Sam Smith comes out as non-binary: 'I'm not male or female'

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Sam Smith has come out as non-binary saying he feels "like a woman sometimes" and has considered having a sex change.

He was speaking to actress Jameela Jamil about fame, body image and confidence.

"I've always had a little bit of a war going within my body and my mind," Sam said in the interview.

"I do think like a woman sometimes, in my head. Sometimes I've questioned 'Do I want a sex change?'

"It's something I still think about, like, 'Do I want to?'"

Many non-binary people don't identify as either male or female and use the pronouns they or them instead of he or she.

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Sam says listening to conversations about being non-binary made him realise that was how he identified.

"I'm not male or female, I think I flow somewhere in between. It's all on the spectrum," he says.

He added that he had always resented being "feminine in many ways" and describes being non-binary as being "your own special creation".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-47612616

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[Moniqua]

Kyra's mist

[Ashley.]

I do think like a woman sometimes

What does this mean? What does 'thinking like a woman' entail? I must question the hypocrisy of some of these people who long to be accepted but so happily feed into gender-based stereotypes.

[Liam-]

Sigh

[Denver]

Why is he still a thing

[Smithy]

I think he’s just a messy bottom that wants to be Beyoncé

[LaLaLand]

Pretty sure you've got a cock and balls Sam mate, could be wrong but?

[Jordan.]

I wish he was non-existent

[Alf]

So what?

Why do we need to know this?

[Alf]

I think Everton are the greatest football team.

People call me delusional for that.

[Marsh.]

Sam Smith has come out as non-binary saying he feels "like a woman sometimes" and has considered having a sex change.

But.... but.... that's the opposite of non-binary.

Non-binary identify as NEITHER and don't subscribe to male/female pronouns/sterotypes/expectations etc. He quite clearly states several time he feels like a woman/female???

[Marsh.]

I think he’s just a messy bottom that wants to be Beyoncé

I wish he was non-existent

:laugh2:

[Jessica.]

That sounds like being gender fluid, but whatever, I don't think this is news.

[arista]

Why is he still a thing


Because no one is buying his music.

[armand.kay]

good for him i guess? i mean, i don’t care...

[user104658]

But.... but.... that's the opposite of non-binary.

Non-binary identify as NEITHER and don't subscribe to male/female pronouns/sterotypes/expectations etc. He quite clearly states several time he feels like a woman/female???

To be fair he says he SOMETIMES feels like a woman and sometimes a man but in theory, flitting between the two would be very much "binary" :think:... Just both of the binary pair. He's gender-quantum? Hmmm.

To be fair I think it's a concept that hypermasculine blokes like me and you will never understand Marsh.

[Northern Monkey]

I never understand why everyone wants a label these days.He might just be a slightly feminine bloke.

[Amy Jade]

he's so annoying

[Niamh.]

What does this mean? What does 'thinking like a woman' entail? I must question the hypocrisy of some of these people who long to be accepted but so happily feed into gender-based stereotypes..

[smudgie]

:conf:
How exactly do you define how you feel like a woman?
Does he get PMT?
Surely we are all capable of feeling all sorts.:shrug:

Maybe he has a CD out shortly.:idc:

[Cherie]

:conf:
How exactly do you define how you feel like a woman?
Does he get PMT?
Surely we are all capable of feeling all sorts.:shrug:

Maybe he has a CD out shortly.:idc:

Indeed we are

It wasn't that long ago that all these artists were coming out as bi, that isn't nearly edgy enough now

[user104658]

:conf:
How exactly do you define how you feel like a woman?
Does he get PMT?
Surely we are all capable of feeling all sorts.:shrug:

Maybe he has a CD out shortly.:idc:

Well obviously yes but women are of course more irrational, and prone to bouts of hysteria.

[smudgie]

Well obviously yes but women are of course more irrational, and prone to bouts of hysteria.

Hmmm, that might be the male side of us.:joker:

[thesheriff443]

Well obviously yes but women are of course more irrational, and prone to bouts of hysteria.

You standing in for lt?, is he still an annual leave?

[Wizard.]

Sam Smith is the alien that abducted me. I saw his penina.

[Livia]

Mental illness is a terrible thing.

[Oliver_W]

So when's his next album out?

[Daniel.]

He’s a fookin man

[Elliot]

While I’m all for people rejecting gender stereotypes, god I don’t want Sam Smith to be the face of it. He’s so incredibly boring and out of touch, and so is his music. Next please!

[Livia]

While I’m all for people rejecting gender stereotypes, god I don’t want Sam Smith to be the face of it. He’s so incredibly boring and out of touch, and so is his music. Next please!

LOL.... I agree.

[Oliver_W]

I don't get why he has to claim a ridiculous identity like "non-binary" though, why not try just saying he's a dude that doesn't conform to gender stereotypes?

[Tom4784]

Everything he does is so insincere, I have no doubt that this is just a ploy for headlines and sales.

[Denver]

Who remembers when he made the ridiculous speech saying he was the only gay man to ever win a Oscar

[Twosugars]

I think he’s just a messy bottom that wants to be Beyoncé
something to watch out for if you obsessively stan a diva :hee:

[Tony Montana]

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[Mystic Mock]

I think Everton are the greatest football team.

People call me delusional for that.

Not as delusional as the team that I support.:joker:

No offence to anybody on here that might be gender binary, but I do think that Sam Smith is hijacking this cause to keep himself in the limelight because his Music isn't good enough to sell him imo.

[Tony Montana]

No offence to anybody on here that might be gender binary, but I do think that Sam Smith is hijacking this cause to keep himself in the limelight because his Music isn't good enough to sell him imo.

My thoughts too Mock! He's been irrelevant for quite some time now, and is just using this to stay in the press.

[TomC]

I am literally so pro-gender expression, but suddenly Sam Smith made me feel transphobic.

I'm hoping it's just bc it's him, bc I kinda understand what he's saying.

When he played at the Hydro in Glasgow (which is always lit in multicolour), he thanked them for lighting it in rainbow, thinking it was in honour of him and his sexuality :skull: He's just too much

[Moniqua]

if Normani approves, then so do I!!! :hugesmile:

[Matthew.]

Good for them :hugesmile:

[Oliver_W]

I am literally so pro-gender expression, but suddenly Sam Smith made me feel transphobic.
Don't let him colour your views of actual trans people!

[Marsh.]

To be fair he says he SOMETIMES feels like a woman and sometimes a man but in theory, flitting between the two would be very much "binary" :think:... Just both of the binary pair. He's gender-quantum? Hmmm.

To be fair I think it's a concept that hypermasculine blokes like me and you will never understand Marsh.

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[Ashley.]

While I’m all for people rejecting gender stereotypes, god I don’t want Sam Smith to be the face of it. He’s so incredibly boring and out of touch, and so is his music. Next please!

Rejecting gender stereotypes? I'm sorry, but I think he's doing the complete opposite.

[Alf]

My question to him would be.

How do you know that you feel like a woman? How do you know how a woman feels?

[Greg!]

He's so annoying

[Marsh.]

Depends.

Does he "feel" like a woman when he's doing the dishes and "feel" like a man when he's driving?

[Beso]

He takes it up the bum don't he?

[montblanc]

screaming at everyone in here dragging :skull::skull:

[Saph]

hew even cares.. ugly, **** voice and boring

[Glenn.]

He takes it up the bum don't he?

Yeah?

You should try it sometime :thumbs:

[Beso]

Yeah?

You should try it sometime :thumbs:

I have, it wasn't for me.

[Scarlett.]

The whole idea of 'feeling like a man/woman' thing seems to be a general mistake people make when talking about trans people, but the truth is, being trans is about wanting to feel more like ourselves. Be that male or female, most of us don't want attention, we don't want to be different, we just want to live our lives as who we truly are.

[armand.kay]

While I’m all for people rejecting gender stereotypes, god I don’t want Sam Smith to be the face of it. He’s so incredibly boring and out of touch, and so is his music. Next please!
basically this. I'm all for non-binary people but if he isn't doing this for press then he's very good at making it seem like he is.
if Normani approves, then so do I!!! :hugesmile:

sometimes our faves need guidance and thats ok

[Glenn.]

As far as I’m aware, he hasn’t got an album to promote so I fail to see why he would be doing it for press?

[Tony Montana]

As far as I’m aware, he hasn’t got an album to promote so I fail to see why he would be doing it for press?

I guess he’s just trying to stay relevant

[Glenn.]

I guess he’s just trying to stay relevant

After coming off a world tour, I’m sure he is

[chuff me dizzy]

By sounds of it he's a bloody idiot !!

[Tony Montana]

Sam Smith changes pronouns to they/them

Sam Smith has asked fans to use the pronouns "they/them", not "he/him", after coming out as non-binary.

The pop star wrote on Instagram: "After a lifetime of being at war with my gender I've decided to embrace myself for who I am, inside and out."

The singer added: "I've been very nervous about announcing this because I care too much about what people think."

Six months ago, Smith said they did not feel male or female, but "I flow somewhere in between".

On Friday, the 27-year-old said they had been "surrounded by people that support me in this decision".

They wrote: "I understand there will be many mistakes and mis-gendering but all I ask is you please please try. I hope you can see me like I see myself now. Thank you."

The singer went on to say: "I am at no stage just yet to eloquently speak at length about what it means to be non binary but I can't wait for the day that I am. So for now I just want to be VISIBLE and open."

At last week's GQ Men of the Year Awards, Smith walked the red carpet wearing high heels, posting: "I'd never ever ever be able to be myself like this in front of the industry or anyone."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49688123

[Saph]

theres something so annoying about him.. why does he always do the most

[Oliver_W]

Sam Smith changes pronouns to they/them



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-49688123

I swear he already did this?

[armand.kay]

basically this. I'm all for non-binary people but if he isn't doing this for press then he's very good at making it seem like he is.

Nnnn I feel like I only felt like this because I hate them

[Kazanne]

Sometimes ,I feel like a bloke !!:devil::evilgrin:

[Daniel.]

Personally i feel this is ridiculous

[Tom4784]

Good for them I guess but given their history, I can't help but think they're using it as a gimmick to stay relevant which is an aggravating thought since doing so undermines the struggle for so many people.

I'll believe people are entitled to their beliefs but I've never really believed non-binary to be a thing. It's just the desire to smash gender stereotypes and roles (which is a great thing) wrapped up in a pretentious package. Be androgynous as you like, wear what you want, reject what society expects of you, I'm all for that but I've always had a bit of an issue with treating non-binary as it's own gender because surely it's the opposite? It's not a gender, it's the pure rejection of gender as a concept.

[Marsh.]

Sometimes ,I feel like a bloke !!:devil::evilgrin:

Probs that tash.

You should bleach it!

[Saph]

I'll believe people are entitled to their beliefs but I've never really believed non-binary to be a thing. It's just the desire to smash gender stereotypes and roles (which is a great thing) wrapped up in a pretentious package. Be androgynous as you like, wear what you want, reject what society expects of you, I'm all for that but I've always had a bit of an issue with treating non-binary as it's own gender because surely it's the opposite? It's not a gender, it's the pure rejection of gender as a concept.

in a nutshell

I knew a biological girl at uni who identified as a boy, which was fine because they kinda looked like one anyway, but then decided to be genderless and would get pissed when people didnt say 'them' etc and would rant about the struggles of non-binery people and I just kinda lost interest and didnt bother with that person again.. I think they were just a very unhappy lost person

[Kizzy]

Omg Jamelas expression is class!! So you think like a woman do you?.... :joker: :joker:

[Ant.]

Probs that tash.

You should bleach it!

:laugh2:

[Kazanne]

Probs that tash.

You should bleach it!

:joker::joker:

[LaLaLand]

Okay this is getting ridiculous now.

BTW I identify as a toaster xox

[montblanc]

what’s the issue with people identifying as gender less? how does that effect YOU in any sort of way

[JerseyWins]

Yeah how does it effect YOU

I'm fine with anyone referring to themselves as aaaanything they want... they could come out wanting to be addressed only as King/Queen rather than he/she for all I care

[Oliver_W]

He can identify however he wants, it doesn't affect anyone but him by making him look silly.

Being trans is fine, but this nonbinary stuff is just nonsense.

[Matthew.]

I really don’t see the problem, like at all? Why are people so pressed about it when it literally doesn’t have an impact on you. Just let people identify with what they feel comfortable as smh.

I swear he already did this?

Can I ask why you felt the need to immediately misgender them? You don’t have to understand it, just respect it at least.

[Cherie]

My question is how would you know that they were non binary in order to address them in the correct way. Will they have to inform any new person they meet immediately, seems a whole load of hassle, personally doesn't bother me what people identify as but I can see issue with this of people being labelled bigots because there is no way of knowing the person is identifying as non binary unless its the first thing that comes out of their mouth when they meet you, obviously its okay for Sam Smith because he is relatively famous but what about poor Bloggs in the street

[GoldHeart]

I think it's a load of rubbish .
Sam Smith is male & he's been called HE & HIM all the time & all of a sudden he wants to feel special & wants a new label. I'm not calling him something different .

How exactly can you call an individual "they" & "them" :facepalm: , it's ridiculous you only say that if it's a group of people or something.

And I've noticed some of these "non binary" people pick & choose when to be offended.

Sam Smith can say he feels like a woman or is in touch with his feminine side etc ,but he is still a man .

If someone wants to identify as a table or bench ,what do we call them ?? :bored: .

[Glenn.]

You call them a table or a bench?

[Saph]

I feel like this is only annoying because its sam smith whos always been an attention seeker

the fact that he made this announcement on the same day everyone was talking about Jesy just makes me think its so intentional

[GoldHeart]

You call them a table or a bench?

:facepalm: Are you being serious?

People already get confused & misgender people.

Even unisex is getting mixed into this non binary silliness.

[GoldHeart]

I feel like this is only annoying because its sam smith whos always been an attention seeker

the fact that he made this announcement on the same day everyone was talking about Jesy just makes me think its so intentional

I think this "non binary" thing is a trending label for a lot of people and it's used for the sake of it , if you called them male or female they probably wouldn't even care until they decide to suddenly be offended to make a silly point :bored:

I think it's just confusing things further with the whole gender neutral & unisex thing getting mixed in . And people already get misgendered , so if they don't want to be identified as either then that just muddles it up even more

[Cherie]

My question is how would you know that they were non binary in order to address them in the correct way. Will they have to inform any new person they meet immediately, seems a whole load of hassle, personally doesn't bother me what people identify as but I can see issue with this of people being labelled bigots because there is no way of knowing the person is identifying as non binary unless its the first thing that comes out of their mouth when they meet you, obviously its okay for Sam Smith because he is relatively famous but what about poor Bloggs in the street

anyone got an answer to this?

[Jordan.]

anyone got an answer to this?

Pronoun badges are becoming more common

[user104658]

Meh. I think anyone has the right to be referred to however they want, in principle. I think they/them poses a slight problem because those pronouns already have a specific meaning for collective/plural... So also using it to refer to someone individually unnecessarily complicates things? In normal usage if you hear they/them you assume that multiple people are the subject of the statement :shrug:.

[GoldHeart]

anyone got an answer to this?

I'm not calling an individual "they" or "them" it sounds stupid . And I will continue to call Sam Smith HE & HIM .

I've heard people call non binary people "they " & "them" & it sounds like bad grammar or as if it's about a group of people as in plural .

[MB.]

The use of the singular 'they' dates back to 14th century English, but go off I guess

[GoldHeart]

The use of the singular 'they' dates back to 14th century English, but go off I guess

Pretty sure when people usually refer to "they" or "them" it's plural & it just complicates & confuses things if non binary people now want to be called that . But you go off I guess :sleep: .

[MB.]

Again, it's not a new thing

[GoldHeart]

Again, it's not a new thing

Language gets altered to fit with the times , but you can't now decide to use "they" & "them" in singular form when it's currently used as plural .But whatever :bored: .

When I use "they" & "them" I'm talking about a group of people or something.

[Cherie]

Yes ‘they’ or ‘them’ is a plural, minefield for anyone learning a language especially when you can’t identify by just looking at the person

There was a guy in Sunday politics today who referred to Sam Smith as a hero, then he backtracked to say well he couldn’t actually call them that because that inferred they were male, so even the woke people have issues with it :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

The use of the singular 'they' dates back to 14th century English, but go off I guess

Yes but that was as a nonspecific or general use, not as a personal pronoun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they#Older_usage

[Cherie]

Pronoun badges are becoming more common

Really? I travel into London a lot and never seen one of these, what does the badge say :shrug:

[Black Dagger]

Lmao this thread on just page 1 is a joke.

[GoldHeart]

Yes ‘they’ or ‘them’ is a plural, minefield for anyone learning a language especially when you can’t identify by just looking at the person

There was a guy in Sunday politics today who referred to Sam Smith as a hero, then he backtracked to say well he couldn’t actually call them that because that inferred they were male, so even the woke people have issues with it :laugh:

You could also argue that the word "Hero" get's thrown around , when the original meaning of the word was someone who's done something outstanding ,brave and usually risked their life for others in a selfless way.

Then with the whole sexism thing, people tried to call Female role models "heroine" ,but i don't think we always need to be soo specific about male & female pronouns when it comes to that as a female can still be called a hero i would say .

So i just think of Sam smith as an attention seeker who's clinging to another label :bored: .