Should schools and parents be allowed to discipline children more??

[Denver]

Teachers are not even allowed to raise their voices without being reported anymore so should we put more authority back into schools?

I think it will certainly help the children of today who are total unruly and could potentially help with the knife problems.

I also think parents should be allowed to discipline aswell

[thisisdanny]

They get away with so much these days, they run riot

[Liam-]

Bring back the cane

[Alf]

Yes, belt the little sods. They won't come back for seconds.

[Liam-]

Since when are parents not allowed to discipline their kids? :suspect:

[Denver]

Since when are parents not allowed to discipline their kids? :suspect:

Social services are very strict on how you punish a child like your not even allowed to send them to their rooms and make them sit on a step as it is deemed cruel

[Tony Montana]

Yes, belt the little sods. They won't come back for seconds.

“Please sir, I want some more”

[Morgan.]

Social services are very strict on how you punish a child like your not even allowed to send them to their rooms and make them sit on a step as it is deemed cruel

I used to love being sent to my room it's where all the cool things were

[Liam-]

Social services are very strict on how you punish a child like your not even allowed to send them to their rooms and make them sit on a step as it is deemed cruel

I think that’s a vast reach, I doubt there are parents getting visits for grounding their kids to their rooms

[Alf]

I used to love being sent to my room it's where all the cool things were
Did it turn you into a Hermit?

[montblanc]

what's your limit on disciplining them more?

[Denver]

I think that’s a vast reach, I doubt there are parents getting visits for grounding their kids to their rooms

Obviously not everyone but if they knew about it they would let you know.

I'm sure I saw somewhere that suggest a child has to have a TV its room.

When I was younger if I was naughty the TV came out

[Denver]

what's your limit on disciplining them more?

I think they need stricter rules in their life.

No mobile phones till they hit puberty.

Limits to time spent on games console and what they play.

Teenagers may need a lot more especially ones which are getting into trouble

[Denver]

I used to love being sent to my room it's where all the cool things were

I was sent to my room and the stuff I loved taken out

[montblanc]

I think they need stricter rules in their life.

No mobile phones till they hit puberty.

Limits to time spent on games console and what they play.

Teenagers may need a lot more especially ones which are getting into trouble

wait what :skull: i thought you were on about schools

[montblanc]

'no mobile phones till they hit puberty' sweetie not everyone hits puberty at the same time :laugh2:

[Alf]

I was sent to my room and the stuff I loved taken outI was sent to my room, and there was no stuff in there to start with.

[Denver]

wait what :skull: i thought you were on about schools

Obviously no phones in school

Isolate them instead of expelling them

Raise your voice if needed

[Denver]

'no mobile phones till they hit puberty' sweetie not everyone hits puberty at the same time :laugh2:

I dont agree with 8 or 9 year olds having phones it's wrong

[Redway]

Yes, yes and yes.

[montblanc]

I dont agree with 8 or 9 year olds having phones it's wrong

i had my first phone when i was 8 and i turned out fine so i don't think phones are the problem :nono:

[Denver]

i had my first phone when i was 8 and i turned out fine so i don't think phones are the problem :nono:

That's debatable :fan:

[montblanc]

Obviously no phones in school

Isolate them instead of expelling them

Raise your voice if needed

phones are necessary in school now it's not the 50s anymore :skull:

[montblanc]

That's debatable :fan:

:oh:

[Denver]

phones are necessary in school now it's not the 50s anymore :skull:

Why are they necessary??

[Redway]

i had my first phone when i was 8 and i turned out fine so i don't think phones are the problem :nono:

Did your phone let you access nude pictures on Snapchat when you were 8?

[Morgan.]

i had my first phone when i was 8 and i turned out fine so i don't think phones are the problem :nono:

Children are different though. Some kids at 8 would do nothing but want the phone, and throw tantrums when they got one.

My first smart phone (I had a ****ty flip one that did just calls for a while) was when I was in year 9 and even that didn't do much because it was ****ing Microsoft and they can't make good phones :laugh:

I didn't get an iPhone until literally last year :skull:

[Matthew.]

Phones themselves are not the problem most of the time, that’s such a lazy excuse

[Morgan.]

Phones are not the problem most of the time, that’s such a lazy excuse

They aren't the problem, but they're definitley not helping

[Denver]

Phones are not the problem, that’s such a lazy excuse

It's part of the problem.

Parents dont check what the kids get up to or who they chat to

[Matthew.]

They aren't the problem

Yeah that’s what I meant. I’ll edit it because I’ve realised that post wasn’t worded the best way

[montblanc]

Why are they necessary??

internet access for assignments and just general safety

also if a students stays after school for something they're gonna need it to call their parents

[Liam-]

Phones are not the problem most of the time, that’s such a lazy excuse

It’s the lazy parent excuse for their kids being knobs

[montblanc]

Did your phone let you access nude pictures on Snapchat when you were 8?

well no

[Alf]

It's part of the problem.

Parents dont check what the kids get up to or who they chat toWell then the parents are a bigger problem than the phone. If thy're not fulfilling their duty as a parent.

[Matthew.]

It’s the lazy parent excuse for their kids being knobs

:clap1:

[Morgan.]

internet access for assignments and just general safety

also if a students stays after school for something they're gonna need it to call their parents

None of these are necessary features though.

Every family will have a computer, laptop or tablet that can have controlled access.

Tbf a flip phone for just calling is enough for general safety. Having a calculator and a health app aren't gonnahelp when they're being bundled into a white van

If a students staying after school the next the school will have parents contacts details and all teachers can access these so I'm sure they wouldn't mind letting them know the reasons for the student staying longer

[Liam-]

If you raise a kid properly and teach them right from wrong, then 90% of the time, they’ll turn out to be good people no matter what technology is in front of them

I think parents are just gradually getting lazier, kids need discipline, a lot of parents these days want to be friends with their kids rather than be parents and that’s when you get kids without boundaries and fear of repercussions.

[Alf]

Kids should only be allowed to have old Nokias, for emergences. That's a fair compromise.

[montblanc]

None of these are necessary features though.

Every family will have a computer, laptop or tablet that can have controlled access.

Tbf a flip phone for just calling is enough for general safety. Having a calculator and a health app aren't gonnahelp when they're being bundled into a white van

If a students staying after school the next the school will have parents contacts details and all teachers can access these so I'm sure they wouldn't mind letting them know the reasons for the student staying longer

whenever a parent chooses to give their kid a phone that's a different story but banning them altogether from schools like adam said is not at all progressive or helpful especially in today's society

[smudgie]

A bit of stick and a lot of carrot.
Parenting classes wouldn’t come amiss either.
Your kids are not your friends, they are your responsibility, you love and nurture them until they can make big decisions on their own.
You become friends once they become young adults, hopefully.
Kids don’t need money thrown at them, just love..and understanding.

[montblanc]

A bit of stick and a lot of carrot.
Parenting classes wouldn’t come amiss either.
Your kids are not your friends, they are your responsibility, you love and nurture them until they can make big decisions on their own.
You become friends once they become young adults, hopefully.
Kids don’t need money thrown at them, just love..and understanding.

:love:

[Morgan.]

whenever a parent chooses to give their kid a phone that's a different story but banning them altogether from schools like adam said is not at all progressive or helpful especially in today's society

Oh yeah I wouldn't ban them altogether. All 5 of the high schools in my town have them banned and confiscated if found :skull:

I just don't think they're necessary things until older

[montblanc]

All 5 of the high schools in my town have them banned and confiscated if found :skull:

what the **** :omgno:

i can't even IMAGINE that

[Morgan.]

what the **** :omgno:

i can't even IMAGINE that

The rule came in last year so I didn't experience it luckily :joker:

[Moniqua]

wow some of y'all would be AWFUL parents tf :worry:

[Alf]

wow some of y'all would be AWFUL parents tf :worry:I know that I'd teach my children proper English. And teach them that it's "you all' and not "y'all"

[Moniqua]

I know that I'd teach my children proper English. And teach them that it's "you all' and not "y'all"

am not english, am oirish WHEW :dazzler:

[user104658]

No.

Also;

Social services are very strict on how you punish a child like your not even allowed to send them to their rooms and make them sit on a step as it is deemed cruel

Utter nonsense :idc:

[Mystic Mock]

Did your phone let you access nude pictures on Snapchat when you were 8?

I think that 8 year olds would be watching Cartoons and playing Video Games on the Mobile Phone rather than being on Snapchat tbf.

[Tom4784]

Only **** parents and teachers would need to resort to the threat of violent punishments to keep kids under control.

[Denver]

I dont remember anyone saying anything about violent punishment

[Mokka]

Teachers are not even allowed to raise their voices without being reported anymore so should we put more authority back into schools?

I think it will certainly help the children of today who are total unruly and could potentially help with the knife problems.

I also think parents should be allowed to discipline aswell

Where is the proof that yelling at someone in a raised voice will foster any kind of discipline. Pretty sure research points to the opposite. Why would we want our educators to teach our children that yelling is how you get things done. It only demeans the person you are yelling at.

And of course parents are allowed to discipline their children. They aren't allowed to physically abuse them, or put them deliberately in danger but giving them consequences for their actions is discipline.

Social services are very strict on how you punish a child like your not even allowed to send them to their rooms and make them sit on a step as it is deemed cruel

Lies

I dont remember anyone saying anything about violent punishment

That and punishment that leads to their detriment are the only forms of disciple not allowed.

You make no sense Adam.

[Koadey]

I'm a teacher, and I taught at two different schools in South Korea and now one in China. I can attest to this. I feel I've learned that some kids are more testing, and it's different for each student. The main differenc is that I had to report major offneses, diffuse offenses, or report recurring, minor offenses because if a native teacher had disciplined them for the same action, they'd potentially throw me under the bus by saying I don't do anything when they get caught. In a couple of cases, I had to report incidents to the director because the students couldn't verbally communicate well enough for me to get both sides of their story.

In the private school I taught in South Korea, you cant discipline students because these schools are ran by corporations and are ran like a business. If you discipline a student, they'll slander you to their prantes, who will then pull the kid out of the school in a heartbeat and the director would blame you for "costing them money". One major offense was when a girl, who was eight years old had asked me, "do you like a woman's" ..... and then pointed to her chest and then asked "do you like a woman's" ...... and then pointed to between her legs. I just had to tell the director to avoid her from doing this again.


At the international school in China, I just reasoned with one students. For instance, they plagarised an essay, so I had just told her that if she wants to be a doctor, if she does this in med school, she'll instantly get expelled and ruin her career before it would even begin. I did tell the director, who scolded her in Korean, until she went back to her desk in tears. I had another student who failed all of his classes, except Math where he had a C average. He legit told me that he doesn't care about his grades and in fact, he'd rather live in North Korea than study or do homework. Another student tells me that he just plays computer games until 3am in the morning, so that's where the parenting comes in.

In China, I'm at a public school, and I was given a list of things I can't do to discipline students, such as kick them out of the class or assign homework as a punishment. I'll communicate with the other Chinese English teachers for incidents. I do know that if students don't hand in their homework, Chinese teachers will remove the student's chair and make then stand for the entire day, which can be until over 5:00pm. Last week, a student placed two halves fo a ball in his shirt to make breasts, a classic. Just today, a few students looked at an English-Chinese dictionary and got fixated over the word, "castrate" and I had to stop three boys from picking up a smaller boy and proceeding to walk over to a five-story ledge.

My biggest problem in China is that I have 52 students per class, and nine different classes, so I'll never learn names.

[Elliot]

It’s not a schools place to discipline children. I wouldn’t trust most of these teachers with drilling in facts about math nevermind instilling values and respect lol

[chuff me dizzy]

I disciplined my children, my son and daughter discipline their children ,who is there to tell you can't? Its just an excuse from lazy parents who think its ok for their brats to do as they wish

[Morgan.]

It’s not a schools place to discipline children. I wouldn’t trust most of these teachers with drilling in facts about math nevermind instilling values and respect lol

What are the school meant to do then? You've got a child causing havoc, misbehaving, bullying, vandalising etc and the school do nothing, okay. But then they go home to a parent who doesnt really care what they've done and the child continues.

Whilst children are under the care and responsibility of schools, it's their job to give discipline. I'm not talking about any physical discipline like the cane, because that's absurd, but there are other ways to instil discipline.

[chuff me dizzy]

What are the school meant to do then? You've got a child causing havoc, misbehaving, bullying, vandalising etc and the school do nothing, okay. But then they go home to a parent who doesnt really care what they've done and the child continues.

Whilst children are under the care and responsibility of schools, it's their job to give discipline. I'm not talking about any physical discipline like the cane, because that's absurd, but there are other ways to instil discipline.

:clap1:

Worked in a school when all these BS rules came in ,one dinnertime 2 boys were kicking 7 bells out of each other,I went over and pulled them apart ,another member of staff came over and said "Oh dear ,did you put your hands on them ?" I said yes of course, they would have killed each other if I hadn't, she said "You can get the sack for doing that ,you have to talk them out of the fight "No way would they have stopped with me asking them to.......I left shortly after that ,I couldn't stand by and watch children hurt each other

[Niamh.]

When you say "discipline" I presume you mean hit because you are allowed discipline your kids :suspect: I find it unlikely that the only reason kids end up in gangs etc is because their parents don't hit them

[Kazanne]

Kids are totally different now than a few years back , lazy parents giving in to their kids every whim so they can go and have a fag and coffee with their mate or some peace and quiet , it has resulted in feral kids who have no respect for anything, they carry weapons , hang in gangs and bully people, and they just do not care as they know they wont be punished, I would also be happy for teachers punishing mine if they were disrespectful or naughty in school as long as they didn't hit them, kids need to know their boundries and too many today , don't.

[AnnieK]

When I was at primary school, the best teacher there had to retire when they stopped being able to use corporal punishment. She rarely did but the option was there and she ruled by fear, will seem alien now but when you were under threat of the shakermaker (she would hold you by the shoulders and shake you) you did as you were told :laugh:

I don't think schools should be able to physically discipline and as a parent I have never smacked my son BUT there is a genuine lack of respect from some kids now.....although I may just notice it more now I'm older and can the classic "in my day...." lines

[chuff me dizzy]

Kids are totally different now than a few years back , lazy parents giving in to their kids every whim so they can go and have a fag and coffee with their mate or some peace and quiet , it has resulted in feral kids who have no respect for anything, they carry weapons , hang in gangs and bully people, and they just do not care as they know they wont be punished, I would also be happy for teachers punishing mine if they were disrespectful or naughty in school as long as they didn't hit them, kids need to know their boundries and too many today , don't.

So true !! we have lots of feral kids near me, out at all hours and up to no good while the mothers are on Facebook telling everyone what great parents they are, or at their mates trying out new gins !! Discipline starts and ends at home ( or should do ) and if their brat ends up a full time thug its the parents fault and no one elses

[Vicky.]

I do think everything is a bit too soft these days. Also I have in the past been 'told off' by our health visitor for raising my voice at the kids when they were being little twats (I didn't CALL them little twats)...apparently its 'emotional abuse' and you should never raise your voice. Erm. Sorry but if I never raised my voice at mine, they would never hear me, I almost HAVE to shout at times...

Edit. Have never got wrong for grounding, naughty step etc though, helath visitor actually recommended those kinds of punishments to me. But was a bit wishy washy saying 'positive reinforcement is better than negative'..which overall I agree with but positive does not always work and sometimes we resort to fave toys being taken away for a day or whatever.

[Alf]

I was at the epicentre of the big change in schools. When I was in primary school there was corporal punishment, when I went to senior school, it was finished. I saw the difference first hand.

In primary school the teachers ruled and the kids behaved, at senior school, the kids were crazy and the teachers used to run out of class crying.

[chuff me dizzy]

I was at the epicentre of the big change in schools. When I was in primary school there was corporal punishment, when I went to senior school, it was finished. I saw the difference first hand.

In primary school the teachers ruled and the kids behaved, at senior school, the kids were crazy and the teachers used to run out of class crying.

I wouldnt be a teacher for a gold pig !

[Cherie]

I wouldnt be a teacher for a gold pig !

:joker:

You should write a book with your sayings Chuff, never heard of most of them :laugh:

[Kazanne]

:joker:

You should write a book with your sayings Chuff, never heard of most of them :laugh:

I agree,some are hilarious :laugh: never heard of this one.

[Vicky.]

Something really does need to be done like, I have no idea what but its not my job to come up with solutions. As teachers are having a horrendous time of it, especially in senior schools. Kids just do not listen, as they know they cannot be punished.

Mind, there was no corporal punishment when I was at school, and we still would not have dared go on like some today do. I think todays behaviour is a mix between knowing teachers can't really do anything AND having parents that don't care. See when I got detentions, my parents went off it with me and punished me at home too. That doesn't seem to happen these days and parents seem unconcerned about how their kids go on. Theres the 'noone should tell off my kids but me' element too. Have had issues with a parent like that in a play area, this parent was sat watching their kid BITE my daughter, she kept trying to get away and this kid was chasing her. Damn right I told him he was horrible...oddly enough then the parent decided they could say something and came to try and blast ME for telling her kid to stop assaulting my (at the time) 3 year old!

[chuff me dizzy]

I agree,some are hilarious :laugh: never heard of this one.

It must be a Yorkshire saying :joker:

[arista]

I disciplined my children, my son and daughter discipline their children ,who is there to tell you can't? Its just an excuse from lazy parents who think its ok for their brats to do as they wish


Yes you have that right Chuff,

[Niamh.]

Something really does need to be done like, I have no idea what but its not my job to come up with solutions. As teachers are having a horrendous time of it, especially in senior schools. Kids just do not listen, as they know they cannot be punished.

Mind, there was no corporal punishment when I was at school, and we still would not have dared go on like some today do. I think todays behaviour is a mix between knowing teachers can't really do anything AND having parents that don't care. See when I got detentions, my parents went off it with me and punished me at home too. That doesn't seem to happen these days and parents seem unconcerned about how their kids go on. Theres the 'noone should tell off my kids but me' element too. Have had issues with a parent like that in a play area, this parent was sat watching their kid BITE my daughter, she kept trying to get away and this kid was chasing her. Damn right I told him he was horrible...oddly enough then the parent decided they could say something and came to try and blast ME for telling her kid to stop assaulting my (at the time) 3 year old!

Yeah actually alot of the problem is also parents not backing up the teacher and taking the kids side no matter what. If you, as a kid think you can get your teacher in trouble for giving out to you then there would be no fear of repercussions in school

[Tom4784]

I dont remember anyone saying anything about violent punishment

The cane was brought up at one point.

[Denver]

The cane was brought up at one point.

I didn't take that post seriously

[Liam-]

Yeah me saying ‘being back the cane’ definitely wasn’t a serious suggestion on my part