmed as the man racially abused him on Friday night on the Northern Line, just before Kennington station. He claims the man pretended to be a monkey before he started recording, so he asked him to repeat the movements on camera, telling him to ‘do it for the ‘gram’.

The man, fully aware he is being filmed, then jumps on seats, swings from poles, and makes exaggerated ape-like noises. Despite being challenged several times, the man – one of a group of six white males – was unapologetic and laughed and joked about the apparent abuse, Mohammed said.

Posting the video on Instagram, he wrote: ‘Racism is still alive. To all my people of colour around the world, stay strong. ‘Let’s end this epidemic once and for all.’ A friend of the victim also posted the video to Twitter, where it has been shared thousands of times.


https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/10/white-man-pretends-monkey-racist-attack-black-tube-passenger-8878204/

[Underscore]

https://metro.co.uk/2019/03/10/white-man-pretends-monkey-racist-attack-black-tube-passenger-8878204/

Lock them up

[Underscore]

I hope they all lose their jobs and livelihoods

[Beso]

I would have him flung in jail for 12 months.

[Crimson Dynamo]

How did the man with the camera know that the other lad pretending to be a monkey was anything to do with him or racism as the video does not show this?

idgi

[montblanc]

How did the man with the camera know that the other lad pretending to be a monkey was anything to do with him or racism as the video does not show this?

idgi

like clockwork :skull:

[Withano]

like clockwork :skull:

:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

like clockwork :skull:

if you dont know the answer to my question just say?

maybe another member can answer me?

[Amy Jade]

Idiots. If this was racially motivated the guy in the blue should be at least spoken to by the police.

[Tom4784]

How did the man with the camera know that the other lad pretending to be a monkey was anything to do with him or racism as the video does not show this?

idgi

You certainly like to excuse racism, don't you?

[Alf]

You certainly like to excuse racism, don't you?You crave it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You certainly like to excuse racism, don't you?

so you cant answer the question either ?

maybe another member can?

[Oliver_W]

If this actually was racially motiviated, then duck 'em all tbh

[Tom4784]

so you cant answer the question either ?

maybe another member can?

You are not this dense so stop trolling, it is boring.

Making monkey sounds at a POC only ever has one meaning, especially in the manner he was doing it. There's only one explanation and no amount of handwringing and excusing the obvious racism in the video is going to explain it away as anything but.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If this actually was racially motiviated, then duck 'em all tbh

thats the problem this video does not tell us that and as such is fairly useless other than a dog whistle exercise to man the pitchforks and take to the streets

i mean in London to imitate a monkey like that is a bad idea in public and in general but you cant just assume its racially motivated, life does not work like that

[arista]

https://i0.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/SEI_56140644-e1552210492635.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=540%2C465&ssl=1

Yes Tony
he is Pathetic Punk

[Crimson Dynamo]

You are not this dense so stop trolling, it is boring.

Making monkey sounds at a POC only ever has one meaning, especially in the manner he was doing it. There's only one explanation and no amount of handwringing and excusing the obvious racism in the video is going to explain it away as anything but.

he wasnt at the start, the poc then asked him to do it and he obliged but there is nothing in the video that suggests that it was aimed at him miles away initially or am i missing a bit?

[arista]

How did the man with the camera know that the other lad pretending to be a monkey was anything to do with him or racism as the video does not show this?

idgi



Because he started filming on his phone
after he did Monkey moves before

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i0.wp.com/metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/SEI_56140644-e1552210492635.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&zoom=1&resize=540%2C465&ssl=1

Yes Tony
he is Pathetic Punk

could be cocaine

by the looks of that mush

[Oliver_W]

They are quite a distance apart, so it's possible they were farting around and did monkey noises for whatever stupid reason, causing the black guy to take offence even though it wasn't aimed at him.
I'm not saying that's what I think happened, but it's possible. They didn't even seem to know he was there until he shouted to them.

[arista]

could be cocaine

by the looks of that mush



Yes could be

[Cherie]

A gang of six?

its one twat who was pissed as the lady said on the video, complete prat and will probably get a visit from the police and lose his job so hey ho

[JerseyWins]

Now that's racist af :skull:

[Tony Montana]

A gang of six?

its one twat who was pissed as the lady said on the video, complete prat and will probably get a visit from the police and lose his job so hey ho

I copied the title from daily mail, I hadn’t even watched the video before posting

I’ll edit it

[Moniqua]

They are quite a distance apart, so it's possible they were farting around and did monkey noises for whatever stupid reason, causing the black guy to take offence even though it wasn't aimed at him.
I'm not saying that's what I think happened, but it's possible. They didn't even seem to know he was there until he shouted to them.

stop

[Elliot]

They are quite a distance apart, so it's possible they were farting around and did monkey noises for whatever stupid reason, causing the black guy to take offence even though it wasn't aimed at him.
I'm not saying that's what I think happened, but it's possible. They didn't even seem to know he was there until he shouted to them.

Skjskjskj

[Alf]

SkjskjskjThat's a racist word.

[arista]

Skjskjskj


Elliot Stop posting anger like that
Write a Word Please

[Oliver_W]

stop

Skjskjskj

I was being balanced, why are you two being like that?

[Alf]

I was being balanced, why are you two being like that?You can’t be balanced Oliver, it's 2019, pick a side.

[Cherie]

I copied the title from daily mail, I hadn’t even watched the video before posting

I’ll edit it

I'm not blaming you Tony, but this is how the media whips up hysteria because many people don't read beyond the title

[Oliver_W]

You can’t be balanced Oliver, it's 2019, pick a side.
It's fine, they probably didn't watch the video.

[Redway]

Who expects less from LeatherTrumpet?

[UserSince2005]

hes cute though. cant excuse racism. but i wouldnt kick that monkey out of bed.

[Northern Monkey]

Arseholes like that usually learn their lesson after a good kicking.They only understand one language.

[Redway]

Let’s see them last 2 minutes on Old Kent Road.

[Alf]

Let’s see them last 2 minutes on Old Kent Road.Why, do violent people live down there?

[thesheriff443]

I don’t think it was racist, the guy doing the filming is aggressive and has a chip on his shoulder and looking for a confrontation.

[thesheriff443]

Regardless of race, all humans share 96 per cent dna as chimps.

[Redway]

Jesus wept.

[Alf]

Jesus wept.That's blasphemy

[Redway]

Not as bad as excusing blatant racism though is it.

[Alf]

Not as bad as excusing blatant racism though is it.Depends who you are, I suppose.

[Babayaro.]

God this site is depressing

[Alf]

God this site is depressingI'm trying my best to liven it up.

[Redway]

By trolling in a thread about racism?

[Alf]

By trolling in a thread about racism?While you call it trolling, I think my points have been valid.

You didn't answer my Old Kent Road question.

[reece(:]

God this site is depressing

Knew what to expect reading this thread but I still despair

[Redway]

While you call it trolling, I think my points have been valid.

You didn't answer my Old Kent Road question.

Okay.

[Babayaro.]

I think the ones on here defending the blatant racism won't be satisfied until someone calls another person the 'N word"

[Alf]

I think the ones on here defending the blatant racism won't be satisfied until someone calls another person the 'N word"Nobody has defended anything, that's your imagination running wild.

[Redway]

I think the ones on here defending the blatant racism won't be satisfied until someone calls another person the 'N word"

They’d find a way to try and justify it still. You’d be flabbergasted with these people.

[Babayaro.]

Nobody has defended anything, that's your imagination running wild.

Of course it is

[Alf]

Of course it isPeople have given their opinion on what they saw on a video that was posted. Nobody has defended anything.

[Babayaro.]

People have given their opinion on what they saw on a video that was posted. Nobody has defended anything.

I'm not disputing the fact that people have given their opinions on the video. Like, obviously they have.

But there's two groups of posters in the thread - a) those who see it as blatant racism and b) those who do not, therefore defending the man/men in question.

[Mystic Mock]

That's blasphemy

It's better that he wept than being cross.

[GoldHeart]

Condescending.
I have watched the video...it’s apparent that the guy imitating a monkey had done it previously prompting the man with the phone to call him and do it again. When he called them they turned as though they didn’t know he was there imo..but I could be wrong. The idiot then granted the guys wishes and imitated a monkey for him to video. The idiot was clearly drunk because it’s a pathetic thing to do for whatever reason...it could have been racially motivated..it could have been just a stupid piss head larking around...:shrug:
If the guy filming was being racially antagonised why would he encourage him to do it again and film him...it proves nothing unless it’s off the cuff.

It could be blatant racism...it could be just drunken stupidity..

Why can't it be both???

[JerseyWins]

Condescending.
I have watched the video...it’s apparent that the guy imitating a monkey had done it previously prompting the man with the phone to call him and do it again. When he called them they turned as though they didn’t know he was there imo..but I could be wrong. The idiot then granted the guys wishes and imitated a monkey for him to video. The idiot was clearly drunk because it’s a pathetic thing to do for whatever reason...it could have been racially motivated..it could have been just a stupid piss head larking around...:shrug:
If the guy filming was being racially antagonised why would he encourage him to do it again and film him...it proves nothing unless it’s off the cuff.

It could be blatant racism...it could be just drunken stupidity..
It proves that he did indeed do it because the guy knew what he was talking about and then did it again. And he wanted him to do it again to get proof of it on camera which I think is fine. :shrug:

It's a bit debatable whether the guy originally did it with racist intentions because sure he maybe could've just been drunk and randomly making monkey noises. However, when asked to do it again, the way he comes at the black guy while making the noises looks VERY patronizing/belittling/flat out racist so... it seems pretty racist :laugh:

[thesheriff443]

You all need to get off your soap boxes and come down to Earth.

I do a great monkey impression but i have respect for another person regardless of race, not all because there are bad humans in all races and I’m not a hypocrite.

Look past the title and the group of men are not in this guys face, it’s the guy with the camera that has an issue not the other way round.

It’s easy to make a knee jerk reaction, but it’s not being racist to question the facts.

[Oliver_W]

I don't get how it's being branded as "blatant racism", the video makes it impossible to know for sure, especially as like Rusticgal said, it seemed like they didn't know he was there until he shouted.

[Beso]

I think the voice of the female passenger helps prove this is a racist dick.

[Crimson Dynamo]

You all need to get off your soap boxes and come down to Earth.

I do a great monkey impression but i have respect for another person regardless of race, not all because there are bad humans in all races and I’m not a hypocrite.

Look past the title and the group of men are not in this guys face, it’s the guy with the camera that has an issue not the other way round.

It’s easy to make a knee jerk reaction, but it’s not being racist to question the facts.
In the sensible conclusion

[bots]

i think the guy filming wanted to be offended and wanted something to share on social media. Please perform for me so I can say I was racially abused.

The reason I take that view is that the guy clowning around was nowhere near him so he couldn't possibly have been abusing him at the start. Call the guy a drunken idiot, fine ... that is much more accurate than trying to say it is an instance of racial abuse.

[Elliot]

Why can't it be both???

It can’t be racism because people simply aren’t racist xd

Some posters are shocked to the knee jerk reaction to some of their comments. We can have a discussion and bring nuance to something like this but that’s hard when it’s the same like 3 posters that’s first reaction is to try and defend racism to like anything in the same bait-ey fashion.

[user104658]

I think the voice of the female passenger helps prove this is a racist dick.

Indeed.

I do wish the video started earlier because the context is actually completely missing and no... doing an animal impression isn't racist "at all times", only if it's clearly directed at someone for that reason. To suggest that any monkey impression is inherently racist is a bit much.

However I agree with Parm; the claim does gain a bit of validity because there are other voices on the recording that indicate the guys were taking the piss / being racist, and it doesn't sound like they were with the guy recording, just another random passenger.

[Crimson Dynamo]

thread title is inaccurate

some members cant accept that their narrative may not be correct


some of the same members and a mod start to get personal an attack people with insults

these posts are then removed


Jussie Smollet anyone?


:idc:

[user104658]

Jussie Smollet anyone?



I think the damage that Smollet has done is pretty clear immediately when things like this happen now because that WAS my immediate thought; not to disbelieve the video, but to wish there was more context because as things stand ... it is perfectly feasible that they were just idiots who were talked into doing monkey impressions deliberately to film it in a (successful) attempt to go viral.

Like I said above, the ONLY thing that makes me think it may well be a real incident of racism is that another passenger clearly believes so as well when the video starts, so it might have been clear what their intent was before the camera started rolling on them. But like I said I wish there was more context. Because the Smollet incident HAS demonstrated that a wait-and-see approach is sensible. But I'm not sure that's a good thing... to be less trusting of things like this.

[armand.kay]

God this site is depressing

at this point we have to laugh

[Northern Monkey]

I think I responded too soon.

Now i have actually watched the video there is nothing to actually suggest he was being racist.
All we saw were a group of lads stood there.The lad in the blue top had presumably been doing the monkey impression before the vid started rolling and had stopped.

Then the ‘victim’ asks him to do it again for his social media.So he does.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest it was meant to be racist.
It could have been but it just as easily could not have been.
Without seeing what happened before nobody knows.

[Tom4784]

I hate that people think that saying the words 'Jussie Smollett' is some kind of magical spell to banish claims of racism.

Says it all, really.

[Redway]

I think the damage that Smollet has done is pretty clear immediately when things like this happen now because that WAS my immediate thought; not to disbelieve the video, but to wish there was more context because as things stand ... it is perfectly feasible that they were just idiots who were talked into doing monkey impressions deliberately to film it in a (successful) attempt to go viral.

Like I said above, the ONLY thing that makes me think it may well be a real incident of racism is that another passenger clearly believes so as well when the video starts, so it might have been clear what their intent was before the camera started rolling on them. But like I said I wish there was more context. Because the Smollet incident HAS demonstrated that a wait-and-see approach is sensible. But I'm not sure that's a good thing... to be less trusting of things like this.

What’s this clown even saying?

[Redway]

I don't get how it's being branded as "blatant racism", the video makes it impossible to know for sure, especially as like Rusticgal said, it seemed like they didn't know he was there until he shouted.

Making monkey gestures to a black person only ever has one meaning.

[Beso]

What’s this clown even saying?

ya cheeky wee monkey.:nono:

[Tony Montana]

What’s this clown even saying?

Leave TS alone :nono:

[Tony Montana]

Why can't it be both???

Yeah it could be both tbh

[Oliver_W]

Making monkey gestures to a black person only ever has one meaning.

The black person asked him to do the monkey gestures for the camera, there's no proof they were aimed at him beforehand.

[arista]

Regardless of race, all humans share 96 per cent dna as chimps.



Sure
Except the ones that landed
from other planets etc.

[rusticgal]

The black person asked him to do the monkey gestures for the camera, there's no proof they were aimed at him beforehand.

In a nutshell...correct.

[Alf]

I have to just put up with things that offend me, there is nothing I can do.

Verbal abuse of my Queen offends me, what can I do about it? Being called a bigot offends me, what can I do about it? Being called a troll offends me, What can I do about it? Calling my countries war time hero Mr Churchill horrible names offends me, what can I do about it.

I just have to take it, smile and get on with life.

I have no privilege.

[user104658]

What’s this clown even saying?

... ... ... ... ... Did you not end up disappearing with your tail between your legs the last time we got into it, Redway? :hehe:

It's ok, I get it. "You're very angry about stuff and everyone needs to know", whether we're interested or not, apparently.

Anyway, since I'm not sure exactly who you were asking, I'll clarify for myself:


This clown is saying that the video unfortunately starts too late, and ends too early, to give an overview of what actually happened from start to finish and it is a shame that recent events have shown that context is important, and that it's naive to think otherwise. I'm not calling the guy who made the video a liar - like I said, there being others audible also saying they were being racist seems to confirm that they were being - but the video in itself is simply not enough to be certain.

I'm sure you're still angry about that explanation but I also don't care so :shrug:

[Redway]

... ... ... ... ... Did you not end up disappearing with your tail between your legs the last time we got into it, Redway? :hehe:

It's ok, I get it. "You're very angry about stuff and everyone needs to know", whether we're interested or not, apparently.

Anyway, since I'm not sure exactly who you were asking, I'll clarify for myself:


This clown is saying that the video unfortunately starts too late, and ends too early, to give an overview of what actually happened from start to finish and it is a shame that recent events have shown that context is important, and that it's naive to think otherwise. I'm not calling the guy who made the video a liar - like I said, there being others audible also saying they were being racist seems to confirm that they were being - but the video in itself is simply not enough to be certain.

I'm sure you're still angry about that explanation but I also don't care so :shrug:

LOL.

[Beso]

Someone post a video that shows an Asian man abusing a white woman on a train to make it 1 each ffs.

[user104658]

LOL.He screeched in pained, impotent rage.

[Redway]

He screeched in pained, impotent rage.

LMAO.

[Matthew.]

I have to just put up with things that offend me, there is nothing I can do.

Verbal abuse of my Queen offends me, what can I do about it? Being called a bigot offends me, what can I do about it? Being called a troll offends me, What can I do about it? Calling my countries war time hero Mr Churchill horrible names offends me, what can I do about it.

I just have to take it, smile and get on with life.

I have no privilege.

Are you seriously comparing disrepecting the monarchy/Winston Churchill or being called out as a troll/bigot to racism? :umm2:

[user104658]

LMAO.He added, for emphasis of just how very funny he found the little clown.

[chuff me dizzy]

How did the man with the camera know that the other lad pretending to be a monkey was anything to do with him or racism as the video does not show this?

idgi

What race is a monkey? and why was it instantly classed as racist by Mr BigMouth who was filming and encouraging the lad to make monkey moves ? IDGI either :conf:

[Twosugars]

What race is a monkey? and why was it instantly classed as racist by Mr BigMouth who was filming and encouraging the lad to make monkey moves ? IDGI either :conf:

pathetic excuse

never heard of football "fans" jeering black players with monkey noises and gestures?
were you born yesterday?

[Matthew.]

What race is a monkey? and why was it instantly classed as racist by Mr BigMouth who was filming and encouraging the lad to make monkey moves ? IDGI either :conf:

Please tell me this isn’t serious :facepalm:

[Tony Montana]

What race is a monkey? and why was it instantly classed as racist by Mr BigMouth who was filming and encouraging the lad to make monkey moves ? IDGI either :conf:

Seriously? :skull::umm2:

[Redway]

ya cheeky wee monkey.:nono:

Look at this guy.

[Oliver_W]

What race is a monkey? and why was it instantly classed as racist by Mr BigMouth who was filming and encouraging the lad to make monkey moves ? IDGI either :conf:

The man in the video may or may not have been racist, we can't tell at this point... but monkey noises have long been used against black people.

[Beso]

Look at this guy.

What on earth is wrong with you now.:bored: