Double standards.

[the_chosen_one]

Emily had already heard the word 'n*****' used in the Big Brother house, by Charley, before she used it.

If she gets thrown out for a word that is deemed offensive, shouldn't Charley suffer the equal punishment?

[InTheFade]

Well, I agree and a lot of people won't, but in my eyes, a word is either offensive or it's not.

[InTheFade]

Looks as though this topic as been over-discussed though...

[sunlight]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Emily had already heard the word 'n*****' used in the Big Brother house, by Charley, before she used it.

If she gets thrown out for a word that is deemed offensive, shouldn't Charley suffer the equal punishment?

what is you problem man. do you agree with what emily said. i'm not saying it's right to ever use that word but in case you didn't notice charley is black. it's a bit hard to be racist towards yourself.:bored:

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by sunlight
in case you didn't notice charley is black. it's a bit hard to be racist towards yourself.:bored:

What about any black viewers that are offended by the word? Are they not allowed to be offended because Charley is black?

[Lance]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Originally posted by sunlight
in case you didn't notice charley is black. it's a bit hard to be racist towards yourself.:bored:

What about any black viewers that are offended by the word? Are they not allowed to be offended because Charley is black?

Exactly.

She was thrown out on the grounds that she used an offensive word.

Charley also used it. Black or not, deserved the same punishment.

[easypeasy]

when a white person says that word they are either stupidly ignorent or just plain racist, when a black person says it its either a greeting or stupidly ignorent.

[Bells]

Didn't Charley say it after having been prompted by Emily first though?

[sunlight]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Originally posted by sunlight
in case you didn't notice charley is black. it's a bit hard to be racist towards yourself.:bored:

What about any black viewers that are offended by the word? Are they not allowed to be offended because Charley is black?

of course we are. i am offended by anyone using that word but my point is as a white person emily should have know that people would say her comments were racist. she must have heard of the shilpa shetty thing. and let's not forget shabaz used to call himself the p word all the time. nobody said anything than.

[Shaun]

It's ridiculous how it's percieved that black people [and I'm sorry if that term is offensive, but I don't want to sound patronising with all these silly PC terms] can use the word jokingly towards each other, yet if a white person says it, there's huge backlash.

I personally hate Charley, and would prefer she was thrown out anyway :tongue: but if she did say that, then it's not fair at all that only Emily is punished in this way.

[Ruth*Star]

I thought emily said it causing Charley to say it, but they both said it.

[the_chosen_one]

Emily said it in the secure knowledge that the word had already been used in the house.

[sunlight]

Originally posted by bugsy2301
It's ridiculous how it's percieved that black people [and I'm sorry if that term is offensive, but I don't want to sound patronising with all these silly PC terms] can use the word jokingly towards each other, yet if a white person says it, there's huge backlash.

I personally hate Charley, and would prefer she was thrown out anyway :tongue: but if she did say that, then it's not fair at all that only Emily is punished in this way.

how is calling someone a black person offensive people have lost the plot. would you have stuck up for her if she had said that word to an asian person. i've always thought it and theses comments have proved me right if shilpa had been black noone would have cared.

[Emilee]

I do think if it had been said by a black person or not the word is offensive to the viewers watching. they both should have suffered. but i thinkanother punnishment would be susficient.

[Shaun]

Originally posted by sunlight
Originally posted by bugsy2301
It's ridiculous how it's percieved that black people [and I'm sorry if that term is offensive, but I don't want to sound patronising with all these silly PC terms] can use the word jokingly towards each other, yet if a white person says it, there's huge backlash.

I personally hate Charley, and would prefer she was thrown out anyway :tongue: but if she did say that, then it's not fair at all that only Emily is punished in this way.

how is calling someone a black person offensive people have lost the plot. would you have stuck up for her if she had said that word to an asian person. i've always thought it and theses comments have proved me right if shilpa had been black noone would have cared.

Do Asians go around calling each other p**is, or [Shilpa] Poppadom? Do they joke about each other living in slums and tell each other to "go home"? No, the Shilpa case was different, there were 3/4 people bullying her, who disliked her for other reasons but used racist and offensive terms towards her.

I'm only saying that it's unfair that it's OK for black people to call each other n****r, but if a white person says it, there's frenzy. There's no need for it.

And I'm not sticking up for Emily, I just think it's unfair that she'll now live with this for the rest of her life. What she said was stupid and also unnecessary.

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Emily said it in the secure knowledge that the word had already been used in the house. which doesnt make it more acceptable in real world.......shes just a stupid upper class tart trying to be street....sad.

[sunlight]

Originally posted by bugsy2301
Originally posted by sunlight
Originally posted by bugsy2301
It's ridiculous how it's percieved that black people [and I'm sorry if that term is offensive, but I don't want to sound patronising with all these silly PC terms] can use the word jokingly towards each other, yet if a white person says it, there's huge backlash.

I personally hate Charley, and would prefer she was thrown out anyway :tongue: but if she did say that, then it's not fair at all that only Emily is punished in this way.

how is calling someone a black person offensive people have lost the plot. would you have stuck up for her if she had said that word to an asian person. i've always thought it and theses comments have proved me right if shilpa had been black noone would have cared.

Do Asians go around calling each other p**is, or [Shilpa] Poppadom? Do they joke about each other living in slums and tell each other to "go home"? No, the Shilpa case was different, there were 3/4 people bullying her, who disliked her for other reasons but used racist and offensive terms towards her.

I'm only saying that it's unfair that it's OK for black people to call each other n****r, but if a white person says it, there's frenzy. There's no need for it.

And I'm not sticking up for Emily, I just think it's unfair that she'll now live with this for the rest of her life. What she said was stupid and also unnecessary.

some asian people do call each other p*** i know that for a fact been half asian half black. and as i said before most black people never use that word. or are rappers the only black people that matter.

[Lil-Lindz]

I know its double standards but just emily should have been thrown out
the use of the word ****** is normally used by white people to be racist towards black people, so charley using it was clearly not meant to be racist

[Rory]

It's either both or neither. If it's a racially offensive word, then nobody should use it. Even the race that it's talking about.

And I'm laughing at the "celebrity treatment" Jack, Jade, Danielle, and Jo got. Their bullying and racial comments amounted to dozens, while this one incident got her removed from the house.

[Tanser_Man]

I think they should have both been given a stern telling off, behind the BB cameras and left it there.

Now there’s a media circus waiting to devourer any housemate who even comes close to a racial statement, which is only bad for the show.

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by easypeasy
Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Emily said it in the secure knowledge that the word had already been used in the house. which doesnt make it more acceptable in real world.......shes just a stupid upper class tart trying to be street....sad.

What you call 'sad' still doesn't mean it's morally unacceptable. You're right, the word isn't acceptable for white people in this real world, but that's because ignorance is rife in this real world, and the sooner the boundaries are broken down for these ridiculous double standards, this real world, will be a better world.

[Tanser_Man]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Originally posted by easypeasy
Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Emily said it in the secure knowledge that the word had already been used in the house. which doesnt make it more acceptable in real world.......shes just a stupid upper class tart trying to be street....sad.

What you call 'sad' still doesn't mean it's morally unacceptable. You're right, the word isn't acceptable for white people in this real world, but that's because ignorance is rife in this real world, and the sooner the boundaries are broken down for these ridiculous double standards, this real world, will be a better world.

If you take into account that she uses this word with her black friends, you can understand more why she seen it acceptable and seemed comfortable saying it in front of Charley and the BB audience.

If anything it is naivety, not the endless list of derogatory terms people are using against her.

[Mojina]

Charley, is black. End of. You're free to degrade yourself anyway you please and she will too. But degrading others is another.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Mojina
Charley, is black. End of. You're free to degrade yourself anyway you please and she will too. But degrading others is another.

:thumbs:

[sol]

Originally posted by Jaz0
Well, I agree and a lot of people won't, but in my eyes, a word is either offensive or it's not.

Agreed, we either have true equality or no equality at all. You can't allow one person to use a word and then disallow another person to use the exact same word.
In my eyes that is discrimination which goes against the whole point of getting rid of Emily. Either get rid of Emily and Charley or neither of them.

[BigBrotherFan..*]

I think that both should of got punished i like emily but that was bad what she said even though i dont think she ment it in a racist way. just becuase charley is black she doesnt get punished its stupid ?

[easypeasy]

I think the words meaning has been altered in certain circles, just cos someone is black it doesnt mean they deserve to be called that word, but the word is now intended to mean the type that will stab/shoot/smoke crack etc.
Its hard to avoid the word sometimes in music and videos, I'm sure the word has slipped out of my mouth when rapping along to "straight outta compton" and one time my black mate Mike told me off for it, that made me consider the words real meaning and the offence it can cause.
Ive got too much respect for black people to use the word but its not easy.....
this is easy.....
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/7600/easyemb8.jpg

[the_chosen_one]

Easy E can eat a big....

[Foebane100]

They should have made them hold a compulsory group discussion on the use of the word and what they thought about how and where it was used, though I can see some risk involved in this. Instead of this heavy-handed approach that is obviously wrong.

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Easy E can eat a big.... lmao.....oh gawd your kicking off another rap feud.
R.I.P Easy-E. :thumbs:

[sunlight]

why do some people make out that been kicked out of the house is death sentence. people need to respect every race and realise there are some things you can't say. by the way has some of you watched the show where emily makes the remark because you lot seem to be sticking up for emily before it's aired.:conf: and before i go why do some people want to use the 'n ' word so badly anyway i'd be happy never to hear it again.

[Foebane100]

I'd be glad to have it put away in it's little history box too, but this will not happen as long as people perpetuate it and think they can use it and others can’t. Imagine a white person saying N to some of the rappers that use the N word all the time to their face, so much trouble would kick off.

[easypeasy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otL6FvpALQg

[Foebane100]

She has been a silly little girl who isn't as clever as she thinks she is. It was a foolish thing to do, but were the HMs specifically warned about this issue before they entered.

[Gap]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Emily had already heard the word 'n*****' used in the Big Brother house, by Charley, before she used it.

If she gets thrown out for a word that is deemed offensive, shouldn't Charley suffer the equal punishment?
No, because Emily directed it at someone and Charley's black anyway so she can hardly be racist about her own colour.

[Foebane100]

If the word is so offensive why are they going to show it since they are saying it will cause offence to the watchers?

[easypeasy]

Originally posted by Foebane100
If the word is so offensive why are they going to show it since they are saying it will cause offence to the watchers? high viewing figures........:thumbs2:

[ShadowEye]

Originally posted by Gap
Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Emily had already heard the word 'n*****' used in the Big Brother house, by Charley, before she used it.

If she gets thrown out for a word that is deemed offensive, shouldn't Charley suffer the equal punishment?
No, because Emily directed it at someone and Charley's black anyway so she can hardly be racist about her own colour.

You've missed the point. Emily was taken out because the of the word she used, not the context she used it in. Charley used the same word a week ago, and therefore, for the sake of equality, the context should be classed as irrelevant also. Ergo, Emily's punishment should have been shared with Charley.

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by easypeasy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otL6FvpALQg

:thumbs:

[Gap]

Originally posted by ShadowEye
Originally posted by Gap
Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Emily had already heard the word 'n*****' used in the Big Brother house, by Charley, before she used it.

If she gets thrown out for a word that is deemed offensive, shouldn't Charley suffer the equal punishment?
No, because Emily directed it at someone and Charley's black anyway so she can hardly be racist about her own colour.

You've missed the point. Emily was taken out because the of the word she used, not the context she used it in. Charley used the same word a week ago, and therefore, for the sake of equality, the context should be classed as irrelevant also. Ergo, Emily's punishment should have been shared with Charley.
Ok, I see.

[sunlight]

i am shocked how little respect some people on here have for black people whenever the 'n' word is used they use american rappers as an example. this is britan not america that word is not used by black people in this country often.

[Gap]

Originally posted by sunlight
i am shocked how little respect some people on here have for black people whenever the 'n' word is used they use american rappers as an example. this is britan not america that word is not used by black people in this country often.
I know exactly what you mean, people need to show more respect for them. I don't care what should have happenned and not what, the main thing is the whole thing's been dealt with proffessionally before mahem breaks out.

Can you think of any particular examples?

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by sunlight
i am shocked how little respect some people on here have for black people whenever the 'n' word is used they use american rappers as an example. this is britan not america that word is not used by black people in this country often.

The records you're talking about are sold all over this country. Available to everyone from most record shops. If it's so wrong, it shouldnt be on sale.

[sunlight]

Originally posted by the_chosen_one
Originally posted by sunlight
i am shocked how little respect some people on here have for black people whenever the 'n' word is used they use american rappers as an example. this is britan not america that word is not used by black people in this country often.

The records you're talking about are sold all over this country. Available to everyone from most record shops. If it's so wrong, it shouldnt be on sale.

so your blaming every black person for what a small amount of black people do in america, i should accept been called a n**** than. ok now i get it.:thumbs:

[ttw]

There is a difference between Emily using the word, and Charley using the word.

Whether the word ****** is acceptable when being used by/among black people is a different debate.

[ttw]

Originally posted by sunlight
i am shocked how little respect some people on here have for black people whenever the 'n' word is used they use american rappers as an example. this is britan not america that word is not used by black people in this country often.

uh yeh, it is.

[DavinaRocks]

But didn't Charley call herself the n word?

[ttw]

Originally posted by DavinaRocks
But didn't Charley call herself the n word?

and this means what?

she hates herself?

[Lil-Lindz]

whether it was double standards or not doesn't really matter, the important thing is that the way it was handled was appropiate considering the recent events in january
and how can a black person be racist by saying N*****, it just doesnt make sense, allthough i do understant how some people feel that it is double standards

[sunlight]

Originally posted by ttw
Originally posted by sunlight
i am shocked how little respect some people on here have for black people whenever the 'n' word is used they use american rappers as an example. this is britan not america that word is not used by black people in this country often.

uh yeh, it is.

are you black. well iam half black/asian and i don't hear black people use that word much. anyway why as this turned into a 'diss black people' thread.

[ttw]

Originally posted by sunlight
Originally posted by ttw
Originally posted by sunlight
i am shocked how little respect some people on here have for black people whenever the 'n' word is used they use american rappers as an example. this is britan not america that word is not used by black people in this country often.

uh yeh, it is.

are you black. well iam half black/asian and i don't hear black people use that word much. anyway why as this turned into a 'diss black people' thread.

im half black, where do u live?
i live in london and hear it all the time, when i was in school when i was in college, when i go 2 clubs, in social situations, british rappers also use it (not just american ones) ever watch channel u?

Believe me, it is used, alot.

[the_chosen_one]

Originally posted by sunlight
anyway why as this turned into a 'diss black people' thread.

I just wish I could understand how you came to that conclusion.

[DavinaRocks]

I'm sure if Charley would've called another housemate the n word she too would've been kicked out.

[InTheHood]

As a black man, I can't say what Emily said offended me as such, on the mere basis that she is uneducated and din't have a clue what she was talking about.

I'd rather not hear it, but she genuinely was so thick...

The thing that gets me more, is the women trying to get Ziggy's towel off. If a bunch of men done that to a woman, trouble would be ahead.

Also, Charley taking the pee out of Chanelle's voice....how is that now discriminatory? It happened in CBB and was picked up when Jade/Jo did it etc.

It's just BB's chance to put things right (if possible) after CBB.

[bringbackscience]

Originally posted by InTheHood

Also, Charley taking the pee out of Chanelle's voice.



Yeah, shame Charley didnt realise her skanky accent doesnt even compare to the heavenly accent God gave to all the people of his county.... YORKSHIRE!

[InTheHood]

Originally posted by bringbackscience

Yeah, shame Charley didnt realise her skanky accent doesnt even compare to the heavenly accent God gave to all the people of his county.... YORKSHIRE!

:joker:

Geoff Boycott :thumbs2:

Not that i'm a Yorkshireman :laugh:

[Lance]

Heya, ITH :wavey:

Good to see you back!

[bringbackscience]

Originally posted by InTheHood

Not that i'm a Yorkshireman :laugh:

Oh, I am sorry about that but I suppose everybody couldn't be privileged :tongue:

[InTheHood]

Originally posted by Lance
Heya, ITH :wavey:

Good to see you back!

Hi Lance :wavey:

I think i'm about to upset one or two :yuk:

Hope you are well :dance2:

[InTheHood]

Originally posted by bringbackscience

Oh, I am sorry about that but I suppose everybody couldn't be privileged :tongue:

Oh i'm priveliged, just in other areas :laugh3:

[bringbackscience]

Originally posted by InTheHood
Originally posted by bringbackscience

Oh, I am sorry about that but I suppose everybody couldn't be privileged :tongue:

Oh i'm priveliged, just in other areas :laugh3:

:spin:

[Turrican]

i'm sick of hearing people say "rappers use it, so it's OK!!!" That is the worst possible arguement ever. If we all lived by the rules of "rap music" there would be no-one alive - they'd all be shot dead after being called a "biatch a$$ N*****" for being in the wrong "hood".

Rap music is not an excuse to use racism.

[Captain.Remy]

Message original : Turrican
i'm sick of hearing people say "rappers use it, so it's OK!!!" That is the worst possible arguement ever. If we all lived by the rules of "rap music" there would be no-one alive - they'd all be shot dead after being called a "biatch a$$ N*****" for being in the wrong "hood".

Rap music is not an excuse to use racism.

Agree, her argument was terrible, she used that word, even if she heard it in rap music, that's not an excuse to say that.

[Bells]

There's a difference between calling yourself one when you are one, and someone else who's only known you 5 days or so saying it. Charley was clearly affected by it, even if not affected, she was shocked - otherwise she wouldn't keep bringing it up. I'd say it would have been double standards if another black HM had said it to Charley, and then Emily, and then only the one was punished.

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Turrican
i'm sick of hearing people say "rappers use it, so it's OK!!!" That is the worst possible arguement ever. If we all lived by the rules of "rap music" there would be no-one alive - they'd all be shot dead after being called a "biatch a$$ N*****" for being in the wrong "hood".

Rap music is not an excuse to use racism.


When will people ever understand. A word in itself is not racist. It is the intent in which a word is used that makes a word racist........

There wa an excellent oldie fim which is now no longer shown exept modern inferior versions....That film was titled

Ten little ****** boys. A very good who dun it thriller for its day... Was the author intending offence by the use of the word.......was the film racial...Of course not. It is the intent that matters.

Like sex racism can exist just n the mind and people will see it because thats the emotion they want to see in order to convince themselves what goody goody people they are........

Some of those same people on the forums in general (note I am not targeting any individual here with this comment) will be quite happy to refer to female contestants as slags or sluts without regard to hurting family and friends of such contestants.

When it comes to offensive words and the use of people need to put their own house in order first.......

[sunlight]

Originally posted by InTheHood
As a black man, I can't say what Emily said offended me as such, on the mere basis that she is uneducated and din't have a clue what she was talking about.

I'd rather not hear it, but she genuinely was so thick...

The thing that gets me more, is the women trying to get Ziggy's towel off. If a bunch of men done that to a woman, trouble would be ahead.

Also, Charley taking the pee out of Chanelle's voice....how is that now discriminatory? It happened in CBB and was picked up when Jade/Jo did it etc.

It's just BB's chance to put things right (if possible) after CBB.

your a black man. mmmmmmmmm. anyway when did you ever hear of someone been killed by another british person because of an british accent. people are attacked and killed everyday around the world because of the colour of their skin. and the reason why people made a fuss over jade and co making fun of shilpa's accent was because she had only just came from india and it could be seen as racist. as far as i know chanelle and charley are both british. and before i go ash from bb 7 used to make fun of black accents all the time nothing was said than. and in bb 6 anthony used to call derek (a black man) malteaser head.

[Fom]

Originally posted by sunlight
i am shocked how little respect some people on here have for black people whenever the 'n' word is used they use american rappers as an example. this is britan not america that word is not used by black people in this country often.

im shockd at the lack of respect too white ppl.
bb's choice was racist, no question about it.

[lily.]

Originally posted by Lance
She was thrown out on the grounds that she used an offensive word.

Charley also used it. Black or not, deserved the same punishment.

I agree. I said the same thing when I was watching the show last night. None of the HMs should be able to say it in my opinion. It's a word I have never and would never use.

[sunlight]

Originally posted by Fom
Originally posted by sunlight
i am shocked how little respect some people on here have for black people whenever the 'n' word is used they use american rappers as an example. this is britan not america that word is not used by black people in this country often.

Im shockd at the lack of respect too white people.
bb's choice was racist, no question about it.

sitting down in the garden chatting charley says something and emily says push it out you n****. aimed at charley. i give up if you don't see the wrong in that than race relations needs to be taught in schools. ps please stop blaming charley for emily's actions it's just stupid.

[Turrican]

Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Turrican
i'm sick of hearing people say "rappers use it, so it's OK!!!" That is the worst possible arguement ever. If we all lived by the rules of "rap music" there would be no-one alive - they'd all be shot dead after being called a "biatch a$$ N*****" for being in the wrong "hood".

Rap music is not an excuse to use racism.


When will people ever understand. A word in itself is not racist. It is the intent in which a word is used that makes a word racist........

There wa an excellent oldie fim which is now no longer shown exept modern inferior versions....That film was titled

Ten little ****** boys. A very good who dun it thriller for its day... Was the author intending offence by the use of the word.......was the film racial...Of course not. It is the intent that matters.

Like sex racism can exist just n the mind and people will see it because thats the emotion they want to see in order to convince themselves what goody goody people they are........

Some of those same people on the forums in general (note I am not targeting any individual here with this comment) will be quite happy to refer to female contestants as slags or sluts without regard to hurting family and friends of such contestants.

When it comes to offensive words and the use of people need to put their own house in order first.......

You're wrong. A word in itself can be racist. The N word is used to describe black people in a degrading and humiliating way - refering to how they were SLAVES FOR WHITE PEOPLE.

Clearly this is not a nice word, in whatever context.

[Fom]

its an offensive word, yes.
but black ppl cant use it aswell.
its not a black only word, they cant use it either.

[stella]

Do Asians go around calling each other p**is, or [Shilpa] Poppadom? Do they joke about each other living in slums and tell each other to "go home"? No, the Shilpa case was different, there were 3/4 people bullying her, who disliked her for other reasons but used racist and offensive terms towards her.

I'm only saying that it's unfair that it's OK for black people to call each other n****r, but if a white person says it, there's frenzy. There's no need for it.

And I'm not sticking up for Emily, I just think it's unfair that she'll now live with this for the rest of her life. What she said was stupid and also unnecessary.

Yes asians do call each other and themselfs ****'s ive seen it on a bebo website some girl calling herself a pakiprincess amongst others doing the same

[Bells]

A lot of Asians who call themselves terms like that do it to ease the pain and humiliation they feel when a person of a difference race calls them it. And they say it amongst themselves in a way so that it's almost ridiculing people who call them it; making themselves feel comfortable when they're together, in other words. It does not mean they like the term. Well, normal ones don't.

So I don't understand why anyone should say it to them and make them feel hurt/confused in the first place. Most of the Asian teenagers you'll see these days suffer from personality complexes - they're confused, so they try and put on a sort of 'hard' image so they don't get picked on, and act like it doesn't bother them... and it's developed. I know that for a fact.

People should think very carefully before they speak for others.

[sunlight]

Originally posted by Fom
its an offensive word, yes.
but black people cant use it aswell.
its not a black only word, they cant use it either.

why do u keep saying black people can't use it either. most black people who use it are rappers or black americans i'm not a rapper or an american don't blame me or other black people for their actions. i wouldn't say all white people are racists so don't make it a blame black people thread. emily did the wrong not us. or even you so stop sticking up for someone who doesn't deserve it.

[sunlight]

Originally posted by Ash
A lot of Asians who call themselves terms like that do it to ease the pain and humiliation they feel when a person of a difference race calls them it. And they say it amongst themselves in a way so that it's almost ridiculing people who call them it; making themselves feel comfortable when they're together, in other words. It does not mean they like the term. Well, normal ones don't.

So I don't understand why anyone should say it to them and make them feel hurt/confused in the first place. Most of the Asian teenagers you'll see these days suffer from personality complexes - they're confused, so they try and put on a sort of 'hard' image so they don't get picked on, and act like it doesn't bother them... and it's developed. I know that for a fact.

People should think very carefully before they speak for others.

i agree that's the reason some black people use it as well. been half asian half black i know why some asian and black people use them words about themselfs even though i strongly disagree with it.

[Bells]

Exactly, and I only feel people who wish to try and put themselves in those shoes can fully understand that. I'd like people who have made comments such as 'just leave' to respond to my previous post.


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A lot of Asians who call themselves terms like that do it to ease the pain and humiliation they feel when a person of a difference race calls them it. And they say it amongst themselves in a way so that it's almost ridiculing people who call them it; making themselves feel comfortable when they're together, in other words. It does not mean they like the term. Well, normal ones don't.

So I don't understand why anyone should say it to them and make them feel hurt/confused in the first place. Most of the Asian teenagers you'll see these days suffer from personality complexes - they're confused, so they try and put on a sort of 'hard' image so they don't get picked on, and act like it doesn't bother them... and it's developed. I know that for a fact.

People should think very carefully before they speak for others.

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Originally posted by bananarama
Originally posted by Turrican
i'm sick of hearing people say "rappers use it, so it's OK!!!" That is the worst possible arguement ever. If we all lived by the rules of "rap music" there would be no-one alive - they'd all be shot dead after being called a "biatch a$$ N*****" for being in the wrong "hood".

Rap music is not an excuse to use racism.


When will people ever understand. A word in itself is not racist. It is the intent in which a word is used that makes a word racist........

There wa an excellent oldie fim which is now no longer shown exept modern inferior versions....That film was titled

Ten little ****** boys. A very good who dun it thriller for its day... Was the author intending offence by the use of the word.......was the film racial...Of course not. It is the intent that matters.

Like sex racism can exist just n the mind and people will see it because thats the emotion they want to see in order to convince themselves what goody goody people they are........

Some of those same people on the forums in general (note I am not targeting any individual here with this comment) will be quite happy to refer to female contestants as slags or sluts without regard to hurting family and friends of such contestants.

When it comes to offensive words and the use of people need to put their own house in order first.......

I don't think most people actually believe Emily is racist (although a few supposed victims of her alleged racial abuse are now coming out of the woodwork, apparently), I think most people think she's stupid/naive/inconsiderate and can you really deny that she is all of those things? The word is a big no-no, regardless of the intent in which it's used and unless you're stuck in some sort of time-warp, it should never be acceptable...