Using the 'N' word.

[MarkWaldorf]

Emily got kicked out today for using this word. Do you think it was a strong/offensive enough word to be kicked out for?

In my opinion, it wasn't. In my school, people are using this word a lot, they even call each other it, and it's black people as well as white people a lot of the time. I don't use this word, and I won't chose too either. Nothing's done about it here. Maybe it's just me, but I don't feel as if it was as rude, or any less rude than the racism thing from CBB.

Don't take this seriously, this thread isn't meant in an offensive way. I'm just curious as to peoples thoughts on it.

[Bells]

There's a bit of a difference when it comes to saying it on national telly though. :thumbs:
And since I've debated this to death, that's all I'm going to say on the matter at the moment.

[MarkWaldorf]

Well when you're in there, people have said they forget their on TV, or being filmed. It just becomes your own little world.

[GiRTh]

I explained it all on another thread. Let me repost it here.

[MarkWaldorf]

Well I think this is a serious debate, using the N world in any circumstance doesn't relate to Emily.

[GiRTh]

Here it is:


How many times do i have to answer this one?

First of all, I have to point out that I'm of Jamaican ancestry. Now, this word was a word that I grew up hearing over and over again. No one uses this word like my mother. Trust me.

The whole point is that - when black people use this word we know what we are saying. When a white person uses this word we don't know what they're trying to say. So my advise to white people is to avoid using this word in the presence of a black person because we don't know what you're trying to say by using this word. It's double standard, I know, but it's like telling racist jokes. Jewish people can tell Jewish Jokes, black people an tell black joke. Basically, if you're not one then avoid anything that could be construed as racist.

[Bells]

Originally posted by MarkChap?!
Well when you're in there, people have said they forget their on TV, or being filmed. It just becomes your own little world.

You've got to be a bit more aware than that. I'd be extremely offended if anyone ever said that to me. It depends on the person, and the context. In Emily's one, she hardly known Charley - so coming out with that is hardly the best idea, considering lots of people will be watching. I don't think she's racist myself, just extremely ignorant and stupid, and not half as intelligent as I thought she was. I applauded Carole for saying, 'Well travelling the world means nothing, if you've learnt nothing'. Which she clearly hadn't.

[MarkWaldorf]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Here it is:


How many times do i have to answer this one?

First of all, I have to point out that I'm of Jamaican ancestry. Now, this word was a word that I grew up hearing over and over again. No one uses this word like my mother. Trust me.

The whole point is that - when black people use this word we know what we are saying. When a white person uses this word we don't know what they're trying to say. So my advise to white people is to avoid using this word in the presence of a black person because we don't know what you're trying to say by using this word. It's double standard, I know, but it's like telling racist jokes. Jewish people can tell Jewish Jokes, black people an tell black joke. Basically, if you're not one then avoid anything that could be construed as racist.

See I agree with that. If I, or another white person called let's a say a black person that in my school, we'd basically be branded a racist, and a be killed. But I'm seeing black people, call over black people that word, yet it's nothing. Maybe it's just a cultural thing. I'm guessing it's used a lot in African/Jamaican countries. To me it's just all stupid.

[Bells]

It's because it's not said between different races, but kept within a certain race/ethnic minority. I understand that it's complex and difficult to grasp, but that's the way it is, and to brand it as double standards now is not going to get anyone anywhere.

[MarkWaldorf]

But the word was used back in the early 20th century by white people, as an offensive word, which they use to brand the black people.

Personally, that's why I see it as wrong for different cultures to call each other that word.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by MarkChap?!


See I agree with that. If I, or another white person called let's a say a black person that in my school, we'd basically be branded a racist, and a be killed. But I'm seeing black people, call over black people that word, yet it's nothing. Maybe it's just a cultural thing. I'm guessing it's used a lot in African/Jamaican countries. To me it's just all stupid. It's a double standard. True. It's like if one black man calls another one the n word he is basically calling him a fool or stupid but when a white person uses the word we dobn't know what he is saying.

[Bells]

Yeah, I know what you mean Mark. Of course it used to be extremely offensive to begin with; it still is depending on the context and person, but then as racial tolerance increased, this is how the word was both adopted and adapted. As I mentioned before, it's complex to get your head around but kept within a certain race/ethnic minority is different to throwing the words about to anyone and everyone. I don't think it should be right in any context either - I never say it - but people generally need to be careful before they speak.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Here it is:


How many times do i have to answer this one?

First of all, I have to point out that I'm of Jamaican ancestry. Now, this word was a word that I grew up hearing over and over again. No one uses this word like my mother. Trust me.

The whole point is that - when black people use this word we know what we are saying. When a white person uses this word we don't know what they're trying to say. So my advise to white people is to avoid using this word in the presence of a black person because we don't know what you're trying to say by using this word. It's double standard, I know, but it's like telling racist jokes. Jewish people can tell Jewish Jokes, black people an tell black joke. Basically, if you're not one then avoid anything that could be construed as racist.

Wonderfully explained G - it highlights that we all need to be more culturally aware. Does it mean that Emilys words were lacking in awareness or were they racist? I think they were ignorant thats for sure, I would never assume to call a black person that!

[ttw]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Here it is:


How many times do i have to answer this one?

First of all, I have to point out that I'm of Jamaican ancestry. Now, this word was a word that I grew up hearing over and over again. No one uses this word like my mother. Trust me.

The whole point is that - when black people use this word we know what we are saying. When a white person uses this word we don't know what they're trying to say. So my advise to white people is to avoid using this word in the presence of a black person because we don't know what you're trying to say by using this word. It's double standard, I know, but it's like telling racist jokes. Jewish people can tell Jewish Jokes, black people an tell black joke. Basically, if you're not one then avoid anything that could be construed as racist.

Agreed.

[Sticks]

There was also the case of a mayoral aid who was forced to resign for using a word that starts with the same four letters as the N word, but meant stingy or mean and had been around since the 1300s. Due to forum rules I can not say what this word is, because it sounds like the N word

Widening this up, there is also the issue of other words or phrases, which now become unacceptable because people believe they have racist roots, even though some of these beliefs are plain wrong. Because people believe them, that is enough to ban them.

Here is a brief list, and if anyone is offended I will edit them out.

Picnic - Believed to refer to lynching parties in the American deep south, although this is not true.

A good egg, originally meaning that the person was a good person, but it is now banned because the expression "Egg and Spoon" is believed to be cockney rhyming slang for another racially offensive word

Nitty Gritty - Believed by some to refer to the detritus left behind at the bottom of slave ships. Incidentally one minister got condemned for using this expression (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1988681.stm)

[Psylocke]

Everytime this word is used jokingly or flippantly,It gives the real racists more fuel to use it with hateful intent.

Disgusting word that shouldnt be used in ANY context.

[nodisharmony]

Emily was thrown out of the BB house, because she used the "N" word. If this word wasn't considered as being very offensive by Endemol's editing team, then she would still be in the BB house.

So, it all comes down to that really.

Every other part is irrelevant.






nodisharmony :angel:

[Psylocke]

Can you imagine the damage that would be caused if she were left in.

BB would certainly get thousands of complaints and taken off air.

the general public who have atleast 2 brain cells find this word offensive.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Can you imagine the damage that would be caused if she were left in.

BB would certainly get thousands of complaints and taken off air.

the general public who have atleast 2 brain cells find this word offensive.

Endemol had no choice.

Whether it was the "N" word or even something much less.

This is fact.






nodisharmony :angel:

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Can you imagine the damage that would be caused if she were left in.

BB would certainly get thousands of complaints and taken off air.

the general public who have atleast 2 brain cells find this word offensive.

They had no choice.... this word is one of the most rascist words in the english lanuage.

There would have been upraw if she was left in.

No I dont believe this was said as a rascist comment BUT due to the fact that many many people would find this offensive would lead to thousands of complaints

[Sticks]

But this was not on the live feed, and two of the HM's dealt with it.

A warning and this would not have happened again, Nobody outside would have been any wiser, and an unpleasant word would not be being banded about by the media

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Sticks
But this was not on the live feed, and two of the HM's dealt with it.

A warning and this would not have happened again, Nobody outside would have been any wiser, and an unpleasant word would not be being banded about by the media


What if there was a leak:puzzled:

What if Endemol's group of editors are being watched by a third party.:puzzled:

A limerick was edited out last time. Knock, Knock, Hint, Hint.

I think they are being watched by someone. Sounds plausable.







nodisharmony :angel:

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Originally posted by Sticks
But this was not on the live feed, and two of the HM's dealt with it.

A warning and this would not have happened again, Nobody outside would have been any wiser, and an unpleasant word would not be being banded about by the media


What if there was a leak:puzzled:

What if Endemol's group of editors are being watched by a third party.:puzzled:

A limerick was edited out last time. Knock, Knock, Hint, Hint.

I think they are being watched by someone. Sounds plausable.







nodisharmony :angel:


^^^yep

[SiMoN!]

Originally posted by GiRTh
Here it is:


How many times do i have to answer this one?

First of all, I have to point out that I'm of Jamaican ancestry. Now, this word was a word that I grew up hearing over and over again. No one uses this word like my mother. Trust me.

The whole point is that - when black people use this word we know what we are saying. When a white person uses this word we don't know what they're trying to say. So my advise to white people is to avoid using this word in the presence of a black person because we don't know what you're trying to say by using this word. It's double standard, I know, but it's like telling racist jokes. Jewish people can tell Jewish Jokes, black people an tell black joke. Basically, if you're not one then avoid anything that could be construed as racist.

sorry but i dont agree with that 1 bit

that like saying justjoke with people the same as you - its not about if your black or white - it about the people who your are jokeing with - and if you no if they will take it as a joke

[JuicyLucy]

What term would we use? I'm just asking a serious question now. Is it ok that I get called "white" can we use the term black without coming across as racist?

[lily.]

I wouldn't use the word. And although I understand the argument about black people using it amongst other black people or Jewish people telling Jewish jokes etc. ... this is different. I'm Scottish and I tell Scottish jokes. My husband is Catholic and he tells catholic jokes. This is a fact of life.

However, on the TV, some things are not acceptable. For that matter, in everyday life things aren't acceptable. For example.. In a workplace, I might call my co-worker a bitch when I'm talking to her like if she got tickets for a gig I wanted to go to, I would be like.. "you lucky bitch". However I wouldn't dream of using that word to talk to a customer. It's about knowing when certain language is appropriate. Charley and Emily only met a week ago. She does not know her well enough to use that word, nor should she use it when she is on the TV. I don't buy this "we forget about the cameras" crap. No they don't. They just don't stop and think. Unfortunately for Emily, she didn't stop and think. She just said the word and now she's paying the price.

[ttw]

Originally posted by JuicyLucy
What term would we use? I'm just asking a serious question now. Is it ok that I get called "white" can we use the term black without coming across as racist?

yes you can call a black person black bcos they are black but just dont call them a ******. not that hard.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Sticks
There was also the case of a mayoral aid who was forced to resign for using a word that starts with the same four letters as the N word, but meant stingy or mean and had been around since the 1300s. Due to forum rules I can not say what this word is, because it sounds like the N word

Widening this up, there is also the issue of other words or phrases, which now become unacceptable because people believe they have racist roots, even though some of these beliefs are plain wrong. Because people believe them, that is enough to ban them.

Here is a brief list, and if anyone is offended I will edit them out.

Picnic - Believed to refer to lynching parties in the American deep south, although this is not true.

A good egg, originally meaning that the person was a good person, but it is now banned because the expression "Egg and Spoon" is believed to be cockney rhyming slang for another racially offensive word

Nitty Gritty - Believed by some to refer to the detritus left behind at the bottom of slave ships. Incidentally one minister got condemned for using this expression (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1988681.stm) I heard about this. HE user the word niggered and he used it in the correct context.

[Sticks]

But he was still forced to resign because it sounded like the N word

[Slartibartfast]

He used the word *****rd or *****rdly (not sure which exactly) and used it in the correct context when talking about financial stuff. He was later offered his job back when the whole issue was resolved:

On January 15, 1999, David Howard, a white aide to Anthony A. Williams, the black mayor of Washington, D.C., United States, used the word in reference to a budget. This apparently upset one of his black colleagues (identified by Howard as Marshall Brown), who incorrectly interpreted it as a racial slur and lodged a complaint. As a result, on January 25 Howard tendered his resignation, and Williams accepted it.[1]

However, after pressure from the gay community (of which Howard was a member) and black leaders, an internal review into the matter was brought about, and the mayor offered Howard the chance to return to his position as Office of the Public Advocate on February 4. Howard refused but accepted another position with the mayor instead, insisting that he did not feel victimized by the incident. On the contrary, Howard felt that he had learned from the situation. "I used to think it would be great if we could all be colorblind. That's naive, especially for a white person, because a white person can't afford to be colorblind. They don't have to think about race every day. An African American does."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*****rdly

[Sticks]

This is now another word on the banned list - after reading through the other case histories in that wiki

[Sticks]

Funnily enough the following came as part of a newsletter sent to our church email account



The Power Of A Word
A careless word may
kindle strife; a cruel word may
wreck a life; a bitter word may
hate instill; a brutal word may
smite and kill; a gracious word
may smoothe the way; a joyous
word may light the way;
a timely word may heal and
bless. The power of the spoken
word cannot be calculated.
No wonder that our
Lord said, “Every idle word
that men shall speak, they
shall give account thereof in
the day of judgment. For by
thy words they shalt be justified,
and by thy words thy
shalt be condemned.”
Matthew 12:36-37
Unknown

[m.r.davies]

there was a case in a school recently

the white kid had mostly black friends who called each of ******* all day long,
when the white kid called one of his friends a ****** (all friendly), he got turned on
at first he didn't know what had happened then the parents, school and the race commision got involved

the black kid got expelled on advice from the race commision for being a racist, this was because the black kids argument was, "its ok for blacks to call each other *******, but not for a white person to call a black person a ******"

I think people are over sensitive on this subject.
but thats probably because i'm not a racist and have never been a victim of racist abuse (well i have but its all been a joke and i've never taken offence)

[ttw]

"I used to think it would be great if we could all be colorblind. That's naive, especially for a white person, because a white person can't afford to be colorblind. They don't have to think about race every day. An African American does."

interesting...

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by m.r.davies
there was a case in a school recently

the white kid had mostly black friends who called each of ******* all day long,
when the white kid called one of his friends a ni**er (all friendly), he got turned on
at first he didn't know what had happened then the parents, school and the race commision got involved

the black kid got expelled on advice from the race commision for being a racist, this was because the black kids argument was, "its ok for blacks to call each other *******, but not for a white person to call a black person a ******"

I think people are over sensitive on this subject.
but thats probably because i'm not a racist and have never been a victim of racist abuse (well i have but its all been a joke and i've never taken offence) That's extremely unfortunate and just plain wrong. If the black kids were so sensiteive then they should not have used the word in front of the white kid.

[Dr43%er]

It makes me laugh when some people say the "N" word is not offensive. In that case why not say "******" instead of "N word"????

[ttw]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
It makes me laugh when some people say the "N" word is not offensive. In that case why not say "******" instead of "N word"????

lol gd point

[Sticks]

Typing out the N word may be a violation of the TIBB hosting service, so please reframe from spelling it out, and like George Galloway, just refer to it as the N word

[bananarama]

Originally posted by Sticks
Funnily enough the following came as part of a newsletter sent to our church email account



The Power Of A Word
A careless word may
kindle strife; a cruel word may
wreck a life; a bitter word may
hate instill; a brutal word may
smite and kill; a gracious word
may smoothe the way; a joyous
word may light the way;
a timely word may heal and
bless. The power of the spoken
word cannot be calculated.
No wonder that our
Lord said, “Every idle word
that men shall speak, they
shall give account thereof in
the day of judgment. For by
thy words they shalt be justified,
and by thy words thy
shalt be condemned.”
Matthew 12:36-37
Unknown



And having to tread on eggs just makes one big mess...
Trying to please everone is a recipe for insanity..

Which is the perfect description for todays control freakism Britain......

[Dr43%er]

Sticks, I see your point, but for my point to work i had to say the full word. I could hardly say, In that case why not say "N word" instead of "N word"????

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
It makes me laugh when some people say the "N" word is not offensive. In that case why not say "******" instead of "N word"????

Because "you" can say the word within your posts, as the way have worded your post, explains "why".

It is like other offensive-to-some words, which can be said within a post from a certain-protected person also.

It depends on the surroundings in-general, who it is & where it is & so much more.

Also, how it is, "within-the-sentance"

________________________________________
I have something amazing to tell you & everyone else actually.

The "N" word which Emily said, got her thrown out of the BB house. After she said it, it was all over the news.

But then, Channel 4 & Endemol showed the complete & utter uncut footage, containing the (N) word, just as YOU have TYPED it into YOUR post, "oh-protected-one"

So, how can that happen?????

If the (Other-offensive-word) which YOU know-about, at the back of YOUR mind, is also offensive.(Relating here to Jade, Jo & Danielle+Jack.T) + Diary-Room warnings......

Then

The (N) word must be different?????

So, I say that a black person is no more important than an Indian person.

I also say that a Pakistani person is no more important than a Swedish person.

I say, we are all the same. Equal.....

But how can BB8 transmit that (N) word & YOU say, that the problems with this concern racism??

Please phone Ofcom & Channel 4 immediately Dr43%er.

Also

Please ask to speak to Andy Duncan, as he is happy to help any time.

Please phone ANYONE you like & please tell us what they say, as regards to displaying the totally uncut footage on Channel 4 for all of us to see.





nodisharmony :angel: